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Forum => Pe loc repaus! (As you were!) => Topic started by: zimbris on April 13, 2011, 11:04:28 AM
Title: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on April 13, 2011, 11:04:28 AM
Presimt ca asta va fi un topic "fierbinte", pe masura ce vor trece anii si vom fi martori cine stie caror schimbari in evolutia (sau involutia) rasei si ma gandesc exclusiv la liniile de lucru, cand spun asta. M-am uitat prin poze cu caini mai vechi si nu am gasit multi care sa arate cam cum aratau cainii la care ma gandesc personal, cand spun "caini din garda veche". Un caine cu acel aspect (spate drept, forme ceva mai "drepte" per ansamblu) ar fi Ex Riedstern.
I get a feeling this will turn out to be one "hot" topic in the coming years, as we will witness the progresses or regresses of the GSD breed (and I am exclusively thinking of working lines when I say that). Just been looking through some pictures of old DDR dogs and not many actually look like what i would call "old school" (straight back, actually straighter lines in general) dogs, the type of dog I used to see in the 80's and 90's.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Zak on April 15, 2011, 09:35:56 AM
Why did we ever change something that was never brocken.
You can't find many dogs like these anymore especially in the UK :cry:
De ce am schimbat ceva ce n-a fost niciodata stricat. Nu se mai gasesc prea multi caini precum acestia, mai ales in UK :cry:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: RogerW on April 15, 2011, 02:07:00 PM
I can't tell you how many people (not even GSD people) have commented on how straight Goku's back is (all of my GSDs) and how that is the main thing they like to see....and the main thing they hate to see in either roach backed W. German working lines, or the totally ruined look of American show lines.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on April 15, 2011, 05:12:43 PM
Well that is also beginning to take place here, more and more people are starting to pay more attention to the GS dogs that look like... dogs, not.. something else (I am just being sensitive of those who may visit our forum)
I will bring new material in this topic on regular basis. Watch out for some really good looking dogs, in the coming months!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on April 16, 2011, 10:29:43 PM
scoala veche - cat cuprinde
here we go, old school all the way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV5GE54Hzx0
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on April 16, 2011, 11:46:44 PM
Unde sunt cainii astia?
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: kangdanlin on April 17, 2011, 01:37:43 AM
ce tare arata cainele ala cand latra spre camera :devil: super clipul, mersi Dani
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on April 17, 2011, 08:23:19 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on May 03, 2011, 10:50:33 AM
Poate pui si o filmare cu el :cheesy:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on May 03, 2011, 11:18:38 AM
toate la timpul lor
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on May 03, 2011, 12:08:54 PM
stiu ca l-am mai postat si pe asta pe undeva prin forum, cainele din clip este un alt exemplar tipic "scoala veche". Filmarea era destul de degradata cand am pus mana pe ea acum cativa ani si n-am mai putut salva sunetul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieUJknb-eC0
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on May 03, 2011, 12:11:56 PM
Ce tare. L-am vazut pe you tube parca. Ce osatura avea :bravo:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on May 03, 2011, 12:20:39 PM
uite frate oase aici in poza asta. retine ca cel din imagine (un prieten de-al lui Dux) are cam 1.90 inaltime. poza e facuta in portul Constanta cu ceva ani buni in urma.
astea toate-s din "manualul" ala micutz din anii 80 :)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on June 01, 2011, 09:06:02 AM
Da, le scanasem mai demult si le-am uitat intr-un folder.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 01, 2011, 09:08:12 AM
se vede dupa coperta ca are ceva ani si uz in spate ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on June 01, 2011, 09:11:21 AM
Coperta e in stare foarte proasta si-mi pare tare rau, cainele de pe ea este frumos, gen Uzi/Uncas.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 01, 2011, 09:12:09 AM
da, frumos
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 01, 2011, 11:04:50 PM
hai sa va arat ceva
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5k5YL7nn6Y
ce ziceti de cadrul ala apropiat cu capul ala super frumos.. seamana cu Don R, in opinia mea
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on June 01, 2011, 11:17:07 PM
Super!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 01, 2011, 11:54:41 PM
Ce frumos, ce caini tari. :ok:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on June 02, 2011, 12:08:01 AM
am avut acum vreo 12 ani un caine dinasta :CG: din linie de lucru! il primise tatal meu de la un prieten de la securitate! era negru complet si avea labele maro, se numea „As”.. stiu ca l-a dat taicamiu la un tip care dupa un timp a avut un accident, a cazut de pe o hala, a murit, iar apoi a murit si catelu` :cry: :cry: :cry:.. avea 1 an si 3 luni :cry: :cry: :cry:
am mai vazut un caine dinasta la fel ca in fotografiile astea, dar arata destul de batran, e mascul e la o firma de constructii il folosesc pentru paza! poate reusesc sa vorbesc cu cineva de acolo sa-i fac niste poze sa-l vedeti
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 02:24:04 AM
am mai vazut un caine dinasta la fel ca in fotografiile astea, dar arata destul de batran, e mascul e la o firma de constructii il folosesc pentru paza! poate reusesc sa vorbesc cu cineva de acolo sa-i fac niste poze sa-l vedeti
m-as bucura daca ai face asta, eu am cainii astia la inima..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on June 02, 2011, 03:11:22 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on June 02, 2011, 04:24:07 AM
Superbi!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 02, 2011, 05:41:24 AM
Si cand ma gandesc ce caini am avut si in tecuci. Au fost caini tari de tot,pacat ca nu mai sunt acum. :cry: Hai sa-l pun si pe el la scoala veche. (http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z461/sorinlupu1/img1.jpg)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on June 02, 2011, 06:07:05 AM
Bruno Old School
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: kangdanlin on June 02, 2011, 06:13:02 AM
ce tare-i fetita din ultimul clip :) :rockon: notworthy
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on June 02, 2011, 06:18:05 AM
super tare fetita! si ce ascultator este :CG:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 10:26:55 AM
ce tare-i fetita din ultimul clip :) :rockon: notworthy
:rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 10:47:29 AM
astia-s cainii care imi plac, unul si unul! :rockon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zojC4JtE8x4
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 10:57:04 AM
primul caine si cel de la minutul 3.00 imi plac cel mai mult. O parte din ei se vede ca nu sunt lucrati, cel mai probabil au pus si ei gura pe un manson o data sau de 2 ori..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 02, 2011, 11:06:16 AM
Ce puternici sunt pe fizic. Toti sunt beton. :cheesy:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 11:14:36 AM
astia-s cainii care imi plac, unul si unul! :rockon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zojC4JtE8x4
Extraordinari caini.Bravo celor care au reusit sa mentina acest tip de caine.De neegalat.In Europa de Vest nu gasesti asa ceva.Este o crima ceea ce a putut sa faca S.V.-ul din rasa asta.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 12:17:28 PM
cand vezi asa ceva nu prea-ti mai vine sa te uiti la cocosati
ce cocosati, frate.. cand vad asa ceva nu-mi mai vine sa ma uit nici la dinozauri... deci m-am imbolnavit.. cume e vorba aia, mai bine fug in padure :wall: :manga:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 02, 2011, 12:33:28 PM
Deja m-ai bagat rau in priza, adevaraciune frate...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 02, 2011, 12:57:31 PM
Nici un caine matur nu are osatura piticului.Nu am vazut asemenea osatura. Asta la maturitate nici nu vreau sa ma gandesc cum o sa fie pe fizic :gunner:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 01:31:42 PM
hai daca tot m-am imbolnavit, sa o tin asa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YMQ5I3DGLc
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 02, 2011, 01:36:31 PM
Sa-mi comand o pizza ca am de vizionat. :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 01:42:51 PM
Sa-mi comand o pizza ca am de vizionat. :grin: :grin:
ma urmaresti cumva? :grin: asta ma pregateam si eu sa fac :lol: pizza cu extra mozzarella si picanta sa fie frate! pazea ca o sa mai bag niste marfa ;) :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 02, 2011, 01:44:04 PM
Pizza e preferata mea.Las totul pentru ea :cheesy:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 01:48:19 PM
re-vizioneaza clipul de mai sus, l-am modificat ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 01:49:04 PM
da-i refresh, browserul incearca sa-l vada din cache dar eu am inlocuit clipul cu unul mai lung. in cateva minute imi vine si pizza... uite unul mai micutz :lol:
Presimt ca asta va fi un topic "fierbinte", pe masura ce vor trece anii si vom fi martori cine stie caror schimbari in evolutia (sau involutia) rasei si ma gandesc exclusiv la liniile de lucru, cand spun asta. M-am uitat prin poze cu caini mai vechi si nu am gasit multi care sa arate cam cum aratau cainii la care ma gandesc personal, cand spun "caini din garda veche".
cainii astia postati recent aici sunt caini neatinsi de elementul "modern" vazut in lumea CG-ului zilele astea. Spatele drept, ceva mai putina prada, instinct de lupta in viteza a 5a etc..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 02, 2011, 02:07:51 PM
Sunt niste matahale, mie mi-a venit pizza. Da merge :grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 02, 2011, 02:10:14 PM
Da ,se vede ca nu au nici o treaba cu liniile moderne, nici steve nu are instinct de prada,chiar deloc.Sunt caini foarte tari, mie unul asa imi place sa arate CG".Sincer am tot vazut Cg tari ,dar ca astia sa arate asa nu prea vezi in zilele noastre.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 02:15:59 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 02, 2011, 09:31:36 PM
inca un colaj video. de notat este cum patrupezii nu au explozia in atac, cu care ne-am obisnuit prin prisma competitiilor IPO, Sch etc, cainii din clip fiind masivi si mai grei. In plus (si ma repet afirmand asta) se vede ca o parte din ei (daca nu majoritatea) nu sunt lucrati.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDBaq_jSP1A
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 03, 2011, 12:04:06 AM
Sunt smecheri ce sa mai, nu am cuvinte sa-i mai descriu.Pentru mine e cainele ideal,cel putin pe fizic m-au terminat. ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 01:11:28 AM
hai sa continuam "filmul".. inca un clip - cu ani in urma gaseai asa ceva la Ciorani, Dux si tessa plang dupa ei.. in clipul de jos e vb de un singur caine, concurand in cadrul a 2 competitii de ring rusesc. Se pare ca pe rusi i-a durut undeva de aspectul hartiilor aprobate de x sau y - bravo lor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc89UGSEzTA
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 01:21:02 AM
acelasi caine din clipul de mai sus; infractorul marcat il calca pe picior, da drumul si revine pe costum :rockon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGl5tohFU2o
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 01:31:07 AM
sa continuam..
cativa din caini ii puteti recunoaste din clipurile anterioare. Imi place sa recunosc tipul "vechi" de caine in clipurile astea, caini puternici pe constructie, calmi in temperament (fara drive cu tonele) si cu determinare in ciuda greutatii reusesc sa ramana pe costum iar atentatorii nu semisca in stil BSZS, dupa cum se vede.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imLxB-iqMV8
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on June 03, 2011, 01:33:46 AM
Dani these are some fantastic clips that you posted, especially the classic Russian footage those dogs are vocally tough and look even tougher visually.. Now thats my idea of "Real dogs" i personally like the one on the 1:42 min mark.. Dobry Ciobannesc..!!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 01:34:47 AM
tessa, Santos, dux - daca n-am reusit sa va imbolnavesc cu clipurile astea, ma las de meserie :drink:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 01:36:23 AM
Dani these are some fantastic clips that you posted, especially the classic Russian footage those dogs are vocally tough and look even tougher visually.. Now thats my idea of "Real dogs" i personally like the one on the 1:42 min mark.. Dobry Ciobannesc..!!
yeah man!! Totally! THIS is what I like to call a REAL GSD, no second thoughts about it! That "yellow" dog you saw in those two clips plus the "yellow" one in this last clip.. man, they are fantastic!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 02:21:28 AM
acelasi caine prezentat ceva mai des in clipuri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkE_-migZw4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unikg4HmvFo
si inca 2 caini, posibil ca cel "galben" sa fie tot cel din clipurile anterioare..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHGbQj4yZVk
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 02:24:49 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: dux on June 03, 2011, 02:57:54 AM
Sunt foarte bucuros ca observ ca rusii au o miscare foarte activa in promovarea ciobanescului german vechi.bravo lor.chiar incep sa-i simpatizez pentru asta :devil:.La un moment dat incepusem sa ma resemnez si sa cred ca acest tip de caine nu mai poate fi reprodus deoarece s-a ,,stins'' definitiv.Ciobanestii germani de lucru din liniile moderne sunt cu totul altceva.Eu imi doresc cainele vechi.Si noi in Romania trebuie sa dezvoltam o miscare de promovare a acestui tip de caine.Bine ca exista ,inca, genitori care pot fi valorificati in reproductie.Sanatosi sa fim.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 03:02:32 AM
Si noi in Romania trebuie sa dezvoltam o miscare de promovare a acestui tip de caine.Bine ca exista ,inca, genitori care pot fi valorificati in reproductie.Sanatosi sa fim.
Da.. uite ca nu suntem singurii "extremisti" (cum ne numesc anumiti amici) mai sunt ca noi pe la rusi.. Eu sunt incurajat tare de ceea ce au facut rusii, s-au uitat la caine, nu la hartii, a nu se intelege ca nu isi au rolul lor, eu ma refer la faptul ca daca FCI-ul (de ex) nu a primit cainii astia, asta nu i-a oprit pe uni sa foloseasca acesti caini in programe de crestere. Ca si tine, incepusem sa gandesc "asta este.. lucram cu ce a mai ramas.." dar uite ca a iesit soarele mai mult decat am crezut.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 03:43:36 AM
Din pacate cainele "galben" din cele cateva clipuri in care i-am facut "reclama", a murit in Octombrie anul trecut... :cry:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on June 03, 2011, 03:50:27 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 05:37:23 AM
din niste no-names, nu stiu parintii dupa nume. Am postat si eu ce-am primit "cu galeata".... Ti-au placut cainii din clipuri..? :cool: Din pacate si pe aia ii cam numeri pe degete.. sper ca cei care ii au sa foloseasca in continuare sangele..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: tessa on June 03, 2011, 12:50:51 PM
Esti purtatorul unui virus periculos, recunosc ca sunt contaminat si n-am antidot
Da, nici eu nu stiu ce sa mai iau. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 01:03:32 PM
bun atunci. mission accomplished :cool: mai ramane sa trecem la fapte! :ihi:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on June 03, 2011, 11:15:12 PM
These tough dogs dont resemble anything of typical DDR type in looks, besides the very well known Ex v Riedstern; but do have the attitude of what DDR type dogs were initially bred for; Strength hardness and courage..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 03, 2011, 11:46:04 PM
These tough dogs dont resemble anything of typical DDR type in looks, besides the very well known Ex v Riedstern; but do have the attitude of what DDR type dogs were initially bred for; Strength hardness and courage..
yes you are right, they have straight backs as opposed to the DDR type and that's not the only difference in build. Temperament wise they are very much alike, calm when in "passive mode" but with a very good "mood switch", very civil dogs. NOTHING like the West dogs though, where we're talking smaller size and loads and loads of drive. One would need to know the history of these dogs in order to better understand the differences between the types.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 09, 2011, 03:08:20 AM
am mai facut un clipulet..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbrM5CUOeL0
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 09, 2011, 03:11:20 AM
Ce tare l-ai facut.Sunt caini de la ciorani?
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 09, 2011, 03:14:04 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on June 09, 2011, 03:21:46 AM
Love the video clip Dani, nice you added a bit of effect to it. Thought you would of used a new music track, as its the same as the other DDR clip you have uploaded.. The first Male has nice proportions..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 09, 2011, 03:25:24 AM
Si mie imi place mult primul caine!
And I like the first dog!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 09, 2011, 03:28:25 AM
Love the video clip Dani, nice you added a bit of effect to it. Thought you would of used a new music track, as its the same as the other DDR clip you have uploaded.. The first Male has nice proportions..
oops.. what other clip? did I use the same footage, twice?
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on June 09, 2011, 03:35:13 AM
The music is the same as the video you uploaded, i believe its the clip on your or johnsDDR upload on you tube..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 09, 2011, 03:41:18 AM
The music is the same as the video you uploaded, i believe its the clip on your or johnsDDR upload on you tube..
nope, I used different soundtracks, it's probably the drums that make you think it's one and the same ;)
Just to say, some of the dogs in the video have the same bloodlines as Goku's sire.
O parte din cainii din clip, au aceiasu tramosi ca si tatal lui Goku.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on June 09, 2011, 03:55:52 AM
I thought so they would be from the same era, be interesting to see if these genetics come through and passed onto Goku.. Be interesting to hear what Roger has to say of young Goku, in terms of suspicious awareness towards strangers..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 09, 2011, 04:01:41 AM
I am sure Goku has in him a share of that, he had his "moments" when he was here with me, twice at night while the other pups were playing, he was somewhat more alert and came towards the fence barking with low pitch voice and tail up. I wish I kept quiet and just enjoy the sight, but as I praised him saying "bravo" he was distracted actually, and came to me in a play mood, his body language switched from "defense" to "play" in an instant - my mistake, I should have kept quiet. Late Dino was more relaxed, not as alert, but he was bossing everyone else around. I am looking forward to seeing the first videos of Goku in protection work.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 09, 2011, 04:14:19 AM
Let me unpack that for you: There was the school from Ciorani (pictures below) where they had all these great dogs brought in the country from our neighboring / former Communist countries (but the dogs were brought in during the Communist times, not after) such as (former) Czechoslovakia, DDR or even Russia. The dogs were trained there, to some extent bred and many of them were seconded to various Militia / Military units around the country. We're talking old school here, straight back, big chest (look at all the dogs in the video) low to medium drive (loads in some cases) not necessarily tall but strong type. Self confidence was big plus, as most modern GS dogs lack that.
Ciorani photos (Dux is featured in most of these images, as well as a close friend of his, Catalin Cornea)
Ca sa intelegi mai bine - a existat scoala de la Ciorani, unde rau adusi caini din fostele tari comuniste (dar inca sub Comunism in perioadele in care erau adusi cainii) cum ar fi fosta Cehoslovacie, RDG sau chiar Rusia. La centrul de la Ciorani se pregateau caini care ulterior erau trimisi la diferite puncte militienesti sau militare, din tara. Vorbim de caini din garda veche, spate drept, cutie toracica mare, drive de la putin spre mediu (mult in unele cazuri) nu neaparat inalti dar grosi, puternici, increzatori in fortele propri, lucru care cam lipseste la CG-ul mai modern. In pozele de mai jos il poti vedea pe Dux si pe un bun prieten al lui, Catalin Cornea.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: RogerW on June 09, 2011, 05:11:25 AM
Goku is territorial, suspicious but not in a scared way. I have a feeling he will be a very strong dog. He just needs socialization ....not people hugging on him, but just seeing that people are many and varied.
These are great pics of the type dogs I want. Oh yea, I have one!! :)
Goku e teritorial, suspicios dar nu din teama. Cred ca va fi un caine foarte puternic. Are doar nevoie de socializare... nu sa fie mangaiat de oameni, dar sa fie in preajma lor, sa vada ca sunt multi si diferiti. Astea sunt poze faine cu tipul de caine pe care mi-l doresc. Ah da, am deja unul! :)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 09, 2011, 05:14:48 AM
I like that description you presented, all these things will be "topped" when he reaches 3 years of age, maybe even 4..
Imi place ce citesc despre Goku, toate detaliile astea se vor "coace" pe la varsta de 3 ani, chiar 4
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 09, 2011, 05:23:42 AM
Catalin cornea cu Dixy! Ce caini tari mai erau in perioada aia!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 09, 2011, 05:24:19 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on June 10, 2011, 12:17:18 AM
Cool old school pics with Dux, some nearly 2 decades ago i believe..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: kangdanlin on June 10, 2011, 04:54:07 AM
da ce salopete auuuu :grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on June 10, 2011, 05:04:35 AM
:)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 11, 2011, 10:15:29 AM
asta l-am postat la "cg in slujba legii" dar merge postat si aici (caini cu spatele drept ;)) Se vorbeste despre un curs pt handleri si caini, care dureaza 17 saptamani, in Lenggries, Germania.
@kangdanlin - la minutul 9.50 - o sugestie f practica pt cusca
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bblurcxxal4
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 13, 2011, 07:01:06 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: tessa on June 13, 2011, 07:09:47 AM
este d-nul Nero un mascul de 2 ani ce provine din parinti din garda veche. La varsta de 6 luni a fost la scoala mea de dresaj si a fost un elev de nota 10. Acum e din nou la mine deoarece l-am achizitionat.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on June 13, 2011, 07:10:26 AM
este d-nul Nero un mascul de 2 ani ce provine din parinti din garda veche. La varsta de 6 luni a fost la scoala mea de dresaj si a fost un elev de nota 10.
lasa ca mi-l descrii mai in detaliu, in curand.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on June 13, 2011, 07:15:42 AM
Ce frumos e! :bighug:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: RogerW on June 13, 2011, 07:21:00 AM
NICE DOG!!!!!!! :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 13, 2011, 10:24:39 AM
Daa, e barbat bine golanu"! ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 13, 2011, 01:04:13 PM
Tessa poate ni-l prezinti si noua mai bine cu o filmare pe nero". :)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on June 18, 2011, 04:41:26 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on July 14, 2011, 06:42:55 AM
:grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: tessa on July 14, 2011, 01:04:40 PM
pe ici pe colo mai gasesti cate un exemplar din garda veche cu calitati de caine...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on July 14, 2011, 01:11:53 PM
Asta e nero?, Ce frumos e!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: tessa on July 14, 2011, 01:19:14 PM
arata cam naspa ca-si schimba parul , dar se face frumos in toamna, bun catel sincer
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on July 14, 2011, 01:25:22 PM
Acum in perioada asta toti arata asa cu schimbatul parului, si steve are niste picioroange lungi acum. :grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on July 14, 2011, 04:24:22 PM
Puternic caine, Nero. E chiar frumos, imi place.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on July 14, 2011, 09:12:38 PM
Plenty of mass on the B&T male, reminds me of my first dog 'Rommel' back in the early 80's.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on July 17, 2011, 05:42:55 AM
el este Lord; dupa ce am prins virusul pt CG, prin partile moldovenesti de tzara, venit inapoi acasa la CT l-am "descoperit" pe Lord si auomat m-am agatat de proprietar si-l bateam la cap sa imi dea un pui dupa ce Lord era montat. Cateaua nu ramasese gestanta si ca sa nu ma dezamageasca m-a dus la o cunostinta de-a lui, politist la sectia de pol. din Palazu Mare... si asa m-am ales cu Ben. Lord era un CG de statura medie, cu o constitutie fizica atletica si robusta, un caine plin de viata. Lord avea 2 luni in poza, e facuta la sfarsitul anilor '80.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on August 12, 2011, 04:38:41 AM
chiar ca are moaca de old school, daca era poza si alb negru, aducea mult a poza din cartile de dresaj, vechi :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on August 12, 2011, 01:48:19 PM
Daa frumos exemplar, imi place mult tipul asta de caine. ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on August 13, 2011, 03:47:20 AM
Frumos!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on August 18, 2011, 12:02:47 AM
acesta este Nero, :CG: din linie veche in varsta de 1 an si 9 luni apartine unui coleg de munca de-al meu! el spune ca nu are timp de forumuri, iar eu m-am gandit sa vi-l arat (pozele sunt facute cu telefonul.. oricat m-as tine de capul lui sa faca poze tot nu face :))
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on August 18, 2011, 12:03:26 AM
Mama lui este la culoare ca si Bruno si tatal lui est negru cu labe maro (black n tan)!
pict.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on August 18, 2011, 12:22:44 AM
multumim pt efort, personal eu intotdeauna ma bucur sa vad caini "no paper", astia vor avea mereu un loc aparte in aorta mea.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on August 18, 2011, 12:30:37 AM
pacat ca, copilu` asta mic nu stie sa faca poze :) are 18 ani! :) cand am auzit ca are „caine lup negru” l-am batut la cap 3 luni sa faca niste poze tazi
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on August 18, 2011, 12:43:30 AM
abea astept! aaa si mai am un prieten care are un CG tot din linie veche.. are 82 kg!
inseamna ca e gras.. pt un CG, e pur si simplu f mult.. ori e gras, ori e metis
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on August 18, 2011, 01:54:23 AM
este :CG:, dar este fff gras! este enorm de mare.. are si o punga de ceva... la piciorul dreapta fata! i se tot umfla si il opereaza.. i-am spus tipului ca il ajut sa-l fugarim pe catel sa slabeasca si sa-i reduca cantitatea de mancare! cand l-am intrebat ce ii da la catel sa manance a spus ca numai mancare de la restaurant de unde e fratele lui bucatar :(. DECI :( e clar de ce e gras - sta la apartament si probabil nu face aproape deloc miscare
are 5 ani, este un exemplar superb! cu prima ocazie am sa-i fac fotografii sa-l vezi!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on August 18, 2011, 03:03:33 AM
are 5 ani, este un exemplar superb! cu prima ocazie am sa-i fac fotografii sa-l vezi!
chiar sunt curios...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on August 18, 2011, 03:18:26 AM
Si pe temperament cum este nero, noi promovam cainii vechi ,dar cei cu calitati adevarate de caine, am in tecuci multi tare din linie veche ,dar nici unul nu prea mai este pe placul meu, gasesti foarte multi caini din scoala veche ,dar prea putini buni pe caracter. ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on August 18, 2011, 03:30:56 AM
pai e aproape normal ca si din randul lor sa fie mai putini de calitate, pt ca proprietarii nu sunt oameni informati sa stie ce si cum.. ce mai, trebuie cautati mult si bine cainii buni
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on August 18, 2011, 03:31:53 AM
stiu ca musca daca intri in curte si ca este prietenos cu copiii! :huh: in rest.... nu l-am vazut live, doar in poze
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: kangdanlin on September 10, 2011, 04:17:04 AM
cainele asta pare a fi un caine tipic old school ca si aspect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV8f90hutG8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on September 10, 2011, 05:51:33 AM
Frumos cainele, ce bine executa comenzile.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on September 10, 2011, 06:08:40 AM
cainele asta pare a fi un caine tipic old school ca si aspect
da, mai ales spre final unde merge liber
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on October 04, 2011, 06:28:49 AM
Un exemplar la 6 luni care mi-a placut foate mult, are un cap imens, cred ca o sa se faca un caine dominant la maturitate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sOAmpFYqZk
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 07:08:05 AM
frumos caine, dupa cum arata e tanar
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on October 04, 2011, 08:09:49 AM
Are 6 luni dupa spusele proprietarului, ce mi-a placut la el cand s-a vazut cu steve pentru prima data nu a dat inapoi , cauta scandal cu el.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 08:11:13 AM
daca e in vecinatatea ta, incearca si afla ceva detalii despre el, parintii ar fi o chestie tare...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on October 04, 2011, 08:14:50 AM
Am vorbit cu el , la luat din cainii batrani de la jandarmerie.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 08:28:37 AM
ok, multam ca te-ai interesat
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: fabius.m on October 15, 2011, 03:22:29 PM
tare de tot catelu asta..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on October 24, 2011, 03:22:48 PM
:rockon:
am ales topicul asta pt a posta colajul asta video datorita prezentei unor CG "vechi" dar si a mentalitatii "vechi" practicate de gardienii din imagini (spre deosebire de viatza "frumoasa" de care au parte detinutii in State, daca judecam lucrurile dupa ce vedem pe la tv)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhuhPx54ID4
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on October 25, 2011, 03:39:17 AM
Am mutat discutiile despre Caucazieni aici (http://canisa-zimbris.com/forum/index.php?topic=375.msg20790#msg20790), ca topicul acesta sa ramana dedicat CG-ului oldschool.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on October 25, 2011, 07:35:01 AM
am incarcat pe net doc'ul in intregime, pt cei care doresc sa-l urmareasca in intregime
http://vimeo.com/31022836
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on October 25, 2011, 09:38:50 AM
Interesant, l-am urmarit in totalitate. Multam.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on October 25, 2011, 09:56:27 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on October 29, 2011, 03:00:51 AM
De data asta am fost ceva mai patriot, cand am facut clipul asta. Tineti-va bine ca in viitor vom mai posta clipuri cu caini "vechi". Cine iubeste cainii "trecutului" va avea o surpriza placuta. Blestem de catanie - melodia din fundal, 100% romanesc :rockon: Voi incerca sa prind secvente video de la antrenamente cu cainele mai negru din clip, este un caine extraordinar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqu5cofvu44
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 29, 2011, 05:09:25 PM
Dani some really genuine rare 'old school' dogs which i always look forward to when you post.. Keep em coming, maybe some with the guys getting some hard hits on the back of the shoulder blade.... They all look massive and strong at the hips, especially the Bi Colour looks awesome.. :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on October 29, 2011, 09:06:14 PM
Dani some really genuine rare 'old school' dogs which i always look forward to when you post.. Keep em coming, maybe some with the guys getting some hard hits on the back of the shoulder blade.... They all look massive and strong at the hips, especially the Bi Colour looks awesome.. :rockon:
Well there will be more coming, to me, these are pure golden vintage shots... That is the type of dog I was wishing to see around again. Old school all the way!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on October 30, 2011, 11:24:33 AM
Super misto clipul.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on November 07, 2011, 06:26:27 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Santos on November 07, 2011, 11:48:50 AM
ma refeream la aspect ca imi plac Erau si inainte caini frumosi dar se punea mai mult accent pe temperament se preferau cainii mai duri Acum se prefera cainii de sport mai subtiri si cu mult instinct de prada Eu nu prefer cainii de sport ci caini de paza reala In programul meu de reproductie voi promova cainii solizi si cu aptitudini de paza
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on November 07, 2011, 12:11:33 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on November 07, 2011, 12:23:09 PM
Daa face, cand trebuie sa muste se ascunde dupa picioarele stapanului, pe multi ii aud ca le place cainii astia moderni,dar lor le place mai mult frumusetea nu abilitatile lor de lucru, de asta s+a ajuns si in randul liniilor de lucru ca multi sa ffie niste javre.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on November 07, 2011, 12:27:58 PM
si in randul liniilor de lucru ca multi sa ffie niste javre.
Haide totusi sa nu folosim astfel de expresii in forum.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on November 07, 2011, 12:29:21 PM
Pai c+am asta e realitatea, de ce sa nu spunem lucrurilor pe nume!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on November 07, 2011, 12:30:25 PM
@ Sorin : Iti inteleg oarecum aversiunea fata de cainii de acest fel, dar in acelasi timp doresc sa se inteleaga ca aici este totusi un forum si ar fi bine sa avem un scris si un limbaj ceva mai civilizat/respectuos. La urma urmei, cainii nu au gresit cu nimic, nu este vina lor.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on November 07, 2011, 12:31:51 PM
eh.. in clipul respectiv nu se vede "crema" vremurilor respective, deci nu trebuie sa tragem linie doar in baza unui clip. Eu vorbesc pt ca am calatorit si am vazut cu ochii mei caini "renumiti"; TOT cainii din scoala veche (aka cainele lui Ion si gigel din curte) m-au impresionat mai mult decat ce-am vazut in Europa, la canise recunoscute.
later edit - plus Enno al lui John :rockon: si din nou il mentionez pe Figo, pe care sper sa-l filmez in cateva saptamani.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on November 07, 2011, 12:33:23 PM
@ Sorin : Iti inteleg oarecum aversiunea fata de cainii de acest fel, dar in acelasi timp doresc sa se inteleaga ca aici este totusi un forum si ar fi bine sa avem un scris si un limbaj ceva mai civilizat/respectuos. La urma urmei, cainii nu au gresit cu nimic, nu este vina lor.
Nu ai inteles ce am vrut sa spun.! M+am referit exact ce a scris zimbris mai sus.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on November 07, 2011, 12:35:23 PM
Nu ai inteles ce am vrut sa spun.! M+am referit exact ce a scris zimbris mai sus.
Iar tu nu ai inteles ca aici este un forum si putem spune lucrurilor pe nume fara totusi sa folosim cuvinte jignitoare. :grin: Indiferent cum sunt cainii acum si cum au fost pe vremuri, formulari de genul "sunt niste javre" nu sunt de dorit. Asta am vrut sa subliniez. :)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on November 07, 2011, 12:37:49 PM
Am inteles! Dar pentru mine astea sunt. ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on November 07, 2011, 12:40:00 PM
Poate si pentru altii prezenti aici asta sunt, dar consider in continuare ca ne putem exprima mai frumos si sa spunem pe nume lucrurilor in acelasi timp. ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on November 07, 2011, 12:43:20 PM
off topic: Tharei ii plac mitralierele si Tequila redjump :hello:
:grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: fabius.m on November 07, 2011, 03:02:41 PM
N-am inteles nimic! :laugh: Ce caini va plac dom-le cei old school sau cei d-acum? lasa-ti show-ul ca topicu e despre altceva.. mie cainii de show nu-mi plac la aspect PUNCT
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on November 07, 2011, 10:48:32 PM
Damn! mai bine mergeam tot undercover.. ma gandeam ca's singuru mai cu motz d-aici :lol:
:grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Santos on November 08, 2011, 08:32:11 AM
aici vorbeam despre cg de lucru si am spus ca imi plac cei de acum cum arata dar cei vechi unii dintre eii erau mai duri Mai sunt exemplare si acum foarte bune pentru paza dar mai putine Daca se face o selectie riguroasa se pot obtine exemplare si frumoase si bune in caracter
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on November 08, 2011, 09:50:23 AM
Mai sunt exemplare si acum foarte bune pentru paza dar mai putine Daca se face o selectie riguroasa se pot obtine exemplare si frumoase si bune in caracter
;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Santos on November 08, 2011, 10:57:40 AM
tipul de caine care este acum este rezultatul selectiei cainelui de sport si cainelui de detectie Vorbesc de cainii de lucru
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: fabius.m on November 08, 2011, 12:29:13 PM
Mie imi place cainele de paza, sigur pe el, sa nu dea inapoi, indiferent daca eu sunt acolo sau nu.. asa multi caini sunt tari in gura poate ca si musca bine cand te au pe tine in spate.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on November 10, 2011, 06:56:59 AM
Mie imi place cainele de paza, sigur pe el, sa nu dea inapoi, indiferent daca eu sunt acolo sau nu.. asa multi caini sunt tari in gura poate ca si musca bine cand te au pe tine in spate.
tipul de caine care este acum este rezultatul selectiei cainelui de sport si cainelui de detectie Vorbesc de cainii de lucru
da, asa este, iar adevaratul caine de paza reala s-a cam evaporat.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: fabius.m on November 11, 2011, 11:15:47 AM
Pai si ce fac? Eu nu vreau caine de sport, desi sunt un om energic si imi plac cainii energici cu pofta de viata (joaca).. vreu un ciobanesc german in curte care sa-mi faca PAZA!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on November 11, 2011, 11:18:29 AM
Pai si ce fac? Eu nu vreau caine de sport, desi sunt un om energic si imi plac cainii energici cu pofta de viata (joaca).. vreu un ciobanesc german in curte care sa-mi faca PAZA!
orienteaza-te catre caini cu descendenta estica, adica asta as face eu, tinand cont de asteptarile tale. Personal sunt supra multumit de Hun, desi are mai mult drive decat ma asteptam.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: fabius.m on November 11, 2011, 11:29:02 AM
abia astept sa vad ceva filmari cu el dupa ce ai sa-l aduci ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on November 16, 2011, 12:03:52 PM
pazea ca mai vine ceva marfa.. caini din frontiera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD2bjWLj0OM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on November 16, 2011, 01:57:21 PM
In ce hal imi plac cainii astia! ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on November 16, 2011, 02:14:25 PM
Pe batran parca l-am mai vazut in alt video.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on November 16, 2011, 03:54:21 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on December 01, 2011, 12:33:42 AM
Asta daca a pus gura pe tine nu mai ai timp sa spui nici tatal nostru. :grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on December 01, 2011, 12:56:06 AM
Imi place ultimul caine postat...seamana destul de bine cu Rocky la culori. Desi nu e un topic destinat cainilor morti si nici nu-s adepta postarii repetate a pozelor prin n' shpe mii de topicuri... (http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq357/Kamy_022/Stuff/Rocky.jpg)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Anouk on December 01, 2011, 02:12:10 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: fabius.m on December 01, 2011, 07:16:40 AM
eu il vazusem mai inchis la culoare, si oricum pare mic in clip, in realitate e mare.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on December 01, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
I have uploaded on you tube a clip of my first old school working GSD. Rommel i owned until around 1993, i had him for 11 years. His Dam came from Ex prison dogs and the Sire was a guard dog on a farm, who was a fairly serious dog that just gave you a stare that would make you look away and shit yourself, well i was only 13 years of age that time, so maybe thats why..
Am incarcat pe you tube un clip cu primul meu CG de lucru oldschool. L-am avut pe Rommel pana prin 1993, timp de 11 ani. Mama lui provenea din fosti caini de la penitenciar iar tatal lui era un caine de paza la o ferma, a fost un caine foarte serios, care era destul sa se uite odata la tine si te facea sa-ti doresti sa fi in alta parte, ei bine, eu aveam doar 13 ani la acea vreme, poate si de aceea..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITIFFXvacC4
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on December 01, 2011, 10:49:47 PM
Looks a lot like Goku's sire
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on December 02, 2011, 12:29:47 AM
Yes very similar in body type and build, Rommel was around 10 years of age in this clip. Have other video's uploaded which are some 'old school dogs' we had here in the late 80's and early 90's.. They are descendants of Casso multiple times on his maternal side..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on December 02, 2011, 01:32:52 AM
Physically strong dog, I love it.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on December 02, 2011, 12:56:17 PM
Astazi dimineata am vazut un CG iesind dintr-o curte, nu am ezitat si i-am facut niste poze cu telefonul! Am schimbat 2 vorbe cu proprietarul, mi-a spus ca il are de 10 ani si ca, catelul a facut „serviciu militar” - mai exact caine de politie. Proprietarul este politist, catelul este pensionar ;) :)
Astar was a property protection dog, who's Sire was Armando Yonny 100% DDR male bred here in Australia.. The Dam's paternal side was west lines going back to Vello zu den Sieben-Faulen fairly close.. Astar is on Casso's maternal side multiple times. Astar's grandson is the Bi colour "Igor" working back in the late 80's he is 4 - 5 Don Trafalaga 100% DDR to be imported into Australia in the 70's.. Igor is also on Casso's maternal side 6 times...(Von Forell Pamela) (Von Forell Vocho) The Black n Tan dog "Munga" was of West lines and is fairly close on Casso's maternal side.. Balck n Tan dog "Boss" and the solid black "Kaiser" are close relatives of Onyx.. And the WILD BLACK CG in the crate is "Onyx".. These dogs were basically at the beginning of dog training here in Australia in the 80's and early 90's.. No Sch training back then just 'old school' tecniques in a sense..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on December 08, 2011, 11:47:16 PM
No Sch training back then just 'old school' tecniques in a sense..
:rockon:
well many thanks for uploading such footage, we always love watching dogs of the past! Just wait and see how this topic will be updated in time.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on December 23, 2011, 07:20:49 PM
Dani looking for the video here on the forum which i would say its from You Tube.. The one of which a soldier releases a Bi Colour off lead and which then runs through long grass and water to find helper.. Its in this section of "As you were" whether its in the DDR or Working service section, i cant seem to find it.. Am pretty sure you posted it Dani..
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Post by: zimbris on December 23, 2011, 10:06:45 PM
you got me thinking now.. can you find it on youtube though..?
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Post by: Man Stopper on December 24, 2011, 02:35:47 AM
you got me thinking now.. can you find it on youtube though..?
I seen on Forum in this section i think "As you were" might of been Russian dogs.. Its a Bi Colour working with soldier out on field, looks like some old type footage, possibly 80's.. Chases helper through a swamp and brings him down, mits one of the better clips i seen which i wanted to save on my favourites...
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Post by: zimbris on December 24, 2011, 02:39:34 AM
I seen on Forum in this section i think "As you were" might of been Russian dogs.. Its a Bi Colour working with soldier out on field, looks like some old type footage, possibly 80's.. Chases helper through a swamp and brings him down, mits one of the better clips i seen which i wanted to save on my favourites...
ohh.. yeah, that's somewhere in the forum alright..
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Post by: Man Stopper on December 24, 2011, 03:21:07 AM
Soviet Army dogs (Vintage), thats the one bro...
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Post by: zimbris on December 24, 2011, 04:17:30 AM
;)
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Post by: Schwarz on January 03, 2012, 12:57:45 PM
Nero - :CG: linie veche (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Fn_UVtQCCmI/TwIfe2_VeGI/AAAAAAAAA4o/HDZC9ghNQy8/s912/DSC_2024.jpg)
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Post by: prototype on January 03, 2012, 12:59:23 PM
Care Nero? Frumos caine oricum.
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Post by: zimbris on January 03, 2012, 01:03:00 PM
cainii "vechi".. vai, cat mi-e dor de ei.......................
Degeaba ne mai este dor de ei acum, daca nu am avut grija de ei cand a trebuit :cry:
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Post by: zimbris on January 13, 2012, 12:29:44 PM
pai cine a stiut ce urma sa se intample cu rasa..
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Post by: Sorin on January 13, 2012, 12:37:53 PM
Si cand imi aduc aminte ce mult imi placeau astia de show cand ii vedeam pe strada, pentru mine pe timpul ala asa trebuia sa arate Cg , al meu nu avea spatele lasat ca al lor ,nu avea acte :grin: , dar erau niste trompete de caini cu tot cu actele lor, si sunt in cntinuare :)
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Post by: prototype on January 13, 2012, 01:29:07 PM
Si cand imi aduc aminte ce mult imi placeau astia de show cand ii vedeam pe strada, pentru mine pe timpul ala asa trebuia sa arate Cg , al meu nu avea spatele lasat ca al lor ,nu avea acte :grin: , dar erau niste trompete de caini cu tot cu actele lor, si sunt in cntinuare :)
Hm, ma regasesc si eu oarecum in postarea asta.
Dupa ce ajunsese adult cainele meu - era fara acte -, el avand spatele drept, cel de la care l-am luat imi zice odata: adevaratii CG sunt aia cu spatele lasat! Pfai, cand am auzit asta, undeva prin 2005-2006, m-a daramat oarecum si-mi ziceam ca trebuie sa ma obisnuiesc cu ideea ca am acasa un metis. Hi hi, si cand ma gandesc acum cum tanjeam atunci dupa un caine cu look de arc... :grin:
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Post by: zimbris on January 13, 2012, 01:35:17 PM
corect.. asa m-au facut si pe mine altii sa cred ca am un caine care "nu e bun"... altfel in ziua de azi eu aveam un fiu sau un fiu de Ben langa mine :wall: :drink: :crazy: :salut: Eu aveam aur curat in lesa si mi s-a spus ca nu e ce promoveaza neamtul, iar neamtul stie el cel mai bine ce si cum... :cheesy:
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Post by: prototype on January 13, 2012, 01:39:28 PM
Da, nici nemtii nu sunt toti nemti. Cine a fost prin Germania sau a interactionat cu nemti stie asta.
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Post by: zimbris on January 13, 2012, 01:47:25 PM
nemti, ne-nemti.. sa fie sanatosi, cainii lor m-au interesat.. ei i-au creeat, ei i-au distrus, acum viitorul rasei sta in mainile pasionatilor iar aia sunt putini la numar... restul vor fie sa faca bani grei fie sa produca Teddy Bear cu aspect de CG
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Post by: Man Stopper on January 13, 2012, 03:16:43 PM
Those photos are really classic in more ways than one, the Bi colour is a tank.. The last photo is also something thick "old school" type...!
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Post by: ares. on January 14, 2012, 01:44:06 AM
prin 1996-'97 am avut primul ciobanesc german,o femela,fara acte,dar m-a impresionat foarte mult caracterul ei ,dupa care m-am lovit de cg in armata,dupa perioada de intructie(3 luni),mi-am rezolvat sa continui la remiza caini din cadrul unitatii de jandarmi,am primit un caine in dotare("dresat" de alt soldat).era un caine cu specializare-urma,foarte frumos si cu un caracter foarte bun(cam cum erau majoritatea pe vremea aia),si de atunci nu a lipsit cg din curte(cel putin 1 :) )
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Post by: zimbris on January 14, 2012, 02:10:21 AM
bun, deci intelegi foarte bine de ce avem topicul asta in forum
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Post by: ares. on January 14, 2012, 02:25:51 AM
tot pe vremea aia un prieten de al meu avea un cg de show,despre care am numai cuvinte de lauda ,un caine foarte frumos,masiv,si cu un caracter foarte,foarte bun,de care tot vrea sa ma "lovesc",dar in ultima perioada ,mai greu
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Post by: zimbris on January 14, 2012, 02:30:13 AM
exemplare de show bune in caracter au fost, chiar multe. dar din moment ce lucruile sunt cum sunt in aria "lucru", matematic vorbind in aria "show" se cultiva varza
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Post by: HANS on January 15, 2012, 09:43:04 AM
Hara, acum are 10 ani si face paza exemplar
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Post by: zimbris on January 15, 2012, 09:43:59 AM
imi place ultima poza
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Post by: guest on January 15, 2012, 09:45:24 AM
Frumoasa.
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Post by: Sorin on January 15, 2012, 09:47:22 AM
Inainte nu prea deosebeai o femela de un mascul, erau c-am la fel pe fizic, arata bine la 10 ani.
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Post by: zimbris on January 15, 2012, 09:52:31 AM
arata FOARTE bine la 10 ani
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Post by: HANS on January 15, 2012, 10:01:53 AM
sunt cainii tatalui meu
cateva poze mai vechi cu Hara si un pui de vreo 10 - 11 luni
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on January 15, 2012, 10:03:00 AM
cateaua are intr-adevar look de old school, cu un spare ca ala
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Post by: Santos on January 15, 2012, 10:08:04 AM
arata bine femela
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Post by: HANS on January 15, 2012, 10:15:30 AM
un mascul din Hara, tot al tatalui meu, cand a fost facuta poza cred ca avea cam un an si jumatate.
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Post by: HANS on January 15, 2012, 10:19:05 AM
Sascha tot de la tata, nu sunt sigur ca e pusa in topicul potrivit - Old School are 3 ani si inca nu a intalnit gard sa nu il sara, motiv pentru care, cand nu e in padoc, sta legata
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Post by: zimbris on January 15, 2012, 10:25:50 AM
imi place, e expresiva tare
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Post by: guest on January 15, 2012, 10:54:26 AM
Foarte frumoasa Sascha, imi place!!!
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Post by: zimbris on January 18, 2012, 12:46:33 PM
Daca vei mai pune poze, te rog deschide-i un topic la sectiunea "Cainele meu".
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Post by: Santos on January 21, 2012, 07:01:44 AM
mai mult de jumatate din cainii de la scoala veche postati nu imi plac sunt chiar urati dar ultimii caini postati sunt superbi Tipul asta de caine imi place Imi place cainele de la avatar
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Post by: Sorin on January 21, 2012, 07:39:06 AM
a fost Dick, cainele antrenorului de juniori la Faru (fotbal) am mai vorbit de el, lui Dux i-a fost frica sa-l lucreze, poate intra mai tarziu sa va spuna ce caine a fost si ala
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Post by: Sorin on January 21, 2012, 09:35:32 AM
Ce simpatic e ala cu urechile moi. Tatal lui steve a avut una pleostita ,dar nu era de tot.
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Post by: HANS on January 21, 2012, 09:39:11 AM
Voinic, fost caine politist, a facut serviciu pana in ultima zi ca paznic la o ferma piscicola si a trecut prin multe. A murit la 14 ani, poza e facuta cand avea cam 13 si jumatate.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on January 21, 2012, 09:39:52 AM
Voinic, fost caine politist, a facut serviciu pana in ultima zi ca paznic la o ferma piscicola si a trecut prin multe. A murit la 14 ani, poza e facuta cand avea cam 13 si jumatate.
frumos, imi place..
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Post by: prototype on January 21, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
Cativa dintre cei postati sunt absolut minunati, dar ar fi bine daca ar exista poze in care sa fie prinsi din profil.
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Post by: zimbris on January 21, 2012, 09:44:46 AM
Da, arata frumos, probabil la "expresivitate" contribuie si masca aceea interesanta, sub forma de "ochelari". Cel din stanga e atat de negru ca abia distingi ceva! :cheesy:
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Post by: zimbris on January 21, 2012, 12:51:25 PM
m-a disperat John cu pozele astea :wall: :jumpoff:
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Post by: Sorin on January 21, 2012, 12:54:57 PM
Le-am vazut si eu in grup. :cheesy:
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Post by: zimbris on January 21, 2012, 01:06:11 PM
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Post by: guest on January 21, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
:bighug:
Ce botnite aveau pe vremea aia domn'le...un caine determinat cred ca era destul si sa iti "traga" cateva scatoalce cu o botnita din aia, de sa nu mai sti cum te cheama.
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Post by: zimbris on January 21, 2012, 01:23:28 PM
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Post by: guest on January 21, 2012, 01:25:02 PM
Wow, exemplarul asta e chiar deosebit. Pare solid...cel putin daca ma uit la cap si labele din fata.
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Post by: zimbris on January 21, 2012, 01:27:17 PM
ori e cainele mare, ori soldatelul "minor" :grin:
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Post by: Sorin on January 21, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
Seamana cu cel de la avatarul tau. - catelul :grin:
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Post by: zimbris on January 21, 2012, 01:38:12 PM
ala l-am pus la avatar ca sa-mi aduc aminte ce anume vreau, de cate ori vad cainele / poza, ce tip de caine vreau sa gasesc/produc :salut:
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Post by: dux on January 21, 2012, 01:44:02 PM
super cainii.eu consider acest tip de ciobanesc german de neegalat.la mine pe frontiera in anii 90 aveam 120 de exemplare,dispuse pe frontiera cu bulgaria.am avut privilegiul sa fiu in foarte bune relatii cu comandantii scolii de la Ciorani.datorita acestui fapt vizitam in fiecare an scoala.erau peste 500 de caini.femelele de reproductie erau solide de ziceai ca sunt masculi.exact tipul de caine din poze.voi incerca sa iau legatura cu domnul colonel(r) Manolache Liviu(ultimul comandant)sa-l intreb daca mai are poze cu cainii de acolo.ar fi super sa-mi trimita cateva fotografii.
Super dogs. I for one consider that type of dog to have no equal. Back in the 90's alongside the Bulgarian border we had about 120 such dogs. I have had the privilege to be good friends with the Ciorani military training school chief. Due to that I use to visit the training center every year. There were over 500 dogs back then. The breeding females looked so strong one would have thought they were males. I will try and re-establish contact with Colonel (retired) Manolache Liviu (last chief in command) and ask him if he could send me some pictures of the past dogs.
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Post by: zimbris on January 21, 2012, 02:15:13 PM
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Post by: Man Stopper on January 21, 2012, 06:26:47 PM
Thank you John for sharing these unuique classic old style photo's, i think Dani chose the right photo of the broad tank of a DDR male.. You know Dani i visualise of also bringing back this type of looking dog.. But won't trade it for a "REAL" tough character as these dogs we see, were that once upon a time...!!!
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Post by: zimbris on January 21, 2012, 07:39:16 PM
Yes, we get to share all these because of John, so credit to him.
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Post by: guest on January 22, 2012, 04:37:20 AM
Un slideshow (http://wgsd.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/ciobanescul-german-oldschool) cu toate pozele de la John postate pana acum plus cateva pe care le aveam in calculator.
A slideshow (http://wgsd.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/ciobanescul-german-oldschool) with all the pics from John posted in this topic 'till now and a few more that I already had in my PC.
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Post by: zimbris on January 22, 2012, 05:05:59 AM
Un slideshow (http://wgsd.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/ciobanescul-german-oldschool) cu toate pozele de la John postate pana acum plus cateva pe care le aveam in calculator.
A slideshow (http://wgsd.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/ciobanescul-german-oldschool) with all the pics from John posted in this topic 'till now and a few more that I already had in my PC.
:bravo: John va aprecia gestul tau!
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Post by: zimbris on January 22, 2012, 08:19:06 AM
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Post by: guest on January 23, 2012, 01:26:17 PM
Hai sa postez si eu cateva care le am prin calculator. Unele este posibil sa mai fi fost puse pe aici... Daca bine retin, sunt de la noi, nu de peste hotare.
mie-mi plac astia black n tan, nu stiu, poate mi se trage de la Ben, sau poate imi incanta ochiul mai mult.. dar ala din poza cu pricina e mortal! Cam cum e si Bodo Rosenzweig.
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Post by: ares. on January 25, 2012, 09:31:45 AM
eu nu tin neaparat la o culoare anume,dar inclin putin catre cei mai inchisi la culoare,asa pot spune ca imi plac cei lupii,dar putin mai catre negru
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Post by: zimbris on January 25, 2012, 09:33:10 AM
Mie mi-au placut intotdeauna asa cum e ala din ultima poza si Bodo (poza de jos) ceva mai mult negru si un maro mai inchis
Am facut si eu un album cu fotografiile cu cainii old school pe siteul meu care este in lucru. Ca sa vada lumea cum arata de fapt :CG:
Ciobanesc German Old School (http://www.ciobanescgermantartlau.ro/galerie/ciobanesc-german-black-white/old-school/)
super, DAR, eu am cerut voie de la John LaTorre sa postez pozele in forum; iti recomand sa ii dai un mesaj privat prin care sa-l intrebi daca poti folosi pozele. Sau ii poti scrie la adresa de contact de pe situl lui.
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Post by: zimbris on January 27, 2012, 01:36:16 AM
In alta ordine de idei (am inceput cu cea mai importanta pt momentul de fatza), imi place situl!
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Post by: Schwarz on January 27, 2012, 02:03:25 AM
In alta ordine de idei (am inceput cu cea mai importanta pt momentul de fatza), imi place situl!
Merci mult! Mai am de lucru la el inca, logoul este pus asa fictiv acolo, trebuie sa fac un logo calumea in noaptea asta si trebuie sa-l umplu de informatii! Acum i-am trimis un mesaj lui Johnsk, astept raspuns!
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Post by: zimbris on January 27, 2012, 02:05:24 AM
Acum i-am trimis un mesaj lui Johnsk, astept raspuns!
apreciez atitudinea si gestul
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Post by: kangdanlin on January 27, 2012, 03:17:10 AM
fain saitul dar ce caini mai ai,eu doar pe Sasha o stiu?
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Post by: dux on January 27, 2012, 06:22:48 AM
am vazut si eu sit-ul.dar informatia precum ca ciobanescul german are legaturi cu lupul nu este corecta.ciobanescul german nu are nicio legatura cu lupul.nu stiu de unde ai scos tu asta.este binevenit un nou sit. care sa promoveze ciobanescul german de lucru, dar trebuie sa oferim informatii foarte corecte altfel riscam sa dezorientam lumea.
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Post by: Schwarz on January 27, 2012, 06:37:12 AM
am vazut si eu sit-ul.dar informatia precum ca ciobanescul german are legaturi cu lupul nu este corecta.ciobanescul german nu are nicio legatura cu lupul.nu stiu de unde ai scos tu asta.este binevenit un nou sit. care sa promoveze ciobanescul german de lucru, dar trebuie sa oferim informatii foarte corecte altfel riscam sa dezorientam lumea.
Siteul este in lucru, toata informatia ce se regaseste in cadrul lui, mai putin pozele este fictiva, pusa acolo doar pentru probe, iar textul ala l-am luat cu copy/paste de pe Wikipedia :) (ce e drept nu l-am citit). La final, site-ul va avea o sectiune de articole, iar articolele vor fii scrise de catre un redactor de la un ziar local din Brasov (nu voi copia nimic de pe net). Toate evenimentele in care este „implicat” mai mult sau mai putin ciobanescul german din Romania (expo, examene, etc) va avea articol cu foto pe site-ul meu.
multumesc dux!
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Post by: dux on January 27, 2012, 08:18:47 AM
Toate evenimentele in care este „implicat” mai mult sau mai putin ciobanescul german din Romania (expo, examene, etc) va avea articol cu foto pe site-ul meu.
multumesc dux!
eu iti recomand sa pui toate articolele in care este implicat c.g.-ul de lucru.trebuie sa fii radical.nu pune articole pt. a promova c.g.-ul de show.vei face o mare greseala.promoveaza cainii de lucru.doar asa ajutam rasa.promovand linia de show nu faci decat sa pui o caramida in daramarea conceptului pe care Max von Stepanitz la promovat o viata.el a vrut un caine de munca 100%.predecesorii lui l-au ,,tradat'' si l-au transformat in caine de frumusete.
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Post by: Bogdan on January 27, 2012, 08:32:21 AM
am vazut si eu sit-ul.dar informatia precum ca ciobanescul german are legaturi cu lupul nu este corecta.ciobanescul german nu are nicio legatura cu lupul.nu stiu de unde ai scos tu asta.este binevenit un nou sit. care sa promoveze ciobanescul german de lucru, dar trebuie sa oferim informatii foarte corecte altfel riscam sa dezorientam lumea.
Cum sa nu aiba CG sange de lup? Si Funar are sange de ungur, deci totul e posibil!
P.S. Sti ca Funar are sange de ungur? (pe bara de protectie de la masina). :cheesy:
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Post by: Schwarz on January 27, 2012, 09:06:59 AM
eu iti recomand sa pui toate articolele in care este implicat c.g.-ul de lucru.trebuie sa fii radical.nu pune articole pt. a promova c.g.-ul de show.vei face o mare greseala.promoveaza cainii de lucru.doar asa ajutam rasa.promovand linia de show nu faci decat sa pui o caramida in daramarea conceptului pe care Max von Stepanitz la promovat o viata.el a vrut un caine de munca 100%.predecesorii lui l-au ,,tradat'' si l-au transformat in caine de frumusete.
reformulez
Toate evenimentele in care este „implicat” mai mult sau mai putin ciobanescul german din linie de lucru... (expo, examene, etc) va avea articol cu foto pe site-ul meu.
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Post by: hora on January 30, 2012, 10:30:55 AM
Nu s-a gandit niciodata sa-i opereze pintenul de la piciorul stanga/spate? Vad ca la dreptul nu are...
nu e al lui, e de la un penitenciar, caine de paza. Imi place la nebunie: Dimensiuni considerabile, spate drept, cap puternic, osatura zdravana, pigment, iar faptul ca e caine de serviciu la penitenciar spune ce fel de temperament are. Un CG BUN, in ce ma priveste.
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Post by: guest on February 18, 2012, 11:03:52 AM
Daa, frumos, am avut multi caini ca el in tecuci prin 97" - 98"
Prin anii '90 intalneai mult mai des astfel de exemplare si ceva mai rar caini de show. La sfarsitul anilor '90 si pana prin 2003-2004, majoritatea cunoscutilor mei cu CG aveau astfel de caini. In grupul cu care ne intalneam in parc, erau numai 2 CG de show, si vreo 4-5 CG "vechi". Iar majoritatea celor care erau obisnuiti cu cainele de tip "vechi" si ii vedeau pe cei de show cam ridicau o spranceana... Dupa aceea lucrurile s-au stricat si mai tare. Dar in principiu, deja de prin 2000 incepusem sa nu mai vad atat de des caini de tip vechi, apareau din ce in ce mai multi de show. Inclusiv pe baietii de la Jandarmerie pe care-i mai vedeam pana atunci deplasandu-se cu cainii, de prin 2000 au "disparut".
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Post by: guest on February 18, 2012, 02:46:56 PM
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Post by: AXX Police Tracker on February 18, 2012, 03:48:41 PM
Nu e mare...cainele e imens... in realitate se vede cel mai bine...eu l-am fotografiat cu telefonul, nu prea statea de aceea nu l-am prins prea bine. Nu am vazut in viata mea un ciobanesc german mai mare ca asta...nici in realitate (si am vazut foarte multi in toate imprejurarile, politie, Sibiu, graniceri, etc) nici la tv sau emisiuni. Pot sa jur ca masculul asta are 70 la greaban. Pot sa jur. Un cap imens, musculos, se vedeau foarte bine reliefati maseterii si in plus si maxilarele erau robuste. Bineinteles ca era si lung, pe masura. Cainele nu este el in sine de penitenciar. Tatal lui si mama, zice proprietarul ca ar fi de la politia de frontiera....mai marunta si mai inchisa la culoare. Sincer niciun CG nu m-a impresionat vreodata in viata mea cum a facut-o cainele asta si sincer sa fiu nici nu cred ca o va face vreunul fiindca cred ca mai mare nu poate sa existe, altfel nu ar mai fi CG :). Poate doar vreun ciobanesc est european (identic ca aspect cu CG-ul, dar mult mai mare) sa aibe vreo sansa , dar deja e alta rasa
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Post by: Man Stopper on February 18, 2012, 05:09:42 PM
Whether it's 65 or even up to 70 cm at withers, if it's not in proportion height/length then it does not look so good. As for the work ability of a larger dog i can't see much more of any benefit, than a medium size..
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Post by: zimbris on February 18, 2012, 09:29:42 PM
tari!
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Post by: Johnsk9 on February 20, 2012, 02:54:00 PM
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Post by: guest on March 11, 2012, 03:02:46 AM
Foarte frumos cainele din stanga.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on March 11, 2012, 03:06:52 AM
mie-mi plac amandoi
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Post by: guest on March 11, 2012, 03:08:48 AM
Si cel din dreapta e frumos, dar ca si expresivitate il prefer pe cel din stanga.
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Post by: Man Stopper on March 11, 2012, 06:41:51 AM
They both look the same in markings, possibly the Sire on the left.. The one on right looks younger and maybe just been captured better on that moment, in comparison to the one on left..
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Post by: zimbris on March 15, 2012, 08:03:48 AM
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Post by: guest on March 23, 2012, 06:01:18 AM
Foarte frumos exemplar!
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Post by: VINCENT on March 28, 2012, 11:23:06 AM
Zimbris Spunei cateva pagini in urma despre un cg ca ar fi caine de penitenciar.Sistemul penitenciar romanesc nu mai are oficial caini din 1995, cand, nu stiu din ce motive, au fost scosi din serviciu.Cainele respectiv e posibil sa fie vreun urmas al acelor caini, asa cum e cainele meu.Poate e al vreunui angajat care il foloseste totusi la paza( e de la Poarta Alba?), dar nu poate fi al penitenciarului. Totusi, se incearca acum sa se revina la situatia de dinainte de 1995 si, anul trecut, primii 8 caini au intrat in sistem.Provin de la Politia de frontiera si sunt caini de detectie.Deocamdata sunt singurii care exista, in mod oficial, desigur!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on March 30, 2012, 11:04:33 AM
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Post by: Man Stopper on April 19, 2012, 07:56:52 AM
The B&W photo of the Male on own looks very original in expression and markings, crazy especially behind the barb wire fence.. Always look in this topic to see you guys post some of these classic unique photo's, keep them coming...
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Post by: zimbris on April 19, 2012, 08:17:52 AM
daca erau cum erau si cei de-i vedeam eu la CT si pe la Radauti/Suceava, erau caini medii ca statura, robusti si ceva mai calmi, nu excelau in drive. Caini linistiti.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on April 20, 2012, 02:18:05 AM
I just looked him up, nice old look indeed, somewhat less-blocky head type
Very fine in the muzzle and average head size, very popular dog in those days.. Big bucks payed for him in those days apparently $10,000 back in the late 1940's after the World War.. DDR dogs such as Ex v Riedstern were line bred on Rolf vom Osnarbrucker Land, who is out of Lex.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on April 29, 2012, 12:26:30 AM
Big bucks payed for him in those days apparently $10,000 back in the late 1940's after the World War..
well people still pay big money for dogs that are really crappy, I know a Romanian show line GS dogs breeder who sold a show line crappy dog for $10000 a few years ago (maybe 2002). We're talking about a show GSD who produced pups with heads that resembled those of ducks, just narrow heads. Not to mention their temperament was crappy.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on April 29, 2012, 12:40:49 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on May 03, 2012, 10:25:06 AM
John these ones are already posted in the forum, I copied them off your FBook page and pasted them here a few pages back. Actually quite a few pages back..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on May 03, 2012, 10:51:36 AM
John these ones are already posted in the forum, I copied them off your FBook page and pasted them here a few pages back. Actually quite a few pages back..
Ok i did not know just remove them
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on May 03, 2012, 10:52:38 AM
nah.. that's fine :cool:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on May 03, 2012, 11:17:04 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on May 05, 2012, 12:52:35 AM
Love these classic photo's you post John, very rare and unique type of 'old school dogs'.. Bodo litter sister Bella Rozen.. came into Australia a while back as you guys probaly know, she passed on the thick bones and blocky heads.. Even after a few generations there are few which to this day have incredible DDR look about them, but unfortunatley nothing in terms of tough workability which DDR type were known to have back in the day... The 1 mentioned with the Army guys, has really wide front feet and thats the type from Bella Rozen..are like. Check out Vom Sirius Kennels or PDB 'Vom Sirius Alpha'..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: fabius.m on May 05, 2012, 01:02:42 AM
ce buhai de caine! tare!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: zimbris on May 05, 2012, 02:16:31 AM
I checked the Vom Sirius website, some nice blocky old style looks indeed. I see they got some of their dogs from Vonforell. I also had a look at this Drago dog http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=624708 his grandma is Bella. I wish I could see some videos of these dogs, looking good in still images but can't really tell how good or hard workers they are. I wish there were a more recent picture of V Sirius Alpha.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on May 05, 2012, 02:22:59 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on May 05, 2012, 12:25:08 PM
I think in the years to come we will cry these dogs out of reality. There are still some left, scattered in various backyards or military units, around Eastern Europe..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on May 05, 2012, 12:38:05 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on May 05, 2012, 12:50:01 PM
John did you notice how these dogs (in the pictures) have a different structure than the more recent east dogs? Straighter backs, dryer muscles (I think) and an overall different look about them.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on May 06, 2012, 11:15:47 PM
I checked the Vom Sirius website, some nice blocky old style looks indeed. I see they got some of their dogs from Vonforell. I also had a look at this Drago dog http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=624708 his grandma is Bella. I wish I could see some videos of these dogs, looking good in still images but can't really tell how good or hard workers they are. I wish there were a more recent picture of V Sirius Alpha.
Yeah well Drago is linebred 3-2 on Bella.. And from what i heard another young male V Sirius Adolf who at 11 months of age is really seriously thick boned and has true DDR look about.This young male is 4,3-5 on Bella and from what i was told he is thick boned and robust.. I thought Casso was big boned and all but nothing compared to these lines mentioned.. But in all honesty i wouldn't swap big bones and mass for bad ass attitude in a dog.. Von Forell Amber, Abra and Aria who i believe would be the better of the three bitches, seems to be favoured by Von Forell Kennels..And they are linebred 5 - 5 on Held you know who...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on May 07, 2012, 10:42:39 AM
da si e trecut prin multe, prietenii mei l0au luat de la niste oameni care-l tineau pe un lant scurt pt ca e caine "periculos". Cainele e intr-adevar (sau a fost la vremea lui) "bazat", dar nu sa-l tii la punct fix ca ti-e frica de el.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: HANS on May 10, 2012, 12:09:26 PM
Prinz si Blondi isi au locul pe aici ?
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on May 10, 2012, 12:11:01 PM
daca la 11 ani jumatate (pentru un caine de serviciu nu tinut in curte)
Arata FOARTE BINE pentru un caine de 11 ani jumatate! Asa DA!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on June 08, 2012, 12:20:12 AM
Baieti, care este.. sangele de la Ciorani e pe duca, fiti creativi.. nu vreau sa vin cu sugestii dar in cativa ani de zile o sa plangem cu totii dupa tipul asta de caine, spate drept, look-ul si expresivitatea tipica a cainelui numit simbolic in forum, old school. Asta e si motivul pt care am considerat ca e nevoie de topicul asta si am si spus ca va avea viatza lunga. Sa speram ca viata asta lunga n-o vor da doar pozele si clipurile!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on June 08, 2012, 12:26:29 AM
ye man.. the old school is incomparable.. I would breed Briska to a dog like that in a split second!
Am sure you can get something like that with Hun and Briska, there is size, pigment and character in them both for potentially good results.. You have had excellent reults from recent Zimbris 'L' litter i believe, especially Lars looks awesome.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on June 22, 2012, 06:33:36 AM
Well at this point we do believe Lars will grow into a stronger dog than his sire, his had is simply mind blowing.. Time will tell I guess :cool:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on June 22, 2012, 07:19:31 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on June 23, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
Not only do these classic dog's look robust and thick, there coat seemed to be more thick also. Gives them that extra touch of size, alot of the working dog's these days, especially the West line have a very short coat. Sometimes they look like a Doberman or Rottweiler coat..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on June 23, 2012, 08:05:30 PM
Am tinut sa postez poze cu acesti catei, deoarece stiu ca pe acest forum sunt apreciati si cainii fara acte din caini vechi! Tatal puiutilor se afla la Adrian Letca, se numeste Rex.. si atat :), am in calculator poze cu el, le caut in disperare, nu dau de ele, caut in 2 terra de poze.. Daca nu le gasesc, am sa-i fac poze cat de curand, seamana cu Bruno. Mama puilor se numeste Alma, este o femela tare mare, batrana, la fel nu am reusit sa-i fac poze.. Amandoi parintii au culoarea clasica a Ciobanescului German, femela are mai mult negru. Cateii au 5 saptamani..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 13, 2012, 11:21:15 AM
Adolf Hitler mit Schäferhund Blondi (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/johnsk9/adolfhitler.jpg)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on July 15, 2012, 01:58:15 AM
John while I think about it, I think I noticed more sable dogs in the DDR pictures and somewhat more black n tans in the ones form CZ (or former Czechoslovakia). But I could be wrong..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 20, 2012, 08:41:23 AM
:grin: Pai se stie ca suntem mai animale decat... animalele!
E cam aiurea afirmatia asta; animalul actioneaza in baza instinctului, omul are puterea sa aleaga / discearna. Deci, cel putin pt unul ca mine, afirmatia asta cu omul cum ca e mai animal decat animalul pica.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on July 20, 2012, 12:23:00 PM
E cam aiurea afirmatia asta; animalul actioneaza in baza instinctului, omul are puterea sa aleaga / discearna. Deci, cel putin pt unul ca mine, afirmatia asta cu omul cum ca e mai animal decat animalul pica.
Tocmai, are puterea de discernamant si "alege" de multe ori sa se comporte mai ceva decat un animal care actioneaza in baza instinctului sau pur si simplu nu se foloseste de faptul ca poate alege si poate gandi mai detaliat inainte de a actiona. Parerea mea, bineinteles, nu este si nu a fost aceea de a jigni pe cineva, ci doar o constatare personala.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 21, 2012, 08:35:57 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on July 27, 2012, 12:17:22 PM
So obviously most countries in the East European block used shepherd dogs in the war years. I guess when I say East that automatically means (former) communist countries.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 27, 2012, 12:27:43 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: dux on July 28, 2012, 12:39:43 AM
Vremurile de aur ale ciobanescului german.Cand era privit strict ca un caine utilitar.De fapt acesti caini au construit numele de ,,regele cainilor utilitare''.Asta pana cand un grup de oameni din S.V. a vrut altceva.Si iata ce a iesit.Niste caini care sunt apreciati dupa cum alearga in ring si dupa cat de roscati sunt.
The golden ages of the German Shepherd Dog. When he was seen strictly as a working dog. In fact, these dogs built up the name of "the king of working dogs". Until a group of people from the S.V. wanted something else. And look what came out. Dogs that are appreciated by the way they are running in the ring and by how reddish they are.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on July 28, 2012, 02:14:58 AM
Vremurile de aur ale ciobanescului german.Cand era privit strict ca un caine utilitar.De fapt acesti caini au construit numele de ,,regele cainilor utilitare''.Asta pana cand un grup de oameni din S.V. a vrut altceva.Si iata ce a iesit.Niste caini care sunt apreciati dupa cum alearga in ring si dupa cat de roscati sunt.
The golden ages of the German Shepherd Dog. When he was seen strictly as a working dog. In fact, these dogs built up the name of "the king of working dogs". Until a group of people from the S.V. wanted something else. And look what came out. Dogs that are appreciated by the way they are running in the ring and by how reddish they are.
hehe.. as am spus si eu pe forumul CG Romania de pe Facebook, ca astia vor ramane "regii rasei". Dar am parasit grupul/forumul respectiv pt ca a devenit un punct de vanzare pt catei de show.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on July 29, 2012, 11:16:21 PM
Dux says it clearly the way it is.. Some great nostalgic photo's once again John, keep em coming..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 31, 2012, 01:11:45 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on August 01, 2012, 10:23:09 AM
asta e old school d-ala vechi, nene :laugh: :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sandokan on August 01, 2012, 10:31:31 AM
Nu stiu daca s-a mai postat cainele asta dar mie unu imi place foaarte muult :rockon: (http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh597/zorban2/VImmovomHasenfang1942-30.jpg)
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Post by: guest on August 01, 2012, 10:32:38 AM
Un caine pe placul meu ca si aspect fizic! (http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/BarryvomSchwarzenFlie.jpg)
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Post by: AXX Police Tracker on August 01, 2012, 10:37:07 AM
Foarte aratos cainele din dreapta. (http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/AkimzeStribrnehoKamene.jpg)
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Post by: guest on August 05, 2012, 08:22:51 AM
Mai am unul, frumos si el. Dar adevarul este ca mai mult imi place primul! :) (http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/AriszeStribrnehoKamene.jpg)
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Post by: guest on August 05, 2012, 08:23:26 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Romul on August 16, 2012, 05:34:50 PM
ABSALUTE TRESURE!!.
Excellent excellent work Dani,John and the rest of the people that put these picture's and video's together. I all so have some old pic's to,not as far as the 40's &50's but they are good particularly the one of Armando Yony.He was very old style DDr(ugly but ment business).
Regards Sam.
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Post by: ben on August 17, 2012, 07:56:50 AM
He was very old style DDr(ugly but ment business).
Ugly but meant business!! I like the way it sounds :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Romul on August 17, 2012, 05:27:39 PM
Hello Dani, I had the pleasure of meeting Rodney @20year's ago,he was the owner of Kirt(Armando Yony). Rodney's fulltime ocupation was to be a security guard and i remember that time when he said to me and i quate "sam i don't care what my dog look's like,if he is going to save my life that's all that matters".
We tryed to do a mating with him and my female at the time(Beunnan Ulme)but he was to old to mount her plus he was way to tall for her as she was only a amall bitch.
Now i have a much larger and a bitch with much more character,Yultzen Rahni.
Regards Sam.
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Post by: zeedorf on August 18, 2012, 07:14:01 AM
Bacau, Itesti -9 Februarie 1991-
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Post by: HANS on August 18, 2012, 07:24:55 AM
asta cred ca e la depozitul militar... primul meu caine a fost de acolo ...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on August 18, 2012, 07:29:31 AM
@ zeedorf - Frumos exemplarul din poza!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on August 18, 2012, 09:54:40 AM
frumoasa poza, sunt convins ca si amintirile la fel de frumoase :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: hora on August 21, 2012, 12:46:36 PM
Acesta a fost Dingo, cainele tatalui meu. A trait din 2000 pana in 2005, din pacate. A fost un caine extraordinar, loial, cu instinct de paza intact. Cantarea 45 de kg. La greaban nu stiu cat avea, pentru ca nu l-am masurat niciodata. Era, oricum , un caine destul de masiv. Dupa moartea lui, i l-am dus lui tata pe Lord, tot old school, pe care as dori sa vi-l prezint mai pe larg. Dingo:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on August 21, 2012, 11:15:03 PM
Frumos exemplar.
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Post by: AXX Police Tracker on August 22, 2012, 02:28:09 AM
Deci asta e un caine extraordinar de frumos...imi place rau...Imi place la nebunie spatele ala drept si culoarea. Repet...extraordinar de frumos cainele...are o expresie si un aspect de old school veritabil. PS daca ar fi fost un robot nu as mai avea absolut nicio piesa de adaugat la el. Nici macar o saiba :grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on August 22, 2012, 11:19:38 AM
Da, e un caine frumos.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: hora on August 22, 2012, 12:13:46 PM
:) Spunea un coleg de forum odata ca nu as stii ce este un "old school". Dingo a fost drept de monta. Tatal lui a fost al doilea cg de linie veche pe care l-am avut. Mama lui Dingo facea paza la Avicola Brasov. Tatal lui Dingo (Lord) era mai mic de statura (undeva pe la 62-63) dar era gros, puternic. La culoare era mai negru ca fiu-sau. In, fine, a fost. Pentru taica-meu a fost o adevarata tragedie cand a murit. Pe Dingo a trebuit sa-l iau de langa maica=sa la 5 saptamani. Inainte sa il duc lui tata, eram intr-o zi cu el prin gradina. O vecina, mare iubitoare de caini, zice"vai. ce catelus frumos". Eu il tineam in brate. Da sa-l apuce de botic. In secunda doi a muscat-o de deget. La 5 saptamani! Saraca, s-a speriat rau.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: hora on August 22, 2012, 12:40:01 PM
Iata-l si pe Lord (numit asa dupa tatal lui Dingo). L-am cumparat de la o persoana particulara. Nascut in 2005. I l-am dus lui tata dupa moartea lui Dingo. Arata destul de rau cand l-am luat, dar s-a inzdravenit pe parcurs. In prima poza - cand l-am dus, a doua la un an. Celelalte sunt de saptamana trecuta.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: hora on August 22, 2012, 12:48:53 PM
Dupa cum vedeti, are un mic defect la o ureche. Dar asta nu ne deranjeaza. Dimpotriva, ii confera personalitate. Lord e un caine foarte bun, desi nu e asa dur cum a fost Dingo. Ala te manca de viu.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: hora on August 22, 2012, 12:54:52 PM
In action.
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Post by: guest on August 22, 2012, 01:12:44 PM
E foarte frumos si Lord!
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Post by: hora on August 22, 2012, 01:28:47 PM
Multumesc. Iata si cateva filmulete. Scuzati calitatea mai slaba.
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Post by: Man Stopper on August 31, 2012, 01:25:52 AM
The close up picture of the group of dpgs and soldiers.. What kind of dogs are these ? Alaskan Malamute.
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Post by: guest on August 31, 2012, 01:33:03 AM
No, they are GSDs. Or at least, that's what they're supposed to be, since I found them on a page with an article about GS dogs. And I don't think that the Military used Alaskan Malamutes.
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Post by: guest on August 31, 2012, 01:39:08 AM
The first dog (from the right), actually reminds me a little bit of Fels Kemmlerblick. (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/253066_426914150688185_912642519_n.jpg)
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Post by: Man Stopper on August 31, 2012, 01:39:55 AM
No, they are GSDs. Or at least, that's what they're supposed to be, since I found them on a page with an article about GS dogs. And I don't think that the Military used Alaskan Malamutes.
I wouldn't think that the military would be based anywhere near Alaska, by the looks of the uniform.. But these dogs seem to have very short muzzles and broad heads and that slant look in there eyes, plus there coat and markings look like Malamute. I guess its like a Wolf mix too me, somewhere in Siberia probally..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on August 31, 2012, 01:41:34 AM
The first dog (from the right), actually reminds me a little bit of Fels Kemmlerblick. (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/253066_426914150688185_912642519_n.jpg)
Ye i could see that.. Not so common this look that we're used to, if you know what i mean..
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Post by: guest on August 31, 2012, 01:47:35 AM
Indeed they kinda look like Alaskan Malamutes, judging by their coats, muzzles and face expressions. I think that if the picture was color, not black n white, it would have been much more revealing. Even so, the first dog really reminds me of Fels in a way or another.
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Post by: Man Stopper on August 31, 2012, 01:53:44 AM
It does look like Fels, i dont mind this look in markings..
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Post by: guest on August 31, 2012, 02:10:47 AM
Iar mie astia de la "temelie" imi par uratei; cei mai frumosi imi par nu astia moderni ci aia de ii tot vedem prin pozele de la John, de la Cehi si RDG-isti. Caini peste care deja trecusera ceva ani de selectie.
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Post by: guest on September 06, 2012, 12:39:17 PM
Un alt exemplar despre care nu as spune ca e urat si nici ca e "maidanez" este Klodo. Sincer, am vazut in prezent caini mai urati decat unii din vremurile acelea.
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Post by: prototype on September 06, 2012, 12:43:29 PM
Ultimul postat de Thara, n-ar fi chiar urat, dar gatul ala lung il face sa para ciudat.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on September 06, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
Incerca o americanca, fan inrait Jinopo, pe situl ei, sa demonstreze ca Jiri promoveaza tipul vechi de caine si, a facut o comparatie intre Horand si unul din cainii ei curenti care ce e drept, analizand pozele, cel curent aducea mult a Horand dar cainele e un STIFT.
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Post by: guest on September 06, 2012, 12:48:06 PM
Inca niste exemple de "maidanezi", vorba expertilor... DA, existau exemplare mai uratele, dar sa nu uitam totusi ca acesti "maidanezi" stau la baza rasei, daca nu erau ei, noi nu mai aveam acum CG... aveam probabil... tot maidanezi! :laugh:
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Post by: ben on September 06, 2012, 12:50:24 PM
Hai sa va aduc pe toti cu picioarele pe pamant - am bagat la cautare foto pe google "Horand" si printre rezultate mi-a aparut asta :grin:
Let me bring you back to earth - I googled Horand von Grafrath and this was one of the results I came across :cheesy: (http://www.royalvolgyikennel.hu/images/kitti.jpg)
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Post by: Johnsk9 on September 06, 2012, 12:51:48 PM
double :laugh: dar maidanezi de maidanezi nu asa, orice maidanez :laugh:
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Post by: AXX Police Tracker on September 07, 2012, 10:38:20 AM
ce-mi place la Beowulf, toracele foarte adanc si greabanul masiv. Aici e de nota 10, n-am ce zice. La restul nu ma bag. Si pana la urma, nu-ti poti da seama de un caine ca asta, "monstru sacru", doar dintr-o foto in care poate nici nu era atent macar. Parerea mea.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on September 07, 2012, 12:30:05 PM
Atunci ar veni "monstru sacru si necunoscut" :undecided:
:laugh: foarte tareee....normal ca necunoscut. Nu poti sa compari al doilea etalon al rasei (dupa Horand), respectiv Beowulf, cu un "oarecare CG care arata bine. Beowulf e Beowulf tata, d-asta si "traieste" si va "trai" la nesfarsit dupa atata amar de vreme. :rockon: Intr-adevar nu e cel mai frumos CG vazut vreodata, dar repet: e Beowulf. :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on September 08, 2012, 05:57:28 AM
:laugh: foarte tareee....normal ca necunoscut. Nu poti sa compari al doilea etalon al rasei (dupa Horand), respectiv Beowulf, cu un "oarecare CG care arata bine. Beowulf e Beowulf tata, d-asta si "traieste" si va "trai" la nesfarsit dupa atata amar de vreme. :rockon: Intr-adevar nu e cel mai frumos CG vazut vreodata, dar repet: e Beowulf. :rockon:
:grin: gata sefu'.. am avut un moment, promit sa fiu mai atent data viitoare ::wonderful::
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on September 08, 2012, 09:32:01 AM
:grin: gata sefu'.. am avut un moment, promit sa fiu mai atent data viitoare ::wonderful::
:laugh: aa, nu, ca nu ma refeream la tine...doar dezvoltam discutia. Altii poate ar face o gafa ca asta, alti "cunoscatori" sau "experti" Tu nu esti printre ei , din cate am observat eu. :grin: :beer:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on September 08, 2012, 11:20:02 PM
:laugh: aa, nu, ca nu ma refeream la tine...doar dezvoltam discutia. Altii poate ar face o gafa ca asta, alti "cunoscatori" sau "experti" Tu nu esti printre ei , din cate am observat eu. :grin: :beer:
:grin: Boss, eu nu ma consider un macher in domeniu ci doar analizez lucrurile dupa ceea ce vad, indiferent ca e vorba de caini sau altceva, iar ca si "tema", in ce priveste cainii, incerc sa inteleg cat mai bine aspectele ce tin de genetica, pt ca orice "greu" acolo puncteaza, cand ma informez. Dar da.. de experti si cunoscatori nu vom duce lipsa, nu e vorba de cazul izolat al unui forum cat de fenomen, in general, iar internetul e o platforma uriasa de lansare pt asa ceva :cheesy:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on September 17, 2012, 03:46:59 AM
I think the 'fight' is on who's going to get there first, the thirst(hunger) would of been there.. Especially considering it looks like, it was the harsh cold winter months when, this photo was taken.. (If it's true that they were in some cases, feed only 'ONCE' every 10 days..) This would of given them the hunger alright..! Nice photo Thara you would not see too many pic like this...! :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on September 20, 2012, 10:57:08 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 01, 2012, 01:21:36 PM
John these dogs have a different build than most korung showed dogs in the history of the breed. We are talking about straight backs, somewhat "less charming" looks, makes me think the military (former DDR and CZS) bred different bloodlines altogether. I think the gene pool for an old school contemporary dog lies within the bunch of dogs exsting in many a military unit, in former communist countries in the East European block.. it's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 01, 2012, 01:26:58 PM
John these dogs have a different build than most korung showed dogs in the history of the breed. We are talking about straight backs, somewhat "less charming" looks, makes me think the military (former DDR and CZS) bred different bloodlines altogether. I think the gene pool for an old school contemporary dog lies within the bunch of dogs exsting in many a military unit, in former communist countries in the East European block.. it's just my opinion.
I believe this to be true also, the markings and structure differ to those we so commanly see these days.. And character last but not least..! Nice nostalgic photo's John.. :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on October 02, 2012, 11:20:31 AM
Looks can be decieving, its in most cases the skinny average dogs that are sharpest.. Cam make us mince meat and into a burger.. :grin:
Woof, I know, when Ben was about 8 months old, he almost ate the face of a lady who stopped by saying "what a sweet looking face" and bent down to look closer into his eyes :pretty2: ;suicide;
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on October 02, 2012, 11:36:48 AM
Woof, I know, when Ben was about 8 months old, he almost ate the face of a lady who stopped by saying "what a sweet looking face" and bent down to look closer into his eyes :pretty2: ;suicide;
:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 02, 2012, 11:38:08 AM
Woof, I know, when Ben was about 8 months old, he almost ate the face of a lady who stopped by saying "what a sweet looking face" and bent down to look closer into his eyes :pretty2: ;suicide;
And? Let me guess: she kissed him, or he kissed her. :lol:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 02, 2012, 11:41:47 AM
And? Let me guess: she kissed him, or he kissed her. :lol:
:grin: actually she was a very fine lady and you could tell she loved animals but she looked scared when Ben went up for her face.. so I apologized about his reaction :salut:
On a more serious note, based on what I know you need, you got to get yourself a Ben!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on October 02, 2012, 11:46:07 AM
Yeah, I hope I'll have a Ben someday. :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 02, 2012, 11:48:48 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 03, 2012, 07:22:26 AM
Oh yeah!! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 03, 2012, 11:22:43 AM
frate , jur ca nu-mi place nici unul....in primul rand nu halesc urechi rotunjite la un CG...ca d-aia ii zice caine-lup, sa aibe urechile erecte si ascutite CA ALE UNUI LUP. Unul are o ureche pleostita....pai ori vb de adevarati CG ori de compromisuri de gen: n-are nimic ca are o ureche moale sau cazuta ca e rau...pai asa si un pitbull e rau, de ce nu au luat un d-ala...in al treilea rand, ce e cu urechile alea departate asa una de alta, ca la urs...frate, un CG e un CG, trebuie sa se recunoasca si sa atraga atentia de la 1 km....nu sa puna problema: o fi metis cainele asta...hmmmm, s-ar putea. Nu contest ca sunt buni si combativi si rai...asa e si un caucazian, de ce nu au luat caucazieni daca au vrut DOAR SA FIE BUNI SI COMBATIVI SI RAI? Din astia 3 nu-mi place absolut niciunul , de nicio culoare. ce-mi place e doar faptul ca macar nu sunt niste pitici cu antebrate de basset :grin: DOAR ATAT.
Brother, I swer I don't like any of these dogs.. first of all I hate rounded ears on a GSD.. after all that's why we nick name them wolf-dog, that it has erect and pointy ears, same as those of a wolf. Are we talking genuine GS dogs or compromises.. you say it's no problem it has one ear down as long as it's hard in temperament.. well a pitbull is hard too, why didn't they get one of those then.. thirdly, why those ears that are so separated apart, bear-like.. bro, a GSD is a GSD, you should tell one from a great distance, as opposed to make you wonder whether it is a cross breed or not. They may be hard and tough and anything else.. but so is a Caucasian shepherd, why didn't they get some of those, for those reasons? Out of these three I like none, not at all. But then it's ok that they don't look like basset hounds :grin:. JUST THAT.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on October 03, 2012, 11:35:28 AM
Cel din dreapta ar trebui sa-ti placa, ala chiar seamana cu un lup.
You would probably like the one to the right, actually looks like a wolf.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 03, 2012, 11:41:56 AM
Cel din dreapta ar trebui sa-ti placa, ala chiar seamana cu un lup.
sincer...nici nu-l vazusem...da imi place, dar imi place mai mult un CG care zici ca e lup decat un husky sau un cehoslovac care zici ca e lup...asta, sincer nici nu mai stiu ce e, ca , nu prea arata ca un CG VERITABIL (la culoare ma refer si mai ales la masca)
honestly.. I haven't spotted him and yes, I like him, but I prefer a dog that resembles a wolf rather than a Husky or CZ shepherd that looks like a wolf.. this one, I honestly don't know what exactly is, as it doesn't really look like a genuine GS dog (I particularly refer to the color and especially the mask)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on October 03, 2012, 11:44:00 AM
Ei, sunt caini vechi, iar unii dintre ei nu sunt chiar frumosi, insa numai cand te gandesti ce fel erau, ignori imediat aspectul. Cel putin eu. :rolleyes:
There are old dogs and some of them were indeed not that great looking but when you think of the temperament they must have had, you forget about looks. Or at least I do :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 03, 2012, 11:49:27 AM
frate , jur ca nu-mi place nici unul....in primul rand nu halesc urechi rotunjite la un CG...ca d-aia ii zice caine-lup, sa aibe urechile erecte si ascutite CA ALE UNUI LUP. Unul are o ureche pleostita....pai ori vb de adevarati CG ori de compromisuri de gen: n-are nimic ca are o ureche moale sau cazuta ca e rau...pai asa si un pitbull e rau, de ce nu au luat un d-ala...in al treilea rand, ce e cu urechile alea departate asa una de alta, ca la urs...frate, un CG e un CG, trebuie sa se recunoasca si sa atraga atentia de la 1 km....nu sa puna problema: o fi metis cainele asta...hmmmm, s-ar putea. Nu contest ca sunt buni si combativi si rai...asa e si un caucazian, de ce nu au luat caucazieni daca au vrut DOAR SA FIE BUNI SI COMBATIVI SI RAI? Din astia 3 nu-mi place absolut niciunul , de nicio culoare. ce-mi place e doar faptul ca macar nu sunt niste pitici cu antebrate de basset :grin: DOAR ATAT.
Brother, I swer I don't like any of these dogs.. first of all I hate rounded ears on a GSD.. after all that's why we nick name them wolf-dog, that it has erect and pointy ears, same as those of a wolf. Are we talking genuine GS dogs or compromises.. you say it's no problem it has one ear down as long as it's hard in temperament.. well a pitbull is hard too, why didn't they get one of those then.. thirdly, why those ears that are so separated apart, bear-like.. bro, a GSD is a GSD, you should tell one from a great distance, as opposed to make you wonder whether it is a cross breed or not. They may be hard and tough and anything else.. but so is a Caucasian shepherd, why didn't they get some of those, for those reasons? Out of these three I like none, not at all. But then it's ok that they don't look like basset hounds :grin:. JUST THAT.
Muah.. ce te-ai suparat.. marmota off work this evening..? :grin: Boss, stii de ce-ti plac tie cainii astia CG old school? Tocmai pt ca in armata nu s-a tinut cont de o ureche mai nu stiu cum, blah blah.. ci temperamentul si da, au fost folositi si Caucazieni, am postat poze d-astea old cu asa ceva prin forum. Pitbulli erau cu precadere pt lupte cu animale, plus ca geografic, prin anii aia, erau (probabil) necunoscuti anyway. Admir pasinunea cu care ai postat dar iti scapa detaliul asta - CG-ii respectivi s-au aflat la baza cg-ului old school curent. Dar of cors, ai dreptul sa nu-ti placa :grin: :beer:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 03, 2012, 01:29:50 PM
Right. I'm just saying though, the CZ ones look darker (dark sable) and thicker I think, while the DDR ones are black n tan, most of them. But then again, many of the CZ dogs have East German dogs as foundational dogs.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on October 03, 2012, 10:36:58 PM
This last dog was very good looking. Not that the rest of them were not, but just saying...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 04, 2012, 02:00:04 AM
Brother, I swer I don't like any of these dogs.. first of all I hate rounded ears on a GSD.. after all that's why we nick name them wolf-dog, that it has erect and pointy ears, same as those of a wolf. Are we talking genuine GS dogs or compromises.. you say it's no problem it has one ear down as long as it's hard in temperament.. well a pitbull is hard too, why didn't they get one of those then.. thirdly, why those ears that are so separated apart, bear-like.. bro, a GSD is a GSD, you should tell one from a great distance, as opposed to make you wonder whether it is a cross breed or not. They may be hard and tough and anything else.. but so is a Caucasian shepherd, why didn't they get some of those, for those reasons? Out of these three I like none, not at all. But then it's ok that they don't look like basset hounds :grin:. JUST THAT.
Felicitari pentru cine a tradus...stiu ca probabil i-am dat cateva batai de cap cu anumite expresii, dar il/o rog sa ma inteleaga...eram dupa un eveniment unde s-au consumat mai multe lichide obtinute prin fermentarea diferitelor fructe, cereale, etc :laugh: si creierul, afectat fiind de aces proces de fermentatie al cerealelor, mi-a impus sa folosesc un limbaj mai colocvial...din pacate n-am putut sa-l contrazic :grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 04, 2012, 02:13:53 AM
Boss, stii de ce-ti plac tie cainii astia CG old school? Tocmai pt ca in armata nu s-a tinut cont de o ureche mai nu stiu cum, blah blah.. ci temperamentul si da, au fost folositi si Caucazieni, am postat poze d-astea old cu asa ceva prin forum. Pitbulli erau cu precadere pt lupte cu animale, plus ca geografic, prin anii aia, erau (probabil) necunoscuti anyway. Admir pasinunea cu care ai postat dar iti scapa detaliul asta - CG-ii respectivi s-au aflat la baza cg-ului old school curent. Dar of cors, ai dreptul sa nu-ti placa :grin: :beer:
Ai dreptate, dar, imi plac intr-o proportie suficient de mare si fizic (masivi, oase puternice, cap tipic old school, culoare specifica, urechi erecte, ferme, asezate corect, spate drept, lat, puternic, labe stranse, compacte, puternice, etc) incat daca vad un CG old care indeplineste DOAR criteriul agresivitatii, al temperamentului SI ATAT, sa nu ma incante absolut deloc, pentru ca sunt altii care le indeplinesc pe AMANDOUA. Pana la urma, parerea mea este ca la baza rasei au stat SI cainii pe care tocmai i-am descris eu mai sus...de ce nu i-as aprecia numai pe aia? Ideea este ca nu toti cainii care au trait de mult, ma refer la CG, sunt exceptionali (ma refer la temperament, ca fizic tocmai am vazut ca nu) si nu trebuie considerat orice exemplar vechi (ma refer la poze) ca si cum ar fi vreun monstru sacru al rasei, doar pentru ca a trait acum nu stiu cate sute de ani, sau zeci. (parerea mea). Adica, pe scurt, de ce mi-ar placea cele 3 exemplare de care am vorbit? doar pentru ca au trait in anul 1800 sa zicem si ca s-ar putea sa fi fost tari, ca asa erau cainii atunci? Pai uite, Ben al tau, a trait de curand si era si rau si frumos...si tot old school era si el. Daca cei trei "uratei" au stat la baza genetica a "Ben-ului" tau, el cum de a iesit frumos? (ma refer frumos in viziunea unui old-school-ist). Deci, concluzia mea este ca nu au de ce sa-mi placa cei trei caini din poza, au prea multe elemente care nu-mi plac si care nu cred ca plac in general. Imi plac "ceilalti" care au stat la baza formarii rasei, cei care sunt si frumosi (old school)...si slava Domnului, au fost extem de multi. Inca odata, tot ce afirm este doar parerea mea.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 04, 2012, 05:56:31 AM
oricum, ideea ta ti-am inteles-o perfect, dar eu nu mai vreau Logan frate, doar ca la baza are motorul de Renault care era bun si fiabil....! Vreau ca motorul ala bun si fiabil sa fie pus pe un Renault in toata regula, o Laguna spre exemplu. si astfel motorul ala bun de Renault e pus si intr-o masina frumoasa. ;) :beer: beer2
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 04, 2012, 06:47:54 AM
Aoleu boss ma ia capul :grin: ce ti-au facut astia la scoala?? :lol: Gata, ma dau batut, nu-ti place Logan, got it :beer: Nici mie nu-mi place sa ies cu un caine ca ala, deci, ca look nici mie nu-mi plac dar ma gandesc ca daca traiam la vremea aia, ii vedeam ca X5-ul timpului :cheesy: Atata tot ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 04, 2012, 08:38:45 AM
Gata, ma dau batut, nu-ti place Logan, got it :beer: Nici mie nu-mi place sa ies cu un caine ca ala, deci, ca look nici mie nu-mi plac dar ma gandesc ca daca traiam la vremea aia, ii vedeam ca X5-ul timpului :cheesy: Atata tot ;)
mama, de-ar fi toti infractorii ca tine...as fi cel mai bun politist ever... :grin: Lasand gluma la o parte, cum ar zice americanu' (ala mai golanas asa): I dig you ! beer2
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 04, 2012, 09:09:57 AM
:laugh: :laugh: ce mi-au facut, ce nu mi-au facut, inseamna ca si-au atins scopul... :grin:
...care este :lol:
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mama, de-ar fi toti infractorii ca tine...as fi cel mai bun politist ever... :grin: Lasand gluma la o parte, cum ar zice americanu' (ala mai golanas asa): I dig you ! beer2
Atunci, cum zice britanicu', "cheers mate" :cool:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 04, 2012, 09:21:16 AM
daca era "care este" nu mai aveai de ce sa te "aolesti" ;)
Pai nu, dar era perfect sa spui "ce mi-au facut, ce nu mi-au facut, inseamna ca si-a atins scopul..." :grin: De vreo 2 saptamani numai in de-astea ma balacesc, mi-e sa nu incep sa vorbesc si eu asa.. s-au se poate si m-ai rau :lol: pe langa I dig you, mai e si "you're down" :cool: Am fost la periferia orasului Tampa (Florida) intr-un cartier de "my man", tatuati si cu o privire de mo-fo in ochi, cred ca ti-ar fi placut sa este acolo :cool:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 04, 2012, 09:29:45 AM
... care este :lol:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 04, 2012, 09:35:28 AM
Am fost la periferia orasului Tampa (Florida) intr-un cartier de "my man", tatuati si cu o privire de mo-fo in ochi, cred ca ti-ar fi placut sa este acolo :cool:
Pai nu, dar era perfect sa spui "ce mi-au facut, ce nu mi-au facut, inseamna ca si-a atins scopul..." :grin: De vreo 2 saptamani numai in de-astea ma balacesc, mi-e sa nu incep sa vorbesc si eu asa.. s-au se poate si m-ai rau :lol: pe langa I dig you, mai e si "you're down" :cool: Am fost la periferia orasului Tampa (Florida) intr-un cartier de "my man", tatuati si cu o privire de mo-fo in ochi, cred ca ti-ar fi placut sa este acolo :cool:
:grin: ;) Hai ca e bine sa mai ai si cu cine sa fi subtil cateodata... ;) Ca de ..."restul" e plina lumea ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on October 04, 2012, 09:37:09 AM
Nu stiu de ce am impresia ca ai mai postat o poza cu asta micu'.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 04, 2012, 09:39:39 AM
Boss, subtile no-subtile, nu fac caterinca p-acilea ;) If you dig me, you dig a little bit of irony too :cool:
Aaa...no sweat...nu ma simt ironizat atata timp cat nu dau motive (cel putin pana acum...viitorul nu-l cunosc). I dig you and I'll dig also the "little bit of irony" when it will be appropriate to come...(not the case so far) ;) Deci, pa persoana fizica, cheers mate :devil:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 04, 2012, 09:48:50 AM
I'm surprised there can be a shotage of very good dogs, as you guys being in Europe.. Would of thought that wouldn't be so bad.. Imagine here in Australia what % has dropped, having Law Enforcement qaulity dogs..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 09, 2012, 10:05:12 AM
I'm surprised there can be a shotage of very good dogs, as you guys being in Europe.. Would of thought that wouldn't be so bad.. Imagine here in Australia what % has dropped, having Law Enforcement qaulity dogs..
We do have them around, but one has to look hard.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 09, 2012, 10:52:11 AM
Atleast they can be found after looking.. Here it's like keep searching..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 09, 2012, 02:35:06 PM
As i had mentioned in another post, this dog here above has inherited that typical build you will see coming from Held v Ritterberg.. Its the underchest development with that masculine head which makes it so appealing in my view..!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 11, 2012, 04:34:35 AM
Bob von der Neptungrotte Line breeding
C - Litter from vom Marderpfahl(Condor-Cora) 4-5 Ex vom Riedstern 5,5-4,5,5
In großen Rahmen und mittlerem Frormat stehender, robuster Rüde mit betont männlichem Gepräge und gut gewinkelter und bemuskelter Hinterhand, der sich sehr gut entwickelt hat. Die Rute sollte korrekter getragen werden. Freie, schwungvolle Bewegungen mit kraftvollen Aktionen. Vatertyp. Sicheres Wesen, Härte, Mut und Kampftrieb ausgeprägt; läßt ab.
Farbe: grau
In large scale and medium Frormat standing, sturdy dog with a male character and emphasizes well angulated and muscled hindquarters, which has developed very well. The tail should be worn correctly. Free, powerful movements with powerful actions. Father type. Safe nature, hardness, courage and combat impulse pronouncedly;.
Color: gray
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 11, 2012, 04:49:02 AM
Bob von der Neptungrotte FH PSH3 SchH.3 IP3 brought in to usa for Mary Coppage I do not think she kept Bob long she was not pleased with what she bred from him. But Mary likes conformation and also mixed bloodlines like all the rest of the people did then. They did not want to have more of what the dogs were just what they think they were improving so it fails when you do not breed the same way these dogs were breed. She sold Bob to another women who told me Bob was the best dog but guess what she failed at producing anything close to him or what he could have.Why?? Mixing the bloodlines. Bob is unique as there were only a few ddr dogs with the bloodline from the kennel Busecker Schloß. Bob has this line from Lärry vom Nordplatz . One other thing there is frozen semen on Bob but you will never see anything good or old or clones cause after all these years people still have not learned how to breed the east german lines
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 11, 2012, 05:52:48 AM
Seems like I read the same story over and over again, about how DDR dogs were bred once they got into American hands. In a funny yet stupid way, I bet they fell into the hands of women because of their actual good looks (thick bone, pigment, expression etc) and needless to say such people were judging / promoting dogs mostly based on looks. If I'm not wrong, they bred the crap out of Neumann's J dogs to American show line bitches. In short, looks and looks and looks...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 11, 2012, 06:02:22 AM
Thanks very much John for the info on Bob... Seems like 1 of many wasted genes, not enough trial and error where.. Combining DDR blood as you said John, just like it had been for more than two and half decades or more.. This dog should of been utilised more like Bero v Friedershofer Flur was.. Looks will always bring in business, in most area's where $$$$$$ need to be made..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 11, 2012, 06:10:17 AM
Not sure it was money "Ignorance ,stubbornness and just thinking you can improve the breed" Every person breeding dogs think they can do two things :laugh: Breed Police Dogs and Improve the breed"
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 11, 2012, 06:13:56 AM
Not sure it was money "Ignorance ,stubbornness and just thinking you can improve the breed" Every person breeding dogs think they can do two things :laugh: Breed Police Dogs and Improve the breed"
It's easy to note they are the wrong individuals to actually breed this breed of dogs; "Frisby competition champion" and such.. makes me sick to my stomach, don't know if I should laugh or cry...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 11, 2012, 06:23:11 AM
Talk about Neptun, check out one of his grandsons, 40 kilos on him, 65 cm at withers
Mary Coppage brought in Jim then turned Jim over to a AKC show handler :laugh: to have Jim gain AKC show titles. In this time Jim was bred to any owner who had money in hand.You would find these breeding on PDB. I still get phone calls from people asking if i have any of the bloodline cause they had it but they had half AKC
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on October 11, 2012, 07:04:01 AM
Hope that Reg doesn't mind if I answer in his place, that's a fine looking dog that I've seen some time ago on the PDB, named Armando Whisky (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=518004).
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 11, 2012, 07:09:33 AM
Dani this 100%DDR Armando Whisky which we had here over 25 years ago.. He is in Casso's paternal side (MAd MAxx) multiple times inthe first 5 generations.. THis dog is Out of Don v Trafalga and another imported bitch from the mid 70's.. In actual fact Dani, in Casso's bloodline he has all the progeny out of DDR Don v Tragfalga, i have no papers to prove it.. But have a solid conditioned 41 kg Bi Colour male that looks and behaves 'OLD SCHOOL'
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 11, 2012, 07:10:49 AM
Hope that Reg doesn't mind if I answer in his place, that's a fine looking dog that I've seen some time ago on the PDB, named Armando Whisky (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=518004).
Dont be silly i always respect your's and Dani's assistance.. ;)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 11, 2012, 07:14:31 AM
Mary Coppage brought in Jim then turned Jim over to a AKC show handler :laugh: to have Jim gain AKC show titles. In this time Jim was bred to any owner who had money in hand.You would find these breeding on PDB. I still get phone calls from people asking if i have any of the bloodline cause they had it but they had half AKC
Yes i noticed, even on working-dig one can easily seen the dog was bred to so many no-name type bitches... what a shame!!
Dani this 100%DDR Armando Whisky which we had here over 25 years ago..
Well, it's a fine picture that's for sure! :)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 11, 2012, 07:15:49 AM
Thara, do you think we should merge "old school" and DDR topics..? :think:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 11, 2012, 07:16:36 AM
And Dani i actually put that profile pic, as i knew you would like it..Great rare markings for DDR i say.. He was a pretty naturally sharp dog apparently..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 11, 2012, 07:19:01 AM
Believe me I so wish we had actual footage of all these dogs who were "apparently" sharp dogs... Talk about sharp dogs, I just met someone with an old school dog.. man, believe me that's some dog, huge, good looking and boy is it sharp!! I will get some video soon, I got the owner's phone number.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 11, 2012, 07:23:00 AM
Thats the way to do it Dani, the video can show plenty..More than any paperwork. If the dog is worthy you might consider using it..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 11, 2012, 07:26:52 AM
If the dog is worthy you might consider using it..
Oh believe me I wanted to do that for some 2 years but didn't know how to locate the owner. The dog is AWESOME, an alligator, a handsome alligator that is!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 11, 2012, 07:38:49 AM
Get those genetics in some straws and ship em over... ;)
Oh believe me I wanted to do that for some 2 years but didn't know how to locate the owner. The dog is AWESOME, an alligator, a handsome alligator that is!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on October 11, 2012, 07:39:39 AM
if the DDR breeding programme was utilised to its full potential..!
You know, I was thinking... One could say "the DDR dogs are crap, stop blaming things on people not knowing how to breed them" and so what i do next, I look at West dogs; the fault ratio seems lower, much lower and then it hits me - that's actually because issues are well covered/hidden by tons of prey drive. Apart form some Yoschi and Troll dogs, I see many, many problems in West dogs. I am not putting them all in one big pot, but reality speaks throughout the years. So I guess the answer is the one John always gives, it's all to do with genetics!! Every now and again terrific pups spring out form a no-name breeding and one could say "oh, it's the dog in front of you".. but if it was like that, then it would be ever so easy to produce good dogs, with pin point precision, wouldn't it.. I think the good looks of a typical east GS dog are to blame for the current state, as people with an eye for looks got their hands on them and produced looks out of them and only that.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 12, 2012, 01:53:54 PM
Good Medium, dry, solid dog with a good angled front and hind quarters, expansive aisles, pulling the kidneys slightly, being sure fighting instinct, courage and clarity pronounced ...
Shoulder height Chest depth Chest circumference Weight 64 cm / 25.2 in 31 cm / 12.2 in 84 cm / 33.1 in 43.0 kg / 94.8 lbs
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 12, 2012, 03:31:29 PM
With these measurments on Bernd vom Lierberg, it shows that he was fairly built and solid.. In comparison to the Berry vom Christelas son, who was 37 kg and less chest depth and circumferance.. Would of liked to see the measurments on Titus Pohranicni straze, looked like he had solid MASS...! Any chance you have those John ?? :)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 09:04:59 PM
43 KG... :shocked: yep, he was a powerful dog.. in the picture he seems to be a somewhat smaller dog. 65 cm withers height is the limit, he is 64.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 14, 2012, 08:17:11 PM
43 KG... :shocked: yep, he was a powerful dog.. in the picture he seems to be a somewhat smaller dog. 65 cm withers height is the limit, he is 64.
Must of been a tall German taking the photo.. :grin: This gives the impression that he is short, but Bernd did have approx 10% more weight than the majority of dogs.. What i notice is that the majority of males these days are 37 - 38 kg..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 14, 2012, 08:22:36 PM
True, even East bloodline dogs are lighter nowadays :cheesy: Hmm.. I just realized I did not weigh Hun at all lately, will do that soon.
Dani have you weighed Hun by any chance, also how tall is he approx ?
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 08:05:03 PM
There is a video which was posted on line 10 days ago.. It shows a grieving dog (GSD) guarding its dead canine companion.. Filippovka, in the perm region of Russia.. Looks very old school and differant, Russians know how to breed there dogs...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 17, 2012, 10:14:14 PM
The Russians kept the old type thinking and have not been that affected (YET) by the European FCI/SV mentality. BUT, even the Russians are now looking into using more show bloodlines and west working lines.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 10:56:37 PM
I guess the majority are being sheep and following all other's..Good to some degree i guess.. But there's got to be a handful of breeders who would focus on more traditional hard dogs..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 17, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
I guess the majority are being sheep and following all other's..Good to some degree i guess..
That is exactly how I "dumped" the old school blood (Ben) because I was told "we need to do what the Germans do". Otherwise, today a Ben progeny would be by my foot... :undecided:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 18, 2012, 12:03:15 AM
That is exactly how I "dumped" the old school blood (Ben) because I was told "we need to do what the Germans do". Otherwise, today a Ben progeny would be by my foot... :undecided:
Must be some K9'S around the area, Dani you mentioned some dog in the area, i think when you were walking Nala or some other time.. You said its tough 'old school' kind of dog.. Like to see that on video..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 18, 2012, 12:12:34 AM
Must be some K9'S around the area, Dani you mentioned some dog in the area, i think when you were walking Nala or some other time.. You said its tough 'old school' kind of dog.. Like to see that on video..
Oh yes sir, there is cheese around.. ssssssst :cool:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 18, 2012, 04:43:20 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 20, 2012, 01:04:14 PM
Cum am promis, cand vad CG old school si am cum, filmez. Din vorba in vorba mi-am dat seama ca ma cunosc cu baiatul care era cu cainii la plimbare. Sper sa va placa ce vedeti, cateaua e chiar frumoasa foc.
OK guys I promised I would post videos of old school dogs I may come across, I hope you like what you see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b_TDJJo2Og
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on October 20, 2012, 01:09:35 PM
De-ar fi toate filmarile cu caini HD...
Masculul seamana cu Steve, si la fata si la constitutie.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 20, 2012, 01:16:30 PM
Daca va permite timpul, poate executam si un manson ceva...
:rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 23, 2012, 09:28:33 AM
fostul meu cg care acum ar fi avut 14 ani...a plecat de acasa dupa femele in calduri, a trecut prin niste garduri si a sapat niste transee pe care eu va dau cuvantul meu ca nu as fi putut sa le deschid/sap. A trecut prin curtile mai multor vecini, total indiferent fata de cainii acestora care latrau la el ca la urs. Si nu s-a mai intors. De luat nu cred ca l-a luat nimeni, slabise mult si il dureu oasele, schiopata....era un caine care a trait numai in curte si pe care l-am crescut de la 2 luni. Nu a luat bataie de la niciun caine niciodata in viata lui dar a batut pe multi, nu puteam sa-l desclestez de pe ei...lucru care banuiesc ca i-a adus sfarsitul (tinand cont de numarul de caini care sunt pe langa o catea incalduri si de orgoliul lui neranit niciodata) pentru ca daca l-au pus jos nu cred ca a mai putut sa se ridice. Scuzati calitatea imaginilor, sunt singurele poze pe care le mai am, sunt de pe un telefon mai vechi cu rezolutie mica. Dar sun absolut sigur ca se vede...structura... :rockon: Varful urechii i-a fost muscat de alt caine cu care se juca cand era mic si care il tragea numai de urechea respectiva. Ceea ce se pare ca i-a cauzat, nemairidicand varful
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on October 23, 2012, 09:38:34 AM
Frumos! In a doua poza se vede cel mai bine.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 23, 2012, 09:48:24 AM
era, multumesc...bine, nu era chiar asa deschis la masca, dar batea soarele chiar pe fata lui si dadea impresia ca nu are masca
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 23, 2012, 11:24:50 AM
Caine, frate, caine!.....
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 23, 2012, 11:04:26 PM
Dani just seen the footage of the 'old school' dogs and they look original, especially the Male in looks and character.. He is naturally suspicious and seems like he will stand his ground in a real life confrontation, and had a very musceled masculine body on him.. Also like the photo's AXX Police tracker posted, thats also 1 original type of classic GSD..! :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 24, 2012, 07:03:37 AM
da...dominant....se repezea de pe trotuar cand ma plimbam cu el la autobuzele care treceau pe sosea...plus ca daca venea cineva din fata trebuia sa trec pe trotuarul celalalt...l-am luat odata cu mine cand lucram la OP si latra incontinuu la orice, iesea lumea pe geam sa ma reclame :grin:...am oprit sa legitimez un tip si s-a aplecat la el sa vorbeasca cu el (era putin "vesel") si i-a dat cu botnita drept in gat. Daca nu ar fi avut botnita cred ca acum va scriam din puscarie :lol: mai ales ca era cainele meu personal nu un caine politist...tipul apoi a facut scandal, am chemat duba de politie si cand s-au dat jos politistii din duba, ei nestiind ca este cainele meu personal au trecut pe langa el si i-a sarit unuia in piept :grin: a fost ultima data cand l-am mai luat. As renunta la jumatate din lucrurile din viata mea doar sa-l mai am odata... :cry: A prins odata 3 maidanezi, si fugea dupa toti, unul l-a prins de gat si nu i-a mai dat drumul decat cand l-am luat la bataie..lesinase "nefericitul"...(nu il incurajam la batai cu alti caini pentru ca stiam ca ii omoara). Oricum cainele era mult mai frumos decat in pozele astea, pozele sunt vechi si necalitative, avea un pigment mult mai frumos.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 24, 2012, 07:15:33 AM
@ Manstopper - yes sir, those two dogs are purely old school material, both in structure and temperament :rockon:
@ Axx - da boss, stiu ce si cum gandesti, asa gandesc eu despre Ben...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 24, 2012, 08:27:25 AM
@ Manstopper - yes sir, those two dogs are purely old school material, both in structure and temperament :rockon:
Man if you could use the Male on some bitch thats sharp herself, this would be good to see what results you get.. That dog will bite you i believe, and i dont think it will be out of self preservation.. He just has this serious intention about him, that civil edge...! :devil:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on October 30, 2012, 08:24:18 AM
N-am idee cine e cainele, mi-a placut insa cum arata. (http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/oldschool-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 30, 2012, 08:39:03 AM
Da, old school.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: VINCENT on October 30, 2012, 09:16:31 AM
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da...dominant....se repezea de pe trotuar cand ma plimbam cu el la autobuzele care treceau pe sosea...plus ca daca venea cineva din fata trebuia sa trec pe trotuarul celalalt...l-am luat odata cu mine cand lucram la OP si latra incontinuu la orice, iesea lumea pe geam sa ma reclame :grin:...am oprit sa legitimez un tip si s-a aplecat la el sa vorbeasca cu el (era putin "vesel") si i-a dat cu botnita drept in gat. Daca nu ar fi avut botnita cred ca acum va scriam din puscarie :lol: mai ales ca era cainele meu personal nu un caine politist...tipul apoi a facut scandal, am chemat duba de politie si cand s-au dat jos politistii din duba, ei nestiind ca este cainele meu personal au trecut pe langa el si i-a sarit unuia in piept :grin: a fost ultima data cand l-am mai luat. As renunta la jumatate din lucrurile din viata mea doar sa-l mai am odata... :cry: A prins odata 3 maidanezi, si fugea dupa toti, unul l-a prins de gat si nu i-a mai dat drumul decat cand l-am luat la bataie..lesinase "nefericitul"...(nu il incurajam la batai cu alti caini pentru ca stiam ca ii omoara). Oricum cainele era mult mai frumos decat in pozele astea, pozele sunt vechi si necalitative, avea un pigment mult mai frumos.
In "96 eram militar in termen si imi amintesc ca mersesem sa facem niste lucrari genistice in poligon.Pe acolo se propasisera o gramada de caini,printre ei era si o catea in calduri.A aparut de undeva un cg care a inceput sa o curteze, ceilalti masculi faceau spume imprejurul lui dar nici nu-i baga in seama.Asta pana cand unul din ei a facut o greseala fatala si l-a ciupit.L-a inhatat de gat si il tara ca pe o soseta, desi era un caine mare.Soldatii au sarit sa-l scape si nu vreti sa stiti cate lopeti i-au dat pe spinare...nici vorba sa lase, il taraia in continuare pe dulau.Intr-un final, a venit stapanul cainelui, un mosnegut, si l-a desclestat.Dulaul, in afara de cateva picaturi de sange pe blana, nu avea nimic.L-am intrebat pe mos cum de l-a omorat, dat fiind ca il prinsese bine si a trecut ceva timp pana a venit el.Stiti ce mi-a raspuns?:"E batran, saracul, nu prea mai are dinti!"
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 30, 2012, 09:18:13 AM
Vincent, sper ca e ok, am bagat eu citat, pt ca ghilimele alea mai mult induc in eroare, cred.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: VINCENT on October 30, 2012, 09:24:01 AM
Nici o problema, eu sunt cam slab in utilizarea pc-ului!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 30, 2012, 10:04:07 AM
In "96 eram militar in termen si imi amintesc ca mersesem sa facem niste lucrari genistice in poligon.Pe acolo se propasisera o gramada de caini,printre ei era si o catea in calduri.A aparut de undeva un cg care a inceput sa o curteze, ceilalti masculi faceau spume imprejurul lui dar nici nu-i baga in seama.Asta pana cand unul din ei a facut o greseala fatala si l-a ciupit.L-a inhatat de gat si il tara ca pe o soseta, desi era un caine mare.Soldatii au sarit sa-l scape si nu vreti sa stiti cate lopeti i-au dat pe spinare...nici vorba sa lase, il taraia in continuare pe dulau.Intr-un final, a venit stapanul cainelui, un mosnegut, si l-a desclestat.Dulaul, in afara de cateva picaturi de sange pe blana, nu avea nimic.L-am intrebat pe mos cum de l-a omorat, dat fiind ca il prinsese bine si a trecut ceva timp pana a venit el.Stiti ce mi-a raspuns?:"E batran, saracul, nu prea mai are dinti!"
cu replica asta de aducere aminte nu mi-am facut decat rau... :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: VINCENT on October 30, 2012, 10:29:20 AM
Eu muream daca incasam atatea lopeti cate a luat cainele ala!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: dux on October 30, 2012, 11:59:20 AM
am spus-o si o mai spun de zeci de ori .ciobanestii germani de linie veche erau cei mai buni caini.cei din liniile moderne sunt la mare distanta. In 84 il aveam pe rex.va povestesc doua faze. In 85 eram cu rex intr-o zona unde se construiau niste blocuri.asta in orasul Moinesti.Zona era ingradita cu garduri din tabla sa nu se vada in interior.In interior se sapa la fundatii cu detinuti. M-am uitat pe langa panourile de gard si am vazut un militian cu un caine.Fiind innebunit dupa caini am intrat in vorba cu el.Mi-am facut ,,intrarea''spunand ca am si eu un frate la Militie.Aia a fost cartea mea de vizita.Militianul m-a intrebat ce stie cainele sa faca.Sa-l impresionez l-am pus pe Rex sa mearga taras vreo 10 m dupa care i-am dat comanda sa sara un gard de aproape 2 metri.Rex era tatic la asa ceva.Dupa aceea veneam zilnic pe acolo.Intr-o zi i-am propus militianului sa facem un test.L-am rugat sa caute un detinut care sa vrea sa se bata cu Rex.Bineinteles cu conditia ca acesta sa aibe botnita.Militianul a gasit un detinut doritor pentru o astfel de treaba.L-am luat pe Rex de zgarda si i-am dat comanda.Rex cand ataca cu botnita era ca o bestie.Efectiv horcaia cand se batea.L-a izbit pe puscarias in abdomen iar acesta la prins de cap.Atunci botnita s-a largit pana cand maxilarul a iesit si la muscat.Puscariasul a inceput sa urle si imediat l-am oprit din atac.Si o alta faza pe cand eram in clasa a XI a.Aveam un coleg care facea handbal.Avea cam 1,85 m.Era mare iubitor de cainii.A pus pariu cu mine ca se bate cu Rex.Bineinteles cu botnita.Ne-am dus pe un teren viran si am trecut la treaba.Aceeasi chestie.L-am pus pe Rex fata in fata cu tipu.Cand s-a aruncat in el l-a lovit cu botnita direct in fata.A cazut pe spate.Nu a mai vrut sa continue.Asta era Rexu meu.Si mai erau ca el in oras.Asta era ciobanescul german pe vremuri.Acum s-a ajuns pana acolo incat multi proproietari(ma refer la cei de show) se bucura daca cainii lor promoveaza o simpla proba de manson exersata de nenumarate ori sau daca latra la oameni straini.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sorin on October 30, 2012, 12:01:24 PM
tipul asta de caine il vreau si eu in curte!! dar se pare ca nu-l mai gasim asa usor.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 30, 2012, 12:04:12 PM
Ata ete... vorbim de cainii din trecut... citesc si ma napadesc si pe mine amintirile cu Ben, in mare parte deja narate prin forum.. Provocarea mea este insa, sa incercam (cum doreste si John) sa aducem din nou in imagine tipul vechi de caine, cat de cat. De drive si pigment se tot umple lumea CCG-ului si in cativa ani de zile o sa ne uitam doar la poze cu caini adevarati, probabil de-aia imi place sa caut si sa postez si eu poze cu caini old school si DDR, oarecum ma simt atras de cg-ul "clasic" sau, ceea ce ar trebui sa fie un CG.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on October 30, 2012, 12:58:36 PM
Sunt alte orizonturi acum. Oamenii vor un caine doar ca sa miste cineva prin casa/curte, sa aiba cu cine iesi la o plimbare in parc, sa mai fie, practic, cineva care sa umple un timp acolo in familie. Ori e bagat in sport si aici iarasi e vorba de un timp umplut, se investesc niste bani, si pentru ce? Hobby. Deci, cainelui nu i se mai vede/cauta o utilitate acum.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 30, 2012, 09:27:01 PM
Been having problem translating the last few weeks, would of liked to know what dux said.. I value his knowledge..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on October 31, 2012, 12:25:10 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on October 31, 2012, 01:35:28 AM
mama da' ce le-ai gasit :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on October 31, 2012, 02:09:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUPzJe0b2z0
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on October 31, 2012, 08:53:54 PM
Like these old classic type footage, and the other Pohranicni part II clip shows one thick Sable Male they had.. He's what you would need, to bring a heavy guy down..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on November 01, 2012, 01:23:11 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on November 02, 2012, 04:44:03 AM
Bun, pentru ca sunt cu sutele si mi-este imposibil sa le postez in forum pe toate, am creat un album special si va las sa va delectati cu ele. Il voi mai updata atunci cand pot. Daca gasiti vreo poza care va place, sunteti liberi sa o postati si aici sau unde doriti. Deci, restul pozelor le gasiti AICI (https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/107780892217242464079/albums/5805800684128354369).
Because it's impossible for me to post them all, you can find the rest of the photos HERE (https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/107780892217242464079/albums/5805800684128354369).
Eu mai pun doua care-mi plac la nebunie (mai corect spus, imi place cainele la nebunie).
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on November 02, 2012, 06:52:06 AM
The last couple photo's are those of solid blacks, out of 300 or so photo's .. There wasn't many all black dogs, but many were Bi colour and those also with markings similar to Lord Gliedstreick..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on November 02, 2012, 10:00:07 AM
The last couple photo's are those of solid blacks, out of 300 or so photo's .. There wasn't many all black dogs, but many were Bi colour and those also with markings similar to Lord Gliedstreick..
yeah, I noted that too, in these pictures..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Sandokan on November 02, 2012, 01:01:18 PM
Scoala veche cat incape :rockon: (http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh597/zorban2/PhotoShare9.png)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on November 02, 2012, 01:49:53 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 04, 2012, 10:19:29 AM
John this is like torture You know, these dogs were the real thing as far as GSD's. I am so glad I thought of the "Old School" topic, let alone the terms. IF ONLY we could bring these dogs back...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on December 04, 2012, 10:37:45 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 04, 2012, 11:17:59 AM
Could it be that the need for such dogs is not the same as it was back in the 80's, that led to the quality drop in GS dogs (combined with the west show lines demands of the times)? The modern GS dog is miles away from what these dogs were.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on December 04, 2012, 11:26:38 AM
Could it be that the need for such dogs is not the same as it was back in the 80's, that led to the quality drop in GS dogs (combined with the west show lines demands of the times)? The modern GS dog is miles away from what these dogs were.
The money $$$$
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on December 04, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
In 2005 cand s-a desfiintat scoala de la Ciorani,Dixi a fost transferat la Constanta.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 04, 2012, 12:12:55 PM
In 2005 nu eram in tzara, altfel Dixi intra in obiectivul planurilor si camerei video.. E nasoala treaba, se duc cainii astia cu totul..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: dux on December 04, 2012, 12:18:47 PM
Cainele a fost dresat de Catalin Cornea.La vremea aceea facea armata acolo.In 2009 a venit pe la mine si am mers amandoi sa-l vedem.Dupa 11 ani.A fost o intalnire,,lacrimogena''.Rar ai ocazia sa asisti la asa ceva.Cainele aproape ca orbise.Pe Catalin doar il mirosea.Dupa nicio saptamana Dixi a murit.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 04, 2012, 12:23:15 PM
Da stiu, e clipul pe net, a fost postat si prin forum.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on December 04, 2012, 12:59:14 PM
Nu stiu sigur daca e in forum aici... Oricum, pentru cei care nu l-au vazut, il re-postez. Jos palaria! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S31NIkD4FQ
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on December 04, 2012, 01:19:53 PM
OMG !!! Looks like my Maya. The colour, head, ears, mask, bone structure...is identical. Cool picture.
Sangele old school frate... La Pol de Frontiera aici este o catea de la Ciorani, batranica.. o sa merg sa o filmez mai prin primavara. Seamana cu Bo Jetta a lui John, robusta, frumoasa. Sunt convins ca os a-ti placa.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on December 05, 2012, 10:52:39 AM
:rockon: sa stii. Eu unul il respect infinit, pentru ca STIU si VAD ce inseamna.
Hehe.. am stitu eu ca topicul old school o sa-si aiba locul meritat in forumul asta, dincolo de FCI-uri, SV-uri blah blah.. cine a vazut si cunoscut ce e un old school, ramane forever pasionat de asa ceva.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on December 05, 2012, 11:00:23 AM
Hehe.. am stitu eu ca topicul old school o sa-si aiba locul meritat in forumul asta, dincolo de FCI-uri, SV-uri blah blah.. cine a vazut si cunoscut ce e un old school, ramane forever pasionat de asa ceva.
ca bine le mai zici frate :beer:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 05, 2012, 11:09:07 AM
:beer:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on December 05, 2012, 01:15:47 PM
tu ma crezi ca si eu tot pe astea le-am remarcat cel mai mult? :grin: bine, toate sunt bestiale, numai "old school-i" de la mama lor, adevarati titani, caini originali si care poarta in ei gandurile si idealurile lui von Stephanitz, dar astea doua mi-au atras atentia mai mult decat celelalte. Cel putin femela asta m-a dat pe spate ce expresie si ce forma are.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 08, 2012, 09:40:29 AM
Pai of cors ca te cred, uita-te si tu ce exemplare faine...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 13, 2012, 03:19:18 AM
Un clip scurt cu un old school, un caine de care dux spune ca e tipic cainele vechi, un caine sigur pe el. Cateaua care apare in cadru e Iara. Am vrut sa o filmez si pe ea la lucru dar imi inghetasera degetele. O voi filma alta data.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AolcdyJ9b4w
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on December 13, 2012, 03:32:26 AM
e frumos foc, masiv, inalt, arata bine de tot.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 13, 2012, 03:39:24 AM
Stai pe-aproape ca voi posta un old school la sectia dresaj, sa vezi ce e aia caine de real, care n-are nicio treaba cu echipamentul de protectie. Acum se incarca clipul..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 15, 2012, 04:32:54 PM
Am mai primit niste poze cu un old school de la Ciorani in varsta de 12 ani si ceva..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on December 15, 2012, 04:40:28 PM
Frumos exemplarul, l-am vazut recent pe FB!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 15, 2012, 04:41:05 PM
Da, aduce a Don R sau Cliff Geraufer
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 16, 2012, 12:27:17 AM
...si un clip cu acelasi caine (multumim dnului Nicu Patroi pt imagini si clip)
http://youtu.be/EiVjX9YeLkw
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on December 16, 2012, 04:16:43 AM
cu el vreau sa fac insamantare artificiala cu Maya...el sau masculul de la penitenciar. Ambii sunt 100% old school din TOATE punctele de vedere. Maya tot sange de Ciorani are si vreau sa scot numai pui old school (chiar daca multi care vor un CG nu cunosc acest aspect)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 16, 2012, 04:28:50 AM
Omule nu-i asa simplu.. dar intr-un final lucrurile se rezuma la genetica si noroc. Doar pt ca montezi masculul x (indiferent de provenienta) cu femela y (indiferent de provenienta) nimic nu-ti garanteaza catei beton mai mult decat genetica. Deci, cu asta in minte, mult succes iti doresc!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on December 16, 2012, 04:53:38 AM
Omule nu-i asa simplu.. dar intr-un final lucrurile se rezuma la genetica si noroc. Doar pt ca montezi masculul x (indiferent de provenienta) cu femela y (indiferent de provenienta) nimic nu-ti garanteaza catei beton mai mult decat genetica. Deci, cu asta in minte, mult succes iti doresc!
eu nu sunt crescator...nu vreau catei "mai buni sau mai nu stiu cum" decat parintii". Dar cel putin cat ei. Eu am doar o femela de CG old school pe care vreau sa o montez doar cu un mascul old school (nu inseamna ca cu orice old school). Eu alte interese de linii, nume, cuiburi, nu am pentru ca repet, nu sunt crescator si nu am nici acte. Stiu doar ca ambii caini au sange de Ciorani si pentru mine (la ce asteptari am) e perfect si suficient.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on December 16, 2012, 05:05:31 AM
eu nu sunt crescator...nu vreau catei "mai buni sau mai nu stiu cum" decat parintii". Dar cel putin cat ei. Eu am doar o femela de CG old school pe care vreau sa o montez doar cu un mascul old school (nu inseamna ca cu orice old school). Eu alte interese de linii, nume, cuiburi, nu am pentru ca repet, nu sunt crescator si nu am nici acte. Stiu doar ca ambii caini au sange de Ciorani si pentru mine (la ce asteptari am) e perfect si suficient.
:) N-are legatura cu ce spun eu dar ma rog, tu sti cel mai bine ce cauti, ce asteptari ai etc.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: hora on January 14, 2013, 01:00:50 AM
Stateam si ma gandeam intr-o zi daca n-ar fi interesant sa incerce cineva sa omologheze o noua rasa pe baza cg de linie veche. Sa o ia efectiv de la inceput, cu toate etapele omologarii unei rase. Desigur este o munca titanica, dar cred ca tocmai asta ar fi interesant. Asa discutam pe ceea ce au facut altii si suntem nemultumiti de rezultat, desi e rasa lor. Nu suna bine "Caine-lup romanesc"? Ideea mi-a venit vazand cati cg de linie veche sunt in orasul unde locuiesc. Sunt caini care arata foarte bine, au fost selectati preponderent pe caracter ( sa fie rai, buni la paza, etc) si, mai ales, foarte bine ingrijiti. Cred ca o mana priceputa ar putea sa scoata ceva interesant din ei. Ar fi super tare: cainele-lup romanesc cu nr.1 inscris in COR!
Ps.Poate va suna aberanta ideea, dar what a hek!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: istvan on January 14, 2013, 01:40:09 AM
E interesant cum stau unii si se gandesc ce ar fi daca ? Ce ar fi daca SV-ul ar denumi ciobanescul german de show cocosat german ?
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on January 14, 2013, 01:43:17 AM
Stateam si ma gandeam intr-o zi daca n-ar fi interesant sa incerce cineva sa omologheze o noua rasa pe baza cg de linie veche. Sa o ia efectiv de la inceput, cu toate etapele omologarii unei rase. Desigur este o munca titanica, dar cred ca tocmai asta ar fi interesant. Asa discutam pe ceea ce au facut altii si suntem nemultumiti de rezultat, desi e rasa lor. Nu suna bine "Caine-lup romanesc"? Ideea mi-a venit vazand cati cg de linie veche sunt in orasul unde locuiesc. Sunt caini care arata foarte bine, au fost selectati preponderent pe caracter ( sa fie rai, buni la paza, etc) si, mai ales, foarte bine ingrijiti. Cred ca o mana priceputa ar putea sa scoata ceva interesant din ei. Ar fi super tare: cainele-lup romanesc cu nr.1 inscris in COR!
Ps.Poate va suna aberanta ideea, dar what a hek!
Cainele lup romanesc.. nu aberatie dar nici ailalta, zic eu.. Eu mai degraba as introduce cainii "vechi" printr-un document din partea FCI, in "circuit". DAR, asta nu se va intampla pt ca sunt facute cartile de ani buni de zile acolo la "mama lor" si daca banii curg, de ce sa schimbe ceva. Este exact la fel ca in politica, ce vedem, la stiri in mod regulat.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on January 14, 2013, 02:01:06 AM
Asta ar insemna ca nu va mai fi vorba de Ciobanesc German, ci de o rasa diferita. Iar cainii "vechi" nu exista doar la noi in Romania. Mai exista si prin alte parti exemplare de CG fara acte, care apartin de asa-numita linie "veche". Dar personal as spune ca nu orice aparent CG fara acte si cu spatele drept ar merita sa aiba acte si sa reproduca. Sunt multe exemplare care arata asa, le gasesti de cumparat si-n targ la o adica - dar nu ai nici o garantie ca e ce trebuie in afara de faptul ca e negru cu maro si are urechi ridicate. Cred ca solutia ideala ar fi cea descrisa de Ben, sa fie introdusi in "circuit" de catre FCI dar si in cazul acesta, ar trebui o mare atentie la ce caini s-ar introduce. Cred ca e ceva foarte greu de realizat tocmai datorita faptului ca nu se stie ce au "in spate" multi dintre cainii astia, nu ai nici o garantie ca nu s-a strecurat vreun metis in urma cu cateva generatii, spre exemplu. Iar varianta "caine-lup romanesc" nu mi se pare o idee buna. Asa exista deja Ciobanesc Est European (http://canisa-zimbris.ro/forum/index.php?topic=694.msg28207#msg28207) - dar si acolo sunt hibe. Asta este parerea mea...
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on January 14, 2013, 03:49:24 AM
Poti sa creezi zece derivate din CG, caci daca mentalitatea omului nu se va schimba, toate aceste presupuse rase vor ajunge basculante de alergat in ring. Cainele este prietenul omului, dar acel prieten care face serviciu pentru prietenul sau, si nu doar doarme in pat cu el. Pentru asa ceva, se poate cumpara unul de plus, asta in caz ca nu esti alergic la acarieni.
Crescatorul care monteaza dupa aspect daca ar ramane cu puii de la un cuib, doua, trei, patruzeci si noua, poate se va gandi sa monteze cu cap. Dar problema nu e doar la ei, ci si de la solicitant vine. S-a infiltrat marketingul si business-ul in rasa.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on January 14, 2013, 04:13:20 AM
Cainele lup romanesc.. nu aberatie dar nici ailalta, zic eu.. Eu mai degraba as introduce cainii "vechi" printr-un document din partea FCI, in "circuit". DAR, asta nu se va intampla pt ca sunt facute cartile de ani buni de zile acolo la "mama lor" si daca banii curg, de ce sa schimbe ceva. Este exact la fel ca in politica, ce vedem, la stiri in mod regulat.
din pacate e....exact :Sad:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: hora on January 14, 2013, 04:18:39 AM
Nu este imposibil sa introduci caini in circuit. Trebuie selectati riguros, facute un numar de monte de proba, se vezi ce da si, daca e ok, se da verde. Oricum, cei care studiaza zootehnia, stiu mai bine ce ar fi de facut. Problema e, intr-adevar, ca nu se doreste acest lucru. Probabil ca intr-un tarziu rasa ori se va prabusi complet, SV-ul nemaiputand sa stopeze declinul pe care l-au creat singuri, ori clubul german se va face o schimbare de macaz din tiimp. In orice caz, ideea de a omologa o noua rasa derivata dintr-una existenta nu e noua (vezi Akita- Marele Caine Japonez) . Uneori e mai usor s-o iei de la zero decat sa repari ceva ce e stricat.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on January 14, 2013, 04:25:06 AM
ooofff....daca nu disparea Cioraniul....altfel statea treaba in Romania acum cu zimbrii de linie veche... :Sad:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on January 14, 2013, 05:27:10 AM
Nu este imposibil sa introduci caini in circuit. Trebuie selectati riguros, facute un numar de monte de proba, se vezi ce da si, daca e ok, se da verde. Oricum, cei care studiaza zootehnia, stiu mai bine ce ar fi de facut. Problema e, intr-adevar, ca nu se doreste acest lucru. Probabil ca intr-un tarziu rasa ori se va prabusi complet, SV-ul nemaiputand sa stopeze declinul pe care l-au creat singuri, ori clubul german se va face o schimbare de macaz din tiimp. In orice caz, ideea de a omologa o noua rasa derivata dintr-una existenta nu e noua (vezi Akita- Marele Caine Japonez) . Uneori e mai usor s-o iei de la zero decat sa repari ceva ce e stricat.
Eheee... better said than done.. Nucleul de inimioare care traiesc pt scopuri/interese personale si finantele corespunzatoare, dupa atatia ani, are deja coloana. Deja cand aud de circulare de la FCI si/sau SV am oarece emotii, pt ca parca misca lucrurile in asa fel incat sa puna betze in roate. Nu e de ignorat ceea ce spui, de fapt undeva in mine misca ceva cand citesc ce ai scris mai sus DAR, ca si in viatza de zi cu zi si ce putem noi de jos sa schimbam in structura celor de sus, la fel gandesc si despre lucrurile astea. Adica, chiar daca mi-ar da voie sa introduc ceva nou in circuit pt ca in momentul de fatza infrastructura lor (FCI) ar permite asta, daca lucrurile nu vor fi placute pt ei (respectiv sa nu aiba ce sa "suga") nu e exclus sa dea vreo circulara de-asta de-ti da de urgenta peste cap mersul sau, mergi in continuare dar te ustura la buzunar orice miscare faci. Cam asa vad eu lucrurile astea, pt acum Doar pasiunea mea pt GG pe care a generat-o Ben, e ce ma misca, atat ca ma va mai misca.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on January 14, 2013, 05:29:22 AM
ooofff....daca nu disparea Cioraniul....altfel statea treaba in Romania acum cu zimbrii de linie veche... :Sad:
Asta asa e.. nu ca as fi fost personal acolo (nici tu) dar inteleg de la dux ca acolo era nucleul care genera ceea ce vedeam noi la militari, jandarmi si politisti, cand eram ciutani.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on January 14, 2013, 05:35:50 AM
Oameni buni, lucram cu ce este.. si ata ete. Caini buni sunt, n-a venit sfarsitul lumii. Ma bucur ca exista forumul asta, pt ca se discuta multe si multi ar avea de castigat citind prin paginile lui. Pana una alta e bine sa nu mai plangem prea mult ca rasa are de suferit si sa incercam sa facem lucrurile bune, fiecare acolo unde suntem. Nu incerc sa fac pe inteleptul ci doar cred ca asta ramane de facut.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on January 14, 2013, 07:09:13 AM
Asta asa e.. nu ca as fi fost personal acolo (nici tu) dar inteleg de la dux ca acolo era nucleul care genera ceea ce vedeam noi la militari, jandarmi si politisti, cand eram ciutani.
corect..si crede-ma, nici nu trebuie sa fi fost acolo...am vazut pana acum 3 exemplare de caini de la Ciorani care parca sunt total alta rasa de caini fata de cei din zilele noastre...pozele nu pot intruchipa realitatea 100%...unul este tatal femelei mele. Imensi, grosi, drepti, calmi, foarte echilibrati cand nu sunt provocati...Chiar daca nu as fi stiut ce provenienta au, Cioraniul imi venea in minte primul lucru. Inconfundabili.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: hora on January 14, 2013, 08:41:15 AM
Pacat ca cei de la Ciorani nu au tinut o evidenta a montelor si a genealogiei cainilor. De unde au fost adusi primii caini care au "populat" Cioraniul? Au fost importati, sau cum?
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on January 14, 2013, 11:21:03 AM
au tinut, nu aveau cum sa nu tina. Cred ca din RDG au fost adusi cainii, importati. Nu stiu sigur dar parca asa am citit intr-o carte despre CG din 1982. A fost sange pur de CG original, de asta plange totta lumea azi dupa Ciorani (acola ramasese nealterat sangele - caini vechi au fost si la Sibiu dar acolo s-a mai introdus si sange vestic la un moment dat si s-a "stricat" nucleul, so to speak
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on January 14, 2013, 11:22:52 AM
Si eu asa stiu, s-au importat caini din DDR si Cehoslovacia.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: adelavet on January 31, 2013, 05:33:55 AM
Nu neaparat.. astia de show au femurul vizibil cam "arcuit"; asta il are cam drept.
Sunt destule exemplare mai "drepte", nu neaparat arcuite. Pe mine cainele per total ma duce cu gandul la varietatea de show, nicidecum la linia "veche". Detalii precum femurul in opinia mea nu sunt cine stie cat de relevante, sunt si caini de show care nu au spatele cocosat sau lasat prea tare, dar asta nu schimba ceea ce sunt ei de fapt.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on January 31, 2013, 11:02:12 AM
de show nu este cainele din moment ce s-a spus ca e de la o canisa cu caini din linie veche. cel mult poate sa fie "mixat", desi doar din poza aia nu poti sa iti dai seama cum trebuie. Culorile nici atat nu sunt de show - nu e nici roscat sau portocaliu (mai roscat e primul ;) ) si nici "saua" nu e CLAR delimitata ca la cei de show (in partea din spate ma refer). Plus ca si spatele este drept si angulatiile la picioarele posterioare sunt relativ normale (spun relativ datorita pozitiei din care a fost facuta poza). In orice caz, 90% nu seamana cu cun caine de show, 10% da. Si conform principiului "iarna nu-i ca vara", 90% nu-i ca 10%. beer2
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on January 31, 2013, 11:03:33 AM
de show nu este cainele din moment ce s-a spus ca e de la o canisa (cu caini din linie veche) cel mult poate sa fie "mixat", desi doar din poza aia nu poti sa iti dai seama cum trebuie. Culorile nici atat nu sunt de show - nu e nici roscat sau portocaliu (mai roscat e primul ;) ) si nici "saua" nu e CLAR delimitata ca la cei de show (in partea din spate ma refer). Plus ca si spatele este drept si angulatiile la picioarele posterioare sunt relativ normale (spun relativ datorita pozitiei din care a fost facuta poza). In orice caz, 90% nu seamana cu cun caine de show, 10% da. Si conform principiului "iarna nu-i ca vara", 90% nu-i ca 10%. beer2
La prima vedere, mai ales in ce priveste capul, mie-mi aduce a show.. dar cine stie, poate "saracul" caine n-are nicio treaba cu asa ceva.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on January 31, 2013, 11:05:32 AM
cea mai buna impresie se face numai in realitate....poza (mai ales pozitia) aici nu prea te lamureste, parerea mea. Am vazut multi caini estici (in poze) care datorita unghiului in care au fost fotografiati, ziceai ca sunt cei mai mari deselati (show). Noroc cu culoarea care ii "salva"
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on January 31, 2013, 11:06:12 AM
cea mai buna impresie se face numai in realitate....poza (mai ales pozitia) aici nu prea te lamureste, parerea mea. Am vazut multi caini estici (in poze) care datorita unghiului in care au fost fotografiati, ziceai ca sunt cei mai mari deselati (show). Noroc cu culoarea care ii "salva"
Axx-ule, te complici... :grin: Deci cainele asta, judecand dupa cap, arata a show cat cuprinde. Restul intr-adevar comunica altceva, in opinia mea cel putin.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on January 31, 2013, 01:59:04 PM
dar privirea aia care iti comunica somnul, ma duce cu gandul la sou. :)
:grin:
Nu te ghida dupa de-astea; poti avea un caine care-ti comunica duritate si sa fie literalmente cel mai bun prieten al omului.. indiferent de cine-ar fi omul :yes:
Cainele in discutie NU are constructie de show, cu exceptia capului, cu conformatia aia tipica de "Comisarul Rex" AKA Teddy-bear. Nu conteaza ca e la o canisa de old school, de fapt nu exista asa ceva, prin old school ne referim la cainii aia vechi cu spate drept, "cainele lup" pe care-l stim din copilarie, fara acte. In fine, Adelavet ne poate da mai multe detalii daca doreste. Daca eu aleg sa cred ca are cap de show iar Axx il vede ca pe un old school veritabil cap-coada, berea are aceeasi spuma, mai ales vara. ;)
Peace
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on January 31, 2013, 02:22:33 PM
cel mult poate sa fie "mixat", desi doar din poza aia nu poti sa iti dai seama cum trebuie. angulatiile la picioarele posterioare sunt relativ normale . In orice caz, 90%nu seamana cu un caine de show, 10% da.
din cate ma pricep si eu "putintel" la old school-i, nu cred ca il consider pe asta un "veritabil"...cel putin nu reiese lucrul asta deloc din ce am zis eu pana acum... ;) Doar ca nu il consider un SHOW veritabil, atata tot. Si nici nu e, ca se vede. Peace la patrat
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on January 31, 2013, 02:38:28 PM
Am vazut multi caini estici (in poze) care datorita unghiului in care au fost fotografiati, ziceai ca sunt cei mai mari deselati (show). Noroc cu culoarea care ii "salva"
din cate ma pricep si eu "putintel" la old school-i, nu cred ca il consider pe asta un "veritabil"...cel putin nu reiese lucrul asta deloc din ce am zis eu pana acum... ;) Doar ca nu il consider un SHOW veritabil, atata tot. Si nici nu e, ca se vede. Peace la patrat
:beer:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on February 01, 2013, 07:13:44 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on February 04, 2013, 12:57:12 PM
We have used an 'old school' kind of dog Please visit my You Tube channel - K9HAUS ZOLTAN is the title.. He throws blocky heads with rich bi colour pigmentation. Truly unique here in Australia anyway...! Sure you guys will like the short clip..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on February 04, 2013, 01:44:54 PM
You're probably talking about this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9JyhuIzQhs
We may have seen him before.. I think.. Old school - does that mean no documents, or?
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on February 04, 2013, 03:19:34 PM
Just realised that Thara posted it for me a few months ago. No papers with this Male unfortunately, but we used him and got great looking pups. In a few months we will find out, how the characters are.. Looks very promising Dani.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 08, 2013, 03:37:20 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on February 08, 2013, 10:46:04 PM
Looks like CZ
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on February 08, 2013, 10:52:11 PM
I look at these old school dogs and I note they just have a different structure than most if not all modern GSDs. I am tempted to believe military dogs came from certain bloodlines that wrre not impacted by the show (old style show) mentality; I mean, straight backs remain an ever so distinctive trait.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on February 11, 2013, 02:22:05 PM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on February 11, 2013, 02:37:32 PM
Caine de patrula ceheasca, anii '40, cand era folosit si sangele vest-german (asta apropos de structura mai diferita a ceea ce noi azi numim simbolic "old school")
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on March 14, 2013, 01:12:59 PM
Imi place asta negru din ultima poza. Pe-atunci aveau si rusii cainii estici, ulterior i-au amestecat cu aluatul local si au scos BEO. I-am tot analizat si.. nu-mi plac, tot astia "clasici" sunt mai frumosi.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on March 14, 2013, 01:16:19 PM
batalia asta de a mentine niste instincte la rasa ciobanesc german este, daca nu pierduta, cel putin foarte greu de scos la capat.
Ai dreptate.Si sa ,,multumim'' S.V.-ului.Aceasta a dus timp de aproape 40 de ani o politica de a exclude cainii duri.In ziua de astazi,,plaja'' genetica din care sa scoti caini duri este extrem de ingusta.Un moment foarte bun pentru a revigora rasa a fost caderea zidului Berlinului.Acolo exista un septel de aprox.1200 de caini adevarati de patrula.S.V.-ul nu trebuia decat sa le recunoasca actele si sa aibe grija sa nu plece din tara.Dar dimpotriva,au dus o politica de eliminare a lor.Daca acel septel era conservat rasa ciobanesc german era in ziua de astazi in alta directie.Politica de transformare a c.g.-ului in caine de familie s-a facut precum picatura chinezeasca.incet si sigur.Iar acum haul este foarte mare.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: VINCENT on April 12, 2013, 12:44:35 PM
Razi tu, dar ai vazut cu ochii tai ce periculos e Terry! :devil:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on April 12, 2013, 12:45:13 PM
Da, mai ca sarea gardul sa ma inhate. :grin:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: VINCENT on May 18, 2013, 08:53:18 AM
Citeam aseara o carte de memorii despre revolutie, memorii ale unor ofiteri de Politie din Sibiu.Printre ei, un ofiter de la Centrul de dresaj care spunea ca a plecat in misiune si un pluton de conductori caini.Omul isi amintea ca un subofiter a fost impuscat mortal, ei s-au retras, dar cainele Raj a ramas nemiscat langa stapanul sau desi se tragea sustinut cu arme automate.Era "cel mai frumos caine al centrului".
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on May 18, 2013, 08:55:48 AM
Pai exista si relatari din razboi cu soldati impuscati iar cainii refuzau sa se miste de langa ei si nici nu lasau pe altcineva sa se apropie....
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on May 21, 2013, 01:40:54 AM
Love those photos Thara, would you say its from the mid 60's ?
The first ones from Czechoslovakia, my guess is that they're from 70's or maybe even 80's.
The other ones, the portrait I have no idea, could be 80's and the last one is from 1943, it is a picture from/for the German propaganda service, a dog used to carry ammo and water for the soldiers.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on June 12, 2013, 06:59:22 AM
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on July 10, 2013, 11:11:56 PM
Asta e Casso?
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on July 10, 2013, 11:39:32 PM
Hmm... asa am zis si eu cand am vazut prima poza. In mesaj mi-a spus öld style GSD".
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on July 11, 2013, 11:44:49 AM
Casso zic si eu, mai ales din primele doua poze.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on July 11, 2013, 11:54:48 AM
Mi s-a parut mie ca e Casso si am intrebat pentru ca nu stiam ce cauta pozele astea aici si nu in topicul lui !?
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on July 22, 2013, 09:20:04 AM
I just seen these pics guys. Dani I was waiting for these to be posted in other forum . :) I can't translate from the phone, but I hope you all like the old style photo in the first pic. Is Thara wondering if that's Casso ? Just as I said that I can't translate.. Have no PC at the moment..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on August 07, 2013, 12:53:32 PM
Vi-l prezint pe Rex - Old School GSD - 5 ani. Este un caine fff mare, este si putin gras.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on August 10, 2013, 02:54:57 AM
Arata beton cainele, look-ul tipic de old school. Si Eddy cu care am facut monta in Iulie arata old school cat cuprinde. Mai am niste poze pe telefon mi se pare, le caut acush. Un caine ca Rex arata mai bine decat 10 Siegeri moderni, la un loc.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on August 10, 2013, 03:07:29 AM
Arata beton cainele, look-ul tipic de old school. Si Eddy cu care am facut monta in Iulie arata old school cat cuprinde. Mai am niste poze pe telefon mi se pare, le caut acush. Un caine ca Rex arata mai bine decat 10 Siegeri moderni, la un loc.
Ai mare dreptate. Aspectul acesta clasic e pe cale de disparitie. Eddy e tot asa pe culori clasice. Masca spune tot.
Sper sa reusesc sa ajung sa-i fac niste fotografii profi lui Rex, aia e facuta cu un telefon. Cainele este marfa, are 60 kg, este urias, are un capalau mare!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on August 10, 2013, 03:27:23 AM
Are exact look-ul de caine "vechi".
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on August 10, 2013, 03:27:57 AM
Sper sa reusesc sa ajung sa-i fac niste fotografii profi lui Rex, aia e facuta cu un telefon. Caine este marfa, are 60 kg, este urias, are un capalau mare!
Asa sa faci!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on August 10, 2013, 03:31:54 AM
Nu au 70 la greaban, parerea mea! Ultima oara cand l-am masurat pe Din avea 65 cm. In foto, tipu` cu tricou verde (fratemiu), are 1.84 m, ca sa-ti faci o idee de marime.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on August 12, 2013, 05:30:07 AM
Rex is massive in his looks, he'll have some power. How many kg in weight And his height ?? The Bi colour looks fantastic..
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on August 12, 2013, 05:50:51 AM
Rex is massive in his looks, he'll have some power. How many kg in weight And his height ?? The Bi colour looks fantastic..
Rex has about 60 kg, and i do not know exactly what height is. The bi colour is Dingo vom Hundenberg (http://canisa-zimbris.ro/forum/index.php?topic=853.105), turns 10 months tomorrow.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Man Stopper on August 12, 2013, 06:22:58 AM
Rex has about 60 kg, and i do not know exactly what height is. The bi colour is Dingo vom Hundenberg (http://canisa-zimbris.ro/forum/index.php?topic=853.105), turns 10 months tomorrow.
Man he looks around 60kg, that's some serious weight there. I would say he looks around 68 cm in height atleast.. And yes I should of known its Dingo. Dingo looks more matured in this photo, he's got that old school markings like my dog Casso.. :rockon:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on August 12, 2013, 06:33:52 AM
Man he looks around 60kg, that's some serious weight there. I would say he looks around 68 cm in height atleast.. And yes I should of known its Dingo. Dingo looks more matured in this photo, he's got that old school markings like my dog Casso.. :rockon:
Truth is, 60 kg is too much for a GSD. I say, definitely he has 67-68 cm in height..
Casso is a very handsome male. I posted photos of Dingo now. Are fresh, today taken. :lol:
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: ben on August 12, 2013, 10:22:20 AM
Wow, arata beton Rex! Aspect de old school cat cuprinde!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: Schwarz on August 12, 2013, 10:14:39 PM
Si mie imi place mult de el. Sa-l vezi pe fracsu`. Este mai inchis la culoare (mai mult negru), si rau in draci.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on November 09, 2013, 12:52:57 PM
Bahnpolizei-Diensthund "Axel" vom Bp-Po. Ingolstadt beim Ortsdienst im Bf Ingolstadt Hbf 1984 (http://img.webme.com/pic/b/bahnpolizeiderdb/1951.jpg)
Bp-Beamter bei Ortsstreife mit Diensthund bei Kontrolle eines Containers (http://img.webme.com/pic/b/bahnpolizeiderdb/1501.jpg)
1984 Bevor ein Diensthund gegen Personen eingesetzt wird, sind sie vernehmlich anzurufen: " Polizei - Halt oder ich setzte den Hund ein!" (http://img.webme.com/pic/b/bahnpolizeiderdb/1502.jpg)
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on September 17, 2014, 04:48:07 AM
Va veni si un clip.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: guest on September 18, 2014, 12:26:16 PM
Ce-a crescut!
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: wmarius on September 22, 2014, 11:59:55 AM
Frumos
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: VINCENT on November 05, 2014, 09:14:19 AM
S-ar putea ca Roco sa se faca un caine bun, dar se va maturiza foarte tarziu.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: VINCENT on November 05, 2014, 09:16:28 AM
Am poze cu fratele lui, dar nu stiu cum sa le postez.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on July 31, 2015, 06:56:18 AM
Roco - 1 an si 5 luni
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSBqnNi5F7o
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: dux on July 31, 2015, 01:03:37 PM
Bravo!Foarte frumos.Asa trebuia sa ramana ciobanescul german.Solid si cu spate drept. Cam ce are in spate genetic.Parintii, bunicii sunt tot linie veche?
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: VINCENT on August 01, 2015, 12:15:15 AM
Parintii si bunicii sunt de linie veche.Catelul inca nu s-a maturizat.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on August 01, 2015, 07:16:18 AM
Bravo!Foarte frumos.Asa trebuia sa ramana ciobanescul german.Solid si cu spate drept. Cam ce are in spate genetic.Parintii, bunicii sunt tot linie veche?
Multumim! Sta bine pe fizic, intr-adevar. Cainele asta nu stiu daca a fost agitat de 5 ori in viata lui. Asa cum zice si Vincent, parintii lui sunt din linie veche.
Title: Re: Scoala Veche / Old School
Post by: prototype on August 01, 2015, 07:17:09 AM