Post by: zimbris on March 26, 2010, 03:13:27 AM
Am facut si un video-tribut acestor caini, il puteti vedea mai jos.
This topic is a delicate one and approached in international online message boards; what was / is the significance of the DDR dogs, what is going on in present time with the remaining population of such dogs, what makes them different to the west dogs. These differences are there to be noticed, we could analize them and draw some conclusions.
I made a video tribute to these dogs, posted below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj7czipJCVg
Post by: Dia_Boca on March 26, 2010, 03:50:35 AM
sunt intr-adevar caini de exceptie... aduc mult cu ceea ce am cautat cand l-am luat pe Modjo...
P.S. nu aveam idee de existenta asazisei linii DDR :lol:
Post by: zimbris on March 26, 2010, 04:33:36 AM
The DDR dogs are not that well known by many. Those dogs were not that high on drive, the east people used the dogs for patroling, not sports, so their breeding consisted of strong bones and good defense drive.
Post by: Dia_Boca on March 26, 2010, 04:45:06 AM
RO: Multumesc pentru traducere, mai uit ca este un forum international...
Post by: Bogdan on March 26, 2010, 05:01:33 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 26, 2010, 05:32:49 AM
Let me tell you about the ddr dogs. We have today both in Germany and USA Puppy sellers.I tell people who ask how do i know how to pick and pup and which breeder to buy from. First if the breeder has multiple litters at the same time this is not good.If they try to say take the puppy 6-7-8 weeks old this is not good. Why because you must spend time with the pups to watch and teach them it is big task with just one litter and how it done with 20-30 pups.The ddr breed lines all differ example the bloodline 5a best know for Don vom Rolandsteich this is a very slow maturing line some times taken 3 -5 year to show hard fight drive. So how do we pick a pup at 8 weeks old (you do not).You must imprint these pups and also know the difference between each dog.This is done by spending time with the litter. you will never see a color string on the necks of my pups i know each one. They also need to learn pack behavior. We need the breed lines
saved they bring diversity to the German Shepherd dog. I encourage breeders to save the ddr blood and to breed and raise and sell correctly. Greeting John
The DDR dogs were never known for extreme drives but balanced drives
Va salut pe toti,
Dati-mi voie sa va spun despre cainii DDR'isti. In ziua de azi si In State si in Germania avem vanzatori de catei (sau cum am spune noi caini pe banda). Celor care ma intreaba le spun cum sa se orienteze, de unde sa ia catei, de la care crescator. In primul rand, daca crescatorul are mai multe cuiburi in acelasi timp, nu e bine. Daca vor sa-ti dea catelul cand are doar 6, 7 sau 8 saptamani de viata, nici asta nu e bine. De ce - pt ca trebuie sa petreci timp cu cateii ca sa-i urmaresti si sa-i inveti, este o raspundere mare doar cu un singur cuib de catei, se schimba lucrurile cand e vorba de 20 - 30 de catei. Liniile DDR-iste difera, linia 5a f cunoscuta pt Don Rolandsteich, o linie care se maturizeaza lent, uneori fiind nevoie de 3-5 ani pana cand cainele arata un instict de lupta pronuntat. Deci cum sa iei catelul la 8 saptamani (nu faci asta). Trebuie sa cunosti individual cateii si sa cunosti diferentele intre ei. Asta se face doar petrecand timp cu cateii. Cand am un cuib de catei ii stiu pe fiecare individual dupa particularitati. De asemenea ei trebuie sa cunoasca mentalitatea de haita. Avem nevoie de liniile estice, ele dau diversitate rasei. Eu incurajez crescatorii sa salveze cainii DDR-isti si sa creasca si sa vanda catei, cu raspundere.
Cainii DDR'isti nu au fost cunoscuti pt drive extrem, ei aveau instincte echilibrate.
Va salut, John
Post by: zimbris on March 26, 2010, 05:37:14 AM
I promise to translate the posts when I get back home later today.
Post by: Bogdan on March 26, 2010, 06:42:45 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
promit sa traduc tot ce se spune, diseara cand ajung acasa.
I promise to translate the posts when I get back home later today.
If you will translate all posts the people will never learn other language.
English language is the best way to communicate in this moment, so let people some space to learn.
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 26, 2010, 06:59:09 AM
1989 East German DDR video
Post by: zimbris on March 26, 2010, 08:35:52 AM
Quote from: "Bogdan"
Quote from: "zimbris"promit sa traduc tot ce se spune, diseara cand ajung acasa.
I promise to translate the posts when I get back home later today.
If you will translate all posts the people will never learn other language.
English language is the best way to communicate in this moment, so let people some space to learn.
Yes but if you put in balance the need to save the DDR dogs against the need for language skills, guess which one is more urgent :mrgreen:
Traduc putijn cate putin iar pe parcurs sper ca forumistii sa vorbeasca suficient de bine engleza ca sa putem dialoga cu cat mai multi pasionati / crescatori ai rasei.
Post by: zimbris on March 26, 2010, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: "Dia_Boca"
foarte frumos si reusit clipul...
multumesc :mrgreen:
Post by: Man Stopper on March 26, 2010, 11:09:50 AM
Many of the popular DDR dogs in the last few decades trace back to Ex v Redstern. Even the Czechs brought in dogs who were very close on Ex..
Bojar/ Bero and also Berry Christelas if i'm not wrong,contributed and played a major part in the pz Straze kennels..
'Bene' video Dani molto bene bravo !!! See i'm learning another language... 8-)[/color]
Post by: zimbris on March 26, 2010, 11:28:08 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/5548.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on March 26, 2010, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: "Dia_Boca"
Thank's for the translation, I seem to forget it is an international forum... :)
No worries, this shouldn't become a priority
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 26, 2010, 01:12:05 PM
Some of the hard dogs and doogs DDr dogs you would want in your bloodlines
Pele vom Kiebitzmoor. SchHIII ZPT 6446/44
THAT was a REAL dog! He was owned for six years by Herr Peter Immel, who was the head of the entire SDG (Sektion Dienst und Gebrauchshundewesen) in the DDR. HIs oversight encompassed all of the border dogs ("wall dogs"), police and military dogs, also the working dog trials, etc. If anyone would have a good dog, he would. Pele was a true manstopper.
Fred vom Falkenbruch
SchH3/FH
Zorro vom Laager Wall
SchHIII FH ZPT 5546/34
Grand vom Ritterberg SCHHII FH PSHI
ZPT 5546/34
Frei vom Baruther Land
SCHHI ZPT 6546/54
Don vom Rolandsteich
SchHII, FHII ZPT 6547/33
San vom Haus Himpel
SchHIII ZPT 6546/44
Lenn vom kleinen Mohr SchH3, FH1,
ZPT 6546/44
Frei vom Baruther Land
SchHIII ZPT 6546/44
Jim von der Stadt Schmalkalden
SCHHII ZPT 6547/33
Cliff vom Bleichfleck
SCHHIII FHIII PSHIII
ZPT 6547/44
Black vom Haus Himpel SchH1,
ZTP 6547/33
Cäsar vom Rangental SchH2, FH1, PSH1,
ZPT. 6547/43
Ex von der Gundorfer Höhe SchH1,
ZPT 6546/44
Fels vom Kemmlerblick SchH2,
ZPT6543/55
Berry vom Christelas SchH3, FH1, PSH1,
Kör. 5547/33
Golf vom Ritterberg SchH3, FH1, PSH1,
Kör. 5545/55
Don vom Haus Himpel
SCHHIII
ZPT 5545/55
Burga vom Haus Himpel
SCHHI ZPT 5547/32
Held vom Ritterberg
SCHHIII ZPT5546/44
Ingo vom Rudingen
SCHHIII ZPT5547/33
Condor vom Marderpfahl
SchH2, Kör. 5546/44
Ohle vom Rundeck SchH2, Kör.
5546/44
Pushkas vom Haus Himpel SchH3, FH1,
Kör. 5446/44
Arko vom Gräfental SchH3, FH2, PSH1,
Kör. 5447/43
Bodo vom Gräfental SchH3,
Kör. 5546/44
Bero vom Baruther Land SchH2, FH1,
Kör. 5547/32
Xanto von der Gundorfer Höhe SchH3, FH3, PSH3,
Kör. 5546/44
Post by: zimbris on March 26, 2010, 02:01:25 PM
John m-a rugat sa postez chart-ul ZPT'lui. Deci... acesta este un ZPT:
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/ddrzpt.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on March 26, 2010, 03:04:04 PM
body type - powerful
constitution - maturing problems
build - good angulations
temperament - relaxed, friendly, hard when provoked
sharpness - good
courage and hardness - good
(http://gsdonline.com/bszs/pictures/131941.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 26, 2010, 03:20:35 PM
and i have a very large son Enno vom Ostschutz he has the crushing grip that seems to come from this bloodline.
John
Dani, poza asta arata bine, mi se pare ca Pele are 9 ani in poza. Acest mascul a avut un ZPT foarte bun a fost un caine dresat la un nivel avansat. Se spune ca agitatorilor nu prea le placea lucrul cu Pele. "Prize (muscaturi) nimicitoare". Era un caine mare, sur si, dupa cum se vede si in poza se cam vad anii pe fata lui. Pele este frate vitreg cu Bronco Kiebitzmoor. Eu am un fiu de Bronco, Enno vom Ostschutz, are o priza foarte dura care probabil se datoreaza geneticii.
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 26, 2010, 03:38:41 PM
Quote from: Johnsk9
Dani This looks very good I think Pele is about 9 yrs old in this photo. This male had a great zpt and was a highly trained dog.It was said that the decoys did not enjoy catching him."Crushing bites". He was a large Grey dog and as you can see in this photo his age is showing very much. I Can tell you Pele is a half brother to Bronco vom KiebitzmoorEnno vom Ostschutz
and i have a very large son Enno vom Ostschutz he has the crushing grip that seems to come from this bloodline.
John
Dani, poza asta arata bine, mi se pare ca Pele are 9 ani in poza. Acest mascul a avut un ZPT foarte bun a fost un caine dresat la un nivel avansat. Se spune ca agitatorilor nu prea le placea lucrul cu Pele. "Prize (muscaturi) nimicitoare". Era un caine mare, sur si, dupa cum se vede si in poza se cam vad anii pe fata lui. Pele este frate vitreg cu Bronco Kiebitzmoor. Eu am un fiu de Bronco, Enno vom Ostschutz, are o priza foarte dura care probabil se datoreaza geneticii.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/EnnoB-W.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on March 26, 2010, 03:45:01 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 26, 2010, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
Serious looking face right there!
Enno is 18 -20 moths old in photo
Enno are 18 - 20 luni in poza
Post by: Man Stopper on March 27, 2010, 06:12:47 AM
se pare ca Fels v. Kemmlerblick ZPT 6543/55 ar fi punctat cel mai tare in chart
Powerfull Puternic
Ideal Ideal
Good Angulation Angulatie buna
Reseved suspicious or aggressive rezervat suspicios sau agresiv
Very good Foarte bine
Very good Foarte bine
The fourth digit being a score of "3" which means { reserved,suspicious or aggressive } has not been given to many dogs at all.. Only a few like Ex Reidstern and Fels v Kimmlerblick have this score of "3"..
And it seems very rare to see a score of "4" which is an aggressive, sharp, hard and dangerous..
Would it be better to to use a dog with a score of "3" or "4" in the fourth digit, to produce more naturally suspicious/sharp dogs..
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 27, 2010, 06:48:07 AM
The 4th number could be different at a mature age and then what kind or type of dogs do you wish to own/breed. The Gsd has been changed over the past 20 something years to tone down or remove this aggression/ sharpness to avoid liability. Today most people do not want the very hard dogs they want extreme ball and prey drive.
Aici vedem cat sunt de folos registrele canine DDR'iste. Ele iti spun in ce an si respectiv la ce vasta a fost evaluat cainele prin ZPT. daca evaluarea a fost facuta la o varsta tanara, sa spunem 2 ani, numerele ZPT pot creste / si au crescut corespunzator cu varsta. de ce, pt ca pe masura ce cainele s-a maturizat si durtatea si-a facut teptat aparenta, in multe linii, la varsta de 3 ani sau mai mult.
Al 4lea numar se poate schimba o data cu inaintarea in varsta si atunci poti cunoaste ce fel sau ce tip de caine ai vrea sa deti / cresti. CG'ul a tot fost schimbat de-alungul ultimilor aprox 20 de ani pt a inmuia sau reduce aceasta agresivitate / ageritate, pt a se evita raspundere legala. In zilele noastre oamenii nu mai vor cainii duri, vor cainii cu super drive si super-aportori.
Post by: zimbris on March 28, 2010, 05:23:41 AM
Pt ca tot vorbim de ZPT... care caine a punctat cel mai bine/mult, in RDG?
Post by: zimbris on March 28, 2010, 05:30:01 AM
Totodata, John poate poti mentiona cateva lucruri importante despre caini RDG'isti, lucrui necunoscute sau carora nu se acorda atentie, pt ca cei ce viziteaza aceasta sectiune sa fie inormati.
Post by: zimbris on March 28, 2010, 07:50:17 AM
Si in sustinerea ideii ca si cainii DDR-isti au drive, uitati-l pe Gomez v.d Grauen Mostab (nepot de Don Haus Iris). Chiar imi place atitudinea cainelui.
Although it's being said the DDR dogs have less drive, the Lord Gleisdreieck shows plenty drive. To also add to this, have a look at Gomez v.d Grauen Monstab (grandson of Don Haus Iris). I actually like that dog's attitude.
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Post by: Man Stopper on March 28, 2010, 08:51:12 AM
Would like to know what the difference is between DDR and West dogs of today ? Besides bone structure and darker pigmentation !
If its true that they have toned down sharper/hard dogs and people want prey/high drive..!!
Its taken half a century to get only a hand full of well noted hard dogs/producers of DDR breed, and within 2 decades the word "DDR" is on a piece of paper but the marjority not really in spirit shape or form...!!
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 28, 2010, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: zimbris
Se vorbeste despre CG'ii RDG-isti ca fiind caini cu mai putin drive, desi dupa cum se vede in clipul cu Lord Gleisdreieck postat in forum, se poate vedea drive cat cuprinde...
Si in sustinerea ideii ca si cainii DDR-isti au drive, uitati-l pe Gomez v.d Grauen Mostab (nepot de Don Haus Iris). Chiar imi place atitudinea cainelui.
Although it's being said the DDR dogs have less drive, the Lord Gleisdreieck shows plenty drive. To also add to this, have a look at Gomez v.d Grauen Monstab (grandson of Don Haus Iris). I actually like that dog's attitude.
The statement of the DDR dogs is true 100% But it does not mean every dog.There are dogs that have great drive like dani states. My dog Ebony would surprise most anti ddr people.The DDr dogs have always been known for balance.Today the most are bred for sales and not so much for work
Ceea ce se spune despre cainii DDR-isti este adevarat 100% dar nu se aplica in cazul tuturor ainilor DDR-isti. Sunt si caini care au mult drive asa cum afirma Dani. Cainele meu Ebony ar surprinde majoritatea celor care sunt impotriva cainilor DDR. Cainii DDR-isti au fost stiuti intotdeauna pt echilibru. In ziele noastre majoritatea cainilor DDR sunt crescuti pt comert nu atat de mult pt lucru.
Post by: Man Stopper on March 31, 2010, 06:30:53 AM
Both well known females which are sometimes overlooked...!
Apropos de femele, ma gandeam sa o mentionez pe Illa von der Mittelhauser Flur sau pe 'batrana' Burga v Haus Himpel...
Ambele fiind femele foarte bune dar adesea neluate in atentie...!
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 31, 2010, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: Man Stopper
Speaking of females, thought i might mention Illa von der Mittelhauser Flur or well known 'oldie' Burga v Haus Himpel...Hello Reg
Both well known females which are sometimes overlooked...!
I like Burga she is in a class by herself. The ddr knew this and did some real breeding with her.
Most people would not know this and today it would not surprise me that people would this is a bad way to breed. But the results were some very tough dogs. Take a very close look at this and it was done more then once
Salut Reg
Si mie imi place Burga, ea la randul ei are o clasa anume. Germanii estici au stiut asta si au facut niste monte bune cu ea.
Multi oameni nu stiu asta si nu m-as mira daca in zilele noastre oamenii ar spune ca nu e o alegere buna pt programul de crestere. Dar din astfel de monte au rezultat niste caini foarte puternici. Priveste cu atentie graficul asta, astfel de monte au fost facute nu o data.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/johnsk9/ps000118.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on March 31, 2010, 08:39:19 AM
wow.. asta chiar arata a consangvinizare stransa! Cainii de la Haus Himpel apar in sangele multor caini buni si cand zic buni ma refer la duritate.
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 31, 2010, 08:43:38 AM
wow... that is one "tight" linebreeding! Haus Himpel dogs appear in the blood of many good dogs out there.. and when I say good dogs I actually mean tough dogs.
wow.. asta chiar arata a consangvinizare stransa! Cainii de la Haus Himpel apar in sangele multor caini buni si cand zic buni ma refer la duritate.
I knew one or more dogs from these breedings went to the Czech Border kennel.
Stiu unul sau doi caini din astfel de monte care au ajuns in canisa Patrulei Cehesti.
Post by: Man Stopper on March 31, 2010, 08:51:47 AM
In cazul de fata e vorba de o matusa montata cu un nepot (ca sa fie mai clara treaba). Imi surade ideea unchi - nepoata... banuiesc ca asta se face cand crescatorul e multumit de materia genetica la a 2a generatie.. banuiesc ca in cazul prezent Ingo v Rudingen era cel urmarit...
Post by: zimbris on March 31, 2010, 08:51:54 AM
Cred ca e nevoie de multa experienta sa faci astfel de monte si intr-o masura, chiar si atunci, poate fi ca loteria
Post by: Man Stopper on March 31, 2010, 09:03:33 AM
Sometimes breeders should of taken the gamble and used dogs who did not pass hip exam.. Whats your opionion on this guys ??
O provocare este bine venita iar liniile sanguine (consangvinizarea) poate, pana la un punct, minimaliza elementul de loterie si sa dea rezultate bune...
Ocazional anumiti crescatori ar fi trebuit sa riste si sa foloseasca in proiectele de crestere caini care nu au trecut testul HD... ce credeti??
Post by: zimbris on March 31, 2010, 09:37:39 AM
Eu banuiesc ca unii crescatori au incercat deja lucrul asta si cine stie, poate cu ceva rezultate bune pe ici pe colo... dar la urma urmei risti mult cand regurgi la asta..
Post by: Man Stopper on April 01, 2010, 06:01:10 AM
Well I guess some breeders did try that and who knows, maybe with good results in places.. but at the end of the day you are taking a risk when doing that..Have at times thought about those"backyard" breeders in the East, before the wall came down.. Would of produced many great 'unkown' DDR dogs, who still could of produced, strong progeny, given the reputation of the DDR breed having low cases of Hip Displsia..... Only if the breeding standard, was not so strict then possibly many more DDR dogs would be around..
Eu banuiesc ca unii crescatori au incercat deja lucrul asta si cine stie, poate cu ceva rezultate bune pe ici pe colo... dar la urma urmei risti mult cand regurgi la asta..
M-am mai gandit din cand in cand la acei crescatori din Est care isi faceau treaba cu portile inchise, inainte de caderea Zidului... poate au produs multi caini DDR-isti care n-au ajuns sa fie cunoscuti public, care la randul lor ar fi putut produce caini puternici, tinand si cont de reputatia cainilor DDR-isti de a avea mai putine probleme de displazie de sold... poate daca standardul de reproducere nu ar fi fost atat de strict, atunci poate am fi avut mai multi caini DDR-isti in zilele noatre..
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 01, 2010, 06:55:27 AM
the Czech Government. Just prior to the falling of the wall the public wanted to make money on their dogs the majority were sold off and the East Germans tried to make show dogs out of what they had. As history shows this failed so many ddr kennels bought into the west show dogs. When they East Germans were forced into
using the West German Registry (SV) some gave in some did not Like (Zwinger vom Kabuschsee) Dani you know, this is one that did not at that point they refused the SV rule. The SV wanted show dogs and the wanted to bury the East German legacy. And again history shows the SV was successful,the ddr dogs are nearly gone
Guvernul Est-German s-a folosit de detinatorii/crescatorii de caini in vederea programelor de crestere si la fel s-a intamplat si in Cehia. Cu putin timp inainte de caderea Zidului, oamenii incepusera sa doreasca sa faca bani de pe urma cainilor lor, majoritatea cainilor au ajuns sa fie vanduti iar Est Germanii au incercat sa ia directia show'ului cu cainii ramasi. Asa cum arata istoria, ei au ratat in privinta asta, multi crescatori din Est au recurs la folosirea cainilor Vestici. Cand nemtii Estici s-au vazut fortati sa foloseasca caini Vestici (SV) unii din ei au fost de acord cu noua directie, altii nu (cum au fost cei de la Canisa Kabuschsee) (Dani tu stii despre ce e vorba) acesti crescatori au refuzat sa urmeze principiile SV. SV-ul vroia caini de show si respectiv sa ingroape mostenirea cainilor Estici. In randuri repetate istoria a aratat ca SV-ul a resuti in mare masura, cainii DDR-isti sunt aproape pe cale de disparitie.
Post by: zimbris on April 02, 2010, 08:43:38 AM
(http://wdcontent03.working-dog.eu/bcHhZVEMZw_kls_8oRZnzK7AbJzb970FYcs9tPtJpFk,.jpg)
Post by: dux on April 03, 2010, 02:20:36 AM
The East German Government utilized the peoples dogs for their breeding program also the same is true fordar tot istoria se va razbuna.dupa cum vedeti cainele de show ,,made in s.v.'' a inceput sa fie din ce in ce mai criticat.,,slabiciunile'' acestui tip de caine,atat legate de sanatate cat si de caracter il face din ce in ce sa nu mai fie preferat.daca dumnezeu ne ajuta vom putea reinvia acest tip de caine ddr.-ist.asa zisul caine de ,,linie veche''.putem face o echipa buna chiar si aici in Romania astfel incat sa revitalizam acest tip de caine.sunt convins ca si John ne va ajuta cu informatii si in primul rand cu material genetic.
the Czech Government. Just prior to the falling of the wall the public wanted to make money on their dogs the majority were sold off and the East Germans tried to make show dogs out of what they had. As history shows this failed so many ddr kennels bought into the west show dogs. When they East Germans were forced into
using the West German Registry (SV) some gave in some did not Like (Zwinger vom Kabuschsee) Dani you know, this is one that did not at that point they refused the SV rule. The SV wanted show dogs and the wanted to bury the East German legacy. And again history shows the SV was successful,the ddr dogs are nearly gone
In randuri repetate istoria a aratat ca SV-ul a resuti in mare masura, cainii DDR-isti sunt aproape pe cale de disparitie.
...but history will get its revenge. as we can see the show dog "made in s.v" is being more and more criticized. The weaknesses of this type of dog, both as far as health and character, are causing the dog to lose popularity. If all goes well we will help bring back to life this DDR type of dog, the so-called "old type". We can try and make a good team here in Romania. I am convinced John can help with valuable info as well as some genetic pool material.
Post by: kangdanlin on April 03, 2010, 02:33:52 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 03, 2010, 04:04:40 AM
Post by: kangdanlin on April 03, 2010, 04:06:07 AM
stii ca e situl lui John, nu..? :grin:yep
Post by: zimbris on April 03, 2010, 04:18:40 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 03, 2010, 04:21:35 AM
On the homepage you can see a picture of Ellie, who John said looks like Benny
Post by: zimbris on April 04, 2010, 02:24:30 AM
Zilele astea se vinde mult drive'ul, parca de la un momentdat toata lumea a inceput sa vrea un CG fie pt show (SV) fie pt drive extrem si personal cred ca, in cele mai multe cazuri, lumea vrea extreme mai mult pt satisfacerea ego'ului sau unor ambitii personale, decat pt a promova un caine bun.
Iar in privinta drive'ului, cu toate ca se spune ca efectivul DDR'ist nu excela in privinta asta, chiar si in ziua de azi puteti gasi clipuri cu caini DDR'isti care stau foarte bine la capitolul drive. Personal nu asta as vrea la cainele meu, as vrea sa aiba suficient drive cat sa-mi arate ca e activ, dar as vrea sa fie stabil, sa ma urc cu el in varful pomului fara ca el sa ezite si bine-nteles sa-mi arate ca nu da un pas inapoi daca e provocat (de cineva din afara "familiei". Punand lucrurile cap la cap, in ce ma priveste, gasesc combinatia asta de calitati in tipul DDR'ist de caine.
The DDR dogs population has dramatically shrunk and so it is so important that those who still want to breed these dogs put a lot of brain in the process so that they don't simply get pure DDR dogs, but rather pure DDR GOOD dogs. And I believe that is where wisdom from someone like John is much needed.
These days we see people selling / buying either extreme drive or looks and I personally believe that many who do that they do it not to promote the breed but to rather satisfy their own ego's and personal ambitions.
And as far as drive, although it has been said that the DDR dogs lack in it, you can actually still find video clips of east dogs that are doing pretty well as far as drive. I would personally not want extreme drive in my own dog, but enough to show me he/she is active, plus stability (solid nerves), so I could shoot for various crazy activities and he's up for it and of corse I want my dog to keep its ground when challenged by someone outside of the family. As I put things together, I realize I can find this mix of qualities in the DDR type of dog.
Post by: zimbris on April 04, 2010, 03:52:15 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 04, 2010, 01:17:38 PM
I like this picture of N Jim more than the one on database
(http://bergsteigerkennel.com/jim1.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on April 05, 2010, 08:15:05 AM
Imi place mai mult poza asta a lui Neumann's Jim decat cea de pe database
I like this picture of N Jim more than the one on database
(http://bergsteigerkennel.com/jim1.jpg)
Nice photo and expression on Neuamans Jim.. First time i seen it..
Post by: Man Stopper on April 06, 2010, 09:31:15 AM
Nothing bad with Line 13, but agree with John and his approach where his aim is to maintain some very rare blood.
What percentage of breedings would trace back to Alf Kornese compared to Don V Rolandsteich or Zorro for instance ?
Post by: zimbris on April 06, 2010, 09:57:21 AM
I wonder what the next say 5 years will look like for the east dogs..
If things will go according to plan, as far as I am concerned, i would love to contribute to maintaing some east lines.
Post by: Man Stopper on April 06, 2010, 10:02:17 AM
Draco von Sand-N-Berg and also check out his Sire, something different
Post by: zimbris on April 06, 2010, 10:06:33 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/546419.jpg) (http://www.germanshepherdsofdujon.com/images/draco.2.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on April 06, 2010, 10:10:15 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on April 06, 2010, 10:24:20 AM
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If things will go according to plan, as far as I am concerned, i would love to contribute to maintaing some east lines.I believe your in very good position Dani in starting some rare DDR lines.. You already have representation here in Australia and most likely in the USA,so get to it and send me some powerhouse...!!LOL
Post by: zimbris on April 06, 2010, 11:32:01 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 06, 2010, 12:08:41 PM
Post by: zimbris on April 07, 2010, 06:55:00 AM
(http://www.gillsgermanshepherds.com/dogs/champ4.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on April 07, 2010, 07:10:38 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/bosfather.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on April 07, 2010, 06:38:14 PM
Post by: zimbris on April 08, 2010, 04:55:44 AM
Asa as vrea sa arate CG'ul meu (mascul)!
Post by: Man Stopper on April 11, 2010, 08:46:37 AM
That is what I would want my male dog to look like!How about a description of what he should behave like ?
Asa as vrea sa arate CG'ul meu (mascul)!
I feel that a dog should be relaxed when tied to a pole, and show full GO when approached/provoked.. I dislike dogs that cannot settle when in a run or tied to a pole...
Dar ce spui de o descriere a comportamentului dorit?
Eu zic ca un caine ar trebui sa fie relaxat cand e legat la punct fix, dar sa arate atitudine cand e provocat.. nu-mi plac cainii care sunt agitati cand sunt legati la punct fix sau pusi intr-un tarc.
Post by: zimbris on April 11, 2010, 10:17:38 AM
I want my own dog to be relaxed when nothing's up but like you said, show attitude anytime something's up.
Pai atunci fereste-te de caini de sport... e vorba de mult drive. As spune ca tipul de caine DDR'ist s-ar conforma cel mai bine asteptarilor tale.
Vreau cainele meu sa fie relaxat cand e legat la punct fix, dar asa cum ai spus si tu, sa arate interes / determinare cand apare vreo amenintare.
Post by: Man Stopper on April 11, 2010, 10:49:00 AM
What would be the ideal balance between Defense and Prey ?
60/40 prey i feel..
Post by: zimbris on April 11, 2010, 11:13:56 AM
I would be the luckiest guy if I had a Bernd Lierberg in my yard!!
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 11, 2010, 11:30:32 AM
4/14/1983
descended back on DDR lines that do not include, for the most part, female lines that were noted to bring with them Pronounced active aggression brought on via social aggression, or social dominance.
The
tail carriage of the Lierbergs is shown in two ways. One is the high tail set on the croup, and high tail carriage you mentioned, accompanied by a gentle hook upwards. The tail is bushy, but does not show the bottle brush, just bushy, with 'feathers' flowing most of the way down the tail towards the tip with the 'feathers' both thinning and shortening in a somewhat linear manner towards the end of the tail. Theis physical characteristic, coupled with a confident attitude on the trial field, in my opinion, is sufficient enough
The Betty (Betty vom Eningsfeld) line is a line that is well known to produce high social aggression. Twenty or so years ago rumors abounded about how one of the Lierberg dogs had killed at least two dogs on two different occasions at dog shows. I don't know how accurate the rumor was, but I can tell you from experience that the Lierberg dogs can be dog-dog aggressive as you stated in your question. However, the worst line is the third female line that I have not disclosed yet because I am still sorting that line out via multiple females/ branch lines. My experience with that bloodline, which flows heavily through Umsa vom Bungalow leads me to believe that female line is the worst when it comes to dog aggression. Dogs from that bloodline that display
dog-dog aggression get a glazed look in their eyes and cannot be controlled short of knocking them out. They simply will not recognize voice commands when they are in that zone!
The second tail that is found on the Lierbergs, and was viewed a lot on the von der Lindenhalle dogs is a tail that is lower set on the croup, does not have an upward hook, and is not held high. It is usually held at an almost horizontal level to the dog, maybe slightly elevated from the horizontal, and usually is accompanied by a twist in the tail that is found at about 2/3rds to 3/4 of the way down the tail, and that portion of the tail, that remains after the twist, is usually held downwards when the dog is excited.
Some stubbornness can be found via the Lierbergs, but in about 6-8 times out of ten they displayed the desire to work with man, and displayed good obedience, particularly a clear head accompanied by obedience in civil work. Pronounced courage, and firm grip coupled with a hard bite was, and still is the hall mark of this bloodline!
Crok's pedigree also shows several lines to Betty vom Eningsfeld, as well as Sali von der Krone, a dog noted for founding a significant female line, particularly the line that extends through the female dog Hella von Memmingen went on to produce a significant female bloodline that carries much sharpness and high energy that is still found within the phenotype of
many, many SG and V rated dogs on the trial field today. The fusion of both the Sali blood to the Lierberg blood can yield a synergism that produces high energy, moderate to high sharpness coupled with Pronounced Courage and a desire to work with the man obediently. These are in my opinion, the bloodlines, combination of bloodlines that most Schutzhunders and K9
officers are looking for (JMHO). What combination of those genetics are any particular Schutzhunder or K9 officer looking for, I can't tell, and even if I could, one can never know how those lines will recombine in a given litter, never mind a given puppy!
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 11, 2010, 11:42:49 AM
I would instead look to Umsa or the Lierbergs. Both the Umsa lines as well as the Lierberg lines carry one of the two significant founding females whose bloodline is expressed with High Social Aggression / Social Dominance. In the case of the Lierbergs (Betty vom Eningsfeld) it is a completely different female line than that of Yoschy/ Yuma, Umsa or Sagus, but still yields trainable but socially dominant dogs, and would give diversity to the breeding while maintaining aggression, courage and grip. In the case of Yoschy / Yuma or Sagus, it is the exact same female bloodline, except for one female found via Yoschy / Yuma that is not found via Sagus.
This twist in the tail is a hallmark of the Lierbergs. Bernd
Lierberg
First of all Lalit, let me thank you for the very informative post from today. However, I don't agree with your statement. . " Most people's dogs don't have social aggression and if they did, they would not be good
for competition ( sports )."
Social aggression is the portion of 'active aggression' that tips the scales regarding what we call fight drive in our breed. Some people believe that social aggression is in fact 'active aggression'. In any case, without social aggression, we cannot have fight drive. Other breeds have had 'active aggression' or 'social aggression' bred out of them. I for one believe that we cannot allow this to happen to our breed.
Finally, we are looking for dogs / bloodlines that possess social aggression, but who are also 'desirably sharp'. Overly sharp dogs that are either high in reactive aggression, or high in active aggression, are simply not desirable, either for the home, or the sport. The Lierbergs fit the profile of a dog that has high active aggression, or social aggression, and was also desirably sharp. . . PERFECTLY!. However, continued breeding on the Lierbergs delivered oversized dogs with loose ligaments, long wobbly
backs, and with front and rear angulation that was not free enough closing up the length of stride and shortening the gait. This bloodline also would get lazy and stubborn regarding the work. So, they needed to be out-crossed into either the Nestor or Claudius lines, such as was Mink vom Haus Wittfeld.
For the most part this was done in an arbitrary manner. Few breeders understood the need for this out-crossing, and fewer breeders understood the need to bring the blood of the Lierbergs back to a male that was out-crossed. One example of this was one of Minks best sons, Lewis von
Malatesta. With Lewis we see the sire coming down over Greif zum Lahntal who was from the *Old Blood lines* of Nestor, Claudius and Junker. He was bred to a granddaughter of Bernd vom Lierberg, over Ignaz.
It should be the general goal of a breeder to bring back the blood of a stud dogs *mother* where the stud dog fully expresses his mother (remember, we verify genotype with phenotype). Mink, in my opinion, expressed the Lierbergs. So, Mink was bred to Alfa vom Schwarzen Brink, where we find the blood of the Lierbergs carried forward via Pushkass vom Haus Himpel. This is a perfect example of following the breeding model I speak of
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 11, 2010, 11:50:54 AM
This twist in the tail is a hallmark of the Lierbergs. Bernd
Lierberg. I can tell you i have thin in my Ebony he has Bernd
Lierberg in his 5th gen along with multipe appearences futher back
He has a super grip and great drive along with High Social Aggression / Social Dominance.
Post by: zimbris on April 11, 2010, 11:59:12 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 11, 2010, 12:31:07 PM
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Thanks for all this welth of info John, this is first hand stuff. And.. the more you mention Enno the more I wabt to get on jet and be right there to see the dog!
I always say to people look for the Haus Himple lines in both DDR and Czech bloodline.
for the High Social Aggression / Social Dominance
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 11, 2010, 01:02:38 PM
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I guess "ideal" will be different, depending on individual expectations. For me yes, 60 / 40 sounds about right.Bernd & Bodo Lierberg the offspring received pronounced social aggression, and social dominance. It is also said cow hocked comes. There was something written about a cow hocked daughter of Lierberg and she was said to be one of the best foundation bitches of the show lines to date.
I would be the luckiest guy if I had a Bernd Lierberg in my yard!!
Post by: Man Stopper on April 12, 2010, 07:00:05 AM
Quote from: "Johnsk9"
I always say to people look for the Haus Himple lines in both DDR and Czech bloodline.
for the High Social Aggression / Social Dominance
Really good reading John, on the Lieberg lines and how they were outcrossed and introduced once again via the Dam lines..
Wanted to ask about Haus Himple lines in this case, would it be best that it comes via the Dam or Sire ?
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 12, 2010, 07:23:24 AM
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
Really good reading John, on the Lieberg lines and how they were outcrossed and introduced once again via the Dam lines..
Wanted to ask about Haus Himple lines in this case, would it be best that it comes via the Dam or Sire ?
Reg
We do not have the option today. I would guess most would chose the mother line. I introduce through
both mother and father line.I have very positive results through the father line.
Reg
Nu prea avem de ales in ziua de azi. Presupun ca majoritatea pun accent pe linia materna. Eu ma folosesc si de cea paterna si de cea materna. Eu am rezultate f bune pe linia paterna.
Post by: Man Stopper on April 12, 2010, 07:42:02 AM
Am o femela consangvinizata 5-4 pe Mink, il are pe Mink pe linia materna.. Asta sa insemne oare ca 'poarta' ceva trasaturi de-a lui Mink, sau consangvinizarea e prea departata pt a avea suficient efect?
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 12, 2010, 07:58:53 AM
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
I have a female who is 5-4 on Mink, she has Mink on the Maternal Side.. Does this mean she carries some kind of traits which Mink throws, or is this to far back to have any significance ? Phenotypes and Genotypes gets a bitMost will say that is were you get if from you would have to breed to find out Watch for hip problems from mink,but tuff dogs.
I have a 11 year old fero grand daughter the motherline is mink tuff high drive bitch. She was never bred Mink is good for the hardness
Multi spun ca de acolo obti asa ceva, trebuie sa scoti cuiburi ca sa poti trage concluzii. Sunt ceva probleme de sold in privinta lui Mink, dar da caini duri.
Am o nepoata din Fero in varsta de 11 ani, Mink pe linia materna, e o catea dura cu mult drive. Cateaua nu a fost montata niciodata, Mink e bun pt duritate.
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 12, 2010, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: Johnsk9
I always say to people look for the Haus Himple lines in both DDR and Czech bloodline.Pups from the line 9 -10 weeks old
for the High Social Aggression / Social Dominance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsVS95v96M
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 12, 2010, 10:35:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsVS95v96M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsVS95v96M)
Post by: zimbris on April 12, 2010, 11:14:37 AM
Thanks for posting this John!
Post by: zimbris on May 05, 2010, 05:28:22 AM
Some DDR dogs I like (as far as looks) I like them because they remind me of the old type of dogs I once saw
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/447833.jpg)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/393300.jpg)
Post by: Dia_Boca on May 05, 2010, 05:46:46 AM
Niste caini DDR'isti care-mi plac (in privinta aspectului) imi plac pt ca imi aduc aminte de tipul vechi de cg
Some DDR dogs I like (as far as looks) I like them because they remind me of the old type of dogs I once saw
WOW.. love love love...
Post by: shamankin6 on June 07, 2010, 05:25:17 PM
zimbris,
i like this dog..he looks like a real monster!
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/bosfather.jpg)
any info about him?
prieteni, multumesc mult pt discutiile pe tema caini DDR-isti. Si eu iubesc acesti caini. Pe langa faptul ca "te dau pe spate" in privinta aspectului, imi place mult duritatea si echilibrul lor.
ceva informatii despre cainele asta (Bodo)?
Ron
Post by: zimbris on June 08, 2010, 12:59:47 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/bodofatherside.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/bodomotherside.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on June 08, 2010, 01:01:58 AM
Quote from: "shamankin6"
guys, thanks alot for such nice sharing of information and discussion about DDR dogs. i myself love DDR dogs. aside from being "head" turner when it comes to looks, i really like their hardness and balance.
zimbris,
i like this dog..he looks like a real monster!
(http://http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/bosfather.jpg)
any info about him?
Ron
yeah.. I told John I could not sleep for 2 nights after seeing this picture - this is what I want my GSD to look like!!! 1jump
John was kind to provide Bodo's info for us.
oh man... now that you 'made' me look at this picture again.. I need a drink :mrgreen:
da... i-am spus lui John ca n-am putut dormi 2 nopti dupa ce-am vazut poza asta - asa vreau sa arate CG-ul meu!!! 1jump
John a fost amabil sa ne dea si informatii despre Bodo.
off.. acum ca m-ai facut sa ma uit la poza asta... am nevoie de o bautura :mrgreen:
Post by: Johnsk9 on June 08, 2010, 04:31:02 AM
Lipsesc titluri si rezultate HD din copia asta a pedigreului. Am scos niste monte din sangele respectiv, am adaugat ceva sange estic (DDR) diferit. Din baza genetica respectiva il am pe Sammy D vom Ostschutz (la varsta de 5 luni avea deja 25 kg)
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/BigSammyD.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on June 24, 2010, 01:13:25 AM
its dogs like this that were probaly not utilised enough..
Post by: zimbris on June 24, 2010, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: Man Stopper
I like the look of this dog 'Dexter vom Schladebacher Waldchen', he is very good on paper also. Yet no info of progeny on the base,Sounds like the base is not always relevant, some would just simply not mention their dogs on it. If everything is OK with the dog, we may see some progenies in the future, I see he is still young.
its dogs like this that were probaly not utilised enough..
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/505959.jpg)
Post by: RogerW on June 29, 2010, 02:08:40 PM
Thanks so much for letting me sign up.
I have two GSDs, interested to see if what I am getting was to be expected from the peds.
Thanks
Roger
Post by: zimbris on June 29, 2010, 04:37:21 PM
Quote from: "RogerW"
Hi, I don't know if there is an introduction thread, I have been so busy soaking up this wonderfully informative forum. Just would like to say I have learned more in the last hour or so reading (great info, John! And Zimbris!) than I have in a LONG time about the German Shepherds I like the most (DDR).
Thanks so much for letting me sign up.
I have two GSDs, interested to see if what I am getting was to be expected from the peds.
Thanks
Roger
Roger
thank you for the kind comments on the forum, I am glad you found enough info to bring you up to date with things. Be assured that with someone like John around here you will be exposed to valuable info on the DDR dogs. John has a vast knowledge on the east dogs, particularly from the DDR lines.
Post by: RogerW on June 29, 2010, 05:00:20 PM
I also love that dog Grief...that is your dog, correct?
Post by: zimbris on June 29, 2010, 05:11:06 PM
Let me tell you I too would recommend John to any one interested in the east dogs. The man has a passion for these dogs and I believe where there's passion, there will also be a fruit of that passion.
Post by: RogerW on June 29, 2010, 05:59:29 PM
Post by: zimbris on June 30, 2010, 01:37:33 AM
Quote from: "RogerW"
I've never seen a bad guy or a wild hog stop and read papers. lolI know exactly what you mean! :lol: well they are indeed some really fine dogs, arn't they.. I mean, just going back to Bodo.. man.. when I saw that dog I thought "I want that!!!" I've seen dogs like that back in the very early 90's and hey, they were some capable dogs too, climbing up big walls and things like that, very athletic, not as drivey (back then) but they definitely had the "are you talking to me" look on their face!
Post by: zimbris on June 30, 2010, 01:57:34 AM
Mneah ca am revenit la Bodo :lol: catelusa din clipul asta e descendenta din Bella, sora de cuib a lui Bodo. Din pacate catelusa a murit muscata de un sarpe, era tanara si a vrut sa 'inspecteze' ce vede si...
[youtube]IOKGZHq9ps4[/youtube]
Post by: RogerW on June 30, 2010, 05:07:02 AM
We lost the best AB stud dog we ever had to a snake, although most of the time the dogs will live through getting bit, pups, too. In fact, usually it is the pups that get bit, the adults are wiser. My German Shepherds live in the house at night and have not come across one yet in the day time, but they are not very old yet either.
E superba... si cu drive. Da, era omicutza, nu?
Si noi am pierdut cel mai bun mascul Bulldog American pe care l-am avut, tot muscat de un sarpe, desi majoritatea cainilor mei au supravietuit muscaturilor, chiar si cateii. De fapt, de obicei cei mici sunt muscati de serpi, adultii sunt mai inteligenti. CGii mei stau in casa noaptea si inca nu au dat ochii cu un sarpe in timpul zilei, dar nici ei nu sunt inca maturi.
Post by: Man Stopper on June 30, 2010, 06:30:21 AM
Quote from: zimbris
This 'little' girl in the video is a descendant of Bella, Bodo's sister. She was 9 mo old in this video, unfortunatelly she was killed by a snake when playing outdoors
Mneah ca am revenit la Bodo :lol: catelusa din clipul asta e descendenta din Bella, sora de cuib a lui Bodo. Din pacate catelusa a murit muscata de un sarpe, era tanara si a vrut sa 'inspecteze' ce vede si...
Bella was a very strong female who passed this strength on to future generations, when it came to that BLOCKY DDR look..
We as you guys know have here in Australia, very strong looking females from Stormfronts Brawnson/ and Bella daughter (Von Forell Aria), who really passed on strong heads/muzzles... A male Stud dog Raennik Bero who has Bella on his maternal side has recently been repeatedly been used for his hardness..
Check out Raennik Dartangion who is 3-3 on Bella and in/linebred on many other dogs, something which is not to my liking with this combo..
Post by: RogerW on June 30, 2010, 08:57:29 AM
Post by: zimbris on June 30, 2010, 09:04:14 AM
Post by: zimbris on June 30, 2010, 12:42:33 PM
Hai John, pune frisca pe tort, posteaza niste poze cu caini tip "Bodo"
Post by: zimbris on June 30, 2010, 12:52:43 PM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/bettyrozenzweig2.jpg) (http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/bettyrozenzweig1.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/bettyrozenzweig3.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on June 30, 2010, 01:28:51 PM
We have a litter concieved via AI at the moment from Champ.. Has anyone got some info of this dog ?
Post by: zimbris on June 30, 2010, 01:42:25 PM
I could do with "heavy set" as long as it doesn't interfere with movement...
Post by: guest on June 30, 2010, 01:53:01 PM
What a superb female! You wouldn't say it's actually a female. Such bone structure, such impressive physique!
Post by: Johnsk9 on June 30, 2010, 02:02:22 PM
Champ Has a east-west sire line thru Zorro von der Wildsau. Al Gill has frozen semen on Champ
And i believe the Czech' and Bero vom Kretzschauer Land
Post by: zimbris on July 02, 2010, 11:51:52 PM
Manto, son of Lord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLflTQXNN5A
Post by: zimbris on July 04, 2010, 05:53:25 AM
I like this dog, I like the attitude it seems to reflect in the picture. He's a Lord grandson on mother side and got some 'serious' blood on father side
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/126083.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on July 10, 2010, 02:26:06 AM
Don Haus Himpel son
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/480884.jpg)
Post by: kangdanlin on July 10, 2010, 03:24:17 AM
is it just me or does Lord have the highest number of progenies (of the DDR dogs)?
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 10, 2010, 06:04:16 PM
Quote from: kangdanlin
mi se pare mie sau Lord Gleisdreieck are cam cel mai mare numar de urmasi?
is it just me or does Lord have the highest number of progenies (of the DDR dogs)?
SCHH3 (LGA) FH2 IPO3
V Tino vom Felsenschloß DDR-had 590-600 pups
Tino vom Felsenschloß DDR a avut 590 - 600 urmasi
Post by: Man Stopper on July 10, 2010, 08:28:29 PM
Tino a dat catei cu cap imens chiar si fiind bunic pe partea mamei, pana si asa a contribuit, se pare..
Post by: zimbris on July 10, 2010, 11:51:44 PM
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/396676.html (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/396676.html)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/396676.jpg)
And here is the military type which I posted before. This was a border patrol dog
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/cgclasic0001.jpg)
also, speaking of big heads - check out the female in this video amd the pup.. in the description I see names like Don Rolandsteich, Golf Ritterberg...
apropos de cap mare - ia uitati femela din clipul asta.. in descrierea clipului apar nume ca Don Rolandsteich, Golf Ritterberg..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BR04oF_n5w
Post by: zimbris on July 11, 2010, 01:34:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lSR0rePwj8
Post by: kangdanlin on July 11, 2010, 02:40:10 AM
cam asa s-ar traduce descrierea de acolo
100% DDR lines, blood, Golf v. Ritterberg, Don v. Rolandsteich, Fels v. Kemmlerblick
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2010, 02:48:15 PM
is the real working blood of the DDR bloodlines 11 and 12. But instead the chose the blood of the 13A. The chose V rated dogs and the lose the working blood. Poor trade off in my opinion.What good is the conformation and the dogs have no civil and work drives :twisted: [/color]
Post by: zimbris on July 12, 2010, 02:34:45 AM
Ce pacat.....
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 12, 2010, 07:14:51 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
What a shame....
Ce pacat.....
Yes Dani it is/ They would much rather line breed on Sven vom Gräfental or Tino vom Schäferliesel
then Tino vom Felsenschloß and Don vom Rolandsteich.My opinion is the combination of these lines 11 -12 and 5a
give better dogs.
Post by: Man Stopper on July 12, 2010, 07:34:47 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 12, 2010, 08:01:02 AM
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
I cant find a site where it shows lines 5a - 13a and lists the dogs.. Its simplified compared to the original form.. Appreciate if you guys can help us out..
I'll have Dani post a chart
Post by: RogerW on July 12, 2010, 09:47:29 AM
Post by: zimbris on July 12, 2010, 10:08:48 AM
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/TDn6KT8plII/AAAAAAAABIw/3ZygF2HtHto/s640/plan84.jpg)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/TDn6KA7JihI/AAAAAAAABIs/yaAjrmrgZ6Q/s640/plan87.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on July 12, 2010, 10:47:53 AM
I bet it would be a thick, medium to large dog with maybe medium drive but rather (if not very) civilah... and definitely really good pigment
Post by: zimbris on July 12, 2010, 11:57:10 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1710924400606508008#
http://www.vomdomburgerland.nl/video_2/Video%204_02.wmv
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 12, 2010, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
N Jim
http://http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1710924400606508008#
alternatively, for those of you who can view online wmv files.
Dani what year was this video 1986 -1987? Jim's D.o.b is 05/04/1985 he was a young dog in the video
Post by: zimbris on July 12, 2010, 11:58:18 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 13, 2010, 10:36:11 AM
Post by: zimbris on July 13, 2010, 11:06:13 AM
he looks young in this picture so I'm presuming it was taken soon after being brought to the States.
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/njimusa.jpg)
Post by: kangdanlin on July 13, 2010, 11:10:15 AM
very cool dog john...it that you in the picture?
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 13, 2010, 11:32:46 AM
Quote from: kangdanlin
waw...super frumos...ce pigment are
very cool dog john...it that you in the picture?
No that is a guy who handled Jim at the time.They placed him in the AKC show competition
And he was bred to many show dogs.Why the women who bought Jim wanted show titles
:cool:
Nu, in poza e tipul care-l avea la momentul respectiv. L-au clasat bine in competitiile de show AKC (American Kennel Club). Si a fost montat cu multe catele de show. De ce - pt ca femeia care l-a cumparat pe Jim vroia titluri in show
Post by: zimbris on July 13, 2010, 11:46:43 AM
Quote from: "Johnsk9"
No that is a guy who handled Jim at the time.They placed him in the AKC show competitionthere I say it again: shame.....
And he was bred to many show dogs.Why the women who bought Jim wanted show titles
o spun din nou: pacat....
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 13, 2010, 12:08:41 PM
DDR SGRN '89 SCHH1 she was said to be a good working dogs. Dani
there is a video clip on the same one as Jim with Paula
maybe you can find it
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/ped ... 19792.html (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/119792.html)
Post by: zimbris on July 13, 2010, 12:21:07 PM
http://www.clipfish.de/video/1006049/paula-von-trafalga
The Trafalga breeder was breeding mainly for conformation, right?
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 13, 2010, 12:35:41 PM
Quote from: zimbris
Paula v Trafalga
http://www.clipfish.de/video/1006049/paula-von-trafalga
or if you can view inline wmv video:
HISTORY http://www.trafalga.de/ (http://www.trafalga.de/)
How it all began ...
My life revolved around only the German Shepherd.
I am born in July 1945 in Gera. At the age of 6 years, I managed to convince my mother and I bought my first sheep dog without papers. Two years later, I stepped in the SV, the locals Parchim Lübz and one in. In 1954 I bought it the first German shepherd with papers.
My first SG tips I received from the book with the bitch Nora Hagen place.
By train and bike all the time I am driven to exhibitions.
My life revolved only round the German Shepherd Dog.
I was born in Gera in July 1945th At the age of 6 years I convinced my mother and I my first German Shepherd Dog acqired without pedigree. Two years later I came in the SV. Then in 1954 I bought my first German Shepherd with pedigree.
My first top SG I awarded with the female dog from the book Nora Hagen place.
In those days I went to all shows with train and bicycle.
1970 was my first litter. A year later I won my first DDR title winner in junior class bitches.
In the year 1970 my first litter lay. One year later I won my first title winner of the GDR in the junior class bitches.
Until 1989, I won 12 DDR winning titles, distributed to all classes and groups and put the best breeding stallions. The last title I won in East Germany won the Working class bitches with Paula by Trafalga.
Till 1989 I won 12 title winner of the GDR in all classes and I showed the best groups of dogs and breeding. The winner last title I won in the working dog class females with the female dog by Paula Trafalga.
Shepherd dogs from the kennel Trafalga all continents of the earth went on.
German Shepherds from Trafalga kennels are going to all continents of the earth.
From 1968 to 1998 I was Chairman of National Group of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.
Because of my construction company I was from 1990 to 1998 in the sports area of the SV less active. Only since 1999, I put all my energy back breeding and one for the sport and I am with my children, daughter Mandy and son Joe, and with a great team, regularly active on every issue and a successful effort.
Since 2002, my daughter grows on the kennel name "vom Haus Trafalga.
I have my career several times in the alphabet thoroughbred.
In recent years I was with my dogs very successful at the national winner at dog shows and breed shows National Group I more often the breeding group competition won.
From the year 1968 till 1998 I was chairman of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania in the SV.
Between 1990 and 1998 I was less active in sports of the SV, because of my building firm. Since 1999 I use my power again for breeding and sport and I'm regulary active and successful at shows with my children, daughter Mandy and son Jochen and a top team.
Since the year 2002 my daughter Mandy breeds dogs "from the house Trafalga.
In my career I bred through the alphabet several times.
In the last years I was very successful with my dogs at the Sieger Show in Germany and many times at the Nationals I won the competition about the best breeding group
(http://www.trafalga.de/vontrafalga/pic/bild2.jpg)
(http://www.trafalga.de/vontrafalga/pic/vatimitdina.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on July 13, 2010, 01:19:38 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 13, 2010, 01:28:24 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
Paula v Trafalga
http://http://www.clipfish.de/video/1006049/paula-von-trafalga
or if you can view inline wmv video:
The Trafalga breeder was breeding mainly for conformation, right?
yes conformation.i would say they changed to show lines quickly after the wall came down
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 13, 2010, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
I think I was right about this onefor the conformation line you can see the old type in these photos
Post by: zimbris on July 13, 2010, 01:38:47 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on July 14, 2010, 09:21:00 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 14, 2010, 10:07:51 AM
a-normal, schh3, fh2, ipo 3, kkl 1
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Tino.jpg)
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/TinoSitz.jpg)
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/TinoSitzWasserzeichenJPG.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on July 14, 2010, 01:12:30 PM
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
Don v. Trafalga was brought over to Australia in the mid 70's and had contributed plenty in producing some excellent specimens, who themselves produced hard aggressive dogs. So Trafalga kennels gets a thumbs up from me...
I've seen Charlie Trafalga in a video, there's a few seconds of that dog in a video on John's website, massive head!!
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 14, 2010, 01:35:58 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
Quote from: "Man Stopper"Don v. Trafalga was brought over to Australia in the mid 70's and had contributed plenty in producing some excellent specimens, who themselves produced hard aggressive dogs. So Trafalga kennels gets a thumbs up from me...
I've seen Charlie Trafalga in a video, there's a few seconds of that dog in a video on John's website, massive head!!
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/ped ... 17651.html (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/417651.html)
Post by: zimbris on July 15, 2010, 02:23:45 AM
Am gasit niste poze cu caini DDR, poze diferite fatza de cele pe care le putem gasi de obicei pe net
Don Rolandsteich
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/TD2AefAbvWI/AAAAAAAABJA/lLM4j1CDAyQ/don%20rolandsteich.jpg)
Filou Kaolinsee
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/TD2AevyANCI/AAAAAAAABJE/ZEmHlZls-HA/filou%20kaolinsee.jpg)
Golf Ritterberg
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/TD2AeiaaE2I/AAAAAAAABJI/NmRnU2zHpm0/golf%20ritterberg.jpg)
Neumann's Jim
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/TD2AerGKMXI/AAAAAAAABJM/CtnRROPXXRw/neumann%27s%20jim.jpg)
and check out this great looking one - Xanto Haus Assja
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/TD2CtfjWNFI/AAAAAAAABJU/LAkAOWKc0-o/xanto%20haus%20assja.jpg)
Quindt Barutherland
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/TD2Uop8esyI/AAAAAAAABJw/KRtblQoqNOE/quindt%20baruther%20land.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on July 15, 2010, 02:34:55 AM
cam asa arata un pedigree n RDG
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/TD2D28CozOI/AAAAAAAABJc/3bD7TJ0ydfo/s640/ahnentafel2gr.jpg)
John here's another chart:
inca un tabel
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/TD2FPUnfHnI/AAAAAAAABJk/GEXmnlLeMLw/s640/zuchtlinien.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on July 15, 2010, 09:44:06 AM
The first time i seen Held Ritterberg got me hooked on the DDR lines..!
Pozele astea sunt excelente, multumiri pt postari, personal imi doresc sa putem vedea mai multe poze alb-negreu clasice..
Prima data cand am vazut poza cu Held Ritterberg am ramas legat de cainii DDR...!
Post by: zimbris on July 15, 2010, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: Man Stopper
Dani these pics are excellent and thanks for sharing, i personally wish we could see more original nostalgic b/w photos..I know exactly what you mean, when I first saw the picture below I remember I posted in a different forum "I wish this dog would still be alive, I would breed all my females to that dog" :lol:
The first time i seen Held Ritterberg got me hooked on the DDR lines..!
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/17017.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on July 15, 2010, 12:12:51 PM
Kliff v Rosenhof
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/KliffvRosenhof.jpg)
Quinn v Kalkbruch
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/QuinnvKalkbruch.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on July 15, 2010, 12:33:39 PM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/rexhausiris.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on July 15, 2010, 02:44:36 PM
un clip super reprezentativ pt rasa:
[youtube:1hr0ufb8]1O-vFf0ewBo[/youtube:1hr0ufb8]
Maybe in the years to come more people who have footage like this will make the videos available for many to see. So far the Lord Gleisdreieck I think was the best...
Sper ca in anii care vin mai multi detinatori de astfel de secvente video clasice sa le posteze pe net sa le poata vedea cat mai multi. Pana acum cele cu Lord Gleisdreieck mi se par cele mai tari.
Post by: RogerW on July 15, 2010, 06:56:44 PM
Post by: zimbris on July 15, 2010, 11:34:19 PM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/hvrb.jpg)
Post by: dux on July 16, 2010, 12:49:09 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
ok... this has got to be the golden 'touch', check this out:Imi plac ultimele secunde in care cainele este provocat.cu cata violenta ataca.
un clip super reprezentativ pt rasa:
[youtube:3s0yjzcg]1O-vFf0ewBo[/youtube:3s0yjzcg]
Maybe in the years to come more people who have footage like this will make the videos available for many to see. So far the Lord Gleisdreieck I think was the best...
Sper ca in anii care vin mai multi detinatori de astfel de secvente video clasice sa le posteze pe net sa le poata vedea cat mai multi. Pana acum cele cu Lord Gleisdreieck mi se par cele mai tari.
I love the last seconds in the clip, where the dog is being provoked. he shows good aggressiveness.
Post by: shamankin6 on July 17, 2010, 06:56:52 PM
Now, back to work!
Ron
Post by: zimbris on July 18, 2010, 12:46:52 AM
Quote from: "shamankin6"
Special thanks to John and Dani for very nice sharing of information, pictures and videos. It was a blast! It took me 2 hours to digest all the information share by different people. I'm here now at work in the office and haven't started yet anything! My mind and attention focuses on this particular thread reading and kept on dreaming about these wonderful dogs. Thanks again guys...I'lve learn alot and want to learn more... ;)
Now, back to work! :D
Post by: shamankin6 on July 18, 2010, 07:40:01 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
Good to know you find the info valuable.. Hey man, John is the man here in the DDR section, most of what I post comes from him in the first place!!
Indeed my friend.. Those information are first class! Thanks again to both of you..
Ron
Post by: shamankin6 on July 18, 2010, 07:44:50 AM
Thanks!
Ron
Post by: shamankin6 on July 18, 2010, 10:07:00 AM
Do you know Arek vom Norben? What can you say about this dog? I like his pedigree.. :)
Arek vom Norben
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/484438.jpg)
Ron
Post by: zimbris on July 18, 2010, 10:15:03 AM
Quote from: "shamankin6"
Just wanna ask John and Dani if there are DDR dogs compete in French Ring? Aside from SchH, IPO and KNPV?
Thanks!
Ron
hmm... not that I know.. But I am tempted to think DDR dog owners are not interested in sports..
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 18, 2010, 12:12:11 PM
Henry vom Ödland and his mother sire Tino vom Schäferliesel general give soft dogs. I know Henry
was sold here cause he was not very good, thats why he has a show title. DDR dogs are not really good for any sport the lack the drives to compete at the same level as the other dogs do.The East Germans did not breed or use them for sport nor for the matter Show dogs
Post by: zimbris on July 18, 2010, 12:19:57 PM
Post by: shamankin6 on July 18, 2010, 02:38:33 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
Quote from: "shamankin6"Just wanna ask John and Dani if there are DDR dogs compete in French Ring? Aside from SchH, IPO and KNPV?
Thanks!
Ron
hmm... not that I know.. But I am tempted to think DDR dog owners are not interested in sports..
I agree. Since DDR dogs are known to be less "drivey" dog. But we can't also deny that nowadays that there are many DDR excel in Sports. That's why I do ask if there are DDR dogs you've known being campaign in French or Mondio Rings.
Post by: shamankin6 on July 18, 2010, 02:41:37 PM
Quote from: "Johnsk9"
Arek vom Norben Probably a good pet dog. His pedigree and line breeding look good on paper. But His Sire
Henry vom Ödland and his mother sire Tino vom Schäferliesel general give soft dogs. I know Henry
was sold here cause he was not very good, thats why he has a show title. DDR dogs are not really good for any sport the lack the drives to compete at the same level as the other dogs do.The East Germans did not breed or use them for sport nor for the matter Show dogs
Thanks for that information John.
Ron
Post by: zimbris on July 18, 2010, 10:14:02 PM
Fiu de Lord Gleisdreieck
(http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq357/Kamy_022/Site/ddr.jpg)
In this video he is 7 years old and the protection is done WPO style (Police trials) with 2 decoys.
In clipul de jos are 7 ani si protectia e efectuata ca la concursurile de politie, cu 2 atentatori
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lK2WGBe8Jc
Post by: zimbris on July 18, 2010, 10:29:35 PM
Articol despre Alk. A fost caine politist
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Alk5182.jpg) (http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Alk25192.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Alk35201.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on July 19, 2010, 03:38:03 AM
I've translated parts of the articles, the ones that are more clear.
Evidence/Proba
La inceputul primaverii Alk si Greg au fost chemati la domiciliul unui preot a carui casa fusese pradata de hoti; nu se cunostea data exacta cand a fost sparta casa pt ca preotul si sotia lui erau plecati de acasa.
Oricum, echipa a luat urma - prin iarba si prin cateva tufisuri, apoi Alk la un momentdat s-a culcat. Politistul conductor a explicat colegului sau ca animalul s-a oprit pt ca a luat urma unui obiect cazut, apartinand hotului. Continuand cu verificarile Greg a realizat ca era vorba de o carcasa de caseta audio; a luat-o cu atentie de jos si a pus-o pe un pom din apropiere pt a o lua mai tarziu, apoi au continuat cautarile. Au ajuns apoi la o alta casa din zona care fusese pradata de hoti, desi cei de la adresa respectiva abia acum aflau despre jaf! De acolo au intrat intr-o zona dezgustatoare si au sistat cautarile.
Au recuperat acea carcasa de caseta si au luat cu succes amprente de pe ea. Amprentele nu corespundeau cu cele ale pastorului sau a sotiei lui dar se potriveau cu cele ale unui infractor trecut care locuia in acea zona in care au sistat cautarea. Reputatia cainelui Alk plus dovada amprentelor au dus la prinderea hotului.
Departament / Sectia
Ofiterul Greg Mominee multumeste mult colegilor sai de lucru in departament sau in zona. In baza multor dovezi gasite de cainele sau (Alk) multe condamnari s-au facut, in mare parte si datorita faptului ca zona crimei a fost mereu pastrata neatinsa de colegi pt ca sa se poate efectua lucrul cu cainele, fara a ruina ceva prin calcarea anumitor obiecte, iar ei marcau cu o esarfa sau banda zona in care suspectul a fost vazut ultima oara sau unde ofiterii au pierdut urma acestuia, prin urmare oferindu-i-se lui Alk un punct bun de inceput.
"Pe strada" Alk si Greg vor continua cautarea si prinderea infractorilor in cadrul Departamentului Politienesc din Monroe County si vor continua sa concureze si pe ternul competitional. Ei vor fi in echipa care care va reprezenta Statele Unite la IDM (International Police Dog Championship - Campionatul International de Caini De Politie) in Lubeck, Germania, in perioada 2-4 a acestui an (1999) iar la revenirea in tara vor concura in Campionatul Cainilor de Politie (WPO) in Denver la sfarsitul lui Octombrie. Le dorim succes in tot ce vor face.
Post by: zimbris on July 26, 2010, 08:38:12 AM
nice looking head on the '75 DDR sieger
(http://www.eastgermanshepherd.com/64860.gif)
si imi place si Fels, siegerul din 1980
I also like the look of Fels, '80 sieger
(http://www.eastgermanshepherd.com/92324.gif)
Post by: guest on July 26, 2010, 09:30:09 AM
Post by: zimbris on July 26, 2010, 09:36:34 AM
just looking for more DDR dogs pictures...
Queen vd Muritz
(http://www.eastgermanshepherd.com/queen.gif)
Iwo vom Rittersring
(http://www.eastgermanshepherd.com/iwo.gif)
am tot dat si de poza asta cu Ingo, dar cainele din imaginea respectiva nu prea seamana cu cel din poza care apare si pe databse cu acelasi caine
also, I came across this particular picture when looking for ones of Ingo Rudingen.. the dog in this one doesn't seem to be the same one in the more often online featured image..
(http://www.eastgermanshepherd.com/ingo.jpg)
imi place cainele asta
I like this dog
Olm Christiensruch
(http://www.altdeutscheswappen.de/bilder/ronja/eltern/vorfahren/olm_christiensruh.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on July 26, 2010, 10:19:04 AM
anyone speaking German around here to help with this..?
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/flexbmddr.jpg)
Post by: guest on July 26, 2010, 10:47:42 AM
"Flex este agil si cu temperament dur. Iese in evidenta in special prin aspectul sau general, nervi puternici, incredere de sine, absolut esentiale in serviciul de protectie. Bunicul sau, Don v. Rolandsteich este probabil unul dintre cei mai buni masculi din ultimii ani in RDG."
Sper ca n-am dat-o-n bara prea rau cu tradusul, mai mult nu ma mai incumet!!! : :blush:
Post by: RogerW on July 27, 2010, 04:08:56 AM
Post by: zimbris on July 28, 2010, 11:20:17 PM
1985
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/ddr_sieger1985.jpg)
1987
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/lord_gleisdreieck1983.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/siegerpruefung1987.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 29, 2010, 04:42:04 AM
Quote from: zimbris
vorbeste cineva germana sa ne traduca si noua ce se zice acolo...?Flex is agile and tough temperament. Stands out in particular by the general appearance, strong nerves, self confidence, absolutely essential to the protection service. His grandfather, Don V. Rolandsteich is probably one of the best male past years in the GDR. "
anyone speaking German around here to help with this..?
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/flexbmddr.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on July 29, 2010, 05:23:56 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 29, 2010, 05:45:00 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
well what do you know.. Thara was pretty close with her Romainan version...
Dani I had my friend translate it into english. I know flex was brought in and then sold to another person.That person said Flex was very good.The sad thing is they bred to to females that did nothing to save the bloodline
Dani am rugat pe un prieten sa traduca. Stiu ca Flex a fostadus in state si apoi cumparat de o alta persoana, care a spus ca Flex era un caine f bun. Partea trista este ca nu l-au montat in asa fel incat sa se salveze sangele
Post by: zimbris on July 29, 2010, 06:22:53 AM
..ma insel eu cumva, sau astas-a intamplat cu multi caini DDR cand au fost adusi in State..
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 29, 2010, 06:42:45 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
..is it just me or was this the case with many DDR dogs when they were brought over to the States..
..ma insel eu cumva, sau astas-a intamplat cu multi caini DDR cand au fost adusi in State..
Near all dani.West and American show.Almost no ddr to ddr breedings.No saving and blood.
You know Bodo vom Lierberg was sold to people in California he had no great breeding.For
the most part over looked.So many forgot about the old blood when it was the best.They think i can do better and now today we have no great blood the GSD is not the same.The dogs we once
knew are gone
Aproape toti. Sange de frumusete Vestic si American a fost cel folosit mult, iar cel DDR aproape deloc. Nu s-a salvat sangele.
Stii ca Bodo Lierberg a fost vandut in California, cainele nu a fost folosit cine stie ce. In cea mai mare parte a fost subestimat. Multi nu au luat in considerare vechiul sange atunci cand era momentul cel mai bun. Ei s-au gandit ca se vor descurca dar in zilele noastre CG-ul nu mai e acelasi. Cainii pe care-i stiam candva au cam disparut.
Post by: zimbris on July 29, 2010, 07:04:04 AM
Da John ai dreptate.. in ziua de azi dai f greu de tipul de caine pe care-l stiam candva. Desi anumiti caini sunt laudati puternic pe ici pe colo, eu unul dau de caini buni in locuri in care te astepti mai putin si de multe ori (sau cela mai multe ori) e vorba de caini care nu au documente... dar sunt caini f buni.
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 29, 2010, 07:45:23 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
Yes John you are so right... nowadays one hardly comes across the type of GS dog we once knew. Although many dogs are praised up in many places, I for one come across good dogs in places one would expect less, and I am talking dogs with no papers in many of the situations.. really awesome dogs.
Da John ai dreptate.. in ziua de azi dai f greu de tipul de caine pe care-l stiam candva. Desi anumiti caini sunt laudati puternic pe ici pe colo, eu unul dau de caini buni in locuri in care te astepti mai putin si de multe ori (sau cela mai multe ori) e vorba de caini care nu au documente... dar sunt caini f buni.
Dani The
Quote
B litter vom Lierbergis still noted to best the best breed dogs ever.
Post by: zimbris on July 29, 2010, 07:51:48 AM
I will be extremely glad the day i see any footage of either Bernd or Bodo...
Post by: zimbris on July 29, 2010, 08:17:12 AM
some clips of DDR dogs, check out the body frame. the clips were taken in the early 90's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY6CsVUzfjw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBwikaySzIY
Post by: kangdanlin on July 29, 2010, 01:46:57 PM
wow... superb :))
Post by: kangdanlin on July 29, 2010, 02:01:42 PM
these dogs look very good... I really like them
Post by: kangdanlin on July 29, 2010, 02:28:01 PM
Post by: zimbris on July 29, 2010, 11:35:47 PM
Post by: zimbris on July 30, 2010, 02:11:40 PM
I came across a few more rare shots
Don
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/DonRolandsteich.jpg)
N Jim
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/NeumannsJim2.jpg)
Lord
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/LordvGleisdreieck2.jpg)
Fred v Falkenbruch
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/FredvFalkenbruch.jpg)
Post by: RogerW on July 30, 2010, 02:32:42 PM
Post by: zimbris on July 30, 2010, 02:40:29 PM
Gazan Wolfshohle
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/GazanWolfshohle.jpg)
Flex vom blauen Modeneser
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/FlexvomblauenModeneser.jpg)
This one looks a lot like the 80's dogs I used to come across!! Big time!
Asta seamana f mult cu cainii pe care ii vedeam prin anii 80!
Bero
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/BerovomKrgers-Hof.jpg)
Frei Baruther Land - what an awesome looking dog / ce caine aratos
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/FreiBarutherLand.jpg)
Fels vom Kemmlerblick
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/FelsvomKemmlerblick.jpg)
Post by: shamankin6 on July 30, 2010, 09:28:54 PM
I guess this the closet picture of Lord I've seen! nice shoot too... :shocked:
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/LordvGleisdreieck2.jpg)
Ron
Post by: zimbris on July 30, 2010, 09:34:19 PM
da, asta e si motivul pt care am postat-o, pare sa fie cea mai clara poza cu Lord
Post by: shamankin6 on July 30, 2010, 10:01:33 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
yes that's why I've posted it, seems to be the clearest so far, doesn't it...
da, asta e si motivul pt care am postat-o, pare sa fie cea mai clara poza cu Lord
yeah indeed Dani..Lord really rocks!
Ron
Post by: zimbris on July 30, 2010, 10:04:09 PM
Cred ca cea care-mi place cel mai mult (din cainii 'vechi') este a lui Held, iar din cainii mai recenti, cea a lui Bodo.
Post by: zimbris on July 30, 2010, 10:59:13 PM
Norwin von die Laager Tannen
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/NorwinvondieLaagerTannen.jpg)
Post by: RogerW on July 31, 2010, 09:30:53 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 31, 2010, 09:38:25 AM
Quote from: "RogerW"
I like that Gazan dog! I like all of them.Gazan von der Wolfshohle
SchH 1
Gazan was a beautiful, bi color male imported from East Germany in the early 1980's.
Gazan had very strong nerves and was extremely serious in the protection work. He was safe with children and guests but also a very real dog that would protect his family without hesitation.
This is who bought and bred him
http://www.adlerstein.com/gazanw.htm (http://www.adlerstein.com/gazanw.htm)
Post by: Man Stopper on August 02, 2010, 07:34:15 AM
Quote from: zimbris
Am mai gasit ceva poze mai rare
I came across a few more rare shots
Don
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/DonRolandsteich.jpg)
Young strong and BIG is The 'Don' in this photo, super specimen and producer...!
Tanar, puternic si MARE este Don in poza asta, un specimen si producator super!
Post by: zimbris on August 02, 2010, 08:14:50 AM
da.. mie imi plac mai toti cainii prezentati in pozele de mai sus.. greu de ales care imi place cel mai mult.. pt acum favoritul meu ramane Held Ritterberg
Post by: Man Stopper on August 02, 2010, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
yeah.. I like most of the dogs featured in the images.. tough one to choose for my "favorite".. so far it still is Held Ritterberg...
da.. mie imi plac mai toti cainii prezentati in pozele de mai sus.. greu de ales care imi place cel mai mult.. pt acum favoritul meu ramane Held Ritterberg
Ye there all pretty good examples of that DDR type, and i also put Held v Ritterberg on the top of the list when it comes to overall structure type..
Held in a sense gave me the fascination of old DDR dogs, and Casso has been the type i have visualised for the last decade or so..
He truly has that Held look about him...
Post by: zimbris on August 02, 2010, 09:21:03 AM
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
Ye there all pretty good examples of that DDR type, and i also put Held v Ritterberg on the top of the list when it comes to overall structure type..
Held in a sense gave me the fascination of old DDR dogs, and Casso has been the type i have visualised for the last decade or so..
He truly has that Held look about him... ;)
I think I would be extremely happy with a dog that looked like Held or Bodo and with the temperament of either Bernd or Pele Kiebitzmoor..
Post by: shamankin6 on August 03, 2010, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
Quote from: "Man Stopper"Ye there all pretty good examples of that DDR type, and i also put Held v Ritterberg on the top of the list when it comes to overall structure type..
Held in a sense gave me the fascination of old DDR dogs, and Casso has been the type i have visualised for the last decade or so..
He truly has that Held look about him... ;)
I think I would be extremely happy with a dog that looked like Held or Bodo and with the temperament of either Bernd or Pele Kiebitzmoor..
Dani, If i would have a dog like this. Surely, will put him at the pedastal!
BTW, just wandering why these great dogs and their owners wasn't able to keep frozen semen during the time there are still alive? Unless during their times frozen semen is not possible yet.
Ron
Post by: Man Stopper on August 05, 2010, 08:46:04 AM
Quote
BTW, just wandering why these great dogs and their owners wasn't able to keep frozen semen during the time there are still alive? Unless during their times frozen semen is not possible yet.
Ron
Think i have read on another Forum that in the early 80's, it was possible yet dogs such as Don and Lord were not stored for future use.. I wonder if
Held v Ritterberg semen were available what would be the price figure
Post by: zimbris on August 05, 2010, 08:59:04 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on August 05, 2010, 09:23:25 AM
Quote
At times i think that many DDR dogs have that look of Held... Only that most photo's we see dont catch the right expression. such as a full flared muzzle look.. I think that the photograph of Held and Ingo v Rudingen are very nicely taken.. These days we can fabricate the whole look of the dog, with trick photography...
I came across a few more rare shots
Don
(http://http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/DonRolandsteich.jpg)
Young strong and BIG is The 'Don' in this photo, super specimen and producer...!
Tanar, puternic si MARE este Don in poza asta, un specimen si producator super![/quote][/quote]
This one of Don is totally much better, then the other photo with the guy in the picture..
Post by: Johnsk9 on August 06, 2010, 10:41:42 AM
Mark disappeared in the late 90's i believe. I believe sometime between 2005 and 2006 i received a phone call
from Mark. He was looking for a pup and not just any pup you should all know he wanted something with Don
vom Rolandsteich.So who better to call. I do not think any person today that has as much or as many lines to Don.I talked with Mark for a long time and asked about the rumors of frozen semen from Don and sure enough he did freeze semen. Now the sad part no one kept the fees up so i guess like any semen not paid for it is deposed of.Now for the people who have no real experience in the frozen semen let me tell you a few things one is it does not always survive the freezing and thawing. And it not always give a litter. And then if you do not have the correct lines to breed to results may not be what you wish or dream for. In talking with Mark i can tell you what he told me about Don and this applies to any dog we may call great. Breeding with big named dogs can be many and often it is done just for stud fees so many pups are ordinary some good and a lot of crap does come when dogs are breed this way. So Don produce some ordinary and some crap dogs. Today there is frozen semen on some old ddr dogs but i can tell you the owners of the semen have used it and results were not great or even good nothing like the sires the semen came from.Why they did not know what to use the semen on or have the blood to do so. That is why we do not hear of the success of bring back any old dogs. For people thinking who is Mark Reed He is the person in the photo with Don and was one of the first people to bring the ddr dogs in.. A great Don son Jim was here also and he was bred mostly to show line dogs
Mark bought a male pup from Hena C kennel and sold it a year or so later. I had no pups at the time. But had he waited 4-5 months later Big Sammy D was Born. He could have him Sammy D has Don sons in his pedigree
Sammy D 4 1/2 months old 56 lbs
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/BigSammyD.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on August 06, 2010, 11:31:28 AM
Mark a mai adus un catel din canisa Hena C si l-a vandut dupa aprox un an. Eu nu aveam catei la momentul respectiv. Dar daca ar fi asteptat 4 sau 5 luni, se nascuse Big Sammy D. Il putea avea, Sammy are fii din Don in sange.
In poza, Sammy are 4 luni jumate si 26 kg.
Post by: zimbris on August 06, 2010, 12:08:21 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on August 06, 2010, 12:28:06 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
John... would you say those who got their hands on those good dogs simply did not know how to make the best in terms of breeding, once they brought the dogs in..? Did they simply lack the experience..? I mean, why have things gone so wrong during the last years..Well there was no concern to save or preserve any of these dogs at the time. Many went to police or home business protection so many of these were not bred many were used to try and improve head and bone type,to improve or darken pigment and civil drive. Very few people bred to keep the ddr lines. On one of the Ed Frawley videos he talks of this[/b] while filming the ddr trail.I think just as today sport is very big many these dogs were not in favor of the sport groups.
Dani i think you have this video you listen to Frawley talk you will hear the comment he makes about the use of the dogs and how they will be gone
Post by: zimbris on August 06, 2010, 12:45:12 PM
Post by: zimbris on August 06, 2010, 12:46:39 PM
Iran von der Buschecke
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/IranvonderBuschecke.jpg)
Kendo vom Schotterhof
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/KendovomSchotterhof.jpg)
Condor von der Gottgauer Mühle
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/CondorvonderGottgauerMhle.jpg)
Cliff vom Düstergrund
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/CliffvomDstergrund.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on August 06, 2010, 02:04:22 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on August 07, 2010, 10:00:08 AM
Quote
But had he waited 4-5 months later Big Sammy D was Born. He could have him Sammy D has Don sons in his pedigree
Sammy D 4 1/2 months old 56 lbs
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/BigSammyD.jpg)
This photo truly shows the size of Sammy, and he turned out to be a beast of a dog..
Casso isn't to far away with 24 kg at 19 weeks <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />
Quote from: zimbris
John... would you say those who got their hands on those good dogs simply did not know how to make the best in terms of breeding, once they brought the dogs in..? Did they simply lack the experience..? I mean, why have things gone so wrong during the last years..
Like with most things in life we appreciate/regret it 'most' when its gone...!
Post by: zimbris on August 07, 2010, 10:09:51 AM
Post by: shamankin6 on August 07, 2010, 06:33:18 PM
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
QuoteBut had he waited 4-5 months later Big Sammy D was Born. He could have him Sammy D has Don sons in his pedigree
Sammy D 4 1/2 months old 56 lbs
(http://http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/BigSammyD.jpg)
This photo truly shows the size of Sammy, and he turned out to be a beast of a dog..
Casso isn't to far away with 24 kg at 19 weeksQuote from: "zimbris"John... would you say those who got their hands on those good dogs simply did not know how to make the best in terms of breeding, once they brought the dogs in..? Did they simply lack the experience..? I mean, why have things gone so wrong during the last years..
Like with most things in life we appreciate/regret it 'most' when its gone...!
I agree. Many great dogs proved their greatness when they are already 6 feet under. And people appreciate them more when they were long gone.
Ron
Post by: shamankin6 on August 07, 2010, 06:35:28 PM
SG Uncas vom Poppitz
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/386641.jpg)
Ron
Post by: zimbris on August 07, 2010, 11:02:02 PM
Also interesting blood (5-5 on Don)
We will let John add anything if need be..
I think John won't be around for a few days though.
this is the dog I'm talking about (which I actually like more than the one pictured above, as far as build)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/aug201021.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/aug201022.jpg)
Post by: guest on August 08, 2010, 12:41:25 AM
Post by: zimbris on August 08, 2010, 12:42:34 AM
Post by: guest on August 08, 2010, 12:48:05 AM
Post by: zimbris on August 08, 2010, 12:54:43 AM
Post by: guest on August 08, 2010, 01:00:19 AM
Post by: zimbris on August 08, 2010, 01:13:27 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on August 08, 2010, 10:21:22 AM
Post by: guest on August 08, 2010, 10:39:36 AM
Am facut eu o cautare, ca-mi place masculul si se pare ca Uncas ii are in pedigree pe Neumann's Jim, Don vom Rolandsteich, Pele vom Kiebitzmoor, Held Ritterberg, Lord Gleisdreieck.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/386641.html (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/386641.html)
(http://wdcontent03.working-dog.eu/bcHhZVEMZw8II9bCdWSTLr4kmLQ2W7-9pAAZUcRl6AY,.jpg)
(http://wdcontent03.working-dog.eu/bcHhZVEMZw8II9bCdWSTLisn1bgjDvFs6GwEmHaQxWA,.jpg)
Post by: kangdanlin on August 08, 2010, 01:43:51 PM
Post by: zimbris on August 08, 2010, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: "kangdanlin"
frumos cainele, totusi in ultima poza pare usor cam mic...nu?pozele pot insela mult... unghiul, lumina etc...
Post by: shamankin6 on August 08, 2010, 04:46:19 PM
Quote from: "Thara"
Ce solid e!
Am facut eu o cautare, ca-mi place masculul si se pare ca Uncas ii are in pedigree pe Neumann's Jim, Don vom Rolandsteich, Pele vom Kiebitzmoor, Held Ritterberg, Lord Gleisdreieck.
http://http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/386641.html
(http://http://wdcontent03.working-dog.eu/bcHhZVEMZw8II9bCdWSTLr4kmLQ2W7-9pAAZUcRl6AY,.jpg)
very nice muscular built and think bones..i wanna see some training videos of this dog.
Dani, the one you used to you Axa is almost same looks with this dog.
Ron
Post by: zimbris on August 08, 2010, 10:13:34 PM
Quote from: "shamankin6"
Dani, the one you used to you Axa is almost same looks with this dog. ;)
Post by: RogerW on August 08, 2010, 10:22:49 PM
Post by: zimbris on August 17, 2010, 04:03:18 AM
A few dogs of the 80's, dogs that placed well in the '85 DDR sieger
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/128976.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/123749.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/132163.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/118066.jpg)
Imi place mult asta, uitati ce "hal" de pigment avea!
I like this one a lot, check out the awesome pigment!
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/125830.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on August 17, 2010, 04:09:40 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/99097.jpg)
...si de la siegerul RGDist din '83 / also from the 83 DDR sieger show
James vd Ratstanne
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/112074.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on August 17, 2010, 04:29:18 AM
a dog that placed at the bottom of the V list in 86, a "thinner" dog but I still like him
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/131502.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on August 17, 2010, 04:36:01 AM
and from a more "recent" '89 siegershow, a few dogs...
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/157591.jpg)
ce capatzana avea asta...
some head on this one...
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/148390.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/148253.jpg)
din care V21 anul respectiv a fost nimeni altul decat Zorro Laager Wall notworthy
V21 that year was the one and only Zorro
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/137140.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on August 17, 2010, 04:47:29 AM
I am presuming this dog looked even better if standing in a more normal position.. I like the bone structure, awesome head
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/135437.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on August 17, 2010, 07:36:58 AM
Imi place mult asta, uitati ce "hal" de pigment avea!
I like this one a lot, check out the awesome pigment!
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/125830.jpg)[/quote]
And Zorro for his well known character...!
Post by: zimbris on August 17, 2010, 09:20:21 AM
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
Just love those classic shots, especially in b/w.. My favourite \out of this bunch is
(http://http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/125830.jpg)
And Zorro for his well known character...!
I can see why
Post by: zimbris on August 20, 2010, 05:17:42 AM
I like this bitch, she's a bit slim... but still I like her
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/18295.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on August 25, 2010, 05:40:42 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/18240.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on September 14, 2010, 08:03:48 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/45337.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on September 15, 2010, 12:03:53 PM
mi-ar fi placut sa vad si alte poze cu cainele asta
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/147220.jpg)
Post by: guest on September 15, 2010, 02:21:17 PM
Am mai gasit o poza, pe database.
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/194736.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on October 05, 2010, 12:50:25 PM
(http://mfst1.working-dog.eu/Alk-von-Osterburg-Quell-----uHdixoVPDodlN2l928EH_1in5gOl5qeWZuAgLUuImpg,.jpg)
(http://mfst2.working-dog.eu/Alk-von-Osterburg-Quell-----mlywW5G8GLer_fTaMqL5avRZ38o0MCxosgv6SzbJGm8,.jpg)
Post by: tessa on October 05, 2010, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: zimbris
Niste poze faine cu Alkare privire de caine inteligent, e fain pe bune
(http://mfst1.working-dog.eu/Alk-von-Osterburg-Quell-----uHdixoVPDodlN2l928EH_1in5gOl5qeWZuAgLUuImpg,.jpg)
(http://mfst2.working-dog.eu/Alk-von-Osterburg-Quell-----mlywW5G8GLer_fTaMqL5avRZ38o0MCxosgv6SzbJGm8,.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on October 05, 2010, 01:27:02 PM
Post by: zimbris on October 21, 2010, 12:42:02 PM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/120084.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 22, 2010, 07:24:27 AM
Post by: zimbris on October 22, 2010, 11:38:45 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 25, 2010, 06:42:55 AM
Iwo von der Buschecke litter sibling
Ingo von der Buschecke who produced Tornado Ingo of Nangana are some of the descendants of my dogs which i just realised.. Nothing in the first few generations but am sure have played some part in building tough hard characters..
Post by: zimbris on October 25, 2010, 06:46:20 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 25, 2010, 06:59:56 AM
But it could of been on another Forum, but it was interesting..
Post by: zimbris on October 25, 2010, 10:47:16 AM
Post by: shamankin6 on October 31, 2010, 08:38:00 PM
i was having some DDR homework assignment and able to see some pics of this great dog Uncas Poppitz.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/Uncas-vom-Poppitz-3.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/Uncas-vom-Poppitz-2.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/Uncas-vom-Poppitz-1.jpg)
Dani,
I find some very classic DDR photos in the internet. I will try to edit it first then share it here.
Ron
Post by: zimbris on October 31, 2010, 09:52:24 PM
looks a bit like the sire of our current pups..
Post by: shamankin6 on October 31, 2010, 10:11:08 PM
Quote from: zimbris
welcome back :D
here are some few pics i've got from DDR homework research. enjoy!
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/6.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/4.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/3.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/2.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/2.jpg)
the "Terminator"
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/26ehre01.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/Adria-5.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/A-018.jpg)
to be continued.
Ron
Post by: zimbris on October 31, 2010, 10:15:11 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 31, 2010, 10:19:45 PM
Thats an original photo of the Terminator, something freaky that should be in a movie or something.. Thanks for posting.. :cool:
Just noticed Grand Ritterberg and he looks pretty built, with nice expression..
Man i'm only looking at pictures and not reading, i see Held Ritterberg and Don v Rolandstiech, wish it was more clear and closer, but still good..
Don looks very big..!
Post by: zimbris on October 31, 2010, 10:22:46 PM
Post by: shamankin6 on October 31, 2010, 10:23:18 PM
Quote from: zimbris
great finds Ron! Grand Ritterberg looks awesome in that picture!!
a very stunning dog indeed Dani! :lol:
the first dog in the line is Bero v. Baruther Land
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/3.jpg)
while V Don vom Rolandsteich is also the dog in the first line at the bottom picture.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/6.jpg)
Ron
Post by: zimbris on October 31, 2010, 10:24:33 PM
Post by: shamankin6 on October 31, 2010, 10:28:05 PM
Quote from: zimbris
yes that's what I thought, nice one Ron!
:lol:
more..i need to confirmed the name of this dog first.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/Hanf-Senior-1.jpg)
Ron
Post by: zimbris on October 31, 2010, 10:30:51 PM
Post by: shamankin6 on October 31, 2010, 10:37:56 PM
Quote from: zimbris
goodness me.. these are great pictures!
yeah..let turn back the time Dani!
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/1.jpg)
Ron
Post by: zimbris on October 31, 2010, 10:40:23 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 31, 2010, 10:44:42 PM
They all look like classic working dogs..
Post by: zimbris on October 31, 2010, 10:46:50 PM
Post by: shamankin6 on October 31, 2010, 10:47:18 PM
Quote from: zimbris
oh man.... just look at those dogs in the picture... notworthy
yeah...more to come my friend!
Roland Teglerforst Sieger DDR 1949
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/Roland-Teglerforst-Sieger-DDR-1949.jpg)
Roland with his buddy(no name for the boy)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/3352509.jpg)
Ron
Post by: shamankin6 on October 31, 2010, 10:52:59 PM
prisoner caught
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/prisioner.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/Meldehund.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/brief2q.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/82118383.jpg)
DDR vs Tank!
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/shamankin6/DDR/afk2.jpg)
Ron
Post by: zimbris on October 31, 2010, 10:55:41 PM
Post by: shamankin6 on October 31, 2010, 11:01:54 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
i would definitely say those were the "golden" days of the breed, not the current times, unfortunately.. Not because I am fond to the old east dogs, but because i compare them to what I see nowadays and.. well, things don't look bright in present time, in my view.
i agree with your Dani.
Ron
Post by: zimbris on October 31, 2010, 11:03:55 PM
the ones with the handler and dog getting off the ship is gold!
Post by: shamankin6 on October 31, 2010, 11:22:05 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
you know what that last picture shows, right..? they placed dynamite on dogs and sent then straight to death, there are a few clips on youtube, not the most pleasing sights...
the ones with the handler and dog getting off the ship is gold!
yeah. but there was also time that they teaches the dog to left the dynamite under those tanks and return before they detonate it. but how sad for other dogs suffer death! i also saw the clips on the youtube.
Ron
Post by: zimbris on October 31, 2010, 11:26:13 PM
Post by: shamankin6 on October 31, 2010, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
yeah... I can Imagine they did not do that too often (killing the dog in the process) as that would mean loosing many dogs and they were actually needed. I am presuming there are papers documenting things like that..
i guess they only do it if its really or part of the last option. sacrificing those great dogs! i wonder if somebody would do that or make some documentary movie in Animal Planet or Discovery Channel.
Ron
Post by: zimbris on October 31, 2010, 11:34:31 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on November 03, 2010, 08:24:03 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
you know what that last picture shows, right..? they placed dynamite on dogs and sent then straight to death, there are a few clips on youtube, not the most pleasing sights...
the ones with the handler and dog getting off the ship is gold!
Have not seen these clips, personally do not wish to see it, but i guess thats part of War and the working GSD has sacrificed plenty for Man...!
Post by: zimbris on November 03, 2010, 09:04:36 AM
Post by: zimbris on November 07, 2010, 06:52:42 AM
Post by: zimbris on November 25, 2010, 01:55:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=599tMgsunIY
Post by: guest on November 25, 2010, 02:06:14 PM
Post by: zimbris on November 25, 2010, 02:07:29 PM
Post by: zimbris on December 17, 2010, 08:22:41 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/gitta4moold.jpg)
Post by: guest on December 17, 2010, 10:02:34 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on December 18, 2010, 08:07:17 AM
Quote from: zimbris
o poza primita de la John recent - Gitta vom Ostschutz la 4 luni - vai cat imi place!! aspect tipic de cg "vechi"!! uitati ce cap frumos <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8-)" title="Cool" />Thanks Dani for posting the photo
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/gitta4moold.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on December 18, 2010, 08:10:49 AM
Good to see you in the forum again!
Post by: kangdanlin on December 18, 2010, 09:42:08 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on December 18, 2010, 09:58:31 AM
Quote from: "kangdanlin"
how old is she john?
Gitta is between 4 -5 months old in the photo
Post by: zimbris on December 19, 2010, 04:31:33 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 23, 2010, 01:50:10 AM
a Puck Grafental pup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fepspciYQM
Post by: guest on December 26, 2010, 04:43:34 AM
(http://waldi.working-dog.eu/C%E4sar-vom-Rangental-----v1bMswkl_C4KhuYoS2dVzF4I1Q7krfSjCUGC6ECgdiY,.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on December 29, 2010, 12:46:18 AM
i like this one
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/21071.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on December 29, 2010, 01:16:51 AM
(titlul articolului) Razboiul Rece inca mai pluteste asupra disputelor intre liniile de CG
Berlin - Gerlinde Schultze "stralucea" in timp ce-si lua in brate un catel in varsta de cateva saptamani.
"Acesta este Xaver, un catel de Ciobanesc German pur Estic", spuse ea cu mandrie sarutand catelul pe trufa umeda. "Nu poti gasi o linie sanguina mai buna nicaieri, cu atat mai putin in germania Vestica".
Desi tara sarbatoreste azi 17 ani de la unificare, unele animozitati mai raman intre fosta Germanie de vest Capitalista si cea de Est, Comunista si putini sunt cei care se confrunta cu incapatanare asupra subiectului "care caini sunt mai buni".
Insa un lucru necontestat ramane faptul ca in cele 4 decade de separare a celor doua, cainii au capatat aspecte diferite. Cainii Estici sunt mai degraba sur inchis sau negri, iar cei vestici au mai mult cunoscutul aspect galben si negru.
De asemenea, cainii vestici au un spate mai inclinat, iar cei estici au pastrat un spate mai drept - despre care sustinatorii cainilor respectivi afirma ca, reduce sansele de probleme de sold, care pot distruge rasa.
Schultze, in varsta de 46 ani, a crescut caini undeva la marginea Berlinului, timp de mai bine de 20 de ani si este convinsa ca liniile estice sunt mai bune decat cele vestice.
"Cainii nostri sunt mai sanatosi si au o personalitate mai buna" spune ea. "Acei caini supra - reprodusi vestici nse rezuma doar la aspect.
Heike Grupe, un promotor al cainilor vestici si purtatot de cuvant al Clubului De Ciobanesc German nu este deloc de acord.
"Nu este absolut deloc adevarat ca liniile estice sunt mai bune decat cele vestice" spune ea. "la urma urmei estul a fost cel care a interzis parasirea tarii, pe cand in Vest am avut deschidere catre piata, respectiv sa aducem sange proaspat care e necesar pt crestere eficienta".
Initial promovat de Max v Stepanitz in 1895, CG-ul este cel mai popular caine in tara (Germania) cu peste 2200 cluburi locale raspandite in tara, conform spuselor Clubului National.
Dezbaterile cu privire la diferentele dintre cele doua linii sunt alimentate de statutul aproape mitic al CG-ului, in Germania. Din aceasta cauza, dezbaterile de multe ori par a fi mai degraba intre valorile celor doua Germanii, decat rivalitate intre crescatori.
oricare ar fi adevarul, se pare ca Ciobanescul german estic revine in atentie, cu un numar in crestere atat in tara cat si in lume.
Cainele crescut in vest
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/Wessi3.jpg)
cainele de lucru crescut in vest
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/Wessi1.jpg)
cainele crescut in est
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/Ossi.jpg)
Dux v. Haus Käding la lucru
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Vergleichskampf1.jpg)
Post by: kangdanlin on December 29, 2010, 04:11:26 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 29, 2010, 08:40:18 AM
:devil: incepe lumea sa se trezeasca ;)daca ne uitam in spatele cainilor pe care noi ii consideram buni (si cand zic asta nu ma refer in sensul sportiv ci mai degraba real) dam de Held Ritterberg, Ingo Rudingen, Lord Gleisdreieck etc.. caini estici! ...ma gandeam, chiar purtatoarea de cuvant a clubului german la vremea respectiva a mentionat piata in privinta lucrului facut de vestici, pe cand la estici "nevoia" dicta traseul in reproducere, nu piata!
Post by: dux on December 29, 2010, 01:57:10 PM
eu sunt convins ca vom gasi multi adepti care ne vor impartasi ideile.RABDARE SI TUTUN.
Post by: guest on December 29, 2010, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: dux
ma bucur ca linia estica incepe iarasi sa renasca.si noi trebuie sa luptam aici in tara pentru acest lucru.sa informam,sa scoatem pui.in primul rand trebuie sa revitalizam conceptul cainelui dur.Werner Dalm(coordonatorul selectiei in fosta DDR)spunea ca duritatea trebuie considerata calitate utilitara.in vest acest concept efectiv a fost eliminat.si iata unde s-a ajuns .linia de show care are mari probleme atat de sanatate cat si de ,,instincte''.
eu sunt convins ca vom gasi multi adepti care ne vor impartasi ideile.RABDARE SI TUTUN. :grin:
Off topic: Cum se simt proaspata mamica si noua membra a familiei ? :)
Post by: dux on December 29, 2010, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: Thara
Quote from: duxma bucur ca linia estica incepe iarasi sa renasca.si noi trebuie sa luptam aici in tara pentru acest lucru.sa informam,sa scoatem pui.in primul rand trebuie sa revitalizam conceptul cainelui dur.Werner Dalm(coordonatorul selectiei in fosta DDR)spunea ca duritatea trebuie considerata calitate utilitara.in vest acest concept efectiv a fost eliminat.si iata unde s-a ajuns .linia de show care are mari probleme atat de sanatate cat si de ,,instincte''.
eu sunt convins ca vom gasi multi adepti care ne vor impartasi ideile.RABDARE SI TUTUN. 1ok
Off topic: Cum se simt proaspata mamica si noua membra a familiei ? :)
Post by: zimbris on December 30, 2010, 01:49:39 AM
Quote from: "Thara"
Off topic: Cum se simt proaspata mamica si noua membra a familiei ? :(
http://http://www.canisa-zimbris.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=96&p=8181#p8181
Post by: kangdanlin on December 30, 2010, 05:30:19 AM
love to see how they were back in the old days:)
Post by: bobo70 on December 30, 2010, 09:32:36 AM
Au aparut pe forumuri pui din linii de lucru 100% DDR la canisa lui Viorel Scanteie de la Sibiu. Eu stiam ca in Romania nu exista linii 100% DDR-iste.
Voi ce stiti despre asta?
Post by: zimbris on December 30, 2010, 09:36:59 AM
De notat este ca si in cainii DDR-ist buni (la vremea lor) exista sange vestic.. de fapt, rasa evident a plecat dintr-un punct comun. De ex, dintr-un caine vestic au fost scosi caini Estici - inregistrati sub cartea de origine DDR. Sper ca stiu sa comunic bine... si ca ma fac inteles..
Post by: bobo70 on December 30, 2010, 09:40:26 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
...... Sper ca stiu sa comunic bine... si ca ma fac inteles..Da, da, inteleg ce spui,... dar situatia asta exacta cum este in realitate? Stii ceva de cainii astia?
Post by: zimbris on December 30, 2010, 09:42:33 AM
Post by: bobo70 on December 30, 2010, 09:44:43 AM
Mai exact, la cainii din monta asta la acre se fac prenotari de ceva vreme.
Post by: zimbris on December 30, 2010, 09:47:07 AM
iti pot spune asta - am cautat o perioada bunicica si am gasit ceva ceva in tzara, dar si acolo era vorba de amestec, nu de sange pur estic.
Post by: Man Stopper on December 31, 2010, 09:39:47 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 31, 2010, 09:40:38 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on December 31, 2010, 09:56:40 AM
More than any other lines IMO from what i have noticed..
Linia si produsii lui Condor au avut dimensiuni bune si aspect puternic, cu marcaje unice..
Mai mult decat oricare alte linii, in opinia mea, din ce am observat..
Post by: zimbris on December 31, 2010, 10:03:50 AM
Nu cunosc liniile chiar atat de bine...
Post by: shamankin6 on January 02, 2011, 04:01:48 AM
Just wanna ask if you have some info about this monster dog...
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/566003.html (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/566003.html)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/566003.jpg)
Happy New Year 2011 to All!
Ron
Post by: zimbris on January 02, 2011, 04:44:24 AM
Post by: Bogdan on January 02, 2011, 10:15:32 AM
Quote from: "shamankin6"
John & Dani,All that i know is that he is death from a long time ago!
Just wanna ask if you have some info about this monster dog...
http://http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/566003.html
(http://http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/566003.jpg)
Happy New Year 2011 to All!
Ron
Post by: shamankin6 on January 02, 2011, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
as far as looks go, this dog is my favourite one! I couldn't sleep for 3 nights after seeing this photo!
i won't be suprised with your reaction Dani. since this dog is awesome good looking! i really like his head..bones and over-all appearance! very intimidating dog.
Ron
Post by: shamankin6 on January 02, 2011, 04:51:43 PM
Quote from: "Bogdan"
Quote from: "shamankin6"John & Dani,All that i know is that he is death from a long time ago! :D
Just wanna ask if you have some info about this monster dog...
http://http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/566003.html
(http://http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/566003.jpg)
Happy New Year 2011 to All!
Ron
Ron
Post by: zimbris on January 02, 2011, 11:24:44 PM
Post by: zimbris on January 03, 2011, 01:13:17 AM
Quote from: "bobo70"
Voiam sa intreb aici, mai ales ca voi cunoasteti mai bine liniile de sange din Romania....am mai tras un search si am gasit in tzara o femela care are intr-adevar sange DDR si daca imi aduc aminte de fapt am si vazut un cuib scos de ea... fusese anuntat pe forumul lui Razvan
Au aparut pe forumuri pui din linii de lucru 100% DDR la canisa lui Viorel Scanteie de la Sibiu. Eu stiam ca in Romania nu exista linii 100% DDR-iste.
Voi ce stiti despre asta?
Post by: kangdanlin on January 03, 2011, 03:52:11 AM
Post by: zimbris on January 03, 2011, 03:55:53 AM
Post by: zimbris on January 03, 2011, 04:25:28 AM
Quote from: Thara
Frumos exemplar, acest Uncas!inca o poza cu Uncas
(http://www.vomdomburgerland.nl/pics_nieuw/wk50_h.jpg)
Post by: guest on January 13, 2011, 10:26:37 AM
Post by: guest on January 13, 2011, 11:36:39 AM
Post by: zimbris on January 16, 2011, 06:00:04 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Fels-v-Kemmlerblick-medium_s.jpg)
Post by: guest on January 16, 2011, 06:03:24 AM
Post by: kangdanlin on January 16, 2011, 08:09:06 PM
am mai gasit o poza cu Fels vom KImmlerblickfoarte frumos
Post by: tessa on January 17, 2011, 01:13:34 AM
Post by: RogerW on January 17, 2011, 11:50:19 AM
Post by: zimbris on January 20, 2011, 01:06:43 AM
would this be Tino's litter mare..?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xiy-MBzCog
Post by: Man Stopper on January 20, 2011, 05:49:00 AM
Seems to be tino litter sibling.
Tino produces some dogs with huge strong heads..!
Post by: zimbris on January 20, 2011, 12:10:00 PM
pai.. da, dar Tino apartine altei generatii iar clipul pare sa fie recent iar cainele tanar
Post by: zimbris on January 26, 2011, 02:07:44 PM
is this a good looking dog or what
Charly aus Joachims-Tal
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/132163-1.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/21045.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on January 26, 2011, 02:12:09 PM
..and one of his daughters (named Tara)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/392587.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on January 27, 2011, 09:49:31 AM
Her Sire Charly is up there in head/body size with deep chest..
Post by: zimbris on January 28, 2011, 02:08:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzDrwCYdPuA
Post by: zimbris on January 28, 2011, 03:15:52 PM
cateaua asta e 4/5 pe Don. Ce mult imi doresc ca se renunta la antrenamentele de protectie, tip sport...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmZD9P6yTtA
Post by: kangdanlin on January 28, 2011, 03:46:40 PM
a Zorro son, but don't know his namethe woman just said: the one year old male Ike von house zif/sif :devil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzDrwCYdPuA
Post by: kangdanlin on January 28, 2011, 03:48:01 PM
Post by: zimbris on January 28, 2011, 05:02:42 PM
Post by: kangdanlin on January 28, 2011, 05:04:21 PM
da, am unul f fain, toate la timpul lor ;)de picatura chinezeasca ai auzit? :rolleyes:
Post by: zimbris on January 28, 2011, 05:08:22 PM
Post by: guest on January 29, 2011, 12:34:45 AM
de picatura chinezeasca ai auzit? :rolleyes::laugh:
Dani! Nu-l nenoroci pe Kangdanlin, ca mai avem nevoie de el! :lol: :grin:
Post by: kangdanlin on January 29, 2011, 01:12:37 AM
:laugh::beer:
Dani! Nu-l nenoroci pe Kangdanlin, ca mai avem nevoie de el! :lol: :grin:
Post by: zimbris on January 29, 2011, 01:40:34 AM
:laugh:ok mai Thara.. daca zici tu... :rolleyes:
Dani! Nu-l nenoroci pe Kangdanlin, ca mai avem nevoie de el! :lol: :grin:
Post by: guest on January 29, 2011, 01:49:54 AM
Acum vreun an jumate-doi, ma aflam in compania unor persoane...simpatice. Discutand si discutand, a venit la un moment dat vorba de picatura chinezeasca. Nu mai stiu exact in ce context era pomenita, dar ce-mi amintesc este ca am ras cu lacrimi, cand cineva din acel grup de persoane a intrebat, pe un ton foarte serios, daca picatura chinezeasca e mai buna decat cea romaneasca (referindu-se la lipici)!? :laugh:
Post by: zimbris on January 29, 2011, 02:10:09 AM
eh, acum lasa, daca deraiem putin de la subiect nu moare mortu'...
@kangdanlin - legat de picatura chinezeasca - in cateva zile inchidem robinetul ;)
Post by: kangdanlin on January 29, 2011, 02:54:33 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on January 29, 2011, 11:55:33 PM
I think this dog would be closer to 2 years of age rather than 12 months, he has very strong body and head muzzle for to be 12 months i feel..
Post by: zimbris on January 29, 2011, 11:58:54 PM
intr-adevar arata a fi un caine super. Imi plac descendentii din Zorro, in mod deosebit Nando
Post by: Man Stopper on January 30, 2011, 12:09:18 AM
Or is it Held v Ritterberg ? Have read that Zorro was 1 serious :devil: and it seems that his offspring follow his steps. Nando is one of the better ones i gather..
I prefer Held v Ritterberg for looks and am sure was up there with courage / hardness.. ;)
Se pare ca ai ceva info despre Zorro si ca pt tine e cel mai cel..
Sau sa fie vorba de Held Ritterberg? Am citit ca Zorro era un caine f serios si se pare ca si descendentii ii mostenesc aceleasi calitati. Am impresia ca Nando a fost unul din cei mai buni..
Il prefer pe Held pt aspect si sunt sigur ca si el era acolo in categoria caini curajosi / duri.. ;)
Post by: zimbris on January 30, 2011, 02:22:22 AM
Well they say Zorro was indeed a really serious dog, some even said he was "crazy" (but we can all interpret that in different ways I guess)
In my view, the perfect combo would have Zorro (or his paternal line), Held and Don - these last two would add that extra touch for the looks I guess, both of them being really good looking. If the Kiebitzmoor blood is in the mix - even better!!!
Thanks to John I was able to get better informed on Zorro.
Da, Held era mai aratos si imi doresc atat de mult sa fi vazut un clip video cu el, oricat de scurt ar fi el.. cu totii am vazut acel clip cu Zorro..
Pai, se spune ca Zorro era intr-adevar un caine f serios, unii chiar au afirmat ca era "nebun" (dar asta poate fi interpretat in feluri diferite)
In opinia mea, combinatia perfecta ar fi Zorro (sau oricare din cainii din linia paterna), Held si Don - cei din urma adaugand mult la capitolul aspect. Daca mai apare si sangele Kiebitzmoor in mix, cu atat mai bine!
Multumita lui John m-am putut informa mai bine cu privire la Zorro
Post by: zimbris on January 30, 2011, 02:29:44 AM
Post by: zimbris on January 30, 2011, 02:44:41 AM
"Lord v Gleisdreieck, Zorro v Lager Wall, Nando vd Gnitzer Hohen, Keno, Leon, Horror v Königswaldereck are just a few of the well known hard confident DDR males. As with all breedings it is not always dependent on the male but the combination of the breeding."
(please note Nando is Zorro son)
Post by: zimbris on January 30, 2011, 11:46:25 AM
here's some more comments I gathered from other forums, on Zorro
Zorro was another great dog that produced super hips. He was a deadly serious dog that was a real dog in every aspect> i imported Chips dog Nero for him and I think he was the best Zorro son I ever saw. I had a lot of others that were average at best
I owned a Zorro son.. Bob von der Neptunegrotte.. Sch 3 IPO 3 PSH 3 FH... this was the best dog I ever owned.. serious as a heart attack..yet so clear headed.. he was totally non dog aggressive.. great with kids.. aloof with adults.. but not aggressive..but when push came to shove.. he was right there... very serious. He had many litters and unfortunetly never produced himself.. or I never bred him to the right female! I have some frozen semen that I am saving to try again someday!
Zorro a fost alt caine f bun care a produs solduri super. Era un caine foarte serios, real in toate aspectele. Am importat un caine care cred ca a fost unul din cei mai buni fii ai lui Zorro, pe care l-am vazut. Am mai avut multi caini care erau medii.
Am avut un fiu de Zorro, Bob von der Neptunegrotte, Sch 3 IPO 3 PSH 3 FH, A fost cel mai bun caine pe care l-am avut vreodata... la fel de serios precum infarctul.. si totusi cu o minte atat de limpede.. nu era agresiv fatza de alti caini, extraordinar cu copiii, distant fatza de straini, dar nu agresiv .. dar cand se ingrosa gluma.. era pe metereze.. foarte serios. A produs multe cuiburi dar din pacate nu s-a reprodus.. sau poate nu l-am montat eu cu femelele potrivite! Am pastrat material seminal pe care sper sa il pot refolosi in viitor.
Post by: zimbris on January 30, 2011, 12:50:14 PM
I owned Bob vd Neptungrotte from age 6 till he died at age 12.. He was a fantastic dog.. Jody
Post by: Man Stopper on January 30, 2011, 06:53:39 PM
Dani i read that Zorro was a very dominant individual, and good to hear you have found some more info on Zorro.
John has some knowledge on Zorro i believe..
Post by: Man Stopper on January 30, 2011, 07:37:20 PM
Post by: zimbris on January 31, 2011, 02:14:37 PM
SG Sima vom Schaferliesel is an excellent example of DDR appearance.. :rockon:most definitely!
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/125092.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on February 01, 2011, 12:08:08 AM
It sort of looks like the guy and dogs croup are in the distance, giving the illusion of extra massive DDR head...
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2011, 04:58:06 AM
Manyes, that's why...
It sort of looks like the guy and dogs croup are in the distance, giving the illusion of extra massive DDR head...
Quote from: Man Stopper
the dogs head looks like a lion compared to the guy..
Post by: guest on February 01, 2011, 06:22:58 AM
SG Sima vom Schaferliesel:shocked: :bighug:
Post by: Santos on February 01, 2011, 07:17:30 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 01, 2011, 09:08:57 AM
I Imported i very good Grandson of Nando vd Gnitzer Hohen his bloodline is 90% of the East german bloodline 11 and that would be 11 A-E. This is the heart of the working east german gene pool that would not be found today but in a very low %
Nando vd Gnitzer Hohen.......iti place cainele respectiv Dani?
Am importat un nepot foarte bun din Nando, cu sange 90% al cainilor din lina 11 A-E. asta este nucleul bazei genetice a cainilor de lucru estici care in ziua de azi o mai gasesti in procent f mic.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/BigD.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2011, 09:13:13 AM
in legatura cu cainii DDR Eu cred ca ar trebui sa privim la cainii actuali foarte buni ca acestia ne intereseaza ceilalti au avut vremea lor care sa duspai ce mai astepti? :lol: posteaza cativa... ;)
hai sa dau eu tonul:
Gomez vd Grauen von Monstab
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/454956.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=815K9WJx44o
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2011, 09:14:37 AM
Nando vd Gnitzer Hohen........Hmmm you like him Dani??now.. why am I not surprised you got something like that in your backyard..? ;)
I Imported i very good Grandson of Nando vd Gnitzer Hohen his bloodline is 90%
of the East german bloodline 11 and that would be 11 A-E. This is the heart of the
working east german gene pool that would not be found today but in a very low %
pai.. de ce nu ma mira faptul ca ai asa ceva in curte..?
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 01, 2011, 09:26:34 AM
now.. why am I not surprised you got something like that in your backyard..? ;)
pai.. de ce nu ma mira faptul ca ai asa ceva in curte..?
Dani he is a very good male Powerfull -Super Bone - Big Head.This is a photo of him at 16 months old
Dani, este un mascul forte bun, puternic - oase f puternice - cap puternic / mare. In poza asta avea doar 16 luni
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/D51.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2011, 10:05:48 AM
John ma "omori".. imi doresc sa fi fost vecinul meu.. pacat ca nu esti in forma mai buna, sa poti lucra cainii...
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2011, 10:41:34 AM
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/7207871/Gomez_von_den_Grauen_von_Monstab_Schutzdienst
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2011, 11:10:58 AM
Dago Weltwitz
http://portal.hunde-wolf.de/videos/dago-von-weltwitz1.html
http://www.vom-annaburger-jagdschloss.de/Dago_UO.wmv
http://www.vom-annaburger-jagdschloss.de/Dago.wmv
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2011, 02:39:58 PM
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/7967134/Hans_von_Weltwitz
Post by: Man Stopper on February 02, 2011, 09:39:49 PM
Sindy vom Schaferliesel produces strong looking working dogs, and produced monster type dogs with Sven vom Grafental.
Boban von Grauen Monstab was an excellent type,would of liked to see him on video.
Post by: Man Stopper on February 02, 2011, 09:42:07 PM
Dani he is a very good male Powerfull -Super Bone - Big Head.This is a photo of him at 16 months old
Dani, este un mascul forte bun, puternic - oase f puternice - cap puternic / mare. In poza asta avea doar 16 luni
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/D51.jpg)
Powerfull dog indeed with good looks..!
Post by: zimbris on February 03, 2011, 07:28:24 AM
Imi plac si culorile lui - seamana in privinta asta cu Nando, am putea spune..
Post by: zimbris on February 03, 2011, 01:16:14 PM
Boban von Grauen Monstab was an excellent type,would of liked to see him on video.I guess i can make your day ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGH1j0YySR0
Post by: Man Stopper on February 03, 2011, 05:41:05 PM
Boban is one powerful looking dog and hits pretty hard in the long attack..!
Post by: zimbris on February 04, 2011, 04:28:54 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 04, 2011, 05:30:14 AM
I came across another one
Bill vom Kranich´s Hof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDswLv8IeGM
si o poza mai clar cu Eddy vom Felsenschloß
and a more clear image of Eddy vom Felsenschloß
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/hund.jpg)
Don v Weltwitz
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/7979324/Don_Weltwitz_1
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/7979351/Don_Weltwitz_2
Post by: zimbris on February 04, 2011, 06:05:37 AM
I may have posted this one already, well here goes again
Lord vom Gleisdreick
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2776713/Lord_vom_Gleisdreick
Post by: RogerW on February 04, 2011, 06:29:18 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 04, 2011, 07:08:49 AM
Thanks, he is a great dog.I will get out soon and try to update some of the photos.
It was not an easy task to find these bloodlines that were once so common in the
70's -80's and into the 90's.For the people who really know the great ddr lines they
understand how truly rare it is to find these today.
Post by: kangdanlin on February 04, 2011, 08:02:53 AM
cred ca l-am mai postat pe asta.. dar daca tot m-am pus pe cautat pe myvideo, il mai postez o data ;):love: cainele atomic :yes:
I may have posted this one already, well here goes again
Lord vom Gleisdreick
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2776713/Lord_vom_Gleisdreick
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 04, 2011, 08:10:14 AM
Have not spoken in a while with you. I do not know if you know this. So i will give some information to the board who have a interest in the ddr blood and breedings.Sindy vom Schaferliesel produces strong looking working dogs, and produced monster type dogs with Sven vom Grafental.
True they did produce some strong type dogs. But
Did you know the SV placed a breed ban on any breedings of Sindy/Sven.
I am not sure but it may have been after the I throw. This should be known when line breeding.
Post by: zimbris on February 04, 2011, 10:45:48 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 04, 2011, 10:51:00 AM
bad hips I presume... (?)elbows -missing teeth-long hair. nerve issues may so up
Dani you know some people mistake bad nerve for aggression.
Post by: zimbris on February 04, 2011, 11:01:32 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 04, 2011, 12:46:39 PM
CsHPK:2490-81/87
vyborny
SP-PS, ZM, ZVV1
4DXQ6
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/TreuvomSchaferstolz.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 04, 2011, 01:15:33 PM
Post by: kangdanlin on February 04, 2011, 01:17:55 PM
Post by: zimbris on February 04, 2011, 01:18:09 PM
(http://www.ehretgsd.com/bero2.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 04, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Can you bring Treu back to life? Santos doesn't like dead dogs :lol: hit1Well Dani that is a great photo of Bero. For people who breed these dogs
you need to look back at the old dogs. We learn from what happened in the
past.
Post by: zimbris on February 04, 2011, 04:16:39 PM
pai da! mai ales ca in cainii moderni nu prea mai gasesti ce gaseai candva in cainii "vechi"!! este intotdeauna bine sa stii de unde vii, ca sa stii unde mergi, iar cateodata trebuie sa te intorci inapoi, din cate vedem in zilele noastre..
Post by: RogerW on February 04, 2011, 06:34:08 PM
Email me privately if need be.
Post by: Man Stopper on February 04, 2011, 06:56:00 PM
But this pic of Treu has really got that Nostalgic look about him..
Treu v. Schaferstolz
CsHPK:2490-81/87
vyborny
SP-PS, ZM, ZVV1
4DXQ6
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/TreuvomSchaferstolz.jpg)
Dani that photo of Bero really is DDR Size and Bone.
Have some pics of Casso which resemble Bero.
Bero is on Casso Maternal Side 6 generations back. .
I know its a bit way back, but the size was there on young Casso..
Bero Friedersdorfer Flur as a pup
(http://www.ehretgsd.com/bero2.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 04, 2011, 07:01:17 PM
And If i remember Treu had C hips
Post by: Man Stopper on February 04, 2011, 07:19:56 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 04, 2011, 07:26:14 PM
The way i see it is that Treu must of been above average, to be used in the Czech Border Patrol, along with Bojar...!Did you know they (cz border) used Bojar in the wolf breeding program.
People think the CZ B P did right with all their breeding but they did not. My opinion
is they became known only after they brought in the east german dogs. They did close line breedings at times and that was their hard dogs. Now the Czech dogs are no more then west german. Why no more wall
Post by: Man Stopper on February 04, 2011, 08:54:09 PM
Treu and Bojar daughter(Pana z PS CS) produced Ciro z Pohranicni straze who has many titles..
Chuligan and Pluto have this on there paternal side, which these days is common bloodline in Czech/ Europe..
I always enjoyed visiting Jiri Novotny site viewing video's and study of these lines, when i first had an interest in DDR/CZECH dogs..!
Post by: Man Stopper on February 04, 2011, 09:01:13 PM
well he's huge, that's for sure! I spoke with one of his ex owners, sounds like he could be overly aggressive (not that i would personally have a problem with that :lol: )
Yeah i remember reading on Boban who wasn't very good with the judges, bit too sharp i say.
He was popular on the Forum few years back and i personally got more hooked on DDR K9 history, when i first seen Boban as pup, up to the time, he was shipped out..
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2011, 01:16:19 AM
Dani that photo of Bero really is DDR Size and Bone.
Have some pics of Casso which resemble Bero.
Bero is on Casso Maternal Side 6 generations back. .
I know its a bit way back, but the size was there on young Casso..
..these pictures..?
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/Onyx/vlcsnap-2011-02-04-13h09m26s26.png)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/Onyx/vlcsnap-2011-02-04-15h10m20s3.png)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/Onyx/vlcsnap-2011-02-04-15h17m21s70.png)
Post by: Man Stopper on February 05, 2011, 01:59:17 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 05, 2011, 07:40:39 AM
I spoke to the women who owned Yago he was bred one time i do not think it was a full east breeding. Look at the type and usually dogs with this look have Don Rolandsteich in them Yago does not.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/382014.jpg)
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/382014.html
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 05, 2011, 08:08:06 AM
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/123406.html
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/ingome_sm.gif)
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/ingoaaron_sm.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2011, 08:11:37 AM
Se pare ca Don a produs cap puternic aproape intotdeauna. Citeam undeva ca Don a fost folosit mult in DDR pt a se obtine pigment mai bun si cap mai puternic, ceea ce se cauta la vremurile respective.
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2011, 08:13:27 AM
Now the Czech dogs are no more then west german. Why no more wallDux and I were just scanning different European breeding stations and yes they are bringing in A LOT of west blood. I am presuming that is because high drive sells...
Post by: RogerW on February 05, 2011, 08:42:38 AM
Dux and I were just scanning different European breeding stations and yes they are bringing in A LOT of west blood. I am presuming that is because high drive sells...
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2011, 09:00:58 AM
Well you can't blame people for wanting one after all the rash of tennis ball attacks have been going on. :grin:okay.. you lost me now.. :grin:
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 05, 2011, 09:20:26 AM
Welcome old DDR line lovers! We got our first DDR dog back in 1988, before the Berlin Wall came down. At that time, all you could get was a "Breeding Enrolled" certificate from the AKC. The DDR dogs had to be registered in West Germany first. Ingo was one of Don Rolandsteich's first sons to come to the States. He was brought in by Mike Pinksten of Olympia Kennels. He was hugely recieved and leased by several breeders who used him in New England, before we bought him. He was a dependable, consistent sire of temperament, super hips, pigment and good, all around working abilty, as evidenced by his police and SAR offspring. We are now 3 generations into him. Mike brought over some really nice DDR dogs, including his own Held Ritterberg son, V-Nathan v Blauen-Engl, Schh3, who plays an important part in our DDR lines.. Flex was also one of his imports that we bought, a Golf Ritterberg grandson.. Flex went to a Louisiana Police Dept. Here then is a few of our Ingo kids, grandkids and great-grandkids, plus our other DDR lines from Lord Gleisdreick, Held Ritterberg, & Robby Glockeneck.
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2011, 09:56:05 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 05, 2011, 10:07:42 AM
that looks like a positive description of a Don son! good stuff...Dani there is a link to their website they had or had access to some very good dogs.But they mixed the blood.Now they have nothing,I would be if you asked them the answer would be i wish i would have saved some of those lines
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2011, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: RogerW on February 05, 2011, 10:35:51 AM
okay.. you lost me now.. :grin:
Post by: RogerW on February 05, 2011, 10:40:36 AM
http://segensreich.homestead.com/ddrdogs.html
Welcome old DDR line lovers! We got our first DDR dog back in 1988, before the Berlin Wall came down. At that time, all you could get was a "Breeding Enrolled" certificate from the AKC. The DDR dogs had to be registered in West Germany first. Ingo was one of Don Rolandsteich's first sons to come to the States. He was brought in by Mike Pinksten of Olympia Kennels. He was hugely recieved and leased by several breeders who used him in New England, before we bought him. He was a dependable, consistent sire of temperament, super hips, pigment and good, all around working abilty, as evidenced by his police and SAR offspring. We are now 3 generations into him. Mike brought over some really nice DDR dogs, including his own Held Ritterberg son, V-Nathan v Blauen-Engl, Schh3, who plays an important part in our DDR lines.. Flex was also one of his imports that we bought, a Golf Ritterberg grandson.. Flex went to a Louisiana Police Dept. Here then is a few of our Ingo kids, grandkids and great-grandkids, plus our other DDR lines from Lord Gleisdreick, Held Ritterberg, & Robby Glockeneck.
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2011, 11:19:08 AM
Oh, I was just referring to breeding dogs for "crazy ball drive".oh.. thanks for that. Yes, they in for it all the way..
About 2 years (or even 3) ago when Dux made this comment for the first time, that the sport is killing the breed, some called him an "extremist" ..
aha.. multumesc. da, sunt total "dedicati" drivului..
Cand in urma cu aproape 2 ani (sau chiar 3) Dux a facut afirmatia ca sportul ucide rasa, multi l-au numit "extremist"..
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2011, 12:29:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAkvuFJ1v30
Post by: zimbris on February 15, 2011, 09:13:36 AM
(http://vombanachk9.homestead.com/Aron_op_405x600.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 15, 2011, 09:17:06 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 15, 2011, 11:42:46 AM
Fiu de Neumann's Jim
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/johnsk9/BrixKids.jpg)
Post by: Santos on February 15, 2011, 11:53:52 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 15, 2011, 12:06:27 PM
Post by: bobo70 on February 16, 2011, 12:36:13 AM
Sa ne mai spuna carcotasii ca linia de lucru este periculoasa pentru familiile cu copii :laugh: :laugh:
Post by: zimbris on February 16, 2011, 12:54:36 AM
sau, gasisem pe situl oficial de CG, la sectia CG de lucru, ceva de genul "atentie, acesti caini nu sunt pt oricine".. mai trebuia sa se spuna si ca pt un CG de lucru e nevoie de permis port-arma..
Post by: guest on February 16, 2011, 02:47:47 AM
afirmatiile alea erau asa.. in febra momentului..:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
sau, gasisem pe situl oficial de CG, la sectia CG de lucru, ceva de genul "atentie, acesti caini nu sunt pt oricine".. mai trebuia sa se spuna si ca pt un CG de lucru e nevoie de permis port-arma..
Imi amintesc faza, am ras bine cand am citit!
Post by: zimbris on February 16, 2011, 07:20:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkOJ8A7B4rw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wprik2ycIwU
Post by: zimbris on February 17, 2011, 12:24:20 AM
Ca sa respect cerintele proprietarului forumului (Leerburg), voi posta un link direct catre acest dialog.
This is a dialog between a Swedish man and an American man, about the DDR dogs
To respect some copyright aspects, I will post a link to this dialog, here.
http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/54541/page/4/fpart/2
Suedezul:
batrana de aici din Suedia cu care am stat de vorba, a scris o biografie despre viata ei cu CG-i si descrie cu precadere situatia din germania estica de la sfarsitul razboiului pana in anii 70. Dupa spusele ei, statul avea mare interes in caini, cumpara multi caini la care civilii nu aveau acces. iar civilii cu caini buni primeau ajutor din partea statului, hrana etc, pt ca faceau o treaba buna aprovizionand statul cu caini de serviciu.
Dar cu trecerea timpului s-a marit influenta expozitiilor de frumusete si arbitrilor de frumusete. cred ca este o idee interesanta ca statul sa aiba propriul program de crestere, atunci doar sanatatea si abilitatile de lucru ar conta, nu interesele si expozitiile. Cred ca Politia in germania vestica a realizat intr-un final ca nu poate avea incredere in SV in privinta cainilor de serviciu si ca era mai bine sa aiba un program de crestere caresa corespunda cu nevoile lor si am auzit ca au plasat cu succes caini pe strada (serviciu). Si politia Ceha a avut propriul program de crestere. Si in Suedia aveam un program special in anii 70 - 80, s-a inceput cu liniile lui bern leerburg si caini DDR buni. Nu ar fi o idee rea daca statul ar sustine cresatorii de caini de lucru, in loc ca promovarea sa se faca cu caini care nu sunt in stare sa treaca testarile de caine de serviciu, pt ca acestia proveneau de la bun inceput din caini cu nervi slabi.
Americanul:
Am adus multi, multi caini din RDG inainte de caderea Zidului. Am adus CG si Schnautzeri pe care i-am vandut canisei Deeleware, pt inceperea propriului program de crestere. Cainii RDG-isti erau foarte masculuini, aveau pigment f bun si marea majoritate, solduri bune. problema cu acesti caini era dresajul lor. tineti minte ca acesti oameni erau foarte saraci. Majoritatea isi lucrau cainii la ferma la ei timp de un an sau 2 si faceau in mod deosebit lucru de protectie si doar putina disciplina. urma era facuta mai fortat, iar cand reuseau sa parcurga traseul (urma) lucrau disciplina doar putin, inainte de un concurs. trebuia sa vedeti unii din acesti caini, erau cat se poate de buni in protectie, dar cand se ajungea la disciplina, se incolaceau ca niste serpi. belgia a folosit mult caini RDG in anii 90, unii spun ca pt dimensiuni, altii pt instinct de aparare. Unii chiar au spus ca s-a folosit cainele DDR pt a se corecta imaginea de tip "Malinois" a cainilor, pt ca ei includeau si malinois in cresterea CG-ului din cand in cand, dar cine stie.. Unii din cainii RDG aveau un aspect care nu cred ca poate fi egalat vreodata. Aveau cap f puternic cu muscatura atat de puternica incat puteau sparge mansonul, literalmente. In RDG cateodata mansonul insemna cauciuc de masina taiat si modificat si acoperit cu material deasupra. Multi dintre acesti caini au fost trimisi in Africa de Sud inainte de caderea Zidlui si imediat dupa.
trebuie sa existe un bazin genetic f bun acolo, daca acesti caini au fost folositi in crestere. Din ce am vazut eu, nu cainii RDG erau slabi, asa cum de multe ori s-a spus, ci dresajul acestora. dumnezeu stie cat imi doresc sa fi pastrat cativa astfel de caini.
Post by: zimbris on February 17, 2011, 03:17:02 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/137140-1.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on February 17, 2011, 03:42:24 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 17, 2011, 04:28:17 AM
Interesanta discutie."da...
ne va aduce aminte mereu ca nu am stiut cum sa folosim materialul genetic de la vremea respectiva si acum traim cu dorinta sa reapara cainele "vechi"
Mai sunt caini din generatia respectiva, dar trebuie sa-i cauti mult si bine..
Post by: guest on February 17, 2011, 06:03:13 AM
Post by: guest on February 26, 2011, 12:49:20 AM
(http://www.ddrlegends.com/gallery2/d/699-1/Dragon+v+Felsenschloss.jpg)
(http://www.ddrlegends.com/gallery2/d/721-1/Lump+v+Gleisdreieck.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 26, 2011, 12:55:20 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 26, 2011, 02:57:02 AM
Dux, uite ce seamana intrarea in unitatea din clip, cu cea de unde este acum Comandamentul
This one may have been posted already..
The facility entering point looks very similar to that of the Border Police headquarters over here
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/5226408/DDR_Diensthunde
Post by: zimbris on February 26, 2011, 03:10:08 AM
iar aici o nepoata sau stranepoata de Lord G
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBMU2qisTwY
Post by: zimbris on February 26, 2011, 05:21:43 AM
http://www.vimeo.com/3649474
Post by: zimbris on February 26, 2011, 09:24:53 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on February 27, 2011, 02:35:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIGMY3PCaJs
Von Forell Pamela was one nasty bitch, she is in Casso dam side 3-5,4
Post by: zimbris on February 27, 2011, 02:46:29 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 27, 2011, 03:38:12 AM
Tino son (west on mother line). I like the first bite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1pOl4y_14A
Post by: hardbite29 on February 27, 2011, 05:41:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/mindfreak433#p/u (http://www.youtube.com/user/mindfreak433#p/u)
Post by: Man Stopper on February 28, 2011, 08:43:56 PM
Here are some other dogs that have similar bloodlines to Von Forell Pamela.
http://www.youtube.com/user/mindfreak433#p/u (http://www.youtube.com/user/mindfreak433#p/u)
Very good looking confident bitches who have some of the more notable GS working dogs here in Australia.
Diesel looks awesome and shows plenty confidence..!
What drives would we say Diesel is showing, as he does not display much barking.
Is this due to perhaps being conditioned/trained this way, or is he genetically this way..??
Post by: zimbris on March 01, 2011, 12:01:09 AM
Is this due to perhaps being conditioned/trained this way, or is he genetically this way..??you can't really tell that just based on a video, can you..
Diesel looks to be a good looking dog, I really like his build. I also like his bite, it's "constant". Based on the video, what I see it's either abundant prey drive, or a dog putting up with heat. But again, one can't say much just based on this video.
Post by: Man Stopper on March 01, 2011, 07:45:15 AM
Would of been good to see once the jacket was taken off, and helper re- approached the dog in an intimadating way, if then the K9 would respond in a hard courageous way!! Then we would get an indication if its MAN or EQUIPMENT he is after...!
The other dog Yultzen Max, is trained by being given the arm to run around as reward, which only teaches dog to be focused on equipment and not man.
Diesel is an excellent looking dog which i believe to be one of the best in Australia..!
As you know it an uncle to Casso :grin:
Post by: zimbris on March 01, 2011, 07:51:33 AM
And yes, Diesel looks very, very nice!
Post by: zimbris on March 02, 2011, 01:54:26 PM
O poza frumoasa cu Tino
(http://www.zgargamellu.cz/_images/_ruzne/_linie/tino_v_felsenschloss.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on March 03, 2011, 03:02:17 AM
Don Haus Iris
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/don-c-stand-402x270.jpg)
Dargo von den Thüringer Kronjuwelen
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/dargo10yrs-Small.jpg)
Post by: guest on March 03, 2011, 03:42:57 AM
Post by: zimbris on March 03, 2011, 05:12:20 AM
Frumosi, frumosi!
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/nepoatatino.jpg)
Post by: guest on March 03, 2011, 05:30:04 AM
Post by: zimbris on March 03, 2011, 05:37:50 AM
Would of been good to see once the jacket was taken off, and helper re- approached the dog in an intimadating way, if then the K9 would respond in a hard courageous way!! Then we would get an indication if its MAN or EQUIPMENT he is after...!This dog is 5-5 on Mentor, he is also being trained for equipment.. owner's choice.. what can you do..
The other dog Yultzen Max, is trained by being given the arm to run around as reward, which only teaches dog to be focused on equipment and not man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JewTHoN_jT4&feature=related
Post by: RogerW on March 03, 2011, 09:27:55 AM
Like you say, what can you do? And I guess what people want their dogs to do is their own business.
Post by: zimbris on March 03, 2011, 09:45:28 AM
Post by: zimbris on March 04, 2011, 04:12:03 AM
Don Stasi la 6 luni - din nou, lucru in prada efectuat cu atentator.. eu as lucra cainele in prada personal iar mai tarziu cand cainele implineste un an, introduc in imagine atentatorul si ma asigur ca animalul il percepe ca pe o amenintare serioasa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCq4HaAyv8Y
Post by: guest on March 04, 2011, 04:19:42 AM
Post by: zimbris on March 04, 2011, 04:20:49 AM
Post by: guest on March 04, 2011, 04:23:14 AM
Nu zic nimic... :rolleyes:
Post by: zimbris on March 04, 2011, 04:39:20 AM
lips.sealed:grin:
Nu zic nimic... :rolleyes:
Post by: Bogdan on March 04, 2011, 07:21:15 AM
Don Stasi at 6 mo old - again, prey work done by he agitator... I would do the prey work with the pup myself and then later at 1 year of age, I would introduce the dog to the agitator and I make sure the dog understands the agitator is a potential threatNu e acelasi lucru. Cainele interpreteaza diferit situatiile de care spui mai sus.
Don Stasi la 6 luni - din nou, lucru in prada efectuat cu atentator.. eu as lucra cainele in prada personal iar mai tarziu cand cainele implineste un an, introduc in imagine atentatorul si ma asigur ca animalul il percepe ca pe o amenintare serioasa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCq4HaAyv8Y
Un caine in care predomina instinctul defensiv nu o sa aiba probleme la maturitate sa faca paza reala la infractor. Il arzi de 2-3 ori cu biciul si o sa te tina minte toata viata.
Post by: zimbris on March 04, 2011, 07:45:20 AM
Nu e acelasi lucru. Cainele interpreteaza diferit situatiile de care spui mai sus.Asta doar atunci cand cainele are instinct de aparare puternic. Dar in mare ajoritate, practica a confirmat ceea ce spun eu. Atunci cand se incepe devreme cu cainele lucrul cu infractor, in prada, de cele mai multe ori cainele ramane fixat pe echipament.
Un caine in care predomina instinctul defensiv nu o sa aiba probleme la maturitate sa faca paza reala la infractor. Il arzi de 2-3 ori cu biciul si o sa te tina minte toata viata.
Post by: Man Stopper on March 04, 2011, 11:24:03 PM
This frustration bark is genetically there, which is further developed through repetitive training..
Not so defensive in barking more like crying "give me the arm" back..
Post by: zimbris on April 10, 2011, 07:10:26 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/77951.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on April 10, 2011, 10:54:20 PM
Alot of differance between the 2 brothers, Bojar had a very thick head/muzzle and bone strength..!
Post by: zimbris on May 05, 2011, 03:37:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyzuaQQDGeE
Post by: Sorin on May 05, 2011, 03:42:40 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 05, 2011, 03:48:14 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 05, 2011, 04:58:09 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/42107.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on May 05, 2011, 05:05:04 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/620493.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on May 05, 2011, 05:16:32 AM
asta e un fiu din cainele de mai sus this one is sired by the dog just aboveCe tanc de caine. :rockon:
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/620493.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on May 05, 2011, 05:17:36 AM
Post by: Sorin on May 05, 2011, 05:27:15 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 05, 2011, 05:28:32 AM
Post by: guest on May 05, 2011, 06:34:07 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 05, 2011, 06:59:42 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/boban9.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/boban13.jpg)
Dargo von den Thüringer Kronjuwelen cand era mai tinerel
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Dargo-DE-stand-324x235.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on May 06, 2011, 01:47:40 AM
asta e un fiu din cainele de mai sus this one is sired by the dog just above
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/620493.jpg)
This dogs maternal Grandsire line is what Casso has multiple times in his bloodline through his Sire Mad Maxx.. Security Pekahiah (Norse) was very well known in Australia for producing dozens of working police/security dogs..Norse was linebred 5,5-4 ....Ex v Riedstern..
Post by: Man Stopper on May 06, 2011, 01:57:13 AM
Boban pustan - super
Dargo von den Thüringer Kronjuwelen cand era mai tinerel
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Dargo-DE-stand-324x235.jpg)
Thats a super stance and look of Dargo at a young age it seems, and Bobans always been a fav of mine since a few years back on Vomdomburgerland forum..
Post by: zimbris on May 06, 2011, 01:08:49 PM
This dogs maternal Grandsire line is what Casso has multiple times in his bloodline through his Sire Mad Maxx.. Security Pekahiah (Norse) was very well known in Australia for producing dozens of working police/security dogs..Norse was linebred 5,5-4 ....Ex v Riedstern..
pretty cool to know that.. It's always great to appreciate the blood in the dog you own
how about this Cedy Gaja then (line bred on Ingo and Held)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/427327.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on May 06, 2011, 01:12:10 PM
Post by: zimbris on May 06, 2011, 01:49:29 PM
I pulled a few more shots of some Held sons
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/144966.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/143453.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/135989.jpg)
Post by: guest on May 06, 2011, 01:55:52 PM
Post by: Sorin on May 06, 2011, 01:58:42 PM
Post by: guest on May 06, 2011, 02:00:09 PM
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 02:29:15 AM
Imi place mult ce cap are primul caine.uite asa e fiica de cainele respectiv, ii seamana mult
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/167153-1.jpg)
mie-mi place al 3lea caine
Post by: Sorin on May 07, 2011, 02:48:28 AM
uite asa e fiica de cainele respectiv, ii seamana multFemela asta nu e Ilka vom Sachsenwappen?
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 03:13:18 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on May 07, 2011, 03:22:07 AM
pretty cool to know that.. It's always great to appreciate the blood in the dog you own
how about this Cedy Gaja then (line bred on Ingo and Held)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/427327.jpg)
This dog has an awesome build on him,his sire has alot to do with this as has Held vom Ritterberg..!
Just realised that one of Leo's first dog 'Regalhaus Glock' was very closeley related to Mad Maxx the sire of Casso..
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 03:26:54 AM
Post by: guest on May 07, 2011, 03:38:45 AM
uite asa e fiica de cainele respectiv, ii seamana multSeamana bine intr-adevar.
Post by: Man Stopper on May 07, 2011, 03:43:38 AM
small world after all ;)
Yet still difficult to find 'real' old school style working GSD with natural abilities to perform..
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 04:11:48 AM
pai asta se aplica pt toti CG-ii, indiferent de descendenta, ca e est, ca e vest... sunt probleme mari in ziua de azi. Nu ai de ales decat sa te multumesti cu ceea ce mai exista in prezent. Asta e motivul pt care eu dau mare importanta cainilor din unitati militare care au sau nu documente.
Post by: Johnsk9 on May 07, 2011, 04:20:03 AM
CG-ul a fost crescut ca si caine de casa / familie de multi ani. Vom continua sa vedem un declin in mersul rasei. Publicul nu vrea caini care musca si latra
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 04:22:58 AM
I believe that tends to happen to all (or most) working breeds. I guess a few years from now a GS dog will only be good to look at...
Bine-ai revenit John!
Eu cred ca asta se intampla cu toate (sau cu majoritatea) rasele utilitare. Cred ca in cativa ani de zile, cainii astia vor fi buni doar sa te uiti la ei..
Post by: Johnsk9 on May 07, 2011, 04:30:40 AM
da, oamenii cresc ca sa aiba ce vinde in ziua de azi. daca citesti prin database ai sa tot vezi oameni care vor caine care sa nu latre la strain sau sa nu-l muste. Eu nu vand caini unor astfel de oameni.
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 04:33:39 AM
Cred ca ar trebui sa se orienteze catre un labrador (de exemplu)
De-asta am stricat rasa, pt ca am modelat-o dupa cum a dorit 'x' si 'y', mai exact, piatza.
Post by: Johnsk9 on May 07, 2011, 04:39:08 AM
I forgot to tell you i had 6 males born Monday 02. Two solid black, four Black & tan. :devil:
da, oamenii vor bani. Si s-au schimbat si principiile de crestere. multi crescatori nu mai vor sa foloseasca sangele vechi.
Am uitat sa mentionez, am 6 masculi care s-au nascut pe 2, Marti. 2 negri complet si 4 negru cu maron.
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 04:42:00 AM
e o veste buna! abia astept sa vad ceva poze cu cateii!
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 04:44:56 AM
Yes people just want the money. And breed practices have changed. New breeders do not want to breed the old way some the type dopes off .yeah.. and look where the breed is today - pretty much a mess, with some minor exceptions..
da.. si uite unde e rasa astazi - o aiureala, cu ceva exceptii mici..
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 11:13:37 AM
just to keep posting some good lookers of the past; a lord G son
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/108684.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 11:23:12 AM
a Don R son, a bit too angulated for my liking but nevertheless, nice looking dog
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/144776.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 11:58:09 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/83000.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on May 07, 2011, 12:07:31 PM
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 12:36:23 PM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/1793011.jpg)
(http://www.eldo-spatzenhaus.de/POKAL.JPG)
(http://www.eldo-spatzenhaus.de/ELDI%26SASCH.JPG)
Post by: Sorin on May 07, 2011, 12:43:43 PM
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 12:45:00 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on May 07, 2011, 12:46:25 PM
fiu de Zorro, Eldo Spatzenhaus. As spune ca seamana cu Lord G
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/1793011.jpg)
(http://www.eldo-spatzenhaus.de/POKAL.JPG)
(http://www.eldo-spatzenhaus.de/ELDI%26SASCH.JPG)
Eldo is a zorro son the police is a women and owned Eldo Spatzenhaus
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 12:48:06 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on May 07, 2011, 12:52:30 PM
I was just saying he looks a lot like Lord GleisdreieckHe was titled many times but never bred he has used in police and competed
:cry: so no one used him
A fost titrat de multe ori dar niciodata reprodus, ci doar folosit pt politie si nu l-a folosit nimeni in crestere
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 12:55:07 PM
da am observat ca nu are descendenti.. pacat.. una la mana arata f puternic pe fizic iar in privinta temperamentului, a fost caine de politie iar asta spune tot.
Post by: Johnsk9 on May 07, 2011, 12:58:10 PM
yes I noticed there is no offspring.. that's a shame.. For one thing he looks powerful and as for temperament.. well, he was a service dog and that pretty much tells the story.Eldo Spatzenhaus :goodnews:
SCHH3, FH1 (V-LG-FH), PDP, WPO (SG-IDM 1995) Kkl 2
He had a very good pedigree i was trying to find it
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 12:59:27 PM
I wish they videotaped at least some of the trials he competed in..
Post by: Johnsk9 on May 07, 2011, 01:02:36 PM
Linebreeding - 5 generations
4 - 5............................................. in V Condor vom Marderpfahl
5 - 4............................................. in Gomo vom Osterberg
4 - 5............................................. in V Mara vom Rundeck
5,5 - 4,5......................................... in V Ex vom Riedstern
3 - 4............................................. in V Ohle vom Rundeck
Kor:
Over medium size, medium strong, normal
Withers, firm back, short croup.
Angulation of the front and rear should
be pronounced somewhat bound transitions.
Safe nature, hardness, courage and combat impulse
pronouncedly;.
Changes: SchH3, FH
Prenzlau, 09/17/1994 - KM Joachim Bratke
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 01:06:51 PM
Cliff v Bleifleck 3 generations down on his dam side.. that's another dog I wish i saw more of, but as far as I know there are only 2 pictures available of the dog.
Post by: guest on May 07, 2011, 11:32:26 PM
Post by: zimbris on May 07, 2011, 11:36:54 PM
Super frumos Eldo! Seamana leit cu Lord!:yes:
Post by: zimbris on May 10, 2011, 02:52:02 AM
somebody posted a new picture of C Geraufer
(http://mfst1.working-dog.eu/Cliff-vom-Geraufer-----uHdixoVPDofRbXXe7CSzRhg42PB4cKSz-TecrLv80rc,.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on May 10, 2011, 03:04:39 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 10, 2011, 03:23:11 AM
Post by: Sorin on May 10, 2011, 03:30:25 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 10, 2011, 03:32:51 AM
Post by: Sorin on May 10, 2011, 03:35:04 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 11, 2011, 03:30:18 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/20090924073956230-0001_400_288.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on May 11, 2011, 03:34:01 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 11, 2011, 10:20:58 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/b17.jpg)
Post by: guest on May 11, 2011, 10:42:31 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on May 14, 2011, 04:57:33 AM
Yes people just want the money. And breed practices have changed. New breeders do not want to breed the old way some the type dopes off .
I forgot to tell you :devil:
da, oamenii vor bani. Si s-au schimbat si principiile de crestere. multi crescatori nu mai vor sa foloseasca sangele vechi.
Am uitat sa mentionez, am 6 masculi care s-au nascut pe 2, Marti. 2 negri complet si 4 negru cu maron.
Post by: guest on May 15, 2011, 12:22:19 PM
Watching those pics of "old" dogs, I notice that many dogs have a certain type of leash/carbine. The same type of carbine I have at Tara's leash. I remember some time ago, a show line owner saw the leash and told me on a tone of voice somehow superior that it's not good. Anyway, it didn't matter for me - whether he was right or not, I liked/like the leash.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_CevV3FheIOs/Tc7SpTjVnCI/AAAAAAAAAbU/TLuZp0MZ7NQ/Lesa_Tara_01.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_CevV3FheIOs/Tc7SpWdFPdI/AAAAAAAAAbQ/g6uLswRGWUE/Lesa_Tara_02.JPG)
Post by: fabius.m on May 15, 2011, 10:26:47 PM
Very nice leash! From where did you bought it?
Post by: guest on May 16, 2011, 01:18:15 AM
The leash is handmade, I bought it from a guy a few years ago.
Post by: Sorin on May 16, 2011, 01:32:29 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 17, 2011, 01:22:36 PM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/dux_rimbachtal.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on May 18, 2011, 12:21:09 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 18, 2011, 03:30:33 AM
Post by: guest on May 18, 2011, 03:31:37 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 18, 2011, 03:32:15 AM
Post by: Sorin on May 18, 2011, 03:33:53 AM
Cred ca Sorin se refera la faptul ca nu se gasesc prea multe poze cu fiecare caine in parte...:ok:
Post by: zimbris on May 27, 2011, 01:38:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK5C6rIGBUQ
Post by: zimbris on June 01, 2011, 09:53:45 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/1324291.jpg)
Post by: guest on June 01, 2011, 09:54:35 AM
Post by: Sorin on June 01, 2011, 12:49:31 PM
Post by: guest on June 02, 2011, 03:55:29 PM
Post by: guest on June 04, 2011, 12:23:51 AM
(http://wdcontent04.working-dog.eu/Henry-vom-%D6dland-----q-Pm9ve0AfEIjDA5OXvF9NYozuFMchBpOunvm-LNego,.jpg)
(http://mfst2.working-dog.eu/Henry-vom-%D6dland-----mlywW5G8GLc_ys83jAnBNk7EunQGNYiFKviIkg1046Y,.jpg)
(http://wdcontent02.working-dog.eu/Henry-vom-%D6dland-----Gi7QKviX4XNQ9vsDklXpN_WUAeivNeuFCXMXOzXk99U,.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on June 04, 2011, 12:25:27 AM
Post by: guest on June 04, 2011, 12:26:39 AM
(http://mfst1.working-dog.eu/Heino-vom-%D6dland-----uHdixoVPDofWpG-XA2z690rOUv8VsB6HEPC87H1Tq4Y,.jpg)
Post by: guest on June 04, 2011, 12:29:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQK1v31quOc&feature=feedrec_grec_index
Post by: Sorin on June 04, 2011, 12:31:00 AM
Post by: zimbris on June 04, 2011, 12:32:49 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on June 04, 2011, 09:34:21 PM
Post by: zimbris on June 04, 2011, 09:36:46 PM
Arek has a nice ideal build on him and noticed that he is 3-4 on Zorro, wonder if he has the character of Zorro..nope, not from what I know...
Post by: Man Stopper on June 04, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
Post by: zimbris on June 04, 2011, 10:15:40 PM
Thought so that this is the case, nice looking CH looking dogs in the states, but no 'real go' in them, hte way they used to be.. People with cash looking to make more cash, disregarding the 'old school' approach in the last 2 decades..spot on!
Post by: zimbris on June 04, 2011, 10:24:34 PM
noticed that he is 3-4 on Zorro, wonder if he has the character of Zorro..it's exactly like John puts it, you may have a great dog in Zorro (for example) but in order to get something good out of him, you really need to know the different bloodlines in order to "mix" Zorro's with the right one. Just having Zorro in the picture is not enough..
Post by: RogerW on June 06, 2011, 04:47:31 AM
Post by: zimbris on June 06, 2011, 04:58:39 AM
I believe the Americans do not really know how to separate true working lines of the DDR from the show lines of the same DDR. DDR dog by default does not mean working dog / line. The DDR had their own show lines and I came to learn, in the last 4 years or so, that many seem to either ignore or (much more likely) don't know / realize that. Also, I believe MOST of the DDR dogs the Americans bought after the Wall came down, were of show lines, for two reasons - one would be, the east Germans, really, sold (mostly) good looking crap to the Americans especially since looks seem to be very important to the American way of thinking (not just when it comes to dogs). The other reasons would be, the really good working dogs were taken by others, such as the (former) Soviets.
Please remember I ams saying this based on the above mentioned, not real-life experiments.
Post by: Man Stopper on June 07, 2011, 02:09:09 AM
Post by: zimbris on June 07, 2011, 02:33:38 AM
Having a website and giving out limited or full registration papers, with plenty of nice pics and using many fancy adjectives, don't mean your getting some courageous hard genuine DDR dog, wheather it's in the states or other parts of the world....and that's the reality with many current DDR GS dog breeders.
If i was to take a pick i would probally visit some area in the former soviet regions..smart man ;)
Post by: zimbris on June 11, 2011, 01:09:14 AM
Personal nu imi plac anumiti caini din sangele lui chiar daca e consangvinizat si pe Zorro, dar deh, l-am postat si pe el, in caz ca mai sunt prin forum unii interesati in mod deosebit de liniile estice.
There are some videos you could watch of this young dog. I personally don't like the bloodlines with some exceptions but I posted the dog as some of you may be particularly interested in the east blood.
Grisu vom Stepenitztal (http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/920541/Grisu-vom-Stepenitztal/18987299861qnn16#show)
Post by: zimbris on June 11, 2011, 02:20:08 PM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/144966-1.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on June 11, 2011, 02:26:08 PM
(http://mfst2.working-dog.eu/Ex-vom-Haus-Penz-----mlywW5G8GLf-vI2b-w5vpUV8qS79oRZCE6moVLnVibA,.jpg)
(http://waldi.working-dog.eu/Ex-vom-Haus-Penz-----v1bMswkl_C57ftbA7V9EZnav3Uhus6N54rx_NKD2L7s,.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on June 13, 2011, 10:39:32 PM
Good to see some Held progeny on pics.. Cheers Dani :rockon:
Post by: zimbris on June 22, 2011, 04:18:49 AM
Claus vom Sachsenwolf, 6 months old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R066lSelF80
Post by: zimbris on June 22, 2011, 05:04:53 AM
Without the collar around its neck it,we can say it would of been an old wild canine wandering in the wilderness..Hey Reg, you will like this: Marko Blatenskeho zamku, he is a Held grandson (Kass Furstendamm is the sire)
Good to see some Held progeny on pics.. Cheers Dani :rockon:
Reg, o sa-ti placa asta: , Marko Blatenskeho zamku, e nepot de Held (Kass Furstendamm e tatal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2UFAbOBuP4
Post by: Man Stopper on June 23, 2011, 12:05:29 AM
Am sure that i read on another forum, that Marco's pedigree on the PDB is or was not correct.
His Dam is apparently born in 1978, so he would of been born in the mid 80's. Yet i thought he was here in the early 2000 - 2001
Post by: zimbris on June 23, 2011, 12:23:32 AM
Pedigree database is LOADED with crap, names just being mentioned without real foundation. The two major databases, pedigree database and working-dog.eu are both crap. Furthermore, the later one, although called "working-dog", present show line breeding too; I emailed the admin but had no reply whatsoever. This is the influence of.. well, you know who..
Am sure that i read on another forum, that Marco's pedigree on the PDB is or was not correct.
His Dam is apparently born in 1978, so he would of been born in the mid 80's. Yet i thought he was here in the early 2000 - 2001
The reason I like held is, when I come across good working dogs of east bloodlines, I eventually bump into Held in the pedigree. Many good Czech dogs have Held.
Post by: Man Stopper on June 23, 2011, 12:46:00 AM
The pic of Ingo v Rudingen on PDB shows a very square side profile, looks very differant on the photo which is on the Von Forell site.
Post by: zimbris on June 23, 2011, 01:17:46 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on June 23, 2011, 01:29:51 AM
I know the Lord clip.
The pic of Ingo which was on the Von Forell site did sort of resemble Lord, but am sure its not Lord.
Just looks too light around the head/muzzle to be Ingo..
Post by: zimbris on June 23, 2011, 01:56:31 AM
Dani which video is on the YT, i never new there was one of Ingo..oops.. I mixed the two dogs, Ingo and Lord! The more "yellow" dog posted on PDB as being that of Ingo, I believe is not the right one. The one with a more dark / black dog is the true one of Ingo.
I believe this to be the true picture of Ingo
(http://www.justfurkids.com/maxi/ancestry/To_Add/Ingo%20von%20Rudingen%20pedigree%20information_files/5466.jpg)
not this one
(http://waldi.working-dog.eu/Ingo-von-Rudingen-----v1bMswkl_C6lvxRgsD111Uyi9lK4lqynZH02oQHjBWM,.jpg)
the second one seems (to me) to be looking more like a west dog...
this Ingo son looks more like the "yellow" dog but I guess all that "yellow" may as well come from the dam side
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/101780.jpg)
as opposed to (for example) a more black dog like Kendo vom Schotterhof, or Condor von der Gottgauer Mühle
Post by: Man Stopper on June 24, 2011, 04:40:05 AM
But the other true pic of Ingo is an excellent type as the judges once rated..
Post by: zimbris on July 04, 2011, 01:08:36 AM
Pictures of Rasputin taken in May this year, he's pretty big!
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-e02KexiUShM/ThAi2hIVduI/AAAAAAAACDc/EkWb4r06kAQ/s640/bo73-1k.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GC8iOc1Id2M/ThAi3qTMbYI/AAAAAAAACDg/OQqAmgDm2Jk/s800/bo73-1l.jpg)
Post by: bobo70 on July 04, 2011, 01:38:15 AM
Post by: zimbris on July 04, 2011, 01:45:27 AM
Post by: bobo70 on July 04, 2011, 01:59:16 AM
Post by: zimbris on July 04, 2011, 02:01:18 AM
Ce capatana are, daca nu ar fi urechile erecte ai zice ca-i mascul de Rottweiler.:grin: da, are cap foarte gros, puternic.
Post by: Sorin on July 04, 2011, 02:22:34 AM
Post by: zimbris on July 04, 2011, 02:38:04 AM
Mama da ce frumos e .!Ce vartsa are in poza?8 ani
Post by: guest on July 04, 2011, 04:38:08 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on July 04, 2011, 09:13:31 PM
I say that dogs with Tino and/or Condor Tonteichen, seem to have super head strength..
Post by: zimbris on July 13, 2011, 02:14:39 PM
Don progeny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zad0KJT0E74
Post by: Man Stopper on August 12, 2011, 01:01:28 AM
Don was linebred on Bernd vom Lierberg (2 - 2).
Dani you think you can track down a nostalgic photo..?
Post by: zimbris on August 12, 2011, 01:35:11 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on August 12, 2011, 01:51:19 AM
Post by: zimbris on August 12, 2011, 02:03:06 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on August 12, 2011, 02:32:39 AM
hmm.. I was thinking black, actually...Guess we would never know..
Hey Dani gotta check out this dog Pitzo von Wolkenstein, he is the closest to Held Ritterberg we would ever see..
What a DDR head this Male has..
Post by: zimbris on August 12, 2011, 03:09:11 AM
(http://mfst1.working-dog.eu/Pitzo-vom-Wolkenstein-----uHdixoVPDod4RhpIOBJGQImwlWaREvEiOxk5wik1GCs,.gif)
Post by: Sorin on August 12, 2011, 01:45:15 PM
Post by: zimbris on August 14, 2011, 12:38:36 AM
this is how Google translates it (looks a bit funny since it's done by Google):
Dog sports in the former East Germany began in the GST. It was only later evolved the dog sport division, briefly SDG (section service and working dogs).
Breeding conditions and training conditions differ in the GDR than it is now in the situation. Only HD-free shepherd dogs were allowed to breed. Enforced by the offspring was this assessment that existed only in the GDR, not in the FRG. This means that all German Shepherd puppies had to be aged from 12 months to a test subject to review body, health and temperament of the dogs.
when a young shepherd dog were genetic defect is detected, this was not approved for breeding.
evaded the owner of a Puppies this test, so were not for this dog breed suitability papers issued. This means also that Shepherd could not be used for breeding, he remained all his life without papers.
Unfortunately we only have two portrait photos with typical Schutzunden DDR bloodlines:
(http://www.schutzhundcenter.com/mambots/content/plugin_jw_sig/showthumb.php?img=gallery/ddr/espe-karlsturm.jpg&width=200&height=200&quality=80) (http://www.schutzhundcenter.com/mambots/content/plugin_jw_sig/showthumb.php?img=gallery/ddr/odo-hasenheide.jpg&width=200&height=200&quality=80)
Also, the guard dog training was something else in the GDR. There was still the Beisskorbflucht or the bike run. That was not always easy for the carer. He had to drop from the wheel, without harming yourself or the dog. Here are two photos of a bike run. The apparent culprit is our Jens, was still lean and mean ...
(http://www.schutzhundcenter.com/mambots/content/plugin_jw_sig/showthumb.php?img=gallery/ddr/flucht/fahrrad0.jpg&width=200&height=200&quality=80) (http://www.schutzhundcenter.com/mambots/content/plugin_jw_sig/showthumb.php?img=gallery/ddr/flucht/fahrrad1.jpg&width=200&height=200&quality=80) (http://www.schutzhundcenter.com/mambots/content/plugin_jw_sig/showthumb.php?img=gallery/ddr/flucht/fahrrad2.jpg&width=200&height=200&quality=80)
Post by: kangdanlin on August 19, 2011, 04:50:56 AM
Post by: guest on August 19, 2011, 05:15:59 AM
Post by: zimbris on August 19, 2011, 06:49:23 AM
Post by: kangdanlin on August 19, 2011, 09:15:57 AM
Post by: zimbris on August 21, 2011, 05:06:28 AM
I like this look, somewhat straighter back, rascal look on the face, gets me thinking "old school"
Olm von Christiensruh
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1pfMAOle5xk/Tk-ieq_b29I/AAAAAAAACOc/8J2i4FrlIfE/s576/Olm%252520von%252520Christiensruh.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on August 21, 2011, 05:11:53 AM
I would say the same about G Felsenstein, maybe without the rascal looks
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Lv9lTY5Qv_g/Tk-kJ9K5gxI/AAAAAAAACOk/XcCiPidVBUs/s576/Greif%252520Felsenstein.jpg)
Post by: guest on August 21, 2011, 05:13:38 AM
Post by: zimbris on August 21, 2011, 05:14:42 AM
Post by: zimbris on August 21, 2011, 05:18:11 AM
Post by: guest on August 21, 2011, 05:25:59 AM
apropos de Olm... si cand ma gandesc ca am avut asa ceva sub ochii mei.. prin '92, un caine adus de la jandarmi, il luase fiul unui politist care era nebun dupa caini CG. Cainele se numea Nero si "jucaria" lui preferata era un bloc de BCA. La varsta de 1 an a incins o bataie cu un CG adult, urias si ala, il chema King, un exemplar foarte, foarte frumos si puternic. Cand s-au luat la bataie s-a dat toata lumea la o parte si-au ramas (bine-nteles) stapanii sa-i desparta; dar ziceai ca se bat 2 uri, asa zgomote se auzeau.Partea cu BCA-ul ai mai povestit-o cred prin forum. :)
Degeaba, sunt caini impresionanti, din toate pct de vedere. Sau erau, ca acuma...
Post by: zimbris on August 21, 2011, 05:33:19 AM
Partea cu BCA-ul ai mai povestit-o cred prin forum. :)
da.. parca l-am mai mentionat..
Degeaba, sunt caini impresionanti, din toate pct de vedere. Sau erau, ca acuma......ca acuma trebuie sa cauti mult si bine
Post by: Sorin on August 21, 2011, 05:38:50 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on August 21, 2011, 05:39:10 AM
da.. parca l-am mai mentionat..
...ca acuma trebuie sa cauti mult si bine
Olm has nice expression.. :rockon: What do you mean by 'rascal' look..
Something similar to this here in Australia, by the name of Casso.. :lol:
Post by: guest on August 22, 2011, 06:04:46 AM
Cliff Geraufer.
(http://www.anhalter-hof.de/pic/f01.450x320.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on August 22, 2011, 06:09:20 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on August 22, 2011, 06:36:41 AM
Post by: zimbris on August 23, 2011, 10:02:27 PM
About 3 years ago Dux (Nicu) had a sable female in training who had Don Clausberg in her ped, she was / is a massive bitch with high suspicion towards strangers. At first sight one would have thought she was actually a male, given her size, but that didn't take away her female looks. Nice dog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW7DYjgbQfo
Post by: Sorin on August 24, 2011, 03:06:11 AM
Post by: zimbris on August 24, 2011, 03:12:06 AM
Post by: Sorin on August 24, 2011, 03:15:11 AM
e mai greu putin, in miscari, pt ca astia DDR sunt ceva mai grosiSe vede ca sunt mai greoi ,dar imi place mult tipul asta de caine ddr, sunt foarte puternici, osatura zdravana. notworthy
Post by: zimbris on August 24, 2011, 03:16:49 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on August 24, 2011, 08:02:56 PM
Dux looks good,but i prefer Don vom Clausberg in his type..
Post by: zimbris on August 26, 2011, 02:23:30 PM
Post by: zimbris on August 27, 2011, 12:23:38 PM
asa este , un produs Parchimer Landcainele e Jasso vom Anhalter Hof
Post by: guest on August 27, 2011, 02:37:17 PM
cainele e Jasso vom Anhalter Hofhttp://www.anhalter-hof.de/galerie.htm
Post by: guest on August 29, 2011, 10:34:43 AM
Don Rolandsteich son
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/123406.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on September 02, 2011, 09:16:36 AM
Bit of Pele vom Kiebitzmoor in there on maternal side via Dela vom Haus Christian..
Post by: zimbris on September 05, 2011, 08:53:39 AM
Bruno, Briska's brother, at 10 months old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwkLrUsQO3M
Post by: zimbris on September 05, 2011, 05:20:27 PM
Caja von den Wilden Teufeln (Enzo von den Grauen von Monstab x Ayka vom Haus Iris)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ4uNQV2lnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVpNTkXgGI
Post by: zimbris on September 09, 2011, 02:56:57 PM
remember I was saying I couldn't sleep after seeing a picture of Bodo Rosenzweig - Bo Jetta is his daughter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsvCYWK9tTE
Post by: Man Stopper on September 09, 2011, 06:14:20 PM
I have some pics of Betty Rosenzweig somewhere i am sure, she has similar head strength and ear set..
Although she is Bi colour..
Bella is super also..
Post by: zimbris on September 09, 2011, 06:16:48 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on September 09, 2011, 06:22:06 PM
Post by: zimbris on September 09, 2011, 06:28:37 PM
Post by: zimbris on September 16, 2011, 07:03:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMVu1tiVto
Post by: kangdanlin on September 20, 2011, 05:27:04 AM
http://www.ddr-k9.com/henry.html
Post by: zimbris on September 20, 2011, 05:34:50 AM
Post by: kangdanlin on September 20, 2011, 05:39:22 AM
da l-am revazut...Henry e mai solid...
Post by: zimbris on October 02, 2011, 08:36:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8N4E7G_1sw
Post by: zimbris on October 02, 2011, 09:43:36 AM
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/6426289/Diva_aus_dem_Tempel_der_Ceres_VPG1
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 04:34:56 AM
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00345/fsl_ddr_3_DW_Politi_345862p.jpg)
Link catre articol, pt interesati sau curiosi. http://www.welt.de/politik/article1105646/Wer_nicht_schiesst_ist_ein_Verraeter.html
Post by: guest on October 04, 2011, 04:37:04 AM
http://canisa-zimbris.com/forum/index.php?topic=32.msg354#msg354
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 04:43:23 AM
Ti-am luat-o inainte cu poza. :grin::wall: :goodnight:
http://canisa-zimbris.com/forum/index.php?topic=32.msg354#msg354
da..
eu am postat-o mai mult ca punct de referire la situatia cu "specialistii" :lol:
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 04:54:14 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/7905642.gif)
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 05:05:51 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=iUvZWNPadZ8[/youtube]
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 05:25:59 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/post-90-1217925014.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/post-90-1217925070.jpg)
si o poza
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/post-90-1172930401.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 05:27:26 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/post-90-1217884945.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/post-90-1217885032.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/post-90-1217885102.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/post-90-1217885451.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 05:27:47 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/post-90-1229762144.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/post-90-1234860026.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/post-90-1286141988.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/post-90-1172089539.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 04, 2011, 05:38:12 AM
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 05:43:32 AM
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 05:45:50 AM
cainele aduce putin a Lord Gleisdreieck..
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/05150936693.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 05:51:40 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/mauerhunde112_v-contentgross.jpg)
iar aici o poza cu civili interesati de cainii "zidului", dupa daramarea lui.
civilians interested in the "wall" dogs, after bringing it down.
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/mauerhunde118_v-contentgross.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on October 04, 2011, 05:54:33 AM
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 05:55:05 AM
dupa daramarea Zidului, americanii si germanii de vest au vrut sa ia cainii de serviciu, iar guvernul german (daca am inteles eu bine) a stabilit pretul de 400 marci (deutsche marke) per caine, pt americani. Niste lucratori sociali din G de vest au luat primii 10 caini.
yeah, I get the goose bumps just looking at them..
After the Wall came down, the Americans and the west Germans wanted to buy the wall service dogs and eventually the German government made the price of 400 Deutsche Marke (for the American buyers), or something like that. Some west German animal activists took the first batch of 10 dogs, into a dog shelter.
Post by: guest on October 04, 2011, 05:58:18 AM
inca una..Cred ca tipul cu cainele din poza aceasta este unul si acelasi cu cel de aici, dar vazuti din lateral. Daca nu-l vedeam pe individ, nu cred ca-mi dadeam seama...
cainele aduce putin a Lord Gleisdreieck..
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/05150936693.jpg)
(http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00345/fsl_ddr_3_DW_Politi_345862p.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 06:00:31 AM
Cred ca tipul cu cainele din poza aceasta este unul si acelasi cu cel de aici, dar vazuti din lateral. Daca nu-l vedeam pe individ, nu cred ca-mi dadeam seama...da, la fel zic si eu.
cateva poze cu civili care au luat caini de serviciu.. ahh.. ce n-as da sa fie si bunica-meu intr-o poza de-asta, iar eu sa "mostenesc" ce a "gasit" el pe-acolo...
pictures of civilians who either adopted or bought service dogs after the Wall came down. I wish my grandparents were in the pictures too..
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/mauerhunde116_v-contentgross.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/mauerhunde110_v-contentgross.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/mauerhunde108_v-contentgross.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 06:07:47 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/A-018.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/I-009.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/mauer_65_zaun_hunde_344658p.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 06:18:28 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/wpce9fcf44_0f.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 04, 2011, 06:29:11 AM
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 06:29:46 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/ddrborderdog.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 06:38:37 AM
Pacat ca e la dimensiune asa mica.inca una pitica..
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/RTEmagicC_08_a_02jpg.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 06:42:19 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/krellenberg126_v-contentgross.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on October 04, 2011, 06:43:04 AM
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 07:06:06 AM
Nu o sa mai avem noi cainii astia in veci.!ba da :lol:
hai sa pun si un clip scurt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syoJQkkSBEw
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 04, 2011, 10:15:46 AM
Hey John, do you recognize this picture? Osman westsachan
:grin:
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/7905642.gif)
Osman Westsachan DDR
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 10:24:42 AM
Osman Westsachan DDRDon son, huh? :cool:
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 01:03:20 PM
the one and only, Lord G
http://vimeo.com/29975897
Post by: Sorin on October 04, 2011, 01:13:24 PM
Post by: zimbris on October 04, 2011, 01:16:04 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 08, 2011, 06:43:28 PM
Osman Westsachan DDRNice type.
I actually thiught it was similar to Neuamans Jim..
The last B&W pic with the soldiers and the light coloured angry male looks awesome..
Post by: zimbris on October 08, 2011, 11:14:52 PM
Westsachsen - they might have been one of the kennels shooting more for conformation, I am saying that because I see quite a few of the dogs they produced, being showed in the DDR (and later after the wall came down) sieger. Also excelling in looks, am thinking of Viktor when I say that.
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/199036.jpg)
But then, one is not to compare the DDR sieger with that of the west, since the DDR had a better judging system. Nevertheless, am sure the DDR had their own crappy dogs. In short, I guess the west Germans, in a short space of time, over angulated their show dogs and added loads of drive in the working dog (which overrides or affects other temperament elements) while the DDR dog remained closer to its original type.
Post by: Man Stopper on October 09, 2011, 12:48:30 AM
Post by: zimbris on October 09, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
Viktor has a definite sloping croup, but nothing which looks ridiculous in comparison to the west..you can say that again!
Post by: guest on October 19, 2011, 09:35:22 AM
Lord Gleisdreieck son
(http://wdcontent03.working-dog.eu/Xando-von-der-Eisenkaute-----bcHhZVEMZw9dYKBRRP3aufKhnyKuDmh2tkSicMM2vRA,.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on October 26, 2011, 11:10:16 AM
Fiu de Lord Gleisdreieckseamana
Post by: zimbris on November 16, 2011, 10:48:41 AM
Este vb de un nepot de Zorro si stranepot de Grand Ritterberg. Din pacate cainele a stat pe maini gresite, de-aici si motivul pt care are o ureche "faultata". Uitati-va ce structura osoasa are, mie unul mi se pare nemaipomenita! Dar asemanarea in temperament (el si Hun) mi-a adus aminte de inregistrarea video; am luat sonorul din clip ca sa protejez anumite persoane, dar in coloana sonora se pot auzi cuvintele "nu are teama de nici un alt caine sau de om, este foarte curajos si dominant". Observati cum isi marcheaza teritoriul aproape tot timpul.
just observing Hun's behavior here, but also from previous chats with John I remembered I got some footage from John of a dog that was very much like Hun. Unfortunately the dog was in the wrong hands for some time, hence his left ear, but note his structure, it's just insane, at least in my own view. I took the sound out out of respect for some people but they described the dog in the lines of "he is very brave, has no fear of other dogs or men, very dominant". The dog is grandson of Zorro and great-grandson of grand Ritterberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRWdCtGVe3w
Post by: Sorin on November 16, 2011, 02:21:17 PM
Post by: zimbris on November 23, 2011, 03:26:19 PM
Alf Kornersee great grandson, born in 2001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq6X_-asm2M
Post by: zimbris on November 24, 2011, 12:16:41 PM
http://www.vomanton.com/media/Gero_BH_1.wmv
Post by: zimbris on November 25, 2011, 12:44:32 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on November 25, 2011, 01:37:00 PM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/enno4.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on November 25, 2011, 01:43:32 PM
Take a Bite out of CRIME !!! Get a Real DDR Dog :rockon:
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/enno4.jpg)
hey John, looks like you're having a good day :grin:
If you keep posting pictures like this, Dux won't be able to sleep :lol:
Hey, by having Hun I am getting to know the DDR somewhat better.. I would think, of all possible "purposes", they would be best in PP; reason I am saying that - they are more calm and quite protective. So unless one would want to compete in sports, the DDR type would be IT, for PP.
I've been looking online for footage of DDR dogs at work and I have to say, a fairly big part of them are rather soft, i wish people knew better about bloodlines and good combinations..
John, se pare ca ai o zi buna :grin:
Nu mai posta poze de-astea, ori Dux n-o sa mai doarma noaptea :lol:
Acum ca-l am pe Hun incep sa inteleg mai bine tipul DDR si cred ca, din toate scopurile pt care ar putea fi folosit, Propectie personala este cel mai cel. Spun asta pt ca e un caine mai calm dar cu aptitudini f bune de paza si, daca nu vrei sa concurezi in competitii, cainele DDR e numai bun pt asa ceva (protectie personala).
Am tot cautat clipuri online cu caini DDR si recunosc ca nu am fost atat de impresionat, mi s-au parut moi o buna parte din ei. Imi doresc ca cei care detin astfel de caini sa cunoasca mai bine liniile sanguine si sa stie ce combinatii sa faca..
Post by: zimbris on November 25, 2011, 01:49:07 PM
ce mi-ar fi placut sa-l vad pe Enno la lucru..
Post by: Johnsk9 on November 25, 2011, 01:50:24 PM
hey John, looks like you're having a good day :grin:
If you keep posting pictures like this, Dux won't be able to sleep :lol:
Hey, by having Hun I am getting to know the DDR somewhat better.. I would think, of all possible "purposes", they would be best in PP; reason I am saying that - they are more calm and quite protective. So unless one would want to compete in sports, the DDR type would be IT, for PP.
I've been looking online for footage of DDR dogs at work and I have to say, a fairly big part of them are rather soft, i wish people knew better about bloodlines and good combinations..
Yes i agree
Post by: zimbris on November 25, 2011, 01:55:44 PM
Imi imaginez ca prin combinarea sangelui DDR cu sangele potrivit vestic, s-ar obtine ceva cel putin interesant. Am observat ca s-a facut asta mult cu Lord G.
Post by: Sorin on November 25, 2011, 02:02:03 PM
my goodness, would have loved to see Enno doing some bite work..Si noua ne-ar place sa vedem unul din cainii lui John pe protectie!
ce mi-ar fi placut sa-l vad pe Enno la lucru..
We would like to see one of John's dogs at work!
Post by: zimbris on November 25, 2011, 02:06:34 PM
Si noua ne-ar place sa vedem unul din cainii lui John pe protectie!Ai sa-l vezi pe Hun! ;) HUN e caine de la John.
We would like to see one of John's dogs at work!
You will see Hun, he's an Ostschutz dog.
Post by: Johnsk9 on December 04, 2011, 04:06:22 PM
REGALHAUS QUEST'
Linebreeding - 5 generations
3 - 4............................................. in SG Gabi von der alten Wassermühle
4 - 5............................................. in V Saskia vom Haus Kaiser
4 - 5............................................. in SG Ellex vom Haus Iris
4 - 5............................................. in V Gunda vom Schieferschloß
3 - 4............................................. in V Alf vom Körnersee
2 - 3............................................. in V Don vom Haus Iris
4 - 5............................................. in V Rex vom Haus Iris
Post by: Man Stopper on December 04, 2011, 07:01:57 PM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/RegalhausQuest.jpg)
REGALHAUS QUEST'
Linebreeding - 5 generations
3 - 4............................................. in SG Gabi von der alten Wassermühle
4 - 5............................................. in V Saskia vom Haus Kaiser
4 - 5............................................. in SG Ellex vom Haus Iris
4 - 5............................................. in V Gunda vom Schieferschloß
3 - 4............................................. in V Alf vom Körnersee
2 - 3............................................. in V Don vom Haus Iris
4 - 5............................................. in V Rex vom Haus Iris
Think dog was used recently here in Australia, i prefer the look of his sibling Regalhaus Quell.
Quest does have a huge muzzle in this photo
Post by: zimbris on December 04, 2011, 10:37:33 PM
Post by: zimbris on December 06, 2011, 02:50:10 PM
cam "ondulat"...
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/304068_159668064125104_100002457330627_319506_1023478692_n.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on December 06, 2011, 02:55:20 PM
Post by: zimbris on December 06, 2011, 02:56:32 PM
Post by: fabius.m on December 06, 2011, 03:29:16 PM
Post by: zimbris on December 06, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
sta si pe o suprafata inclinatada..
in alta ordine de idei, o fiica de Tino Felsenschloss (vest pe linia materna)
(http://wdcontent04.working-dog.eu/Exanja-vom-Waldh%E4user-Schloss-----q-Pm9ve0AfFNPayahylvO3v9Eq_SHnPEuTW1XYQJIck,.jpg)
(http://mfst1.working-dog.eu/Exanja-vom-Waldh%E4user-Schloss-----uHdixoVPDofY2KyqskbQjllbMeKaC-ioeFBJTuiSXOQ,.jpg)
Post by: Anouk on December 07, 2011, 12:14:31 AM
(http://wdcontent04.working-dog.eu/Exanja-vom-Waldh%E4user-Schloss-----q-Pm9ve0AfFNPayahylvO3v9Eq_SHnPEuTW1XYQJIck,.jpg)hmmmm....se umple forumul asta de exponenti negri....pe toate topicurile tazi
(http://mfst1.working-dog.eu/Exanja-vom-Waldh%E4user-Schloss-----uHdixoVPDofY2KyqskbQjllbMeKaC-ioeFBJTuiSXOQ,.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on December 07, 2011, 12:17:03 AM
hmmmm....se umple forumul asta de exponenti negri....pe toate topicurile tazi:grin: mda, daca sunt sincer, cred ca faptul ca acum il am pe Hun m-a facut sa am un ochi in plus, pt astia negri :cheesy:
dar in cazul catelusei asteia, cele 2 poze mi-au prins ochiul respectiv
Post by: Anouk on December 07, 2011, 12:22:09 AM
:grin: mda, daca sunt sincer, cred ca faptul ca acum il am pe Hun m-a facut sa am un ochi in plus, pt astia negri :cheesy:Daca e sa fim obiectivi, negrul le confera o distinctie aparte...dar cand un animal este bine dezvoltat si armonios construit chiar nu conteaza culoarea...trebuie sa recunosti fara comentarii ca sunt frumosi ... parerea mea ;)
dar in cazul catelusei asteia, cele 2 poze mi-au prins ochiul respectiv
Post by: zimbris on December 07, 2011, 12:23:30 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 08, 2011, 02:46:09 AM
aproape 10 ani
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK9wUYlpZdw
Post by: zimbris on December 10, 2011, 01:47:17 AM
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/208099_1962748953196_1377013264_32284354_3891022_n.jpg)
Post by: Anouk on December 10, 2011, 02:16:12 AM
Zara Stasi, ia uitati cum arata catelusa asta la 5 luni :shocked:dupa mine...obeza
Post by: zimbris on December 10, 2011, 02:23:57 AM
dupa mine...obezahttp://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/957995/Zara-STASI
Post by: Anouk on December 10, 2011, 02:28:33 AM
oricum imi pare grasa
Post by: zimbris on December 10, 2011, 02:31:23 AM
Post by: Sorin on December 10, 2011, 04:11:23 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 12, 2011, 11:43:11 AM
(http://gsdonline.com/bszs/pictures/42701.jpg)
Post by: guest on December 12, 2011, 11:52:46 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 12, 2011, 11:58:56 AM
(http://gsdonline.com/bszs/pictures/108760.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on December 12, 2011, 12:02:39 PM
(http://gsdonline.com/bszs/pictures/143254.jpg)
Post by: guest on December 12, 2011, 12:03:36 PM
posibil sa ma insel, dar parca nici pe asta n-am postat-o, sunt cateva cu Don dar pe asta e prima oara cand o vad, cred..Pe asta eu am mai vazut-o, dar la rezolutie mai mica. Posibil sa o fi postat si tu pe aici.
Post by: Man Stopper on December 14, 2011, 07:09:02 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 14, 2011, 07:13:35 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 14, 2011, 07:14:58 AM
These last 2 pics look super, especially of the expression and the Bi-colour..!!Don is in one of them, you know that, right?
Post by: Man Stopper on December 14, 2011, 07:30:24 AM
Don is in one of them, you know that, right?Ye never seen that 1 before...
looks around 3 years of age in that pic.. Not too many Don bloodlines around these days, or the that type of strength and colour...!!
Post by: zimbris on December 14, 2011, 07:32:02 AM
Not too many Don bloodlines around these days, or the that type of strength and colour...!!True.. in fact the remaining Don dogs are not all that good looking at all, most of them sable if I think about it. John's Enno is probably the only Don dog I find really impressive.
Post by: Man Stopper on December 14, 2011, 07:41:47 AM
Bout to post some footage of DDR bred dog we had in Australia in the 80's//
Seriously hard kind of DDR dog..
Post by: zimbris on December 14, 2011, 08:17:59 AM
Bout to post some footage of DDR bred dog we had in Australia in the 80's//what?? Where?? :ihi:
Seriously hard kind of DDR dog..
Post by: Man Stopper on December 14, 2011, 04:17:41 PM
Post by: zimbris on December 15, 2011, 03:57:46 AM
How come you got all this footage man?? BTW, use a capture card and a VCR to record it properly.. or send them to Romania and I'll take care of it :lol: :cool:
That's a nice looking dog.. any details..bloodline etc etc?
banuiesc ca la asta te referi..?
Cum se face ca ai materialele astea vide tari?? Apropos, foloseste un card de captura si un videoplayer sa faci captura de calitate, sau trimite-mi mie casetele si ma ocup eu :cool:
Frumos caine, ceva detalii despre el..?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_u3dB-B4bE
Post by: zimbris on December 15, 2011, 03:59:58 AM
Ma amuza cum se misca handlerul, functie de miscarile atentatorului.. parca danseaza amandoi :grin:
Post by: guest on December 15, 2011, 04:02:08 AM
Funny how the handler "dances" around according to the agitator's movements :grin:That's really funny, indeed! :cheesy:
Ma amuza cum se misca handlerul, functie de miscarile atentatorului.. parca danseaza amandoi :grin:
Post by: zimbris on December 15, 2011, 04:06:10 AM
I see more DDR dogs are popping out on youtube lately..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnodzO6z5Yc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmrU5r1v6rk
Post by: zimbris on December 15, 2011, 04:15:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O22eKSV5c78
Post by: Man Stopper on December 15, 2011, 04:56:52 PM
I've been attending the training sessions of these old school bloodlines for over 20 years and have met more of the well known breeders and enthusiast's in this time. This is genuine footage in the early 80's and tell you the truth the dog was extremely hard with a super grip, take note of how big the guy is throwing the dog around.. And he was after the helper and not the sleeve.. Shit footage but quality K9 doing his stuff for 'REAL'....!
Post by: zimbris on December 17, 2011, 03:57:32 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 21, 2011, 02:40:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVaVNdGDg_c
Post by: zimbris on December 21, 2011, 03:17:13 AM
Imi place latratul lui.
Uitandu-ma la el, analizandu-l si pe Hun, incep sa inteleg mai bine cainii DDR (doar ca Hun e mai coleric cand e agitat).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB3G0-5QxFk
Post by: ares. on December 21, 2011, 04:04:59 AM
Post by: Sorin on December 21, 2011, 04:15:16 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 21, 2011, 04:20:04 AM
oricum, cainii masivi vor fi mai moi, in general...
Post by: fabius.m on December 21, 2011, 04:29:09 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 21, 2011, 04:41:07 AM
Post by: fabius.m on December 21, 2011, 04:54:54 AM
Post by: ares. on December 22, 2011, 09:31:47 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 22, 2011, 09:42:40 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 23, 2011, 01:58:30 PM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/lump.gif)
Post by: Schwarz on December 23, 2011, 02:03:30 PM
Catelul acesta (Sam) este si fff inalt!
Post by: zimbris on December 23, 2011, 02:04:34 PM
Bruno latra identic cu Sam :), doar cand e vb de joaca si aport latra smiorcait :laugh:sefu', m-ai pierdut cu totul.. care Sam..?
Catelul acesta (Sam) este si fff inalt!
Post by: Schwarz on December 23, 2011, 02:10:29 PM
Sam Schwedenschanzen, fiu de Uncas Poppitz. Pare a fi un caine marisor..
Imi place latratul lui.
Uitandu-ma la el, analizandu-l si pe Hun, incep sa inteleg mai bine cainii DDR (doar ca Hun e mai coleric cand e agitat).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB3G0-5QxFk
uriasul acesta
Post by: zimbris on December 23, 2011, 02:22:47 PM
Post by: Schwarz on December 23, 2011, 03:03:48 PM
Post by: guest on December 24, 2011, 02:38:41 AM
Post by: zimbris on December 24, 2011, 02:40:24 AM
(http://wdcontent03.working-dog.eu/Jutta-aus-der-Espenst%E4tte-----bcHhZVEMZw8P060BHFwY-1LhjTUxTduO5cl6ChdX2Mk,.gif)
Post by: zimbris on December 27, 2011, 10:56:15 PM
In the 2008 FCI bundes qualification the highest points were taken by a Tino daughter (west on mother line). Check out her video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYDOS0HAw10
Post by: Anouk on December 27, 2011, 11:18:15 PM
Post by: zimbris on December 27, 2011, 11:19:21 PM
Post by: zimbris on December 27, 2011, 11:28:52 PM
litter mate to Exanja
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1pOl4y_14A
Post by: Anouk on December 27, 2011, 11:37:24 PM
Foarte obedient cainele, se vede cum verifica permanent aprecierea dresorului.
Si ceva mai greoi si lent in miscari.
Post by: zimbris on December 27, 2011, 11:47:23 PM
Defect de famile saritul in sus la atentator ;).:grin:
Foarte obedient cainele, se vede cum verifica permanent aprecierea dresorului.foarte bine ca esti atenta la tot felul de detalii! Chiar daca pe unele le poti interpreta gresit, din lipsa de experienta, cel putin prin compararea lucrului facut de un caine cu cel facut de un altul, poti invata una alta si in timp sa ai un bagaj bunicel de info si de ce nu si ceva experienta, cel putin cea a unui fotbalist de fotoliu :grin: .. dar intelegi ce vreau sa zic.
Si ceva mai greoi si lent in miscari.
Post by: Anouk on December 27, 2011, 11:58:10 PM
Problema e ca nu am cunostinte de psihologie canina, care probabil mi-ar explica multe lucruri. Avand in vedere ca eu sunt doar proprietar de CG si fiind vorba de o fiinta, nu-mi permit sa ma bag unde nu-mi fierbe oala si las specialistii sa o faca.
Iubesc prea mult cainii si animalele in general ca sa-mi bat joc de ei datorita lipsurilor mele in materie.
Post by: zimbris on December 28, 2011, 12:01:00 AM
Post by: Anouk on December 28, 2011, 12:07:00 AM
Te informezi, esti atenta la detalii etc.. asa cum spui; asta e f bine!! Poti ajunge in puncte unde dezaprobi parerea unui "specialist" iar asta nu e neaparat ceva rau, pt ca si specialistii pot fi influentati intr-o anumita directie, functie de scopuri personale, ambitii etc, fara a fi vb neaparat de o gandire negativa ascunsa.Pana la proba contrarie, specialistilor le dau girul meu. In privinta parerilor mele crede-ma ca am si n-am nici jena sa le spun raspicat.
Important e ca toata lumea sa fie multumita. Doar cu asa un spirit putem merge mai departe si sa avem progrese; daca nu ne ajutam intre noi...grele vremuri o sa traim; deja se vede foarte clar unde duce individualismul si lipsa de intelegere intre semeni.
Si da...o spun cu amaraciune...mi-e sila de lumea asta noua.
Post by: zimbris on December 28, 2011, 12:19:02 AM
anunta-ma si pe mine cand se intampla asta..
Important e ca toata lumea sa fie multumita.
Post by: Anouk on December 28, 2011, 12:24:20 AM
anunta-ma si pe mine cand se intampla asta..Ma lasi sa visez la o lume ideala? :lol:
Post by: zimbris on December 28, 2011, 12:31:56 AM
Post by: zimbris on January 08, 2012, 03:27:18 AM
http://s119.photobucket.com/albums/o154/altostland/?action=view¤t=Eik.mp4
Post by: prototype on January 08, 2012, 07:17:30 AM
Post by: guest on January 08, 2012, 07:46:54 AM
Nu-mi apare niciun video.Nici mie.
Post by: Man Stopper on January 08, 2012, 09:30:28 PM
Post by: zimbris on January 08, 2012, 10:28:04 PM
Nu-mi apare niciun video.
Nici mie.http://vimeo.com/34716685
Post by: guest on January 13, 2012, 11:38:45 AM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mKlRsLDnJn4/Tw8oAAUcgtI/AAAAAAAAAEA/C45PKqKNV1o/s800/DDR%252520%2525281%252529.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MKVPs07HwME/Tw8n_d2shuI/AAAAAAAAAD0/B7v8N7mupPE/s800/DDR%252520%2525282%252529.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jGeCUIZmhcg/Tw8n_y5ajUI/AAAAAAAAAD8/ldnwCRc6aRQ/s912/DDR%252520%2525285%252529.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PNXNR0I-X4o/Tw8n_dKF8NI/AAAAAAAAAD4/5UTST-eky14/s912/DDR%252520%2525284%252529.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on January 13, 2012, 12:03:53 PM
Post by: guest on January 13, 2012, 12:09:15 PM
Post by: zimbris on January 13, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
Post by: guest on January 13, 2012, 02:13:42 PM
Un' sa le mut? :cheesy:
Post by: Man Stopper on January 13, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
Same hairstyles and Adidas type training suit jacket..
Have followed Germans since i was a kid, another reason i have interest in DDR working dogs i guess...!!
Post by: zimbris on January 13, 2012, 10:58:41 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on January 13, 2012, 11:24:47 PM
any connection to Germany family wise..? or maybe you're a "pure blood" :cool:Have relatives near Hannover but no Germanic blood in me, but i do also like the German automobiles...!
Post by: zimbris on January 13, 2012, 11:32:40 PM
but i do also like the German automobiles...!oh yes, in Romania I think most of us love the German cars!
Post by: zimbris on January 14, 2012, 12:12:17 AM
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217212_1962786634138_1377013264_32284379_5620286_n.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on January 17, 2012, 06:00:24 PM
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401485_3083412129075_1377013264_33201142_292536880_n.jpg)
Post by: Sorin on January 18, 2012, 01:16:12 AM
Post by: zimbris on January 18, 2012, 02:05:11 AM
Post by: guest on January 18, 2012, 04:42:05 AM
da, sper sa-l vizitez si pe viu.. om vedea..Cred ca te referi la Don...nu la cainele postat de huby... :lol:
Post by: Bogdan on January 18, 2012, 05:39:06 AM
Cred ca te referi la Don...nu la cainele postat de huby... :lol:Dan poate sa calatoreasca in timp daca vrea! :devil:
Post by: zimbris on January 18, 2012, 05:46:00 AM
Post by: zimbris on January 18, 2012, 05:46:25 AM
un caine care mie imi place foarte multiti place dar n-are nici o treaba cu topicul! :)
Post by: guest on January 18, 2012, 05:50:33 AM
iti place dar n-are nici o treaba cu topicul! :)Tocmai ma pregateam sa intreb ce legatura are cu cainii DDR...
L-am mutat aici (http://canisa-zimbris.com/forum/index.php?topic=27.msg26619#new).
Post by: zimbris on January 18, 2012, 12:56:35 PM
fiu de Held
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383306_367233439958638_100000159561446_1767168_1259535943_n.jpg)
Cäsar v. Rangental
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387885_366645296684119_100000159561446_1764984_358540752_n.jpg)
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403102_365736850108297_100000159561446_1761221_858885681_n.jpg)
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384810_365719663443349_100000159561446_1761196_486112345_n.jpg)
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/381389_365718646776784_100000159561446_1761194_2128281893_n.jpg)
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/397170_365005253514790_100000159561446_1758774_1048419021_n.jpg)
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/394671_364388173576498_100000159561446_1757618_1147686169_n.jpg)
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405383_364079746940674_100000159561446_1757143_633262167_n.jpg)
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/374635_363703540311628_100000159561446_1756004_1638795708_n.jpg)
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/397860_363695793645736_100000159561446_1755986_673368769_n.jpg)
Post by: guest on January 18, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
Post by: Sorin on January 18, 2012, 12:58:33 PM
Post by: zimbris on January 18, 2012, 01:13:49 PM
Penultima si antepenultima le-am postat si eu.e ok, o sa fie double whammy ;)
Post by: guest on January 18, 2012, 01:16:00 PM
e ok, o sa fie double whammy ;):)
Post by: Man Stopper on January 18, 2012, 10:22:48 PM
de la John..
fiu de Held
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383306_367233439958638_100000159561446_1767168_1259535943_n.jpg)
Cäsar v. Rangental
This dog has a striking resemblance to Held Ritterberg, expression and muzzle shape from 3/4 side profile.. :rockon:
Post by: zimbris on January 18, 2012, 11:38:14 PM
Post by: zimbris on January 27, 2012, 12:33:54 AM
at first I thought it was Venus but then I noted it's actually a young male..
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405555_374536152561700_100000159561446_1789558_1235382746_n.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on January 28, 2012, 10:19:44 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/5466.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on January 28, 2012, 10:25:21 AM
John who is this pup?? I love the looks :shocked:Yvon z P.S son
at first I thought it was Venus but then I noted it's actually a young male..
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405555_374536152561700_100000159561446_1789558_1235382746_n.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on January 28, 2012, 10:30:46 AM
Yvon z P.S sonhe looks so much like Venus, I was almost sure is one of her sons..
Post by: guest on January 28, 2012, 11:58:10 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/123549.jpg)
Post by: hora on January 31, 2012, 04:15:36 AM
Post by: bobo70 on January 31, 2012, 05:15:19 AM
O intrebare.Liniile DDR sunt altceva decat cele de lucru?
Din cate stiu eu in liniile DDR nu a apucat nimeni sa faca o desprindere a doua linii. Liniile DDR cuprind doar Ciobanesc German si Ciobanesc German. Si acolo au fost caini mai frumosi si caini mai uratei, caini cu un temperament mai bun si caini cu un temperament mai putin bun, dar nu erau diferentiati in doua linii.
Daca gresesc, ma vor corecta cei cu mai multa experienta in domeniu asta.
Post by: zimbris on January 31, 2012, 09:18:14 AM
O intrebare.Liniile DDR sunt altceva decat cele de lucru?In ultimii ani pana sa se darame Zidul, unii crescatori DDR au luat si ei directia "aspect" mai in serios pt ca erau disperati dupa trai mai bun iar in Vest asta se vindea bine (caini frumosi). Gerlinde Schultze, o prietena de-a lui John LaTorre, a fost printre putinii crescatori care au refuzat sa imbratiseze criteriile de crestere din Vest. Dar si ea e limitata in privinta cresterii pt ca ceea ce se mai poate numi cu adevarat sange DDR e foarte rar. Unele canise cu reputatie din fosta RDG acum sunt 100% axate pe caini de show cu descendenta vestica si au mai bagat ceva din propriul sange Estic pe ici pe colo. Dar in principiu e cum a spus si Bobo, ce insemna show in RDG nu era aceeasi chestie cu showul din Vest. Un caine pe care-l poti considera ca fiind SI de show in DDR a fost Neumann's Jim. Dar uita-te pe net la poze cu el si e si un clip de la siegerul DDR din 89 chiar inainte de daramarea Zidului si, ai sa vezi ca ceea ce insemna "show" era chiar frumos, nu niste super ultra mega angulati. Zorro Laager Wall, caine de referinta din randurile DDR, a fost un caine care in showurile moderne ar fi depunctat la greu cred, dar care in timpurile si evenimentele DDR nu a fost desconsiderat deloc.
Post by: zimbris on January 31, 2012, 09:32:50 AM
uite-l pe Jim, V10 in siegerul DDR in 89
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1710924400606508008
Post by: hora on January 31, 2012, 12:10:33 PM
Post by: guest on January 31, 2012, 01:18:23 PM
(http://www.royalair.org/nuenmannsjim.jpg)
Post by: guest on January 31, 2012, 01:23:56 PM
(http://wdcontent11.working-dog.eu/Zorro-vom-Laager-Wall-----ww6iWOesrbfBNEnnDrODxNWIq52PNT1BCahjKFweLS8,.gif)
Post by: zimbris on January 31, 2012, 01:32:59 PM
Apropos de Neumann's Jim, am gasit aceasta poza, nu-mi amintesc daca a mai fost postata pe aici.
(http://www.royalair.org/nuenmannsjim.jpg)
Superb, lui John o sa-i placa mult!
Post by: Man Stopper on January 31, 2012, 11:15:24 PM
Superb, lui John o sa-i placa mult!And so do i...!
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2012, 03:19:59 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2012, 10:42:28 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 02, 2012, 07:51:27 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/424159_379338472081468_100000159561446_1804872_1478849779_n.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 02, 2012, 07:54:47 AM
DDR :wall: ::omg::Wow, ce exemplare impresionante! Frumosi amandoi! :love:
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/424159_379338472081468_100000159561446_1804872_1478849779_n.jpg)
Imi place la nebunie expresia pe care o au, in parte datorata mastii aproape inexistente.
Post by: ares. on February 02, 2012, 08:01:18 AM
Post by: prototype on February 02, 2012, 08:04:06 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on February 02, 2012, 11:28:51 PM
DDR :wall: ::omg::
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/424159_379338472081468_100000159561446_1804872_1478849779_n.jpg)
Solid DDR all the way...!!!
Post by: zimbris on February 02, 2012, 11:30:56 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on February 03, 2012, 12:11:34 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 03, 2012, 01:03:51 AM
Post by: guest on February 03, 2012, 01:57:23 AM
(http://mfst2.working-dog.eu/Yoker-von-der-Old-Lady-----mlywW5G8GLevpkzLq_qHGJYVY0Vc0nPTX4aclHl-k9Q,.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 03, 2012, 01:57:50 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on February 03, 2012, 05:35:52 PM
:wall:
(http://mfst2.working-dog.eu/Yoker-von-der-Old-Lady-----mlywW5G8GLevpkzLq_qHGJYVY0Vc0nPTX4aclHl-k9Q,.jpg)
Thats awesome in strength and expression, especially with the dark 'black n tan', which i think appeals to Dani the most.
The drooping lips gives the extra look of size to go with the head and muzzle..
Post by: zimbris on February 04, 2012, 12:58:55 AM
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 05:05:36 AM
(http://mfst1.working-dog.eu/Don-vom-Rolandsteich-----uHdixoVPDof_h3g_Frv5aiGkLJqQUR2jAB5rT4H237I,.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 05:31:00 AM
(http://www.schaeferhunden.eu/winsis_x/pics/ddr/72601.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 05:48:08 AM
(http://gsdonline.com/bszs/pictures/124053.jpg)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/66310.jpg)
Post by: bobo70 on February 05, 2012, 06:31:24 AM
Arata foarte bine la mersul alaturi si la intoarceri un caine ceva mai scurt fata de unul mai mult alungit.
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2012, 06:53:47 AM
Barry vom Schwarzen Fließ
(http://www.schaeferhunden.eu/winsis_x/pics/ddr/72601.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 06:56:59 AM
asta puteai sa-l postezi si la "cg de lucru" si la "aspectul fizic" etc.. nimerea bine ca e prea aratos:grin:
Las' ca e bine si aici...nu-i nevoie sa se tot repete aceleasi poze peste tot.
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2012, 07:02:41 AM
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 07:05:30 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/18832.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 07:06:51 AM
(http://www.working-gsd.narod.ru/photoalbum/benc.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 07:40:43 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/15409.jpg)
Post by: fabius.m on February 05, 2012, 09:10:54 AM
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 09:20:00 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/533390.jpg)
Post by: fabius.m on February 05, 2012, 10:26:07 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2012, 10:31:18 AM
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 11:37:59 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/724899.jpg)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/710346.jpg)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/710357.jpg)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/710359.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 11:45:14 AM
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 11:46:11 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/22185.jpg)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/109159.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 12:15:17 PM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/47643.jpg)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/477448.jpg)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/176042.jpg)
Mare pacat ca nu e poza intreaga!
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/496362.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2012, 12:22:10 PM
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 12:23:14 PM
vezi, ca o parte bunicica din astea au mai fost postateEh, se mai intampla. Nu le pot retine nici eu chiar pe toate care s-au pus...cu toata memoria mea fotografica. :grin:
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2012, 12:26:04 PM
Post by: guest on February 05, 2012, 01:57:32 PM
Post by: zimbris on February 05, 2012, 10:18:09 PM
Post by: hora on February 06, 2012, 07:58:42 AM
Post by: prototype on February 06, 2012, 08:27:29 AM
Post by: guest on February 06, 2012, 08:32:34 AM
Nu se apuca nimeni de crescut linii DDR?:jumpoff:
Continua sa mai studiezi/citesti putin pe aici...
Post by: hora on February 06, 2012, 09:29:34 AM
Cred ca am inceput sa ma lamuresc. Inclin din ce in ce mai mult spre o femela neagra, de lucru sau DDR. Daca nu va avea valoarea chinologica ceruta pentru reproductie atunci o voi steriliza ca sa stau linistit. Pentru paza si plimbari prin padure va fi perfecta, oricum.
Post by: Sorin on February 06, 2012, 09:30:45 AM
. Un nume de canisa/crescator ar fi fost suficient, chiar daca acest nume ar fi trebuit sa sara in ochi...Exact despre Dani- ("zimbris") este vorba, el creste linii ddr. ;)
Post by: guest on February 06, 2012, 09:31:18 AM
Post by: hora on February 06, 2012, 09:33:58 AM
Post by: Sorin on February 06, 2012, 09:34:45 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 06, 2012, 10:10:33 AM
6646/44 SG+ OFA Good
Ingo was one of Don Rolandsteich's first sons to come to the States
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/ingome_sm.gif)
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/ingoaaron_sm.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 06, 2012, 11:37:41 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 06, 2012, 01:31:08 PM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/johnsk9/BrixKids.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 06, 2012, 01:33:52 PM
Nice looking dog.
Post by: guest on February 06, 2012, 01:37:04 PM
Where have I seen this before.. maybe in your FB group..These photos are already here in this topic somewhere. :)
Nice looking dog.
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 06, 2012, 01:46:38 PM
These photos are already here in this topic somewhere. :)
Then you can remove them
Post by: guest on February 06, 2012, 01:49:16 PM
Then you can remove themOh no, there's no problem at all if they repeat from time to time.
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 06, 2012, 02:01:21 PM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/johnsk9/dwayn1.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 06, 2012, 02:03:55 PM
Post by: zimbris on February 06, 2012, 02:07:44 PM
In the other one he kind of looks like a puppy :grin:
I see vd Old Lady had many black n tans
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/471167.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 06, 2012, 02:11:42 PM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/472313.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on February 06, 2012, 11:46:46 PM
Reply #808 on page 54 which Tara posted 4 photo's, i think the last pic would be that of Quai vom Baruther Land.
This dog look's like his done the all night duty of guarding..!
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/472313.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 06, 2012, 11:49:21 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on February 06, 2012, 11:58:03 PM
Post by: zimbris on February 07, 2012, 12:11:25 AM
Ya Gute Nacht..:grin:
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 07, 2012, 10:11:40 AM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/betty.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 07, 2012, 10:12:07 AM
Post by: guest on February 07, 2012, 10:13:20 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 07, 2012, 10:14:48 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 07, 2012, 10:22:45 AM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Bella-vom-Rosenzweig-----mlywW5G8GLdkuIvy0F9YY-K3kiRefnpyEaM8pQv6LO0.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 07, 2012, 10:30:54 AM
Post by: dux on February 07, 2012, 11:52:25 AM
Bodo Full sister Bettybeton cateaua.ce n-as da sa am un pui din ea.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/betty.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 07, 2012, 01:55:29 PM
Young Dwayn
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/DwaynOldLady.jpg)
10- years old
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/dwayn10.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 07, 2012, 02:46:31 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 07, 2012, 02:53:30 PM
Post by: zimbris on February 07, 2012, 02:58:04 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 07, 2012, 03:05:46 PM
Post by: zimbris on February 07, 2012, 03:08:16 PM
on PDB it's mentioned as "polizei Virginia"
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 07, 2012, 03:15:12 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 07, 2012, 03:18:46 PM
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5 - 4............................................. in V Erko vom Turmpark
5 - 4............................................. in V Dixi vom Rhodeberg
4 - 3............................................. in V Don vom Rolandsteich
Post by: zimbris on February 07, 2012, 03:21:13 PM
I do not care for the Don Iris myself but his line breeding is goodtrue
Post by: zimbris on February 07, 2012, 03:22:41 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on February 07, 2012, 03:27:59 PM
Dwayn was bred to back yard trash dogs for the most part
Post by: zimbris on February 07, 2012, 03:38:12 PM
Dwayn was bred to back yard trash dogs for the most partthat's just so wrong.. it's like selling gold to farmers who keep it with the potatoes
Post by: Man Stopper on February 08, 2012, 06:33:37 PM
Bodo sister Bella
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Bella-vom-Rosenzweig-----mlywW5G8GLdkuIvy0F9YY-K3kiRefnpyEaM8pQv6LO0.jpg)
Bella came into Australia impregnated by Stormfront's Brawnson in year 2000.
Produced strong looking females such as Von Forell Amber, Aria and Abra; they produce nice thick head and bone.
Post by: zimbris on March 04, 2012, 10:27:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqAEtdT86OA
Post by: guest on March 04, 2012, 10:29:53 AM
Post by: Sorin on March 04, 2012, 10:49:14 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on March 04, 2012, 09:12:51 PM
Very well put together Thara.. :rockon: ;)
Post by: guest on March 04, 2012, 11:35:37 PM
Very well put together Thara.. :rockon: ;)Thanks. :)
Post by: Sorin on March 08, 2012, 01:10:59 PM
(http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z461/sorinlupu1/Old%20School/6008_1138548678086_1658486127_355171_6498854_n.jpg)
(http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z461/sorinlupu1/Old%20School/216685_1022307972141_1658486127_86401_1848_n.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on March 08, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
Post by: Sorin on March 09, 2012, 01:12:04 AM
frumos intr-adevar!E pe linia lui Don v Rolansteich
Post by: Santos on March 09, 2012, 08:01:26 AM
Post by: Anouk on March 09, 2012, 09:45:27 AM
Ce frumusete de caine!
(http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z461/sorinlupu1/Old%20School/6008_1138548678086_1658486127_355171_6498854_n.jpg)
(http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z461/sorinlupu1/Old%20School/216685_1022307972141_1658486127_86401_1848_n.jpg)
Nimic mai mult decat superb...are si atitudinea aia de boss :cheesy:
Post by: zimbris on March 09, 2012, 09:54:40 AM
Post by: zimbris on March 09, 2012, 09:57:40 AM
http://www.vomdomburgerland.nl/video_2/Video%203_01.wmv
Post by: Sorin on March 09, 2012, 09:59:54 AM
Post by: prototype on March 09, 2012, 10:06:57 AM
Post by: zimbris on March 09, 2012, 10:08:10 AM
Legat de aspect, chiar e ciudat cum arata. Nu-mi place in mod special capul care e disporportionat cu coprul.despre care caine e vorba?
Post by: prototype on March 09, 2012, 10:09:20 AM
Post by: zimbris on March 09, 2012, 10:18:07 AM
Post by: prototype on March 09, 2012, 10:21:17 AM
Post by: zimbris on March 09, 2012, 10:25:54 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 05, 2012, 10:26:36 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/1334059.jpg)
Post by: guest on April 05, 2012, 10:29:31 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 10, 2012, 11:05:51 PM
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399009_427851217231838_100000208912982_1877618_1594581129_n.jpg)
Post by: guest on April 10, 2012, 11:11:24 PM
Post by: zimbris on April 12, 2012, 11:34:35 PM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/64860.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/file-3.jpg)
Post by: guest on April 12, 2012, 11:35:51 PM
Post by: fabius.m on April 12, 2012, 11:46:12 PM
Post by: zimbris on April 12, 2012, 11:49:21 PM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/file-4.gif)
Post by: fabius.m on April 12, 2012, 11:56:54 PM
Post by: zimbris on April 13, 2012, 02:10:41 AM
pe la cat v-ati trezit? :grin:..why? :rolleyes:
Post by: fabius.m on April 13, 2012, 06:20:55 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 13, 2012, 10:09:02 PM
pai tu si Thara pe la 9 deja postati poze cu caini :lol::grin: eu de regula ma trezesc pe la 6 si ceva.. la 7 sunt la sala iar pe la 9 incepe ziua "normala" :lol:
Post by: guest on April 13, 2012, 10:13:49 PM
Post by: zimbris on April 15, 2012, 05:36:56 AM
(http://mfst1.working-dog.eu/Quanto-vom-Haus-Lauch-----uHdixoVPDod5CKgGaMej7dqgtOokLSf1izzF-zkbuZE,.jpg)
(http://mfst1.working-dog.eu/Quanto-vom-Haus-Lauch-----uHdixoVPDoeoK4_XjiqXl8a-8RVFD-PtmeYrOnbMCA0,.jpg)
(http://wdcontent12.working-dog.eu/Quanto-vom-Haus-Lauch-----t9A1WiKRrGV-z6fKyBzVMgWQL-VhIZavOtxVWOd6_qs,.jpg)
Post by: fabius.m on April 15, 2012, 05:49:27 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 15, 2012, 06:32:17 AM
si asta imi place, asta e fizicul care il prefer la un ciobanesc germanda, cam asa ceva as vrea si eu
Post by: Man Stopper on April 15, 2012, 08:59:32 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 15, 2012, 02:27:34 PM
Keep those pics coming in, Quanto looks realy good in the second pic..I think I like the 3rd one most
Post by: zimbris on April 27, 2012, 01:12:09 AM
(http://wdcontent10.working-dog.eu/Zorro-vom-Laager-Wall-----VQNwgyzbgtMGmU8dM_rzUfWCj3Sg34VfLXNVFULYXKM,.gif)
Post by: prototype on April 27, 2012, 02:31:45 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 27, 2012, 02:37:54 AM
Parca a mai fost postata.oops.. eu acum cred ca o vad pt prima oara, dar poate ma insel.. stai ca vine Thara si le vede imediat :grin:
Post by: prototype on April 27, 2012, 02:55:33 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 27, 2012, 02:59:30 AM
Post by: prototype on April 27, 2012, 03:02:51 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 27, 2012, 03:15:05 AM
Da. :grin::cool:
Post by: guest on April 27, 2012, 03:27:08 AM
oops.. eu acum cred ca o vad pt prima oara, dar poate ma insel.. stai ca vine Thara si le vede imediat :grin:Chiar eu am postat-o pe undeva. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: zimbris on April 27, 2012, 03:31:25 AM
Chiar eu am postat-o pe undeva. :lol: :lol: :lol::grin:
Post by: guest on April 27, 2012, 03:31:49 AM
http://canisa-zimbris.com/forum/index.php?topic=110.msg28366#msg28366
Post by: prototype on April 27, 2012, 03:37:36 AM
Post by: Santos on April 27, 2012, 07:42:37 AM
Post by: zimbris on April 28, 2012, 10:54:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXPvpDfWQdk
Lord G
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1HXj5FFYC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I523daet3cA
Post by: zimbris on May 02, 2012, 11:39:42 AM
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/522668_367499093296103_100001080476079_1006649_1927075489_n.jpg)
Post by: HANS on May 02, 2012, 01:19:25 PM
Post by: guest on May 02, 2012, 03:04:54 PM
Post by: fabius.m on May 02, 2012, 03:06:56 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on May 03, 2012, 12:13:23 AM
Looks like from Clausberg Kennels..
Post by: zimbris on May 03, 2012, 09:42:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOeLvuNHa08
Post by: zimbris on May 03, 2012, 09:51:46 AM
Cäsar v. Rangental
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/caesarszs3.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/caesarszs3.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/caesarszs4.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on May 03, 2012, 01:31:13 PM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on May 04, 2012, 10:15:16 AM
Post by: zimbris on May 04, 2012, 10:21:03 AM
odorologia judiciara intr-un stadiu mai incipient :grin:ti-ar fi placut sa fii si tu acolo in cadru, cred ;)
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on May 04, 2012, 10:43:27 AM
ti-ar fi placut sa fii si tu acolo in cadru, cred ;)normaaaallll :grin:
Post by: zimbris on May 04, 2012, 11:19:32 AM
Post by: ben on May 19, 2012, 02:13:07 AM
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/477407_3675505051028_1377013264_33457539_934751106_o.jpg)
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/469124_3675457889849_1377013264_33457526_1673930291_o.jpg)
6 luni
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/461633_3949161812276_1377013264_33558450_929975145_o.jpg)
Post by: guest on May 19, 2012, 03:29:49 AM
Post by: fabius.m on May 19, 2012, 03:51:38 AM
Post by: ben on May 24, 2012, 09:38:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD4z8PfodxQ
Post by: Man Stopper on May 25, 2012, 06:46:16 PM
That Stasi puppy is super to say the least he's a monster in strength..The last photo looks like a Wolf..
Post by: ben on May 25, 2012, 10:40:13 PM
That some of the training that should be done more often, i guess not enough of these kind of dogs around maybe..Well in the case of Konan I would say his attitude is still a bit "young". Yeah, if I had a suit around I would work both Hun and Briska on it, that's for sure.
I am glad too, to see DDR dog owners stepping things up a little bit with videos like this, now is as good a time as ever! More DDR dogs out there are presented to be "good" just because of the big names in their blood and that concerns me. Been a while now having Hun and I can see with my own eyes some of the things John told me during the last years, about the typical DDR dog. Although not as crazy in drive (but still has it, just like Venus) he has plenty determination, I particularly saw that during the swimming days, I saw Hun growing from "oops, what's this" to "yeah, I want to do this" to the point where I would walk away to get home and he would stay behind turning back towards the say from time to time. Also Briska has a very independent nature. These are things I love to spot out as I watch them mature.
At first I thought they are not as "intense" as a west dog in their civil reaction but then I realized the dogs I called "intense" are more often than not choleric and hey.. big difference between the too when we look at things contextually.
Well I hope we will see more and more working videos of DDR dogs, otherwise they end up not being present online but just in static still images.. exactly like show dogs. Let's hope we'll see more DDR dogs in action, I really hope DDR breeders and owners keep the work up and that of course means not breeding for money but for quality, to start with!
Pai, in cazul lui Konan as spune ca reactia lui e totusi inca tanara.. Da, daca as avea si eu costum la indemana, i-as munci si eu pe Hun si Briska, fara discutie. Ma bucur si eu sa vad detinatori de caini DDR ca apasa putin pedala postand clipuri cu caini la lucru, acum e timpul mai mult ca oricand. Multi caini DDR sunt prezentati ca fiind caini buni doar datorita cainilor din spate (pedigree) si asta e ingrijorator. Au trecut cateva luni de cand il am pe Hun si am putut vedea cu ochii mei unele din lucrurile pe care John mi le-a spus de-alungul anilor, despre cainii DDR. Desi nu atat de incarcat cu drive ca un caine vestic (dar are destul, de la Venus) am vazut multa determinare in timpul zilelor la mare. A trecut rapid de la "hopa, ce e asta" la "da, vreau sa fac asta" pana la punctul in care eu plecam spre casa iar el ramanea in urma si din cand in cand mergand inapoi spre mare. Briska de asemenea are o fire foarte independenta. Astea sunt cateva din lucrurile pe care le-am notat monitorizand dezvoltarea lor.
Initial ma gandeam ca nu sunt la fel de intensi precum cainii vestici dar ulterior am tras concluzia ca, analizand lucrurile corect contextual, de multe ori intensitatea aia in lucrul de protectie se concretizeaza intr-un caine coleric si intre a fi coleric si a avea instinct de lupta e diferenta.
Sper sa mai vad clipuri cu caini DDR la lucru, fie ei si mai slabuti, altfel vor ajunge sa fie prezenti online doar in imagini statice.. excat precum cainii de show. Sa speram ca vom vedea ceva mai mult de-atat si crescatorii sa se gandeasca la calitatea sa devina prioritara fatza de bani.
Post by: ben on May 25, 2012, 10:41:52 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on May 29, 2012, 12:48:04 AM
Don Rolandsteich genetics sure does help in the mass factor..
Post by: ben on May 29, 2012, 01:13:21 AM
Don Rolandsteich genetics sure does help in the mass factor..It's interesting to note some say Don only produce big head and nice pigment but many good dogs out there are Don dogs.
Post by: ben on May 30, 2012, 05:15:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hhaqDbgjk4
Post by: ben on May 31, 2012, 03:33:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMtoIblrOEM
Post by: ben on May 31, 2012, 03:45:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMZLKpvoCRI
Post by: guest on May 31, 2012, 08:54:44 AM
...dintr-un material din Berlinul dinainte de 89:coool:
Post by: Man Stopper on June 01, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
Post by: ben on June 01, 2012, 01:01:32 AM
The last clip the dog looks very tall, and has that Lord style markings.I took it out from a Berlin material
Post by: ben on June 01, 2012, 01:07:52 AM
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg341/scaled.php?server=341&filename=dsc0104g.jpg&res=landing)
Post by: Man Stopper on June 01, 2012, 01:35:20 AM
I took it out from a Berlin materialYe its amazing how its been 2 decades...
The Bi colour looks powerful in the photo below, like a Rottie his head looks..
Post by: prototype on June 01, 2012, 08:51:02 AM
(http://wdcontent08.working-dog.eu/Gay-vom-Poppitz-----80QvbUkvfV0aie_ra4r7xUwaQ0GFjlDOQ7bxdWljI7M,.gif)
Post by: guest on June 01, 2012, 09:11:09 AM
Imi place poza asta de pe wd cu el.:yes: :yes: :yes:
Post by: fabius.m on June 01, 2012, 09:17:33 AM
Post by: guest on July 09, 2012, 12:35:51 PM
(http://vombanachk9.homestead.com/Aron_Swim.jpg)
(http://vombanachk9.homestead.com/Aron_a_Frame_2.jpg)
(http://vombanachk9.homestead.com/Aron_bee_hunting.jpg)
Post by: prototype on July 09, 2012, 12:48:03 PM
Post by: guest on July 09, 2012, 12:49:27 PM
Post by: prototype on July 09, 2012, 01:05:29 PM
Post by: ben on July 09, 2012, 02:38:52 PM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Davidnebelholz3.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 10, 2012, 03:43:14 AM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/DavidNebelholz.gif)
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/DVN11yrs.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 10, 2012, 03:44:35 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 10, 2012, 03:46:53 AM
I was just checking out other pictures of him last night, other than the one on PDB. Good looking dog.Sammy is line bred David
Post by: ben on July 10, 2012, 03:48:12 AM
Sammy is line bred Davidohh.. right, I knew David was somewhere in one of your dogs. It's probably the name that got stuck with me.
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 10, 2012, 03:51:06 AM
ohh.. right, I knew David was somewhere in one of your dogs. It's probably the name that got stuck with me.Yes David was a good dog but he was bred with mixed lines all the time. If you read about the offspring on the PDB these are all the mixed pups most with west and american show lines.
Post by: ben on July 10, 2012, 03:54:59 AM
Yes David was a good dog but he was bred with mixed lines all the time. If you read about the offspring on the PDB these are all the mixed pups most with west and american show lines.Well correct me if I'm wrong but that's what they did with most DDR dogs in the States. Particularly when dogs ended up in the hands of breeders who bred for color and "nice head".
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 10, 2012, 04:05:32 AM
Well correct me if I'm wrong but that's what they did with most DDR dogs in the States. Particularly when dogs ended up in the hands of breeders who bred for color and "nice head".Yes they all wanted to improve the dogs they had.Most people any where did this and what they never thought of was
what happens when we run out of these dogs to give heavy bone bigger heads and better pigment. This is still not given much thought today
Post by: ben on July 10, 2012, 04:14:26 AM
Yes they all wanted to improve the dogs they had.Most people any where did this and what they never thought of wasTo improve the dogs as far as what? Hehe.. while I think about it, you still get some heavy bone and pigment but the temperament is as good as that os any show dog. That's just my view.. Why is it that so many now look just for the outside of the dog but ignore the inside (brains).....
what happens when we run out of these dogs to give heavy bone bigger heads and better pigment. This is still not given much thought today
Post by: ben on July 10, 2012, 06:52:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmx4SrZTqNw
Post by: prototype on July 10, 2012, 07:09:41 AM
Post by: ben on July 10, 2012, 07:45:50 AM
Nu-mi place, nu da drumul la comanda imediat, spre final. :laugh::lol:
Post by: ben on July 10, 2012, 10:31:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3QSyIyStlk
Post by: prototype on July 11, 2012, 12:19:25 AM
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 03:26:51 AM
Masiv Zorro, in poze pare ceva mai atletic.A fost cu siguranta un caine tare, el in Siegerul DDRist nu se clasa sus dar a fost preferat ca reproducator si sunt convins ca nu degeaba. Imi place ca, desi a fost considerat un caine nebun de unii (i se inroseau ochii cand era agresiv etc) in clip se poate observa atasamentul de fatuca aia din cadru, as spune. Acuma nu ca am eu pata pusa pe cainii DDR, dar chiar imi place ce vad - un caine relativ masiv, calm, atasat de stapan si suspicios fatza de strain (cameraman in cazul de fatza).. mai pe scurt, descrierea unui caine tipic DDR. Cei care erau axati pe look nu au montat cu precadere cu el pe motiv ca nu avea masca pronuntata (element intalnit in linia respectiva) si ca urmare tipicitate sau expresivitate scazuta dar, repet, daca cei interesati mai mult in temperament au montat mult cu el, au avut motive sa o faca. :cool:
He was a great dog for sure, he didn't score high in the DDR sieger but still was preferred by many for breeding and that must have been for good reasons. I like that although considered to have been crazy by some (his eyes turning red when agitated and such) in the clip you can see how attached he is to that girl. Now, I know that I love the DDR type but I actually like what I see - a pretty decent sized dog, attached to its owner and suspicious towards the stranger (camera guy).. in short, the typical DDR dog. Those looking to breed for looks may have not wanted him due to the lack of the mask (which is an element in the blood) and so less type or expression but what I wanted to underline was, if those interested in temperament bred to him, they must have had good reasons to.
Post by: prototype on July 11, 2012, 03:50:44 AM
Astia care au montat doar dupa aspect, au facut CG-ul dintru inceput - care era cam uratel, sa recunoastem - un caine frumos, mai frumos, si mai frumos, pana l-au adus la asta de azi, care numai frumos nu e.
Yes, I know there have been dialogs on Zorro's balance. The dog looks better in pictures than in this video and also you can see he lacks the mask which you don't always spot out in pictures. Still, that shouldn't stop one from breeding to the dog.
Those who bred for looks mainly, turned the original dog - who was not that good looking if we're honest - into a better looking dog, to the point where the dog now looks the way it does - not that good looking at all.
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 04:21:12 AM
(Am sa traduc, in caz ca vrea si John sa ia parte la dialog)
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Post by: guest on July 11, 2012, 04:23:22 AM
Post by: prototype on July 11, 2012, 04:26:37 AM
Pt mine, un caine cu aspectul celui din poza de jos (cel cu urechile erecte) este mai mult decat suficient de "frumos". Uita-te cata expresivitate!
Este intr-adevar frumos cainele ala. E una dintre vedetele acestui topic. :grin:
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 04:28:25 AM
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 04:33:33 AM
I do not think this is Zorro in this videoThe guy in the original video calls the dog by the name "Zorro"... and the video was titled Zorro v Laager Wall Germany 19... something..
hehe.. ce tare e sa-si dea John cu pararea, mai schimba putin directia :rockon:
Post by: prototype on July 11, 2012, 04:35:20 AM
Personal, Ciobanescul German asa cum arata "la inceput" nu mi se parea un caine urat. A, ca erau exemplare si exemplare, asta da. Dar aspectul acesta poate fi intalnit si astazi - exemplare frumoase si exemplare mai putin frumoase sau chiar urate. "Problema", in opinia mea a fost ca unora le-a trebuit un caine frumos cand cainele...era deja frumos.
Ei, pe la inceputuri erau un pic mai uratei. Insa n-as avea nicio problema daca as avea un caine ca Horand v G si sa fie excelent in paza.
Clar sunt si azi exemplare urate, se stie deja care! :grin: Pe sistem turbo-manelistic: se stieeeeeeeee! :lol:
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 04:37:09 AM
Insa n-as avea nicio problema daca as avea un caine ca Horand v G si sa fie excelent in paza.Hmmm.. sincer, nu cred ca as vrea chiar un Horand, apropos de look :grin: Un Held Ritterberg sau Bodo Rosenzweig insa, daaaaaaaaaaaaa.... "se stie!!" :lol:
Hmm... I probably wouldn't want a Horand if it comes down to looks, but rather a Held Ritterberg or Bodo Rosenzweig
Post by: prototype on July 11, 2012, 04:41:06 AM
Who wouldn't want a Held or a Bodo!
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 04:42:36 AM
Da' cine n-ar vrea un Held si un Bodo! :rolleyes:well.. amandoi erau black n tan.. sunt convins ca sunt si cei care vor suri sau negri complet :rolleyes:
Apropos, dintre Held si Bodo cred ca as alege Held ca imi pare mai atletic pe structura... :think:
Well they were both black n tan and I guess there are those who like the sable or solid black.
By the way, I would probably chose Held over Bodo as he looks more athletic...
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 04:45:42 AM
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 04:48:00 AM
I sent the video to Uwe Stolpe (http://www.dogtrainer.de/) he had seen zorro more then once and even had him on a sleeve. He told me it was not zorro in that video.Oh yes, I remember Uwe from.. was it Leerburg forums..? Well, if he said that, he knows what he's saying. If I recall well, he worked a Zorro son that he was impressed with, not remembering the name right now....
Still, the bloke in the video called the dog by the name Zorro and with that look and weak mask I must say, I would think that was Zorro..
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 04:49:55 AM
If I recall well, he worked a Zorro son that he was impressed with, not remembering the name right now....Nando von den Gnitzer Höhen - I believe he stated he had the dog on the sleeve and that it was one of the best Zorro sons.
Post by: prototype on July 11, 2012, 04:50:27 AM
By the way, I would probably chose Held over Bodo as he looks more athletic...
True, Held looks better than Bodo. :cool:
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 04:53:03 AM
True, Held looks better than Bodo. :cool:Bun, suntem pe aceeasi linie :beer: ...desi cand mi-a trimis John prima data poza lui Bodo, nu am mai dormit in noapte respectiva, fara nicio gluma :lol: apoi l-am rugat sa ma lase s-o bag si pe PDB si in forum. Cainele viselor mele, ca si aspect!!
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 04:54:01 AM
he had Zorro on the sleeve he also knew the owner of Zorro and said Zorro was unsafe around people and the video shows this dog with a child Uwe said the owner would never let children around Zorro.
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 04:55:04 AM
No he owned and trained Nando von den Gnitzer HöhenI guess that's a very clear point, since Zorro had the reputation we know of..
he had Zorro on the sleve he also knew the owner of Zorro and said Zorro was unsafe around people and the video shows this dog with a child Uwe said the owner would never let children around Zorro.
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 04:56:52 AM
Nando von den Gnitzer Höhen - I believe he stated he had the dog on the sleeve and that it was one of the best Zorro sons.hmmm... I could be wrong.. it may have been a V Neptungrotte dog... I can't remember too well right now..
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 05:00:11 AM
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He said Zorro was one of the best and this video does not paint the picture of the Zorro he knew and tested
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Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 05:00:26 AM
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the problem here is that a pure DDR dog is not realy usable for the sport! Most of them have not enough prey drive, problems with grip and they are lazy in obedience. The same problem for policework. We need a dual dog for schutzhund and narcotic - explosives. Here we have the same problem with the prey drive.
99 % of the DDR breeders from today produce only for private persons (the dogs live at the farm) for 250,- - 300,- € / pup or they produce for USA.
But this all is a problem of the beginning1980. In the DDR the breed goes in the way of show and the rulebook for trials was not good for selection. You have only prey and defense bitework, but nothing bite after control. No things of change the drives and when you see the obedience training of this time you will have tears in your eyes!
They cross a lot of west german show lines in (not official - was not allowed - but over Czech and Hungary), this was not good for the breed.In the end of the 1980 years you see not a GSD of the DDR Championchip in the first ranks!!!
After the wall comes down, I test more than 100 dogs in 1990 for me and friends. But I find only 1 ( Nando Gnitzer Höhen) for the Sport and 10 for policework!!!
I personly love this old DDR lines (the look and a part of the caracter). But for sport only mixed with very good and fixed West German Working lines.
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 05:07:18 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 05:09:35 AM
the people in the ddr wanted to make show lines to have the money the west was making on dog sales. The video show they are in 1986 converting dogs for show.The strong old type will not be suited for this so they are not bred. They do not fit into the show ring. Uwe does not include this in that statement.But it is clear in the leerberg video.
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 05:10:01 AM
I wish I met Uwe in person..
Placed 3rd here http://www.working-dog.eu/meisterschaft-details/2044/SV%20LGA%20(LG02)%201998/
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 05:11:46 AM
I believe Uwe mixed east and west eventually..He never was a DDR breeder but like everyone else
they looked at this dogs when the wall came donw.He is a sport guy and to any sport guy the ddr dogs are not good for anything but looks
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 05:11:57 AM
Yes if you look at the Leerberg video in the mid 80'sYou are probably referring to the Leerburg video..
the people in the ddr wanted to make show lines to have the money the west was making on dog sales. The video show they are in 1986 converting dogs for show.The strong old type will not be suited for this so they are not bred. They do not fit into the show ring. Uwe does not include this in that statement.But it is clear in the leerberg video.
yeah.. I remember someone posting in another forum that the East Germans would even trade the dogs for goods, they were pretty "hungry" for better quality of life..
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 05:12:51 AM
He never was a DDR breeder but like everyone elseOh.. I see.. that explains why he actually bred west dogs, under the Luebarser Schloesschen kennel if I'm not mistaking..
they looked at this dogs when the wall came donw.He is a sport guy and to any sport guy the ddr dogs are not good for anything but looks
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 05:24:05 AM
CG-ul nu a fost creat sa vaneze o minge sau sa muste un manson. In opinia mea cainele DDR e cel mai apropiat de scopul pt care a fost creata rasa. Cainele a fost facut sa pazeasca turma. Omul a perpetuat driv-ul din caine si l-a transformat in caine de sport ceea ce e departe de ce trebuia sa fie un CG.
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 05:32:29 AM
"The German Shepherd dog was not created to chase a ball or bite a sleeve.The DDR dog in my opinion is the closest dog to what was breed was intended for or to do. The breed was to guard live stock ,heard. Man bred all the drive and created the sport now man has change the breed far from what it was intended to be."Yep, that's the reality of the breed... then again, one would say "we no longer need dogs for sheep and we have technology to protect our homes, so we found a new use for the dog.. in sports"..
Da, este realitatea prin care trece rasa... dar, unii ar putea spune "nu mai avem nevoie de caini pt paza turmei, avem tehnologie moderna care sa ne protejeze casa deci am creat un scop nou pt rasa.. sportul"..
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 05:35:17 AM
Yep, that's the reality of the breed... then again, one would say "we no longer need dogs for sheep and we have technology to protect our homes, so we found a new use for the dog.. in sports"..
sport =entertainment -----to me it ruined the breed
This in just not the GSD
sport - amuzament ----- pt mine inseamna ruinarea rasei
Asta pur si simplu nu este adevaratul CG
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 05:37:00 AM
sport =entertainment -----to me it ruined the breedDefinitely!! We turned the GSD into a Labrador.. not that I don't like the latter. What do you do in a real life situation with a dog that is good for sports? You fight to save yourself AND the dog, that's what you do...
This in just not the GSD
Categoric! Am transformat CG-ul in Labrador (nu ca as avea ceva cu Lab). Ce faci intr-o situatie reala cu un caine bun de sport - lupti sa te aperi si pe tine si cainele, asta faci...
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 05:45:07 AM
Definitely!! We turned the GSD into a Labrador.. not that I don't like the latter. What do you do in a real life situation with a dog that is good for sports? You fight to save yourself AND the dog, that's what you do...Sport is just training we can train mice to do work.
We all need to fight and restore the breed to what it once was.There is still a need for great dogs today and that is without sport. :goodnews:
Sportul e dresaj, putem dresa si soareci sa lucreze.
Trebuie sa luptam si sa aducem rasa inapoi unde era. Inca exista o nevoie pt caini buni in ziua de azi iar asta fara sport.
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 05:51:11 AM
Sport is just training we can train mice to do work.There is a documentary about Pitbulls and Leri Hansen makes a point that people now more than ever are in search for good personal protection dogs so yes, we need to help these dogs stay what they were planned for in the first place. People need to be opened to information... I wish more and more people documented themselves before purchasing dogs, many are too easily fooled by a title on a piece of paper. I said this so many times before but to no avail I guess.
We all need to fight and restore the breed to what it once was.There is still a need for great dogs today and that is without sport. :goodnews:
Exista un documentar despre Pitbulli unde Leri Hansen spune clar ca in ziua de azi oamenii (cel putin prin State) cauta caini buni de protectie personala deci da, trebuie sa depunem eforturi sa aducem cainii astia pe directia pt care au fost programati. Oamenii trebuie sa se informeze.. imi doresc ca lumea sa se documenteze inainte de a achizitiona caini, prea multi sunt fraieriti cu titluri pe hartie. Am spus asta de multe ori dar cam degeaba, cred.
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 06:00:36 AM
sport =entertainment -----to me it ruined the breed
This in just not the GSD
sport - amuzament ----- pt mine inseamna ruinarea rasei
Asta pur si simplu nu este adevaratul CG
By the way, I was looking for other current DDR dogs online and nowadays they now praise the dogs on websites for "competing" and placing well in agility.. for goodness' sake!!!! I bet that's because the dog can't actually do anything else...
Apropos, cautand caini curenti DDR am dat de sit-uri unde cainii erau laudati pt "concurarea" si buna plasare in agility... las-o balta!! Pun pariu ca asta pt ca nu e in stare de altceva cainele respectiv...
Post by: Sorin on July 11, 2012, 06:19:50 AM
.:bravo:
Exista un documentar despre Pitbulli unde Leri Hansen spune clar ca in ziua de azi oamenii (cel putin prin State) cauta caini buni de protectie personala deci da, trebuie sa depunem eforturi sa aducem cainii astia pe directia pt care au fost programati. Oamenii trebuie sa se informeze.. imi doresc ca lumea sa se documenteze inainte de a achizitiona caini, prea multi sunt fraieriti cu titluri pe hartie. Am spus asta de multe ori dar cam degeaba, cred.
Post by: Sorin on July 11, 2012, 06:22:45 AM
"The German Shepherd dog was not created to chase a ball or bite a sleeve.The DDR dog in my opinion is the closest dog to what was breed was intended for or to do. The breed was to guard live stock ,heard. Man bred all the drive and created the sport now man has change the breed far from what it was intended to be."nici mie nu-mi place treaba asta deloc, sunt prea disperati dupa minge , aport , etc. Cainii vechi nu aveau instictul asta atat de dezvoltat, disperat
CG-ul nu a fost creat sa vaneze o minge sau sa muste un manson. In opinia mea cainele DDR e cel mai apropiat de scopul pt care a fost creata rasa. Cainele a fost facut sa pazeasca turma. Omul a perpetuat driv-ul din caine si l-a transformat in caine de sport ceea ce e departe de ce trebuia sa fie un CG.
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 06:26:24 AM
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 06:35:09 AM
Dani The video you made is very good as you always make. Keep on making them many people will enjoy watching them.Thanks John, as you know I will keep making them. Also I plan on making some nice ones when I start working Hun and Briska in protection. I wish there was footage of Don R and other great east dogs... I was so thrilled when I first saw that Lord G at work video!
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 06:45:35 AM
But the big picture here is the work dog.This is what is now disappearing before our eyes and so few people take notice.
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 06:52:53 AM
But the big picture here is the work dog.This is what is now disappearing before our eyes and so few people take notice.Well that's where my questions come in.. I search the internet for DDR dogs and so many of those owning DDR dogs breed for looks (pigment and large bone) and ok, you get pigment and bone BUT like I stated not long ago, what about the temperament..
I watched Ed Frawley's videos of the 89 DDR Sieger and I clearly noted the east Germans by that time already bred more angulated dogs (I forgot the kennel names right now...) .. Even Viktor ad Westsachsen who's looks I actually like, seems to be a pretty angulated dog. With that in mind, I find it hard to believe much can be done to restore the old dogs.. I do my best not to be pessimistic about it but reality tells me the remaining population of DDR dogs (with various exceptions) is that of DDR show -orientated blood. You can correct me if I am wrong about that..
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 07:03:14 AM
Well that's where my questions come in.. I search the internet for DDR dogs and so many of those owning DDR dogs breed for looks (pigment and large bone) and ok, you get pigment and bone BUT like I stated not long ago, what about the temperament..
I watched Ed Frawley's videos of the 89 DDR Sieger and I clearly noted the east Germans by that time already bred more angulated dogs (I forgot the kennel names right now...) .. Even Viktor ad Westsachsen who's looks I actually like, seems to be a pretty angulated dog. With that in mind, I find it hard to believe much can be done to restore the old dogs.. I do my best not to be pessimistic about it but reality tells me the remaining population of DDR dogs (with various exceptions) is that ow DDR show -orientated blood. You can correct me if I am wrong about that..
the remaining population of DDR dogs (with various exceptions) is that ow DDR show -orientated blood.
Yes this is correct this is were they started( 89 DDR Sieger)the down fall of the old DDr type. But i think with some still remaining it can be brought back to some point and combined later with other old type to save working type GSD'S
People of the ddr started to change before 89.Hell the west was getting real money for show and sport dogs to usa.What were they selling dogs for in the ddr????
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 07:08:32 AM
But i think with some still remaining it can be brought back to some point and combined later with other old type to save working type GSD'SJohn I take that statement for what I know you want it to be, as you've looked into the reality of the DDR bloodlines for so many years. At this point in time I am tempted to believe the best working dogs and CLOSEST to the old type are those no-document, old school dogs, that not many pay attention to (because the very lack of documents) but that's not to say I underestimate the importance of knowing the blood (hence the need for documents / records). Trafalga I think was one of the kennels who clearly bred for looks/show eventually.
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 07:13:40 AM
Haug
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/724954.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 07:19:23 AM
I must have been thinking of Lito v Trafalga...
I watched Ed Frawley's videos of the 89 DDR Sieger and I clearly noted the east Germans by that time already bred more angulated dogs (I forgot the kennel names right now...)
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 07:26:17 AM
Roker v Trafalga
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/120455.jpg)
Post by: guest on July 11, 2012, 07:26:39 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/706847.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 11, 2012, 07:40:30 AM
They had nothing for all the years and most could not give the dog away. But in west germany they were selling dogs for hundreds of dollars.It was survival to switch the breedline
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 07:48:16 AM
Dani Most of the kennels in the DDR went to show and or sport.Makes me sad to read that.. but then one has to understand the needs of the East Germans at the time....
Post by: ben on July 11, 2012, 08:04:14 AM
I think that another dog with "show" tendencies is Olf von der Gundorfer Höhe (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=706847).Well... I guess some of them are positioned in such way they look like show dogs. Carly Policia looked like that in the first official pictures posted on the net.
Post by: guest on July 11, 2012, 08:23:22 AM
Well... I guess some of them are positioned in such way they look like show dogs. Carly Policia looked like that in the first official pictures posted on the net.Yeah, I believe that because it's the typical presentation posture, but in some cases we can clearly see if the dog - even placed in the presentation position - has a straight back or a curved one. My believe is that Olf had a pretty angulated back.
Post by: Man Stopper on July 12, 2012, 01:28:39 AM
Ok, take this one, Haug v Trafalga - I actually like the dog, in fact it reminds me of Viktor ad W but I see the "show" tendencies in place already.. Zorro on the other hand, with a straighter back and somewhat rougher shapes altogether, clearly seems to me to be closer to the old type.Don vom Trafalga was brought into Australia in the mid 70's as a show dog..
Haug
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/724954.jpg)
Don's genetics combined well with West German lines who's lines traced back to Marko v Cellerland and
Mutz von der Pelztierfarm and Ingo vom Hafenlohrtal who was linbred on Rolf vom Osnabruckerland..
Rolf was the paternal Grandsire of Ali v Granert and this as we know is the foundation line of many great DDR lines
A number of very good dog's were produced with the combination mentioned above..
Casso has predominately dog's in his bloodline tracing back to Don v Trafalga multiple times..
Post by: ben on July 12, 2012, 04:50:27 AM
Post by: guest on July 20, 2012, 02:57:02 AM
(http://mfst2.working-dog.eu/Hassan-von-Montezuma-----mlywW5G8GLcZP9vAyzY1LBI__tW_wfukWpZdqG6hWms,.gif)
(http://wdcontent10.working-dog.eu/Hassan-von-Montezuma-----VQNwgyzbgtMLge7m0XmS_l6UFjBcHifE3pH_M6_FJD0,.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 20, 2012, 07:21:38 AM
Post by: ben on July 22, 2012, 09:24:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgXdmw47mzY
Post by: ben on July 22, 2012, 09:35:15 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Brazen2.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Brazen3.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Brazen1.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 22, 2012, 09:44:00 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Kantor2.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Kantor3.jpg)
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/Kantor4.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMYDYU94wvw
Post by: guest on July 22, 2012, 09:47:52 AM
Post by: prototype on July 22, 2012, 11:56:18 AM
Post by: ben on July 22, 2012, 12:03:16 PM
Chash e fain tare! ;)Da imi place si mie chiar mult! E tocmai in California ca o trimiteam pe Briska sa bea o cafea cu el... :lol:
Post by: prototype on July 22, 2012, 12:04:57 PM
Post by: ben on July 22, 2012, 12:15:48 PM
Acum nu se poate, dar cine stie mai incolo...oricum am in plan o deplasare cu Briska across the pond, cum zic americanii. Dar mai incolo, cum ai spus.
Post by: Sorin on July 22, 2012, 12:37:33 PM
Post by: ben on July 23, 2012, 06:05:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQgnvl_8_lY
Post by: guest on July 23, 2012, 06:30:43 AM
Post by: Sorin on July 23, 2012, 06:35:25 AM
Post by: ben on July 23, 2012, 06:42:55 AM
Un caine DDR de la militie la Rusi (Grodno/Belarus), stranepot de Zorro LW
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/555148_4327144741613_905426566_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 24, 2012, 02:44:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1pOl4y_14A
Post by: ben on July 24, 2012, 02:48:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpjimjavynA
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 25, 2012, 10:25:25 AM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/01_05_1985a.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 25, 2012, 02:52:09 PM
1985 Dogs in East Germany DDRI see black and tan and solid blacks. Would you say there were more of them in those times, than sable dogs?
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/01_05_1985a.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 26, 2012, 02:52:49 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/378169.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 26, 2012, 12:21:09 PM
(http://schaeferhunde-welpen-schaeferhund-zuechter.de/s/cc_images/cache_2419163293.jpg?t=1319487494)
(http://schaeferhunde-welpen-schaeferhund-zuechter.de/s/cc_images/cache_2419163298.jpg?t=1320178440)
(http://schaeferhunde-welpen-schaeferhund-zuechter.de/s/cc_images/cache_2419163295.jpg?t=1319488390)
Post by: ben on July 26, 2012, 12:28:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LpjkMD9RcM
Post by: guest on July 27, 2012, 06:11:34 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/AfraGleisdreieck.jpg)
Don Haus Iris
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/DonvomHausIris.jpg)
Quai vom blauen Modeneser
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/Quai-vom-blauen-Modeneser3.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/Quai-vom-blauen-Modeneser.jpg)
Johnny vom blauen Modeneser
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/Jonny-vom-blauen-Modeneser.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/Jonny-vom-blauen-Modeneser3.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 27, 2012, 06:21:58 AM
Iar pe fizic imi place Quai.
Post by: guest on July 27, 2012, 06:39:37 AM
Muah.. ce cap pe Johnny asta!! :rockon:Subscriu!
Iar pe fizic imi place Quai.
Post by: ben on July 27, 2012, 06:48:33 AM
Muah.. ce cap pe Johnny asta!! :rockon:...cu toate ca nici Johnny nu e rau.. mi se pare ca e "cocosat" pt pozat; ma uit la el si nu are femur de-ala lung tipic unui caine mai angulat. mai sunt si alte poze cu el? Ma uit si eu acush..
Iar pe fizic imi place Quai.
Post by: ben on July 27, 2012, 06:51:41 AM
FOARTE expresiv.
(http://images.dogspot.de/956d38bd71ba03230ec2cc04154c5ca0g6.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 27, 2012, 06:53:15 AM
(http://mfst2.working-dog.eu/Jonny-vom-blauen-Modeneser-----mlywW5G8GLeQLWAk_bCxQlI7b6_ISXieyFufqz3szSY,.jpg)
Post by: guest on July 27, 2012, 06:58:50 AM
Post by: ben on July 27, 2012, 07:17:12 AM
Da, acum ma pregateam sa o postez. Chiar daca nu e prea angulat, parca are o tenta de "cocoasa" totusi.mda.. nu stiu ce sa spun, nu putem analiza treaba dupa o poza doua.. altfel ajungem sa gandim ca fanii show, judecand dupa poze (iar din 10 poze per caine 9 ar fi pozitia de prezentare si numai locatia ar fi diferita de la poza la poza :lol: )
Post by: guest on July 27, 2012, 10:33:25 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/RexHausIris.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 27, 2012, 10:39:32 AM
Aveam una trimisa de John mai demult, dupa ce ajunsese cainele in State.. e pe-aici prin forum si aia.
Post by: guest on July 27, 2012, 10:49:13 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/CliffGeraufer.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 27, 2012, 10:53:30 AM
Post by: guest on July 27, 2012, 11:07:19 AM
Cliff saracu' a transmis probleme, multe.. De fapt si el a murit tanar.Pacat, era un caine destul de aratos.
Post by: ben on July 27, 2012, 11:27:29 AM
Post by: guest on July 28, 2012, 01:54:08 PM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/OlmvonChristiensruh.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/OlmvonChristiensruh2.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 28, 2012, 06:35:59 PM
Post by: guest on July 28, 2012, 11:31:09 PM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/HEIKOVOMHERZBACH.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/MARAVOMWOLKENSTEIN.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 29, 2012, 02:02:48 AM
Post by: HANS on July 29, 2012, 02:58:05 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 29, 2012, 03:27:47 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on July 29, 2012, 11:14:14 PM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/HEIKOVOMHERZBACH.jpg)
Very impressive this type of look..
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 31, 2012, 06:47:56 AM
Post by: ben on July 31, 2012, 06:52:03 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 31, 2012, 07:03:12 AM
Now that looks like an old pictureYes This dog is guarding a Rail car
Post by: ben on July 31, 2012, 07:10:51 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on July 31, 2012, 11:56:13 AM
Post by: ben on July 31, 2012, 12:00:03 PM
Post by: guest on August 01, 2012, 11:34:25 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/HEIKOVOMHERZBACH.jpg)
Desi ceva mai "lasat de spate", frumos. Frate cu cel din imaginea de mai sus.
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/HASSANVOMHERZBACH.jpg)
Post by: ben on August 01, 2012, 03:02:20 PM
Post by: prototype on August 01, 2012, 10:49:00 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on August 03, 2012, 10:10:07 AM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Zwinger1.jpg)
Post by: guest on August 05, 2012, 08:12:42 AM
Post by: ben on August 05, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
Post by: guest on August 05, 2012, 08:15:35 AM
Cine..?http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=485159
Post by: ben on August 05, 2012, 08:17:17 AM
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=485159Te intrebam pt ca, uitandu-ma la cap, m-am gandit ca trebuie sa fie ceva cu Don R in sange dar uitandu-ma la rest, mi-am pus semne de intrebare. Held - se stie! :rockon:
Post by: Romul on August 16, 2012, 05:39:55 PM
Dani the information you have provided on this web site is fantastic and i would like to
thank John LaTorre very much as well for his insight inDDR nostalgia(SUPURB).
Regards
Sam.
Post by: ben on August 16, 2012, 11:35:32 PM
Post by: Romul on August 17, 2012, 05:35:20 PM
Some of us do a little and some of us do alot,once again i have to thank John LaTorre for that especially.
I allso have to thank you to Dani for allowing some room in your breeding program for the DDR lines.
I'm hoping to do the same next year.
Regards
Sam.
Post by: guest on August 27, 2012, 07:38:59 AM
(http://wdcontent11.working-dog.eu/Barras-vom-Haus-Funke-----ww6iWOesrbe5gp980XZZyDmv-jfTuccnmauhxUmL2vI,.gif)
Post by: ben on August 27, 2012, 03:14:36 PM
Post by: guest on August 30, 2012, 11:47:45 PM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/GSD.jpg)
Dux v Gamzental
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/DuxvonGamzetal.jpg)
Caesar v Rangental
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/CaesarRengental.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/GSD3.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/GSD4.jpg)
Post by: guest on August 30, 2012, 11:48:48 PM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/OhlevomRundeck2.jpg)
Post by: guest on August 31, 2012, 01:59:22 AM
Ohle v Rundeck (?)Perhaps John could clarify this for us, I found this picture on a page with an article about GSD history, including the DDR dogs, and there was the picture I posted above, with the name/description Ohle v Rundeck and I'm not too sure if that was correct, since I only know one picture of him, the "classic" one. The angle is different on the picture I found today, but the dog seems to be Ohle indeed....
This is the "classic" picture of Ohle, the one from the Database.
(http://wolcha.ru/uploads/posts/2012-02/1328894507_0.jpg)
Post by: guest on September 01, 2012, 12:58:18 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/VOLEVOMEICHSFELDERLAND.jpg)
Post by: ben on September 01, 2012, 03:47:50 AM
Perhaps John could clarify this for us, I found this picture on a page with an article about GSD history, including the DDR dogs, and there was the picture I posted above, with the name/description Ohle v Rundeck and I'm not too sure if that was correct, since I only know one picture of him, the "classic" one. The angle is different on the picture I found today, but the dog seems to be Ohle indeed....Eu zic ca e Ohle, cu stopul ala mai slab si jaret (oarecum) lung...
Post by: guest on September 01, 2012, 03:53:33 AM
Eu zic ca e Ohle, cu stopul ala mai slab si jaret (oarecum) lung...Da, am analizat mai mult poza si cred si eu ca e Ohle.
Post by: ben on September 01, 2012, 04:44:18 AM
Da, am analizat mai mult poza si cred si eu ca e Ohle.Si eu zic la fel, e vb de aceeasi postura ceva mai "batzoasa"..
Post by: prototype on September 02, 2012, 07:03:56 AM
Post by: guest on September 02, 2012, 08:45:45 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/EikvomGleisdreieck.jpg)
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on September 02, 2012, 10:08:13 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on September 02, 2012, 11:37:34 AM
Eik vom Gleisdreieck
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/EikvomGleisdreieck.jpg)
Post by: prototype on September 02, 2012, 11:45:01 AM
Mamaa, ce structura are cainele asta... :rockon: O superbitate de animal
+1
Imi place mult si mie.
Post by: Sorin on September 03, 2012, 03:03:48 AM
Post by: ben on September 11, 2012, 12:50:12 AM
Imi place Viktor ad Westsachsen.
The 89 DDR Sieger, you can already see the west print. Still, compare the courage test in this video to what you see in the modern BSZS and draw your own conclusions. Needless to say there are weak dogs in this video too, I think the V3 was placed well due to its conformation.
I like Viktor ad Westsachsen.
http://leerburg.com/flix/player.php/183/1989_East_German_DDR_Sieger_Show
Ma gandesc, Siegerul ca si concept este destinat CG-ului, show si lucru deopotriva si, totusi CG-ul de lucru este discriminat cat cuprinde in show, asa cum stim f bine, asta probabil pt ca in lucru cei de show sunt praf (si ma refer de fapt cu precadere la cei pe care-i vedem participand la BSZS, ca altfel sunt si CG de show buni in lucrul de protectie) si atunci deh, trebuie sa existe un "echilibru" - anume, hai sa-i depunctam pe astia de lucru in show, ca sa aiba si asta de show niste plusuri.
I guess the Sieger show was designed for the show and working type alike but as we know too well the working dog is disregarded or underestimated in show. I guess that's because the show dog is crap in work and since in needs some pluses too, hey let's place the working dog low in a show and thus the show dog is a winner, right?
Post by: ben on September 11, 2012, 12:56:27 AM
Daca ascultati cu atentie, aproape toti cainii pe care ii vedeti in filmare (la proba de curaj) au fost ulterior cumparati de americani. PACAT ca n-au stiut cum sa se foloseasca de ei.....
I'm not even bothered with the V5, whether what we see is lack of training or good genetics, I don't like the dog. I actually believe some of the lower placed dogs visually deserved better but I guess the west mindset was already covering ground in the east as material needs were great. For example I believe the V6 deserved better placing.. I for one would have placed the dog in at least second place.
If you listen carefully, most of these dogs were eventually imported into the States, too bad the Americans didn't know how to use the blood..
Post by: ben on September 11, 2012, 01:21:08 AM
Actually I think i would have placed Falko v Schleusinger Berg as V1.
Asta e cainele
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/150126.jpg)
Post by: prototype on September 11, 2012, 01:43:13 AM
Ca look, Falko nu-mi place.
Post by: ben on September 11, 2012, 01:59:07 AM
Ca look, Falko nu-mi place.Nici pe mine nu ma da pe spate. Viktor imi place in schimb.
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on September 11, 2012, 02:42:15 AM
Ma uit din nou la Falko v Schleusinger Berg.. cred ca i-as fi dat V1!o da in defectul numit popular la CG "spinare de crap" (convex) :)
Actually I think i would have placed Falko v Schleusinger Berg as V1.
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/150126.jpg)
Post by: ben on September 11, 2012, 03:32:09 AM
Post by: ben on September 11, 2012, 03:55:35 AM
Am urmarit materialul cap-coada si l-am ascultat cu atentie pe Frawley, zice si el acolo spre final de proba de curaj femele ca, era confuz de ce anume catele care erau trompete in proba de curaj au fost clasate bine si a vazut catele mult mai bune care nici in primele 10 n-au fost clasate. Urmariti incepand cu minutul 28 si ascultati cu atentie (un pic de exercitiu de l engleza :) ). Deci din nou, e clar ca si estul incepuse sa impinga caini pe loc de frunte pe criterii de aspect. Mama lor cu angulatie cu tot..
Post by: ben on September 11, 2012, 04:16:25 AM
These are Ed Frawley's words starting at minute 29.30 in the video.
Multi din acesti caini DDR au oase puternice, pigment bun si cap puternic, nu au angulatia cu care suntem obisnuiti la caini din vest. Multi din crescatorii DDR doresc sa aiba acces la cainii din SV si va fi interesant sa vedem ce se va intampla in urmatorii cativa ani, acum ca Zidul a fost daramat. Personal cred ca doar cativa crescatori vor ramane cu liniile locale existente pt ca prefera tipul de caine pe care l-au produs. Insa cred ca majoritatea crescatorilor vor calatori in vest si vor folosi caini SV ceea ce inseamna ca vom vedea multe schimbari in liniile sanguine in urmatorii cativa ani. personal cred ca asta nu e un lucru bun deoarece cainele DDR a oferit optiuni viabile iar acestea urmeaza sa dispara; sper sa ma insel.
Post by: guest on September 11, 2012, 04:48:43 AM
sper sa ma insel.Din pacate nu s-a inselat... :undecided:
Post by: prototype on September 11, 2012, 12:59:27 PM
VA) Baldo nu merita VA. Nu impresioneaza nici prin look si nici la proba de curaj. La atacul lansat dupa ce l-a dat pe atentator jos, a lasat priza si a asteptat sa se ridice ala ca sa faca priza din nou. N-a vrut sa-l ia de sus, cred. :lol: Acu' pe bune, ceva nu era in regula in jocul asta (in mintea lui) si de aia s-a derutat si a asteptat sa se ridice ca sa continue.
V2) Zorro v.d. Bahrener H.
- caibele e urat;
- abia a asteptat sa primeasca comanda de lasare ca se plictisise. E clar ca nu-i place sa muste.
V3) Pitko v. Lentule - slab cainele. La atacul lansat cand s-a apropiat de atentator a avut un moment de ezitare, dar pana la urma si-a zis: "hai s-o fac si pe asta". Caine plictisit.
V5) Larry v. Z.
- a ratat primul atac;
- pare nehotarat.
V6) Falko e tare. Pe video e mai fain decat in poza asta. Merita mult mai mult, cainele are nerv. Pacat ca nu conteaza cel mai mult atitudinea cainelui...
V7) Viktor - fain cainele si ce cap frumos are! Trebuia sa fie mai sus.
V10) N's Jim - mai sus si el.
Eu pe Falko, Viktor si Jim i-as pune pe podium. :cool:
Post by: prototype on September 11, 2012, 01:15:11 PM
1) Grando v. Mecklemburger Buffel - foarte, foarte fain acolo. Mi-a placut cel mai mult dintre toti masculii. Cine nu are rabdare, il gaseste la 56:23.
In poza de pe pd e mai facut asa, probabil ca se maturizase.
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/124929.jpg)
2) Dombai v Osthavelland.
Post by: prototype on September 11, 2012, 01:22:03 PM
Post by: ben on September 11, 2012, 03:15:13 PM
Post by: guest on September 12, 2012, 12:20:47 AM
Larry von Zisawinkel - SchH 3 - mi se pare jenibil cainele, dupa ce am vazut si atacul eu nu as zice ca are SchH 3 in nici un caz.... Pe deasupra cu SchH 3 si se spanzura in zgarda in ultimul hal.
Baldo imi place, chiar daca a lasat priza, nu consider asta atat de scandalos, avand in vedere ca a reluat-o numaidecat. Mie nu mi se pare ca astepta sa se ridice atentatorul.
Viktor e superb cainele, mi-ar placea mult sa vad un cadru mai clar cu el sau o poza mai buna.
Imi place totusi ca aveau mai multa determinare cainii de atunci si la majoritatea se vede ca se "lupta" pe manson, nu doar se urca si merg la plimbare.
Post by: prototype on September 12, 2012, 02:44:25 AM
Post by: ben on September 12, 2012, 09:52:55 AM
Un lucru e cert: cel mai slab caine de acolo e mult mai tare decat 99% dintre soii de astazi. :)Initial ma pregateam sa spun ca e putin exagerata afirmatia dar daca ma gandesc la ce-am tot vazut in ultimii ani, da.. ai dreptate, din pacate...
Imi place totusi ca aveau mai multa determinare cainii de atunci si la majoritatea se vede ca se "lupta" pe manson, nu doar se urca si merg la plimbare.Cu ceva ani buni in urma si cei de show (vest) arata mai determinat in lucru. Acum e scandaloasa treaba, te apuca nervii sa te uiti la un BSZS in ziua de azi. Sau ma rog, ma apuca pe mine :lol:
Post by: guest on September 12, 2012, 10:11:34 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/CliffBleichfleck.jpg)
Post by: ben on September 12, 2012, 10:23:08 AM
Post by: ben on September 12, 2012, 11:04:41 AM
Am revazut filmarea si tot Falko (V6) imi place cel mai mult ca si temperament, parca vad in el odorinta de "lupta" ceilalti imi par oarecum interesati de manson.. dar e posibil sa ma insel. Ca si aspect tot Viktor imi place cel mai mult. Lito Trafalga imi pare dezinteresat, plictisit etc.. dar cum spunea si Prototype, majoritatea sunt clar mai buni decat ce vedem in zilele noatre la un Sieger Show. Imi place si Neumann's Jim atat pe aspect cat si temperament desi parca mi-ar fi placut sa vad ceva mai multa lupta in el, totusi... Anyway, faptul ca el si frate-sau Janko au fost folositi mult spune ceva.
Cat despre catele - spune Ed Frawley acolo ca Paula Trafalga avea un drive imens, handlerul a venit cu 4 betze dupa el sa o tina "prizata" iar dupa ce arunca Paula le aporta si le tine in gura pe toate o data. Vad ca Frawley a numit-o "catea exceptionala" si desi nu-mi place pe aspect (cam aduce a show) imi place cum lucreaza mansonul ala. Imi place atacul lansat al catelui V6 dar se vede pe urma, dupa ce lasa mansonul iar atentatorul face pasi inapoi relaxat, ca nu are nicio treaba cu pazirea lui, a muscat mansonul apoi gata, si-a facut treaba, trebuie sa ia o pauza. cateaua V9 e frumoasa foc si robusta si se descurca frumusel si la proba de curaj.
Post by: prototype on September 12, 2012, 01:04:40 PM
Post by: ben on September 12, 2012, 01:08:54 PM
Frumos tare Cliff Bleichfleck. :cool:Subscriu!
Post by: guest on September 12, 2012, 01:10:13 PM
Post by: ben on September 12, 2012, 01:15:14 PM
Si mie-mi place de mor cainele, numai de-as gasi o filmare cu el, preferabil la lucru!:rockon: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte:: ::bitte::
Post by: ben on September 12, 2012, 01:31:37 PM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/605357.jpg)
Post by: guest on September 12, 2012, 01:33:00 PM
Cainele e in Venezuela, la 2 pasi.. :cheesy:A, maine cred ca-i fac o vizita. ::wonderful::
Arata bine cainele!
Post by: prototype on September 12, 2012, 01:34:11 PM
Cat de mult imi place culoarea asta la CG!
Pai daca e aici in Venezuela, inghesuiti-va la monte. :lol:
Post by: ben on September 12, 2012, 01:38:51 PM
Superb! :rockon:E din linia 13A si nu m-as inghesui la monta prea repede dar chiar si asa... imi place ce vad..
Cat de mult imi place culoarea asta la CG!
Pai daca e aici in Venezuela, inghesuiti-va la monte. :lol:
Crescatorii din venezuela s-au pus tare pe caini DDR, Carl Heinz v Wartenberg, care imi place mult, e la ei. La ala da, m-as fi inghesuit pt o monta.
Post by: prototype on September 12, 2012, 01:47:35 PM
Te cred ca te-ai inghesui ca vad ca ii are aproape in sange pe Filou si Zorro, doi preferati de-ai tai.
Post by: ben on September 12, 2012, 01:49:51 PM
Fain si asta.Imi place si cum lucreaza
Te cred ca te-ai inghesui ca vad ca ii are aproape in sange pe Filou si Zorro, doi preferati de-ai tai.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmx4SrZTqNw
Post by: prototype on September 12, 2012, 01:55:25 PM
Post by: ben on September 12, 2012, 01:57:30 PM
Post by: HANS on September 12, 2012, 02:16:11 PM
din Enzo, care e Sven x Sindy, perechea "bomba" :) Imi place !
Vad ca Sindy apare si la mama ... ce caini frumosi ies din femela asta, foarte frumoasa si ea, de altfel ...
Post by: prototype on September 12, 2012, 02:28:19 PM
Post by: HANS on September 12, 2012, 02:58:19 PM
In plus, este tipul de femela pe care mi-l doresc, din pacate nu cred ca are nimeni pe la noi asa ceva.
Mai da si niste pui foarte frumosi - culoare si conformatie . Posibil usor "defecti" la cap, dar depinde ce cauti ...
Post by: Man Stopper on September 12, 2012, 07:05:46 PM
Am gasit o poza buna cu Cliff Bleichfleck. Ce caine aratos! E prima data cand vad poza asta, in rest este doar una singura pe care am mai vazut-o cu cainele in intregime, dar e destul de neclara.Thats a super shot of Cliff, he looks correct in every way.. :rockon:
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/CliffBleichfleck.jpg)
Post by: ben on September 12, 2012, 09:57:11 PM
Sa stii :) dar nu numai eu, nu degeaba apare de doua ori in pedigree-ul cainelui :)Da, au iesit caini mari si duri din Sven si Sindy dar cu ceva probleme din pacate, chiar pana la a 2a generatie. Dar da, repet, au iesit caini mari si duri, Boban mi-a placut enorm, intotdeauna.
In plus, este tipul de femela pe care mi-l doresc, din pacate nu cred ca are nimeni pe la noi asa ceva.
Mai da si niste pui foarte frumosi - culoare si conformatie . Posibil usor "defecti" la cap, dar depinde ce cauti ...
Post by: ben on September 13, 2012, 02:17:38 AM
Post by: prototype on September 13, 2012, 04:11:51 AM
Post by: ben on September 13, 2012, 04:39:00 AM
Superb! :rockon:
Cat de mult imi place culoarea asta la CG!
Da, imi place cainele. :rolleyes:Inseamna ca iti place si asa ceva
(http://www.oelmansdorf.com/OELMANSDORF/PHOTO%20ALBUM/WOTAN3.jpg)
(http://www.oelmansdorf.com/OELMANSDORF/PHOTO%20ALBUM/aik4.jpg)
(http://www.oelmansdorf.com/OELMANSDORF/PHOTO%20ALBUM/aik6.jpg)
Post by: prototype on September 13, 2012, 04:43:39 AM
Post by: ben on September 13, 2012, 05:12:10 AM
Post by: prototype on September 13, 2012, 06:54:59 AM
Post by: prototype on September 13, 2012, 07:07:13 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/40043.jpg)
Post by: ben on September 13, 2012, 07:15:08 AM
Imi place mult si strabunic-su lui Wotan, adica Gotz...care era fiu direct de Alf, iar Alf a dat caini buni de lucru, ma refer mai mult la aspectul drive cand spun asta. Linia 13A prin Alf se pare ca a dat asta.
Post by: ben on September 13, 2012, 09:40:15 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/501507.jpg)
Post by: guest on September 13, 2012, 09:46:31 AM
Post by: ben on September 13, 2012, 09:48:58 AM
Judecand dupa cum arata acum, cred ca ceva asemanator ca si culoare va fi si Manto.Hmm.. eu zic ca Manto va avea un contrast mai puternic.. dar we will see. :cool:
Post by: prototype on September 13, 2012, 10:06:44 AM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on September 13, 2012, 10:40:44 AM
Judecand dupa cum arata acum, cred ca ceva asemanator ca si culoare va fi si Manto.eu cred ca va fi exact ca tatal sau si tatal sau e mult diferit ca si culoare fata de acesta...bine, hai nu mult, dar totusi diferit
Post by: ben on September 13, 2012, 11:04:51 AM
eu cred ca va fi exact ca tatal sau si tatal sau e mult diferit ca si culoare fata de acesta...bine, hai nu mult, dar totusi diferitIntr-adevar Remus e ceva mai gri decat exemplarul de mai sus care e ceva mai cafeniu. Imi mai place mult Fenja v Wartenberg.
Post by: guest on September 13, 2012, 11:17:28 AM
eu cred ca va fi exact ca tatal sau si tatal sau e mult diferit ca si culoare fata de acesta...bine, hai nu mult, dar totusi diferitDa, dar mai are si o mama, una negricioasa bine de tot! Manto DEJA este mai inchis decat Remus la culoare. Ramane sa vedem daca am avut dreptate sau nu. ;)
Post by: prototype on September 13, 2012, 11:18:54 AM
Post by: ben on September 13, 2012, 11:22:39 AM
Da, dar mai are si o mama, una negricioasa bine de tot! Manto DEJA este mai inchis decat Remus la culoare. Ramane sa vedem daca am avut dreptate sau nu. ;)Cainele de mai sus e mai cafeniu, mai "saturat". Manto se va mai inchide dar parca nu-l vad chiar ca ala de mai sus.. anyway, time will tell.
Post by: guest on September 13, 2012, 11:23:16 AM
Post by: guest on September 13, 2012, 11:25:07 AM
Cainele de mai sus e mai cafeniu, mai "saturat". Manto se va mai inchide dar parca nu-l vad chiar ca ala de mai sus.. anyway, time will tell.Acum depinde si de poza si momentul in care a fost facuta, daca a fost cumva "ajutata" sau nu la capitolul culoare. E facuta in soare, sunt si contraste mai puternice. Insa de aceea am si spus ca va fi asemanator, adica pe-aproape. :)
Post by: ben on September 13, 2012, 11:25:51 AM
Post by: guest on September 13, 2012, 11:28:18 AM
Pai inseamna ca o sa ai ce poza la greu :grin::lol:
Mai ales ca deja a venit toamna (anotimpul meu preferat :cool: ) si incep sa apara o sumedenie de culori, in special dupa ce cad frunzele copacilor. Am cateva idei in plan pt toamna asta. :rolleyes:
Post by: ben on September 13, 2012, 11:34:54 AM
Cam asa arata, in opinia mea, un sur-cafeniu in miscare (l-am mai postat) desi ala de mai sus pare si mai si.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMYDYU94wvw
Post by: ben on September 13, 2012, 12:03:42 PM
Asa ceva imi place, pe culoare (nepot de Gotz)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/501507.jpg)
Acelasi caine. Are moaca aia tipica de caine din Sven.
(http://wdcontent10.working-dog.eu/Arko-vom-Zwickauer-Marktsteig-----VQNwgyzbgtPsFsrnCTpxiK8TFLcfn716rQI4ubRCjUw,.gif)
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on September 14, 2012, 02:03:36 AM
Da, dar mai are si o mama, una negricioasa bine de tot! Manto DEJA este mai inchis decat Remus la culoare. Ramane sa vedem daca am avut dreptate sau nu. ;)tare...pai acum ma gandesc ca un pui iese ori ca mama ori ca tatal (facem exceptie aici de rude mai indepartate). Ma gandesc ca dintre un parinte alb si unul negru, puiul cu siguranta nu o sa iasa gri. Deci Manto (dupa parerea mea) iese ori ca Remus ( e inca mic sa-i stabilesti culoarea finala de acum) ori ca Herta (ceea ce e cam imposibil acum, zic :grin: ). ;)
Post by: HANS on September 14, 2012, 04:29:57 AM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on September 14, 2012, 06:07:14 AM
tre' sa mai bagi si bunicii in ecuatie
(facem exceptie aici de rude mai indepartate).;)
Post by: guest on September 15, 2012, 09:27:42 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/FalkvonderHainaerBurg.jpg)
Post by: prototype on September 15, 2012, 09:33:17 AM
Post by: guest on September 15, 2012, 09:41:15 AM
Fain, imi place.:yes: Si mie, chiar mult de tot!
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on September 15, 2012, 09:57:34 AM
Post by: prototype on September 15, 2012, 09:58:43 AM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on September 15, 2012, 10:13:11 AM
Bineinteles, ca doar e lung. :cheesy:;)
Post by: ben on September 15, 2012, 10:22:51 AM
Bineinteles, ca doar e lung. :cheesy::grin:
Post by: prototype on September 15, 2012, 10:25:45 AM
Post by: ben on September 15, 2012, 10:30:03 AM
Omului ii plac cainii mai lungi si rai ca lupii. :cheesy:Stiu, adica am retinut din ce a spus; dar in principiu "lungimea" asta nu cred ca a caracterizat cainele old school. Neamtu' a promovat cainii mai scurti dar in randurile de show, in mod deosebit si, smecheria asta n-a apucat sa afecteze in cine stie ce masura liniile de lucru.
Post by: guest on September 15, 2012, 10:33:15 AM
Post by: prototype on September 15, 2012, 10:36:27 AM
Post by: guest on September 15, 2012, 10:37:11 AM
Inteleg, insa eu prefer ceva mai compact, prin asta neinsemnand ceva patratos.:)
Nu pot spune ca am vreo preferinta la capitolul acesta, chiar daca exemplarul e mai compact cata vreme arata bine per total si nu arata disproportionat.
Post by: ben on September 15, 2012, 10:41:40 AM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on September 15, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
Omului ii plac cainii mai lungi si rai ca lupii. :cheesy::grin: iezact
Post by: Johnsk9 on September 15, 2012, 03:17:28 PM
Deutscher Schäferhund
Joe vom Gräfental (Harald)
SchH 2, Kkl 1 Lbz, V
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Joe.jpg)
Post by: ben on September 15, 2012, 08:59:15 PM
(http://wdcontent11.working-dog.eu/Joe-vom-Gr%E4fental-----ww6iWOesrbfVZkR3iLXD1ildmMQiFISEXYmHMEvVssY,.jpg)
Post by: guest on September 15, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
Post by: ben on September 15, 2012, 09:20:55 PM
Ma uitam si prin alte pedigree acum, vad ca sunt caini uratei sau cel putin interesanti (hai sa folosesc un termen mai pieptanat) care sunt nepoti sau stranepoti de grei ai rasei.
De exemplu ma uitam la cainele asta de mai jos, Hacky v Echoberg, care e fiu de Cliff Bleichfleck. Imi aminteste de Hun ca structura putin, cred ca de-aia m-am oprit sa-l vad. Ma uit ca sunt ceva caini oarecum angulati cu descendenta pur estica, fara influenta de vest iar genitorii sunt de fapt de-astia cu spate drept, cat cuprinde. Berry Christelas e un caine cu o crupa mai coborata dar vine din caini cu spatele lipic de old school..
(http://wdcontent14.working-dog.eu/Hacky-vom-Echoberg-----2KnN4UueC9pup6emFzjjKalVmMHgKyY1buFqbGgEb_E,.jpg)
Post by: ben on September 19, 2012, 01:00:26 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/1334059.jpg)
Post by: guest on September 19, 2012, 03:38:08 AM
Post by: prototype on September 19, 2012, 06:22:16 AM
Post by: ben on September 19, 2012, 11:00:07 AM
Aceiasi parinti ca Briska. Gros catel.Cuiburile B si C, aceiasi parinti.
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 01:14:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muWNYi6A0FM
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 01:26:08 AM
(http://wdcontent13.working-dog.eu/Balu-von-Weltwitz-----orCK1MHD-UFy9rCTcfw-LLTb-GSZlfdmpqoV48bbsMM,.gif)
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 02:05:54 AM
(http://www.uswolfhaus.com/wp-content/gallery/dago/dago-von-weltwitz-3.jpg)
https://vimeo.com/41564094
Post by: guest on September 22, 2012, 02:14:36 AM
Post by: prototype on September 22, 2012, 04:02:12 AM
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 10:56:44 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/1838170.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqwVJ5o-UAw
Promit sa postez si materiale filmate cu mana mea, in viitorul apropiat.
Post by: guest on September 22, 2012, 11:03:17 AM
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 11:05:58 AM
(http://wdcontent09.working-dog.eu/Exel-von-Weltwitz-----7nqt5_c-G3MSeQ-UmAEL41Lvoy8NNE8O_oyJ63BnK7o,.gif)
Post by: guest on September 22, 2012, 11:08:45 AM
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 11:14:20 AM
Numele lui e Ellex sau Exel? In filmare vad ca apare Exel.Oops.. my bad, e Exel!
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 11:18:10 AM
(http://wdcontent09.working-dog.eu/Georg-von-den-Grauen-von-Monstab-----7nqt5_c-G3Oi8eyHys0HJD3cGE2C8i79u3vIfs52rIE,.gif)
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 11:22:57 AM
(http://wdcontent12.working-dog.eu/Irian-von-den-Grauen-von-Monstab-----t9A1WiKRrGXyH9usdJ5QKCg9TgaMf1ZGpU10UnN5hAo,.jpg)
(http://wdcontent08.working-dog.eu/Irian-von-den-Grauen-von-Monstab-----80QvbUkvfV333QpofNk7Wr66tHzvmyK5xBenuEd-pp0,.jpg)
Superb!!!! :rockon:
(http://wdcontent11.working-dog.eu/Irian-von-den-Grauen-von-Monstab-----ww6iWOesrbflQi1DA1nPHt0z_pNQNqiNAkwOS-8McgA,.jpg)
Post by: guest on September 22, 2012, 11:32:31 AM
Post by: prototype on September 22, 2012, 11:33:18 AM
In asta e alta treaba:
(http://wdcontent14.working-dog.eu/Irian-von-den-Grauen-von-Monstab-----2KnN4UueC9oEi7eFKY3jjjmmR3PELYDUQ8KY18aqgTw,.jpg)
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 11:34:17 AM
Nu-mi place cum arata in ultima poza.Ah, mie aia-mi place cel mai mult! :rockon: :rockon: chiar mult!!
Post by: prototype on September 22, 2012, 11:35:59 AM
Georg von den Grauen von Monstab. Ce capatzana pe el!:shocked:
Si gat de cal.
Post by: prototype on September 22, 2012, 11:37:24 AM
Ah, mie aia-mi place cel mai mult! :rockon: :rockon: chiar mult!!De la un timp vad ca-ti plac cainii ceva mai subtirei la crupa. :hih:
In asta pe care am postat-o eu, mi se pare ca arata foarte bine, pare mai compact, mai legat, asa. :rolleyes:
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 11:41:49 AM
Post by: guest on September 22, 2012, 11:47:39 AM
Ah, mie aia-mi place cel mai mult! :rockon: :rockon: chiar mult!!Si mie! :cool:
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 11:53:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFlZU_Irz30
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 12:04:39 PM
Si-mi place cum lucreaza omu', stilul vechi, "old school" :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owttYfBTx-g
Post by: prototype on September 22, 2012, 12:15:59 PM
Post by: ben on September 22, 2012, 12:27:39 PM
Nu prea am inteles ce vrea conductorul cu tinutul cainelui in spatele atentatorului. :undecided:Ceva reguli de knpv poate?....
Post by: guest on September 29, 2012, 07:53:24 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/Don_Head_Dual-421x307.jpg)
Post by: prototype on September 29, 2012, 09:56:12 AM
Mie imi place mult asta, pacat ca n-am gasit mai multe poze cu el.
Grand vom Ritterberg
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/14854.jpg)
Post by: guest on September 29, 2012, 11:44:12 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on September 29, 2012, 03:45:31 PM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Zorro-vom-Laager-Wall-----t9A1WiKRrGUMXNTQXzbxEycLWfppfxAV1XOq5lM2VPs.jpg)
Post by: ben on September 29, 2012, 09:34:01 PM
Zorro v Laager Wall... I heard of this dog, was it a good one? :lol:
If I could, I would bring back to life Zorro, Cliff and Held. Oh, and a few of the Himpel dogs..
Post by: ben on October 02, 2012, 07:15:58 AM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8rb8M7wrs0Y/UGmlVpH5gfI/AAAAAAAAAng/WiHEWzAdqEg/s327/VDGM1.JPG)
Post by: guest on October 02, 2012, 07:24:54 AM
Post by: ben on October 02, 2012, 07:25:22 AM
Da, frumos!Tanc!! I love it!!
Post by: prototype on October 02, 2012, 07:39:18 AM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 02, 2012, 09:20:52 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 02, 2012, 09:27:44 AM
Va place cainele asta? :cool:Crazy head on this dog, but i believe the body fat does give it that tank look about him..
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8rb8M7wrs0Y/UGmlVpH5gfI/AAAAAAAAAng/WiHEWzAdqEg/s327/VDGM1.JPG)
Post by: ben on October 02, 2012, 10:14:32 AM
aooollloooo.....de ce trebuie mai frate sa fie asa mici cainii astia bestiali asa?! Conformatie: premiul intai cu coronita, statura: corigent :grin: Nu suport antebrate cat ale unui husky sau mai stiu eu ce rasa e mai mica asa decat CG-ul... Una e Daniel Ghita si una e Catalin Atodiresei (muschi au amandoi pe ei) :grin: :grin: L-as vrea in curte, dar daca ar fi fost si mai inalt as face si cinste la toti prietenii :grin:Boss, dar nu e mic, asa pare in poza. Cainele e marca vd Grauen Monstab.. caini MARI!! :cool:
Post by: ben on October 02, 2012, 10:15:49 AM
Crazy head on this dog, but i believe the body fat does give it that tank look about him..It's actually the look on the face I love the most about him, I mean yeah, he's one well fed dog but check out that head and expression :rockon:
Post by: prototype on October 02, 2012, 10:41:10 AM
Boss, dar nu e mic, asa pare in poza. Cainele e marca vd Grauen Monstab.. caini MARI!! :cool:
Aaa, pai ai mai postat recent niste namile by Grauen Monstab. :cool:
Post by: ben on October 02, 2012, 10:48:16 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 02, 2012, 10:51:30 AM
It's actually the look on the face I love the most about him, I mean yeah, he's one well fed dog but check out that head and expression :rockon:Looks a bit like Galant Pohranicini straze, who was Eurosport Kennels.. The expression anyway, as for the size well its damm good..
Post by: ben on October 02, 2012, 10:53:07 AM
The expression anyway, as for the size well its damm good..I'm not concerned with withers height, a dog like that can cause some problems to an aggressor, with all that amount of mass, c'mon, I mean look at the dog's shoulders!! :rockon:
Post by: guest on October 04, 2012, 03:52:39 AM
Cred ca in vremurile acelea pana ce si Collie erau mai capabili sa "puna gura" decat unii CG din ziua de azi.
Back on those days I guess even Collie were much more able to bite than some of the modern GS dogs.
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Diverse/CollieDDR2.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Diverse/CollieDDR1.jpg)
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 04, 2012, 05:55:20 AM
Boss, dar nu e mic, asa pare in poza. Cainele e marca vd Grauen Monstab.. caini MARI!! :cool:inseamna ca poza sau pozitia e de vina...pe tine te cred pe cuvant daca spui ca e mare...
Post by: ben on October 04, 2012, 09:56:53 AM
inseamna ca poza sau pozitia e de vina...pe tine te cred pe cuvant daca spui ca e mare...Da boss, linia respectiva a dat caini daca nu mari, in niciun caz sub medii, ca statura. O sa incerc sa gasesc si alta poze cu cainele respectiv.
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 04, 2012, 03:51:39 PM
DDR 33253
SchH.1
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/conny_oedland.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 04, 2012, 04:03:19 PM
DDR 60236
25.2.1972
SchH.3,FH.1
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/mediceer_pelzmuehle.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 05, 2012, 02:23:47 AM
Mediceer PelzmühleVery much like those linebred upclose on Ex v Riedstern.. Mediceer looks great in this and other photo on data base..
DDR 60236
25.2.1972
SchH.3,FH.1
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/mediceer_pelzmuehle.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 05, 2012, 03:23:31 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 05, 2012, 05:05:04 AM
DDR 9589
19.4.1959
SchH.3,FH.2
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/falk_falkenbruch.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 05, 2012, 07:35:02 AM
06.03.1974
DDR 71219
SchH3
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/59400_im.jpg)
Post by: prototype on October 05, 2012, 07:47:35 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 05, 2012, 09:24:37 AM
I am gradually seeing a difference in build, between the DDR showed dogs and the old school dogs we see in many of these army pictures.. am trying to learn something from this..I think that the length of body and neck, and the depth of chest or torso is differant..
What differance do you see Dani ?
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 05, 2012, 09:25:29 AM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Artus.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 05, 2012, 10:34:29 AM
Artus von der Westendhöhe DDRThis dog has a score of '3' on the third last digit of the ratings.. Ex v Riedstern and Xito v Barutherland are also the very rare dogs that, as i have observed have the score of '3'.. Just wondering if this meant the dogs were shaprper...?
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Artus.jpg)
Generally most we see are a score of '4'..
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 05, 2012, 10:49:32 AM
aggressive dogs with good hips If i had the choice i would use him over his son zorro
Post by: Man Stopper on October 05, 2012, 11:01:01 AM
reserved, suspicious or aggressive Close line breeding On Artus does give strongThats saying something John, as i know that you had Zorro up there as a worhty and notable dog of the past..
aggressive dogs with good hips If i had the choice i would use him over his son zorro
So this reserved and/or suspicious trait, was it seems not so common amongst the dogs we know of DDR bloodlines..
Possibly this reserved suspicious trait was more common in the Army/Police sectors...!
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 05, 2012, 11:14:10 AM
Mittelgroßer, mittelkräftiger, harmonischer Rüde mit ausdrucksvollem Kopf, sehr guter Oberlinie, guten Winkelungen der Vor- und Hinnterhand un guter Schrittweite mit klaren Aktionen aus der Hinterhand. Steht im Kombinationstyp beider eltern.
Kör - 554 3/45
line breeding
Ex vom Riedstern 3-4,5
Xito vom Baruther Land 3-3
Dux von der Schockengrube 4-4,5
.
Post by: Man Stopper on October 05, 2012, 11:20:00 AM
Thanks John for your replies..
Post by: ben on October 05, 2012, 11:30:10 AM
reserved, suspicious or aggressive Close line breeding On Artus does give strongThat's some fine gold right there..
aggressive dogs with good hips If i had the choice i would use him over his son zorro
Betty vom HirschgrundShe looks stunning!
06.03.1974
DDR 71219
SchH3
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/59400_im.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 05, 2012, 11:33:16 AM
That's some fine gold right there..She looks stunning!This is a nice Bitch
Post by: ben on October 05, 2012, 11:34:08 AM
This is a nice BitchFine gold - I meant the info ;) And yes, she looks amazing!!
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 05, 2012, 12:17:28 PM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Barry.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 05, 2012, 12:27:41 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 05, 2012, 12:39:21 PM
Hmm... looks like the one I posted a while ago... Nice head piece!
I did not see any you posted
Post by: ben on October 05, 2012, 01:01:09 PM
I did not see any you postedJohn you're right, I think I eitehr saw it before and was convinced I already posted it here in the forum or I maybe thought of a different dog, maybe Olm Christiensruch.
Post by: guest on October 05, 2012, 01:03:29 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 05, 2012, 03:27:59 PM
29. October 1963
SCHH3 FH3
DDR 21735
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VAjaxvonHausBerlin.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 05, 2012, 04:03:45 PM
1980-03-01
DDR 111233
5547/33
SchH 2, FH
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Saskia-vom-Haus-Kaiser.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 05, 2012, 07:54:39 PM
Ajax von Haus BerlinI like this dogs rating, especially with the last 2 digits, scoring high on the hardness and courage. Super head and markings on him also..
29. October 1963
SCHH3 FH3
DDR 21735
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VAjaxvonHausBerlin.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 05, 2012, 09:54:03 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 05, 2012, 10:50:44 PM
Ajax has that old school look about him, big time!:rockon: Classic..!
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 06, 2012, 01:59:31 AM
Ajax has that old school look about him, big time!:yes: :yes: :yes: :rockon:
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 06, 2012, 09:35:38 AM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/DonvomHausKding.jpg)
Post by: prototype on October 06, 2012, 10:00:24 AM
What a massive dog!
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 06, 2012, 10:11:24 AM
DDR 119303
FH1 SchH.3
1981-May-17
554 7/33
Mittelgrosser, gut im Verhältnis stehend Rüde mit Adel, Harmonie und gutem Linienfluss. Im Gesamtgefüge trocken, fest und geschlossen. Er besitzt gute Winkel, entwickelt in jeder Gangart ergiegigen Vortritt und guten Nachschub. Recht imposanter Hund, der züchterisch als Ausgleichspartner für Hündinnen, denen das richtige Höhen- und Längenverhältnis fehlt, passt.
Medium sized, well relative standing male with nobility, harmony and good line flow. In the overall structure dry, firm and closed. He has a good angle, developed in every gait ergiegigen precedence and good supplies. Law imposing dog breeding adjusts to compensate partners for females, where the correct height and length ratio, is missing.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VHassanvondenHasselwiesen.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 06, 2012, 10:17:01 AM
Don vom Haus Käding DDR son of Golf vom RitterbergMy goodness!! :rockon:
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/DonvomHausKding.jpg)
John he kind of reminds ne of Bodo.. that video you sent me..
Post by: guest on October 06, 2012, 10:20:03 AM
Don vom Haus Käding DDR son of Golf vom Ritterberg::omg:: Love the head!
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 06, 2012, 01:06:25 PM
11.12.1982
DDR 130512
SchH2
Kör 6547/33
P - Litter from vom Haus Himpel(Pushkaß-Pele) 3-4
H - Litter from vom Haus Himpel(Hanka-Hanko) 3-4
Ex vom Riedstern 4,5-4
Bero vom Krügers Hof 5-5
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/66581_sm.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 07, 2012, 01:04:58 AM
Quai vom Baruther LandThats a much better photo of Quai than the 1 on the data base..
11.12.1982
DDR 130512
SchH2
Kör 6547/33
P - Litter from vom Haus Himpel(Pushkaß-Pele) 3-4
H - Litter from vom Haus Himpel(Hanka-Hanko) 3-4
Ex vom Riedstern 4,5-4
Bero vom Krügers Hof 5-5
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/66581_sm.jpg)
Looks solid and great head and muzzle strength.. :rockon:
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 07, 2012, 10:11:54 AM
DDR/139223
SCHH2, FH
DOB 1984-Jun-7 Don vom Rolandsteich daughter
kor:?5546/34
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/DebbyvonCosta-Rica_low.gif)
Post by: ben on October 07, 2012, 10:28:51 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 09, 2012, 05:20:17 AM
Black vom Haus Himpel
DDR 34008
WZ 6547/33
Rolf vom Osnabrücker Land 4,5-5
Roland vom Teglerforst 5-5
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/34008_low.gif)
Post by: ben on October 09, 2012, 07:01:10 AM
Post by: ben on October 09, 2012, 07:43:39 AM
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/East%20Dogs/45337-1.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 09, 2012, 09:52:29 AM
Now that looks like an old type dog indeed. Haus Himpel.. man I am beginning to get the goose bumps when I read that kennel name..What's the main reason that you would be attracted to Haus Himpel Kennels Dani..
Post by: ben on October 09, 2012, 10:05:55 AM
What's the main reason that you would be attracted to Haus Himpel Kennels Dani..The Himpel dogs are in the blood of many good dogs.
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 09, 2012, 10:13:16 AM
DDR 5590\
Male 1957-Feb-25 \
SchH.3
DDR Sieger 1959
Kör 6556/44
Linie XI B
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/5590_low.gif)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 09, 2012, 10:26:13 AM
Blitz unter den HergußregnernThis is is the build and type i like to see in dogs of today, and those unique markings are awesome...!
DDR 5590\
Male 1957-Feb-25 \
SchH.3
DDR Sieger 1959
Kör 6556/44
Linie XI B
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/5590_low.gif)
Post by: ben on October 09, 2012, 10:31:40 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 09, 2012, 10:47:49 AM
Hmm... I think Lord G would be a more recent dog with such looks.. what do you think?So true Dani the markings especially. This body type is ideal IMO..
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 09, 2012, 03:19:44 PM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/photo_3484_low.gif)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 09, 2012, 03:53:41 PM
DDR 137251
WZ 6546/54
SchH.3
1984-Jan-7
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VOlmvomSchweinitzerDrfchen.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 09, 2012, 09:54:05 PM
So true Dani the markings especially. This body type is ideal IMO..I can see why, the straight back, the expressive face look, the markings... you add some fine tuned temperament and you got yourself one fine GS dog!
Post by: Man Stopper on October 09, 2012, 11:21:14 PM
Olm vom Schweinitzer DörfchenJohn this is a fantastic specimen of a DDR dog, and those last three digits in his rating..
DDR 137251
WZ 6546/54
SchH.3
1984-Jan-7
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VOlmvomSchweinitzerDrfchen.jpg)
Shows he has a strong nrevous system... Great dog..!
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 10, 2012, 05:24:13 AM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Zorro-von-der-Wildsau-----ww6iWOesrbdLR0cIeXrJgBmcUDRqk5uOS3vpcd2Cn4g.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 10, 2012, 07:01:35 AM
Great dog Zorro in looks and rating..
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 10, 2012, 07:01:47 AM
FH SchH.3
DDR 98683
Male 1978-Apr-13
Ex vom Riedstern 3-4
* - Breed (Edda vom Falkenwappen-Drusus vom Falkenwappen,Cornett vom Falkenwappen) 4-5,5
Greif vom Felsenstein 4-5
Halla vom Baruther Land 4-4
Cieta vom Baruther Land 5-5,5
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/jackstephanstalddr.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 10, 2012, 07:07:18 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 10, 2012, 08:28:19 AM
DDR 114742
Male 1980-Aug-31
FH SchH.3
Ex vom Riedstern 3-4,5
Seigo aus der Espenstätte 4-5
Greif vom Felsenstein 4-5
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/GBelamivomKabuschsee.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 10, 2012, 02:08:19 PM
OMG, Facebook is driving me crazy, I was looking for the "like" button. :pc: :dizzy::grin:
Post by: ben on October 10, 2012, 02:14:16 PM
Olm vom Schweinitzer DörfchenNice one indeed, gorgeous structure!
DDR 137251
WZ 6546/54
SchH.3
1984-Jan-7
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VOlmvomSchweinitzerDrfchen.jpg)
John I really like this one you posted on Facebook, really really like it!! (This is a bigger picture)
Bac alten Wassermühle
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NQbP4OzEB7M/UHSTYq3UzPI/AAAAAAAAAsY/DXQAL4Bc1FU/s878/Bac.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 10, 2012, 02:27:51 PM
Nice one indeed, gorgeous structure!Bac is Nice......
John I really like this one you posted on Facebook, really really like it!! (This is a bigger picture)
Bac alten Wassermühle
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NQbP4OzEB7M/UHSTYq3UzPI/AAAAAAAAAsY/DXQAL4Bc1FU/s878/Bac.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 10, 2012, 02:34:45 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 10, 2012, 02:39:18 PM
Pedigree link
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=427001
Post by: ben on October 10, 2012, 02:45:53 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 10, 2012, 02:51:06 PM
he seems to have been a somewhat smaller type dogcould just be the photo he is in grass almost to his first joint
Post by: ben on October 10, 2012, 02:56:59 PM
could just be the photo he is in grass almost to his first jointI guess that's true.. He's a Held grandson, do you know what sort of body size and weight Held had?
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 10, 2012, 03:09:00 PM
Just medium tall, medium strong, expressive male with good harmony and lines, firm and tight in structure. Striking head with firm ears and dark eye. Well flowing and firm topline with good angulation of front and rear. In all gaits he brings free motion with powerful action. He should not fill out any more in the lowerchest. Of his parents type.
Kör 544 7/43-1980
Knapp mittelgroßer, mittelkräftiger, ausdrucksvoller Rüde mit guter Harmonie und Linie, fest und geschlossen im Gefüge. Markant im Schädel mit festen Ohren und dunklen Augen. Gut verlaufende und feste Oberlinie, mit guten Winkelungen der Vor- und Hinterhand, bringt er in allen Gangarten freies Gangwerk mit kraftvollen Aktionen. In der Unterbruct darf er nicht mehr werden. Steht im Typ seiner Eltern.
limebreeding
Edda vom Falkenwappen,Carmen vom Falkenwappen,Condor vom Falkenwappen-Condor vom Falkenwappen) 4,5,5-4
Greif vom Felsenstein 4,5-4
Post by: ben on October 10, 2012, 03:10:19 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 10, 2012, 03:14:17 PM
I guess that's true.. He's a Held grandson, do you know what sort of body size and weight Held had?No size listed for any of the H litter vom Ritterberg
Post by: Man Stopper on October 10, 2012, 05:58:01 PM
OK, I guess that means he was in the 35-40 Kilos range..I would say that 38 - 40 kg when they were at 2 years of age..
It states that Held v Ritterberg was just medium tall, medium strong..
Bero vom Friedersdorfer Flur, passed onto Titus Pohranicni straze,Black and even Fatyma Pohranicni had this build which she puts most males to shame, with her overall strength..
Also if you look at Klocklow's Lex,Quai and Quindt vom Barutherland, have this type of structure..
I began to study the DDR lines initially mainly around the lines steming via Ex v Riedstern and Held v Ritterberg was in my eyes 'A CLASS'..! Its the head/body strength and underchest development,with proportional height to weight ratio, which gives it an appealing look.. Every photo of Titus we have seen displays power...And am sure the power within was much more.....! :rockon:
Post by: Man Stopper on October 11, 2012, 12:06:12 AM
Another dog i noticed who has Ex v Riedstern multiple times in the first 5 generations.. :rockon:
Post by: Man Stopper on October 11, 2012, 07:26:36 AM
Quai vom Baruther LandQuai scored a seven in his temperment, which means he is relaxed friendly and 'sensitive'..
11.12.1982
DDR 130512
SchH2
Kör 6547/33
P - Litter from vom Haus Himpel(Pushkaß-Pele) 3-4
H - Litter from vom Haus Himpel(Hanka-Hanko) 3-4
Ex vom Riedstern 4,5-4
Bero vom Krügers Hof 5-5
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/66581_sm.jpg)
What is meant by sensitive ???
Post by: ben on October 11, 2012, 07:28:43 AM
What is meant by sensitive ???I think it means "handler-sensitive". With some dogs you can work the hard way, kick along the way etc, other dogs are very good in protection etc but get easily "ofended" when handled somewhat harder. That is, if the handler is someone the dog is actually friends with.
I am not 100% sure but I think that's what it refers to.. I could be wrong..
Post by: Man Stopper on October 11, 2012, 07:37:48 AM
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 03:14:09 AM
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/65542_544185038930143_329471659_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 03:16:11 AM
or recieving strikes from helper when working...Based on some online readings, It sounds like most or many DDR dogs are like that (handler sensitive)... What can I say, I'd rather my dog was"handler sensitive" but a real fighter when dealing with an aggressor. Rather than a dog who can be kicked, hit etc during training, but backs off when the pressure level is high.
That's why I love a dog who has a true fight on the inside, regardless of other aspects, drive etc etc..
Daca ar fi sa ma iau dupa ce-am mai citit online, majoritatea sau multi caini DDR sunt mai sensibili fatza de handler. Acuma ce sa spun... prefer un asemenea caine, dar care duce o upta reala cu un agresor, decat un caine care primeste fara probleme suturi si/sau ghionturi in timpul antrenamentului dar bate in retragere cand simte ca o sotuatie mai intensa il depaseste.
De-aia imi plac cainii care poarta LUPTA in ei, indiferent de cat drive sin altele au sau n-au.
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 03:23:24 AM
Oh man she looked superb! A somewhat rather dry body but plenty strength in it :rockon: and the head and expression are quite special!Cliff daughter if I'm not mistaken. :cool:
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 03:35:20 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/VBJassJamirexCS.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/HELDVOMRITTERBERG.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 03:47:56 AM
Rex von der Bahrener Höhe
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XSUzFVgogHU/UHajF0N7B9I/AAAAAAAAAsw/Jt-9O-nZNdI/s542/Rex+von+der+Bahrener+H%C3%B6he.jpg)
Don vom Fürstendamm - not that impressive in looks but that expression somehow tells me this was a sharp dog..
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-brYHgFEt5WU/UHajHPlbc8I/AAAAAAAAAtE/ro23-FGzFGA/s899/Don+vom+F%C3%BCrstendamm.jpg)
Don vom Schieferschloß
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-92jvBsYMWwc/UHajHkIhYwI/AAAAAAAAAtI/HgTWFKBFdiI/s909/Don+vom+Schieferschlo%C3%9F.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 03:48:42 AM
Here is another photo of Jass. I like the way he looked, in this one I say he actually resembles a lot with Held.That's very true!
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 03:59:57 AM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-xWB5wxrD0GI/UHakvO9uXUI/AAAAAAAAAtQ/enDSWJK9Mjw/s784/Brix+aus+der+Peterstra%C3%9Fe.jpg)
Bero vom Baruther Land
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MAEsa2XpkFY/UHalumLkOsI/AAAAAAAAAtY/n3u16CvYVbY/s877/Bero+vom+Baruther+Land.jpg)
and how about this one Ingo v Rangental :rockon:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZC6e9QJrBH4/UHamdyUbluI/AAAAAAAAAtg/GjfYSoFfku4/s942/Ingo+vom+Rangental.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 04:08:17 AM
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 04:15:29 AM
It hurts my eyes to see how they desperately wanted to position the dog in "pose" mode :cheesy:
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/144403.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 04:16:32 AM
Henk vom Woltersee (aoleeeu.. ma doare sa vad cum au tinut musai sa-l fandeze..........................)Da, arata groaznic pe spate din cauza asta... cainele se vede ca e superb de altfel, dar l-au pus foarte prost in pozitie.
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 04:20:40 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/137082.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 04:21:15 AM
Da, arata groaznic pe spate din cauza asta... cainele se vede ca e superb de altfel, dar l-au pus foarte prost in pozitie.Da, aduce mult a Rex Haus Iris in poza asta.. e un caine frumos, uite ce capatzana are :cheesy:
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 04:22:37 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/HASSANVONDENHASSELWIESEN.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 04:23:16 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/43510.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 04:23:48 AM
Hassan von den Hasselwiesen (fiu de Held).Asta la fel, daca e ne-fandat pun pariu ca arata mult mai bine..
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 04:25:18 AM
Asta la fel, daca e ne-fandat pun pariu ca arata mult mai bine..Mie mi se pare ca arata chiar foarte bine pus in pozitie. Nu mi se pare sa fi fost "fandat" excesiv.
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 04:27:53 AM
Asta imi place ca expresivitate, Lord vom Wachberg
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/121268.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 04:29:51 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/Black-von-Babylon-----80QvbUkvfV0dHmvNKnjmFNFXsn1yB44Rdn6pHUWgekw.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 04:31:37 AM
O poza mai "noua" cu Black von Babylon.LIKE
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/Black-von-Babylon-----80QvbUkvfV0dHmvNKnjmFNFXsn1yB44Rdn6pHUWgekw.jpg)
Olm vom Schweinitzer Dörfchen, uite-l frate cum arata......
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/137251.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 04:34:59 AM
Olm vom Schweinitzer Dörfchen, uite-l frate cum arata......Superb.
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 04:35:47 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/KORNETTVONBASKAVILL.jpg)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/26659.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 04:41:58 AM
Condor von der Gottgauer Mühle
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/104665.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 04:46:28 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/147381.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 04:50:27 AM
What about this girl (Ingo daughter) ?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lZ37pCCe3nk/UHaxygM6OEI/AAAAAAAAAP0/TFPNVXXB_1w/s787/PETRA%2520VON%2520DER%2520ELBALLEE.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 04:51:08 AM
Condor von der Gottgauer MühleNice!
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 04:51:30 AM
Ce ziceti de femela asta (fiica de Ingo) ? :cool:
What about this girl (Ingo daughter) ?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lZ37pCCe3nk/UHaxygM6OEI/AAAAAAAAAP0/TFPNVXXB_1w/s787/PETRA%2520VON%2520DER%2520ELBALLEE.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 04:55:46 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/117522.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 04:57:09 AM
Dux von Zinnsteig, frumos caineImi place mult cainele asta, l-am postat si eu chiar recent daca nu ma insel.
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 12, 2012, 06:41:39 AM
DDR FH SchH.3
Ex vom Riedstern 3,4-5
Gomo vom Osterberg 3-5
Shoulder height Chest depth Chest circumference Weight
65 cm / 25.6 in 27 cm / 10.6 in 77 cm / 30.3 in 37.0 kg / 81.6 lbs
Large, medium strong, can be interpreted overall. Normal withers, firm back, short croup. Humeral short schrägerliegen, should hindquarters gewinklet good front incorrect. Follow close behind step, priority should be free. Being sure, hardness, courage, and fighting drove pronouncedly;.
Kör.87: designed in all parts of croup, long, sloping, upper arm position is not objectionable, front correctly. Step sequence almost straight precedence freely
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/1672935.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 12, 2012, 08:50:00 AM
I like the Sire of this dog 'Berry von Christelas' he looks like he had a powerful head...!
Post by: prototype on October 12, 2012, 08:54:38 AM
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 09:42:07 AM
Imi place foarte mult Dux von Zinnsteig ca si constructie. Dar cred ca si culoarea e faina.Hmm... as crede ca e un sur maroniu...
Armin vom Mendele son of Berry von ChristelasNice looking dog!!
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 09:42:38 AM
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 10:25:57 AM
Interesting to see the chest circumference/depth being measured, never seen that before..Hey Reg, talk about Berry v Christelas, check out this son of his
I like the Sire of this dog 'Berry von Christelas' he looks like he had a powerful head...!
Gero vom Markersdorf :cool:
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/124953.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 11:32:13 AM
Kass vom Reiterturm
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/143499.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 11:34:23 AM
Boris vom Brandenstein
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/141656.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 11:43:45 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/64860.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 12:02:44 PM
Sandor vom Rundeck
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/68018.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 12:06:23 PM
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 12:07:24 PM
Ultimii doi i-ai mai postat, iar pe Gero l-am postat eu acum ceva vreme. :)ahh.. scuze.. ::shy::
Post by: guest on October 12, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
ahh.. scuze.. ::shy::Oh, no need to apologize, I was just sayin'... :)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 12, 2012, 01:45:28 PM
20.03.1987
DDR 154880
C - Litter from vom Marderpfahl(Cora-Condor) 5-3
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/154880.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 12, 2012, 02:17:33 PM
DDR 173029
Female 1990-Apr-20
SchH.3
...
4 - 3............................................. in V Bero vom Baruther Land
5 - 4............................................. in V Falko vom Bootshaus
5 - 4............................................. in V Laura vom Baruther Land
Large, powerful, highly pigmented stresses and expressive, well-running, solid topline, good withers, normal length and situation of the croup. The underbust something emphasizes straight front, something close succession. Good angulations in front and rear, room-filling gait in good equilibrium, powerful action of the hindquarters. Nature surely, hardness, courage and combat impulse pronouncedly; from leaves.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VOlitavomSiegesberg.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 12, 2012, 02:39:20 PM
1985-08-26 24. DDR Meisterschaft 1985 Ruhland
Gerd Käckemeister (Handler)
100 -90- 95=285
SchH 3
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Ayk-vom-Kppernitztal-----t9A1WiKRrGUMBy1xEqKRKnhT-OBqauuPqJuMiTygsg4gif-1.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 12, 2012, 03:33:08 PM
Olita vom SiegesbergThis bitch is ideal and a total package in my view.. :rockon:
DDR 173029
Female 1990-Apr-20
SchH.3
...
4 - 3............................................. in V Bero vom Baruther Land
5 - 4............................................. in V Falko vom Bootshaus
5 - 4............................................. in V Laura vom Baruther Land
Large, powerful, highly pigmented stresses and expressive, well-running, solid topline, good withers, normal length and situation of the croup. The underbust something emphasizes straight front, something close succession. Good angulations in front and rear, room-filling gait in good equilibrium, powerful action of the hindquarters. Nature surely, hardness, courage and combat impulse pronouncedly; from leaves.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VOlitavomSiegesberg.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 12, 2012, 03:39:08 PM
'Female 1977-Feb-14
DDR 90894
FH3 PSH1 SchH.3
DDR Siegerin 1980
Kör 5546/34
Linebreeding - 5 generations
2 - 2............................................. in V Condor vom Marderpfahl
5 - 5............................................. in Julex Preußenblut
4 - 4............................................. in V Greif vom Felsenstein
3 - 3............................................. in V Ex vom Riedstern
3 - 3............................................. in Gerda vom Lütschetal
4 - 4............................................. in V Dux von der Schockengrube
4 - 4............................................. in SG Edda vom Falkenwappen
4 - 3............................................. in V Fred vom Falkenbruch
5,5 - 5........................................... in Gundo vom Stolper Land
4 - 4............................................. in Dixi vom Lütschetal
5 - 5............................................. in V Jutta vom Hildakloster
5 - 5............................................. in V Barry vom Andershofer Ufer
5 - 4............................................. in V Rigo von der Schiebockmühle
5 - 5............................................. in V Freya vom Flutgraben
5 - 5............................................. in V Ingo vom Maienplatz
5 - 4............................................. in Bea von der Rauener Bergen
5 - 5............................................. in Doris von der Wilden Gera
5 - 5............................................. in Fee von der Grunauer-Mühle
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VGrittvonderRobertsburg.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 12, 2012, 04:21:05 PM
And also another dog close on Ex v Riedstern 3 - 3
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 09:06:42 PM
Ayk vom Köppernitztal kind of looks like Lord G in that picture.
...and my goodness that Gritt is packed with line breeding :cheesy: like most good dogs of the past are, actually.
I know some brederes nowadays advertise their pups on their web sites with lines such as "no line breeding at all!" obviously indicating theyir view on line breeding is not a positive one. They should check pedigrees of past dogs more often I think.
Post by: ben on October 12, 2012, 09:21:01 PM
Not the best one to exemplify, but here's one:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Gupdx6F2oag/UHeaUmqP_rI/AAAAAAAAAts/6y0b1IntssU/s600/DSC_7737.JPG)
I'll try and get a similar one (position wise) at the next photo shoot.
Post by: guest on October 13, 2012, 06:39:42 AM
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/644680_544940612187919_1372860810_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 06:42:45 AM
Litta's ElgaUnde le gasesti? :cheesy: Frumoasa si asta...
Cliff vom Haus Andersohn - aduce putin a Jass Jamirex
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/39000.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 06:45:54 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/34118.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 13, 2012, 06:50:24 AM
Unde le gasesti? :cheesy:Pe asta de la John! :cool:
Frumos si Cliff cat si Bodo!
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 06:53:50 AM
Grand von der Ziegelwiese
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/136717.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 06:55:44 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/63475.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 06:58:15 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/124732.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 07:18:42 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/46811.jpg)
Si asta tot asa, cam aceeasi trextura/look..
Hanko vom Haus Assja
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/108439.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 07:33:35 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/29405.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 13, 2012, 07:40:01 AM
Cam lung gatul ala, dar e interesant cainele.. Tell vom VogelhausCa si corp seamana foarte mult cu Tara (spate, piept, picioare)...
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 07:41:38 AM
Erko von der Weisenmühle
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/20324.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 07:42:23 AM
Ca si corp seamana foarte mult cu Tara (spate, piept, picioare)...Cred ca daca avea gatul mai scurt arata mult mai bine, sau cel putin mie mi-ar fi placut mai mult.
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 07:45:51 AM
Fels vom Rummelplatz
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/142572.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 07:49:39 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/712252.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 07:52:00 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/80553.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 07:53:57 AM
Ex vom Hünenkessel
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/96996.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 13, 2012, 07:58:35 AM
Si asta-mi place mult, Ringo vom Marongstein
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/46811.jpg)
Si asta tot asa, cam aceeasi trextura/look..
Hanko vom Haus Assja
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/108439.jpg)
DDR 46811 -
1969-Dec-18-
FH1 SchH.2
linebreeding
Jutta vom Hildakloster 3-4
Rigo von der Schiebockmühle 4,5-3
Ali von Gränert 4-5,5
Rolf aus dem Urnenkeller 5,5-4
Utz vom Haus Hiller 5-5
Kör 5547/33
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 08:11:11 AM
Charly
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/93235.jpg)
Daus
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/140082.jpg)
Derrick
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/95782.jpg)
James
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/112074.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 08:15:24 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/126744.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 08:18:31 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/139163.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 08:21:10 AM
John would you happen to know Yago's height and weight..?
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/1856920.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 08:31:21 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/156646.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 08:33:13 AM
Jasso vom Gerfalken
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/148559.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 13, 2012, 08:41:45 AM
Yago v Eldorado, posibil sa-l mai fi postat. Arata interesant cainele..Petra Kowallik owned him i use to speak with her when Yago was alive but to old to breed never kept anything from him she may have bred him once he died in 2007
John would you happen to know Yago's height and weight..?
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/1856920.jpg)
SchH3, IPO3, FH2,RTH
Kl. 2 HD-ZW 85
SV 1856920 Tatoo#X-D 0333
1992-Oct-3
height/weight: 65 cm/42 kg
Ex vom Riedstern 5-5,5
P - Litter from vom Haus Himpel(Pushkaß-Pele) 5-5
Post by: prototype on October 13, 2012, 11:23:20 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 13, 2012, 11:24:12 AM
Ce capatzana pe asta.. imi place dar etotusi disproportionat (sau poate e poza facuta aiurea). Tiger vom Haus MandtMan thats a big head..!!
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/156646.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 13, 2012, 11:31:40 AM
Linebreeding
Ingo von Rudingen 3-3
Pushkaß vom Haus Himpel 4-4
Cliff vom Bleichfleck 4-4
Cay vom Echoberg 4-4
C - Litter from vom Marderpfahl(Cora-Cora,Condor) 5-5,5
Ex vom Riedstern 5,5-5,5,5
Bernd vom Lierberg 5,5-5
Gomo vom Osterberg 5,5-5
Post by: guest on October 13, 2012, 11:42:40 AM
Frumos si asta, Ole vom Eichsfelder LandImi place mult de tot cum arata cainele asta. Am postat si eu aici (http://canisa-zimbris.com/forum/index.php?topic=110.msg35859#msg35859) o poza mai mare cu el.
Mai imi place mult si Tiger vom Haus Mandt, nu mi se pare deloc disproportionat.
De pe pagina cealalta imi plac toti, sunt unul si unul! Erko, Bill, Cay, Ex (postat recent si de catre John) cat si cainii de la Ratstanne. Superbi!
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 13, 2012, 12:24:35 PM
Female 1978-Jul-13
DDR 100292 SchH.2
Shoulder height Chest depth Chest circumference Weight
60 cm / 23.6 in 26 cm / 10.2 in72 cm / 28.3 in 32.5 kg / 71.7 lbs
The aver. Frame format and standing quite expressive bitch, full of harmony and form, and firmly closed. Free ground covering movement with powerful actions. The ear is set well, firm and of normal size. Good angulation with firm Muskulatur.Steht in type d dam. Very safe behavior with very good sharpness and hardness.
- Report in West Körbuch 83 licensing Potsdam 08.11.80, Koerkommission Preller / Kressmann Wertmeßziffer: 5545
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/100292.jpg)
linebreeding - 5 generations
4 - 5............................................. in V Greif vom Felsenstein
4 - 4............................................. in V Xito vom Baruther Land
5 - 5............................................. in V Halla vom Baruther Land
5 - 5,5........................................... in V Fred vom Falkenbruch
5 - 5............................................. in Gundo vom Stolper Land
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 13, 2012, 01:23:49 PM
1981-10-19
DDR 122613
Linebreeding - 5 generations
Cay vom Echoberg 3-3
Burga vom Osterberg 4,5-5
Xito vom Baruther Land 4-5
Ex vom Riedstern 5,5-4,5,5
E - Litter from aus dem Bibertal(Eddi,Eddi,Esche-Eddi) 5,5,5-5
* - Breed (Carmen vom Falkenwappen-Edda vom Falkenwappen) 5-5
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/BackVomGrfental.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 13, 2012, 01:25:06 PM
Back vom Gräfental:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 01:40:08 PM
Nu-mi place niciunul de pe pagina asta. In schimb, pe pagina 90 majoritatea sunt foarte faini, in frunte cu Hanko vom Haus Assja.Pe pagina asta imi place Ole (primul de sus) iar Yago imi pare interesant.. are expresivitatea unui caine vestic (probabil pozitionarea urechilor ma fac sa spun asta).. dar again, imi pare un caine interesant, cred ca sa-l vezi pe viu ar fi o experienta cu totul diferita.
Pe ceilalti i-am postat ca au capatzanile alea strong. Pe corp nici pe mine nu ma dau pe spate, din nou, cu exceptia primului de sus.
height/weight: 65 cm/42 kg:rockon:
I asked about those details because he looks to be small, based on that picture.
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 01:48:01 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/126964.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 01:51:21 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/149855.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 13, 2012, 01:53:40 PM
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 01:59:27 PM
Post by: guest on October 13, 2012, 02:00:22 PM
Hmm.. probabil Jim mai mult decat Kliff.. pt mine... :rolleyes:Si pentru mine, dintre cei doi clar il prefer in primul rand pe Jim.
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 02:03:22 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/121520.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 13, 2012, 02:03:56 PM
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 02:13:18 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/135989.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 02:27:37 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/50355.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 13, 2012, 02:28:44 PM
Fiu de Ex Riedstern, Kornett aus der Blütenstadt
:love:
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 02:34:20 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/108684.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 02:36:44 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/76771.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 13, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/GlennvomUrstromtal2.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 02:53:20 PM
Glenn Urstromtal, nepot de Held & Ingo.Uite alta poza cu el. Zici ca e alt caine :grin:
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/143096.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 13, 2012, 02:55:08 PM
Post by: ben on October 13, 2012, 02:58:03 PM
In asta a doua mi se pare cam prea "ondulat" ...Da. Ca sa vezi cata diferenta poate face o poza, sau pozitionarea pt pozat.
Post by: guest on October 14, 2012, 12:14:09 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/dargositz.jpg)
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 14, 2012, 01:59:59 AM
Post by: ben on October 14, 2012, 02:05:48 AM
::omg:: ::omg:: ::omg:: :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy: :wall: :wall: :wall::lol: :yes:
Post by: prototype on October 14, 2012, 03:04:36 AM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 14, 2012, 03:38:32 AM
Interesant caine, Iwo von der Leinequelleimi place...Ca e inalt :pretty:
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/76771.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 14, 2012, 05:35:44 AM
The mysterious DDR dogs Foker v.d. Mosigkauer H?he DDR and Zoldara listed as his daughter But bred to him at the only pedigree found(http://www.working-gsd.narod.ru/pedigree_ROKSI_eng.htm) Can you find this lost DDR bloodline????????
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/FokervdMosigkauerHohe.jpg)
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Zoldara.jpg)
http://www.working-gsd.narod.ru/pedigree_ROKSI_eng.htm
Post by: guest on October 14, 2012, 08:47:45 AM
Anyway, in this pedigree I also saw two dog names that I found some time ago and I liked the dogs very much : Vega (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=533223) & Kent-Guld (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=533203)
Just look at that female, Vega, she is one strong bitch! :rockon:
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 14, 2012, 09:28:48 AM
John, you made me curious so I started to look out on this dogs. This could may be Zoldara's pedigree : http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=533225The black dog in the photo i posted is Zoldara it looks close to the link you have here . There is a photo of a young dogs with a boy who is from breeding Foker v.d. Mosigkauer H?he DDR and Zoldara i should have saved it. The ped link you sent also has matching dogs i think you found it.You are good at this also it is interesting doing this research.
Anyway, in this pedigree I also saw two dog names that I found some time ago and I liked the dogs very much : Vega (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=533223) & Kent-Guld (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=533203)
Just look at that female, Vega, she is one strong bitch! :rockon:
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 14, 2012, 09:44:00 AM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/chava.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 14, 2012, 09:47:04 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 14, 2012, 10:16:19 AM
Dargo von den Thüringer KronjuwelenGreat looking dog, and his son Caleb von Schraderhaus is also a super DDR dog to look at..
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/dargositz.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 14, 2012, 10:29:58 AM
Great looking dog, and his son Caleb von Schraderhaus is also a super DDR dog to look at..Caleb passed away early April of this year, if I'm not mistaken. :Sad:
Post by: Man Stopper on October 14, 2012, 10:34:12 AM
Caleb passed away early April of this year, if I'm not mistaken. :Sad:I never new that, i used to read through the PDB often and have spoken to Jenny the owner of Caleb, but its been a while.. I only visit this Forum now really, and its been all good with you guys and yourself Thara.. :cool:
Post by: guest on October 14, 2012, 10:40:09 AM
I never new thatI performed a search now on Database just to make sure I'm not saying something wrong : http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/comments.read?dogid=448102
I only visit this Forum now really, and its been all good with you guys and yourself Thara.. :cool::beer:
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 14, 2012, 11:03:05 AM
I performed a search now on Database just to make sure I'm not saying something wrong : http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/comments.read?dogid=448102You never get much from Jenn Caleb had bad hips that is why she never bred him.Dargo was not good for giving good hips. And He was bounced from kennel to kennel i think 4 before he was kept. I do not know why
:beer:
Post by: guest on October 14, 2012, 11:04:17 AM
You never get much from Jenn Caleb had bad hips that is why she never bred him.Dargo was not good for giving good hips. And He was bounced from kennel to kennel i think 4 before he was kept. I do not know why:Sad:
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 14, 2012, 11:13:20 AM
Dorit Von Der Hube is a half brother to Dargo with a better bloodline she was used
to produce many good police dogs. I had a great daughter from her
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=122425
Post by: Man Stopper on October 14, 2012, 08:13:06 PM
Reg My friend brought in this female from the Haus Antverpa kennelVon Forell had some stock from haus Antverpa Kennels.. Von Forell Whisky who's paternal Grandsire is Zorro v Lae...
Dorit Von Der Hube is a half brother to Dargo with a better bloodline she was used
to produce many good police dogs. I had a great daughter from her
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=122425
But not much was produced back in the early 90's..
So was it Anne's Camillo that was used because of his character, to reproduce Police type dogs..?
Post by: guest on October 15, 2012, 09:29:20 AM
Xito Baruther Land granddaughter (maternal side)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/710370.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 15, 2012, 09:49:59 AM
SCHH3 FH3 PSH3
KOR.6443/44
DDR/118730
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5 - 5............................................. in V Greif vom Felsenstein
5,5 - 5,4,5....................................... in V Fred vom Falkenbruch
4 - 4,4........................................... in V Cort vom Hof Argied
5 - 5,5........................................... in SG- Freia vom Haus Lucia
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VArkoVonDerSiebenbornerFlur.jpg)
Post by: prototype on October 15, 2012, 02:00:36 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 15, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
Linebreeding - 5 generations
4,4 - 5........................................... in DDR JUNG SGR V1 Dolf vom Hechtbrunnen
3 - 5............................................. in V Ohle vom Rundeck
4 - 5............................................. in Conny vom Stephanstal
Dog 12/14/90
Bred by Jorg Klockow
Ohle v Rundeck SchH II
V-Artus v.d. Westendhohe SchH II
Grit v. Stephonstal SchH I
Sire: V-Zorro vom Laager Wall SchH III FH
Cliff v. Laager Wall SchH III
Lady vom Laager Wall SchH II FH
Dunja v.d. Inselwache SchH I
Nils v. Stephanstal SchH I
V-Iran v.d. Buschecke SchH III FH
Cessy v.d. Buschecke SchH I
Dam: Burga v Tannenkrug SchH I
V-Artus v.d. Westendhohe SchH II
Klockow's Erit SchH II FH
Klockow's Asta FH
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/KlockowsWasdy.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 15, 2012, 10:19:22 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 16, 2012, 02:21:26 PM
FH FH2 SchH.2
Sire Born : 01. April 1983
DDR 132163
Kör.: 5547/33
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5,4 - 4,5,5....................................... in V Ex vom Riedstern
5 - 5............................................. in V Dux von der Schockengrube
5 - 5............................................. in SG Edda vom Falkenwappen
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/CharlyausJoachims-Tal.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 16, 2012, 02:26:16 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 16, 2012, 02:34:32 PM
SCHH I
16. November 1978
DDR 103043
ZTP 5443/22
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5 - 4............................................. in DDR SIEGER 62/63 V1 Condor vom Falkenwappen
5 - 5............................................. in V Jutta vom Hildakloster
5 - 5............................................. in V Barry vom Andershofer Ufer
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VDDR-NW-BESTE1979FantavonderRatstanne.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 16, 2012, 05:00:36 PM
26. March 1996
SZ 1957906
Linebreeding - 5 generations
4 - 5............................................. in V Pushkaß vom Haus Himpel
Sire
Dux vom Haus Käding
SCHH3(DDR LGA),
FH3,RH2,
KÖR.5443/34
Dam
Tanja vom Sybillenhof
SCHH1 DDR
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Ginger-von-der-Old-Lady-----t9A1WiKRrGUQNm8J1sSlrkzG-T2S9Yy5I3UNqT-wSsU.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 16, 2012, 05:06:06 PM
SCHH 2
14. August 1999
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/SGSimavomSchferliesel.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 16, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Post by: Romul on October 16, 2012, 11:29:12 PM
John i must say you a true legend,where and how you come up with these nostalgic photo's is beyond me.
Would love to see other pic's of Held vom Ritterberg as he is my all time favorite looking DDR dog,
if anyone has any pic's of him could you please post them as i'm sure everyone on the forum would
love to see them.
Regards
Sam.
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 01:04:24 AM
Sima vom SchäferlieselI think Sima is just as good as Held v Ritterberg.
SCHH 2
14. August 1999
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/SGSimavomSchferliesel.jpg)
And also the last two photo's of these females, i noticed that the fourth digit on there temperament rating..They both have a score of three.. As i have recently mentioned that a score of three is not seen very often..
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 01:19:47 AM
Early to mid 80's, line breeding on Ex Riedstern... I wonder what must feel like back in those times.. probably like owning gold!Stobar Hardt, Security Pekahiah and Security Lex... are dogs we had here in Australia 2 decades ago, who were linebred multiple times on Ex v Riedstern..
Even though these dogs had West GSD lines, they still to a degree inherited some DDR traits.. These are the dogs that i would like to revive back to some degree.. Mad Maxx genetics...!
Post by: ben on October 17, 2012, 06:05:23 AM
Hehe.. I like the old style of work/training, somewhat more rough, not as "delicate" as more recent techniques..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWYGyY7wmlE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH_GzxHhj-Y
Post by: ben on October 17, 2012, 06:18:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF-EnKI-e_M
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 08:17:35 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 17, 2012, 09:58:57 AM
Male 1996-Dec-22
SchH.3 IP3
Father Duran vom Weidegang SV 1871877
Mother Hanni vom Baggerschacht SV 1884601
<<< Use this dog for virtual breeding >>>
Shoulder height Chest depth Chest circumference Weight
64 cm / 25.2 in 33 cm / 13 in 86 cm / 33.9 i
Linebreeding - 5 generations
4 - 5............................................. in V Artus von der Westendhöhe
3 - 4............................................. in V Zorro vom Laager Wall
4 - 5............................................. in SG Lady vom Laager Wall
Übermittelgroßer, sehr knochenkräftiger Rüde mit kraftvoller Schädelbildung. Normaler Widerrist, etwas kurze Kruppe, gute Winkelungen und Brustbildung, korrekte Front. Gerade Schrittfolge, guter Vortritt, Nachschub sollte wirksamer sein. TSB ausgeprägt; läßt ab.
About average size, very powerful dog with powerful bone of skull. Normal withers, slightly short croup, good angulations and chest training, correct front. Just coming and going, good reach, supply should be more effective. TSB pronouncedly;.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/PaschavomBaggerschacht.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 17, 2012, 11:41:18 AM
DDR
Sandy v. Baggerschacht
Linebreeding - 5 generations
* 5,5 - 5........................................... in V Ingo von Rudingen
* 5 - 5............................................. in V Cliff vom Bleichfleck
Xandro v.Baggerschacht
Linebreeding - 5 generations
* 5 - 4............................................. in V Artus von der Westendhöhe
* 4 - 2............................................. in V Bob von der Neptungrotte
* 4,5 - 3........................................... in V Zorro vom Laager Wall
* 5 - 3............................................. in V Xari vom Nordplatz
* 5 - 4............................................. in SG Lady vom Laager Wall
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Sandy-Xandro.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 17, 2012, 01:02:32 PM
1999-06-28
SchH3, IPO3, FH1 Kl.2
Shoulder height Chest depth Chest circumference Weight
63 cm / 24.8 in 29 cm / 11.4 in 80 cm / 31.5 in 29.0 kg / 63.9 lbs
Father Pascha vom Baggerschacht SV 1981087
Mother Eilien vom Miersdorfer See SV 1887499
Medium-sized, medium-bodied, very dry and firm. Good head and expression, normal withers with bend behind, short, well positioned croup. The upper arm should be longer, well angulated hindquarters, normal breast formation, correct front. Goes front and rear bodeneng liquid transitions shows with good supply, the priority should be free and it falls on the forehand. Sure temperament, TSB pronounced, from leaves.
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(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/BriscoGussowerFlie.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 17, 2012, 01:25:15 PM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/vomBaggerschacht.jpg)
Sandy "vom Baggerschacht" 3Jahre, Xandro "vom Baggerschacht" 1 1/2 Jahre, Pascha 4Jahre "vom Bagerschacht
Post by: ben on October 17, 2012, 01:32:08 PM
Brisco vom Gussower Fließ is one good looking dog!
Pascha does seem to have his sire's body type.
Post by: ben on October 17, 2012, 01:32:52 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 17, 2012, 01:50:27 PM
"Slightly short croup" - I keep seeing that in working line dogs and makes me wonder, is there an expectation from judges that the average GS dog should have a longer croup but really there would be no justification / reasoning for that? Maybe just pure preferences..?He does (Pascha) does not have to have the same body type.Brisco is the results of combining to different bloodlines
Brisco vom Gussower Fließ is one good looking dog!
Pascha does seem to have his sire's body type.
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Post by: Johnsk9 on October 17, 2012, 01:52:13 PM
Those Bagerschacht dogs look big!You actually have a film clip with some Bagerschacht dogs back in the DDR
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 17, 2012, 01:55:54 PM
He does (Pascha) does not have to have the same body type.Brisco is the results of combining to different bloodlinesPascha is more on the Zorro- Artus type
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Artus
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/ArtusvonderWestendhhe.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 07:23:31 PM
Those Bagerschacht dogs look big!Ye that Pascha has a real Stud look about him, unique /original indeed..
They have great broad chest from front and heads to match.. Look at the size/strength of those 18 month year olds.. :rockon:
Excellent photo's John thanks again..
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 07:37:17 PM
Don't know who this black GSD is but I like the fight he puts out, nice civil attitude..I believe its 2 differant dogs in this clip, they are out of Security Pekahiah(Norse) and Kris trained these dogs many hours in the day... He used Norse semen in 2010 and has a Bi Colour Male from what i read, sounds promising and a Stud at Von Forell Kennels..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF-EnKI-e_M
Post by: ben on October 17, 2012, 10:15:01 PM
All these dogs are in Casso's bloodline multiple times, so i strongly feel that its a better than good foundation for workability..!Well then, you're all set to go :rockon:
Post by: ben on October 17, 2012, 10:17:10 PM
You actually have a film clip with some Bagerschacht dogs back in the DDRHmm.. which video are you referring to, I wonder.. is it the one of the working trial in the DDR?
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 10:20:02 PM
Well then, you're all set to go :rockon:In theory yes, keep the line close as possible..
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 10:28:39 PM
Security PekahiahAt the 2.37 (effective spot to bite) :grin: & 4.25 minute mark shows the drive and intensity this dog had, it is a game to him which he loved and would do some damage, suit or NO suit.. Norse was a legendary dog in working dog circles here in Australia as the main pre potent producer of Law Enforcement dogs... Pity there is only a handful of his genetics around these days..
Hehe.. I like the old style of work/training, somewhat more rough, not as "delicate" as more recent techniques..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWYGyY7wmlE
Post by: ben on October 17, 2012, 10:43:25 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 10:46:52 PM
Von Forell has stored semen.. And was used 2010, a Bi Colour Male who is now 2 yearsf age, and from what i have read, has working ability.. Promoted as a Stud dog.. 'Von Forell Vulcan'
Post by: ben on October 17, 2012, 10:48:54 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 10:53:19 PM
He worked several of these dogs and has the video footage of these dogs, the one's posted on You Tube..
Great dogs Stobar Hardt ( Vulcan ) stored semen at Von Forell also..
Post by: ben on October 17, 2012, 11:00:21 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 17, 2012, 11:59:56 PM
Oh man now I am hooked up on finding the footage of the dog John mentioned..Pascha would be great to see on video, so this is working footage i presume..?
Post by: ben on October 18, 2012, 12:14:34 AM
so this is working footage i presume..?Well that depends on which dog John is referring to..
John, is it this pup?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUU9ra-KdXo
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 18, 2012, 03:46:29 AM
Well that depends on which dog John is referring to..No that is not it. It is in a clip from the dutch guy
John, is it this pup?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUU9ra-KdXo
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 18, 2012, 10:07:38 AM
Male 2001-Aug-15
SCHH3 (LGA) Kkl 1
Linebreeding - 5 generations
3 - 5............................................. in V Artus von der Westendhöhe
4 - 5............................................. in V Ingo von Rudingen
Shoulder height Chest depth Chest circumference Weight
65 cm / 25.6 in 27 cm / 10.6 in 78 cm / 30.7 in 33.5 kg / 73.9 lbs
Large, medium strong, very dry and solid, very well pigmented dog. Powerful head etw bright eye, high
Withers, very good topline, well positioned croup which should be slightly longer. Upper arm should be oblique, not very well angulated hindquarters, chest development complete, correct front goes back slightly narrow front
just liquid transitions, strong supply, limited precedence. Sure temperament, TSB pronounced, from leaves.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Basko-vom-Haus-Seefeldt-----ww6iWOesrbcoLKhuqH6vr7rcdTI8ERdEG2U1k20h18Y.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 18, 2012, 10:57:59 AM
No that is not it. It is in a clip from the dutch guyOK John it must be this one then. Powerful loking dog with very nice, sharp attitude! Some thick legs too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P30IerKkJ24
Post by: guest on October 18, 2012, 11:00:46 AM
Post by: ben on October 18, 2012, 11:04:47 AM
:rockon: :rockon: :rockon::salut: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
Imi place enorm cainele!! Are "tupeu"!
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 18, 2012, 11:05:44 AM
OK John it must be this one then. Powerful loking dog with very nice, sharp attitude! Some thick legs too!I think that is the Bagerschacht dog on the lead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P30IerKkJ24
Post by: ben on October 18, 2012, 11:13:29 AM
I think that is the Bagerschacht dog on the leadYes I think that too, the leg thickness and the ear positioning are a pointer. Awesome dog / attitude, I love watching it, it reminds me of the old dogs, over and over again...
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 18, 2012, 12:33:00 PM
27.04.1985
DDR 144403
SchH3
linebreeding
Bero vom Baruther Land ( 3 / 3 )
Falko vom Bootshaus ( 4 / 4 )
Laura vom Baruther Land ( 4 / 4 )
Pia vom Hasselgrund ( 4 / 4 )
Ex vom Riedstern ( 5 / 5 )
Hanko vom Haus Himpel ( 5 / 5 )
Werra vom Baruther Land ( 5 / 5 )
Xito vom Baruther Land ( 5 / 5,5 )
Elfe vom Gelben See ( 5 / 5 )
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/67354_im-1.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 18, 2012, 12:51:09 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 18, 2012, 12:56:45 PM
John that is one GOOD looking dog! :rockon:
Quindt vom Baruther Land son Man what could you do now with this dog
Post by: ben on October 18, 2012, 01:03:23 PM
Man what could you do now with this dogRevive the breed!
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 19, 2012, 03:06:09 PM
1975-Feb-6
DDR 77316
SchH.2
Kör 5445
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5,5 - 5........................................... in V Barry vom Andershofer Ufer
* - Breed (Jutta vom Hildakloster-Linda vom Hildakloster) 5-5
Father Grand vom Haus Himpel DDR
Mother Esche vom Haus Hamke DDR
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VSimavonHausStambke.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 19, 2012, 03:51:56 PM
Female 1975-Apr-26
DDR 78841
SchH.2
ZTP 5447/43
Kör 5446/44
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5,5 - 5........................................... in V Ali vom Gränert
5 - 5............................................. in Nora von Osterhagen
4 - 4............................................. in Brummer unter den Hergußregnern
Father Pushkaß vom Haus Himpel DDR
Mother Undi von der Augusta-Warte DDR
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/CitavonderBrandungsmauer.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 19, 2012, 04:06:38 PM
Male 1982-Sep-27
DDR 129493
FH FH1 SchH.3
Kör 5546/44
Father Held vom Ritterberg DDR 103314
Mother Cherry vom Karutzsee DDR 107907
Linebreeding - 5 generations
4,4 - 5,5......................................... in VA 3 Bernd vom Lierberg
4 - 5............................................. in V Kessa vom Haus Himpel
5,4 - 5,4......................................... in V Ex vom Riedstern
5 - 5............................................. in Gerda vom Lütschetal
5 - 5............................................. in V Dux von der Schockengrube
5 - 5............................................. in SG Edda vom Falkenwappen
3 - 4............................................. in V Pushkaß vom Haus Himpel
4 - 5............................................. in V Otty vom Haus Himpel
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/PitzovomWolkenstein.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 19, 2012, 05:21:03 PM
Male 1984-Dec-29
DDR 143254
FH FH1 SchH.3
Kör 6546/44
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5 - 4............................................. in V Burga vom Osterberg
5-5 ..............................................F - Litter from vom Falkenbruch(Falk-Fred)
Father Don vom Rolandsteich DDR 108760
Mother Nora vom Eldorado DDR 106585
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VLennvomkleinenMohr.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 19, 2012, 07:06:02 PM
Pitzo vom WolkensteinThis is the ideal look and bloodline in my opinion..
Male 1982-Sep-27
DDR 129493
FH FH1 SchH.3
Kör 5546/44
Father Held vom Ritterberg DDR 103314
Mother Cherry vom Karutzsee DDR 107907
Linebreeding - 5 generations
4,4 - 5,5......................................... in VA 3 Bernd vom Lierberg
4 - 5............................................. in V Kessa vom Haus Himpel
5,4 - 5,4......................................... in V Ex vom Riedstern
5 - 5............................................. in Gerda vom Lütschetal
5 - 5............................................. in V Dux von der Schockengrube
5 - 5............................................. in SG Edda vom Falkenwappen
3 - 4............................................. in V Pushkaß vom Haus Himpel
4 - 5............................................. in V Otty vom Haus Himpel
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/PitzovomWolkenstein.jpg)
Killer dog..!!!
Post by: ben on October 19, 2012, 09:18:13 PM
This is the ideal look and bloodline in my opinion..Hmm.. I think I like Lenn more but you may be right, Pitzo has a fine, sharp look about him..
Killer dog..!!!
Post by: Man Stopper on October 19, 2012, 10:15:35 PM
Hmm.. I think I like Lenn more but you may be right, Pitzo has a fine, sharp look about him..Lenn has that Don look about him, great dog..
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 20, 2012, 09:26:01 AM
Male 1968-Sep-20
SCHH1
DDR 41447
Kör 6546/44
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5 - 5............................................. in DDR-SIEGER 1952 Iran von der Buchenhöhe
Father Cay vom Hof Argied DDR 19684
Mother Jola von Christiensruh DDR 28408
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/UlkvonChristiensruh.jpg)
Post by: prototype on October 20, 2012, 09:51:31 AM
Hmm.. I think I like Lenn more...Me too. ;)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 20, 2012, 12:52:23 PM
Hair style
PSH1
DDR 82420
ZTP 5547/33
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5 - 5............................................. in Hedda von Colonia Agrippina
4 - 5............................................. in V Greif vom Felsenstein
2 - 2............................................. in V Mara vom Rundeck
3 - 3............................................. in DDR-SIEGER 1969 Xito vom Baruther Land
4 - 4............................................. in V Halla vom Baruther Land
4 - 5,4........................................... in V Fred vom Falkenbruch
5 - 5............................................. in V Cieta vom Baruther Land
5,5 - 5........................................... in Gundo vom Stolper Land
5 - 5............................................. in V Arko vom Riedersknapp
3 - 3............................................. in Blanka vom Paschenberg
4 - 4............................................. in V Marko vom Haus Lucia
4 - 4............................................. in Cella von Rheinbaben
5 - 5............................................. in V Rigo von der Schiebockmühle
5 - 5............................................. in Bea von der Rauener Bergen
5 - 5............................................. in V Fero vom Haus Marthold
5 - 5............................................. in Heidi vom Haus Lucia
Father Ohle vom Rundeck DDR 57963
Mother Sundra vom Rundeck DDR 68021
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/82420.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 20, 2012, 01:04:05 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 20, 2012, 01:31:20 PM
Dry looking bitch, powerful features. Oh man can I get a living Ohle Rundeck, please? Thank you!! :crying: :wall:Top of the Line bitch here
Post by: ben on October 20, 2012, 01:33:38 PM
Top of the Line bitch hereWhy do you think I used those specific emoticons.. She was gold I am sure, pure gold!
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 20, 2012, 02:02:26 PM
CKSP/91039
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5,5 - 5........................................... in V Vello zu den Sieben-Faulen
5,5 - 5........................................... in V Betty vom Eningsfeld
5 - 5............................................. in DDR SIEGER 62/63 V1 Condor vom Falkenwappen
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/BontPec-KarCS.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 20, 2012, 02:06:33 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 20, 2012, 02:13:16 PM
I see the z PS breeding station has used this dog for breedingDani i could not load the photo
Post by: ben on October 20, 2012, 09:36:03 PM
Dani i could not load the photoIcan see it. Maybe there's a aproblem with your browser..
Here it is
(http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/385729_548646415150672_166638032_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 21, 2012, 10:11:49 PM
(http://wdcontent13.working-dog.eu/Hans-von-Weltwitz-----orCK1MHD-UFtU144JL5sC1IiY99GVQ-frRd6hVLQk-U,.gif)
Post by: ben on October 21, 2012, 10:16:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=745rl9vSZEI
Post by: ben on October 22, 2012, 04:40:56 AM
(http://wdcontent13.working-dog.eu/Fin-von-der-Bismarcks%E4ule-----orCK1MHD-UGTSyOsvnRWURc9fdfFkmHpn9oUssSwm1s,.gif)
Post by: prototype on October 22, 2012, 04:47:39 AM
Post by: ben on October 22, 2012, 04:53:41 AM
(http://wdcontent13.working-dog.eu/Fin-von-der-Bismarcks%E4ule-----orCK1MHD-UGTSyOsvnRWURc9fdfFkmHpD5F7iGZlrbM,.gif)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 22, 2012, 09:10:33 AM
Post by: ben on October 24, 2012, 02:36:49 PM
Urs vom Kabuschsee
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/23919_550709961610984_461928345_n.jpg)
Post by: fabius.m on October 24, 2012, 05:48:04 PM
Post by: guest on October 24, 2012, 10:06:42 PM
Sa-mi trag una, ce frumos e...Chiar recent am vazut si eu poza si am vrut sa o postez dar am uitat! E superb! :rockon:
Urs vom Kabuschsee
Mai sunt doua namile care-mi plac de la vom Kabuschsee, Vladimir si Valtraud.
Post by: guest on October 24, 2012, 10:40:46 PM
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/580754_550723771609603_2014146198_n.jpg)
Post by: prototype on October 24, 2012, 11:19:04 PM
Post by: ben on October 24, 2012, 11:20:25 PM
Unkas vom KabuschseeCu bunicul de pe partea materna am vrut sa fac monta dar s-a stins destul de repede dupa ce am contactat crescatorul..
Post by: Man Stopper on October 24, 2012, 11:29:13 PM
Unkas vom KabuschseeThis is as blocky head as they come, plus he's a Bi Colour..!! :rockon: ;)
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/580754_550723771609603_2014146198_n.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 25, 2012, 07:43:33 AM
John was this dog supposedly a sharp type dog ??
Post by: ben on October 25, 2012, 09:09:12 AM
(http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/525717_551050781576902_1658747229_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 25, 2012, 09:11:13 AM
Ce chef de glume au unii.. cica "OST"
Obviously everybody can do everything and anything on PDB.... I am pretty sure many have no clue what OST actually means..
Post by: guest on October 25, 2012, 09:32:10 AM
Eros TrafalgaAm si eu o poza cu un caine cu numele asta, o fi tot el?
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/eros_trafalga.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 25, 2012, 09:39:23 AM
Post by: guest on October 25, 2012, 09:40:34 AM
vai cat imi place!:yes:
Post by: prototype on October 25, 2012, 09:49:53 AM
Post by: ben on October 25, 2012, 10:49:23 AM
Post by: prototype on October 25, 2012, 10:53:48 AM
Post by: ben on October 25, 2012, 11:03:07 AM
Ce-i drept are si o structura frumos construita.Seamana cu masculul cu care am scos cateii cu Axa, tatal lui Goku.
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 25, 2012, 12:32:25 PM
Seamana cu masculul cu care am scos cateii cu Axa, tatal lui Goku.e ala de la Sibiu, din centrul de dresaj, care pazeste depozitul acela? ala legat pe sarma?
Post by: ben on October 25, 2012, 12:35:44 PM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 25, 2012, 12:39:19 PM
Post by: ben on October 25, 2012, 12:40:42 PM
ala e etalon de CG frate...ETALON...fiecare fir de par de-al lui inspira puritate si originalitate. Eu daca as putea sa-mi construiesc CG-ul perfect, ala ar fi modelul... :rockon: Are un fizic de numai caine nu zici ca e...zici ca e lup mixat cu urs.Pai tu de ce crezi ca am "apelat" la el? :lol:
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 25, 2012, 12:42:32 PM
Pai tu de ce crezi ca am "apelat" la el? :lol::devil: din ala trebuie pastrata..."samanta"....ai ceva date despre parintii lui sau altceva? sunt chiar curios
Post by: ben on October 25, 2012, 01:04:37 PM
ai ceva date despre parintii lui sau altceva? sunt chiar curiosCIORANI, cel mai probabil sau, in fine, Sibiul, pe vremea cand aveau aur.
Post by: Man Stopper on October 26, 2012, 12:08:50 AM
... a nu se confunda cu jaful asta de pedigree http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=266039I guess as easy it is on PDB, its also the same at times when its on paper; as to how legitimate it truly is.. :undecided:
Ce chef de glume au unii.. cica "OST"
Obviously everybody can do everything and anything on PDB.... I am pretty sure many have no clue what OST actually means..
Am si eu o poza cu un caine cu numele asta, o fi tot el?Strong bone strength and looks original with markings on face.. And happens to come from the same kennel as
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/eros_trafalga.jpg)
Don v Trafalga who was imported into Australia in the mid 1970's, this is the bloodline which was responsible for above average dogs when combined with two DDR females who were also imported at the same time..
Post by: ben on October 26, 2012, 06:54:40 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/77316.jpg)
Si imi place si asta, Zobel vom kleinen Mohr
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/157591.jpg)
Si Xito Trafalga
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/159036.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 26, 2012, 06:58:18 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/26659.jpg)
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/81836.jpg)
Post by: prototype on October 26, 2012, 09:38:51 AM
Post by: ben on October 26, 2012, 09:44:42 AM
Sima imi place cel mai mult.Mie Sima si Kornett.
Post by: ben on October 26, 2012, 11:07:54 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/112074-1.jpg)
Respectiv poza postata de John pe FBook. Imi pare una si aceeasi, dar editata (nu mai e lesa si nrul)
(http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/253196_551631221518858_666715417_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 26, 2012, 01:22:20 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/123401.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 26, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
Post by: ben on October 26, 2012, 01:45:52 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/159400.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 26, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/148983.jpg)
Rocco vom Hexenkeller
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/159779.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 26, 2012, 02:20:05 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/42701.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 26, 2012, 02:25:23 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/100292.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 26, 2012, 02:33:28 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/68396.jpg)
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 27, 2012, 02:36:52 AM
Post by: ben on October 27, 2012, 06:27:41 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/108439-1.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 27, 2012, 12:26:40 PM
ZM, SP-PS, ZVV1
1977-Jul-10
DDR/93872
From Sv cd
#1...Treu was a smaller black/tan, exceptional retrieve. His off spring has been middle big, inteligent, 0/0 hips, with the interest for training, exceptional temprament.
4 D X Q 6 vyborny
#2....Treu was a smaller black/tan, exceptional retrieve. His off spring has been middle big, inteligent, 0/0 hips, with the interest for training, exceptional temprament.
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5,5 - 3........................................... in V Seigo aus der Espenstätte
5 - 4............................................. in V Fred vom Falkenbruch
5 - 5............................................. in V Jutta vom Hildakloster
5 - 5............................................. in V Barry vom Andershofer Ufer
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/VTreuvomSchferstolz.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 27, 2012, 04:50:32 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/123863.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 27, 2012, 04:54:46 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/73010.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 02:56:22 AM
Barras vom Gerfalken
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/127872.jpg)
Post by: prototype on October 28, 2012, 03:06:58 AM
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 03:57:26 AM
Condor, Hanko si Treu, au mai fost postati, sunt cei mai tari de pe pagina asta. :cool:Woof.. uite ca nici nu mai stiam.. De Treu da, stiu ca fost postat. cred ca de 2 ori chiar.
Post by: prototype on October 28, 2012, 04:00:22 AM
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 04:01:24 AM
Post by: prototype on October 28, 2012, 04:02:54 AM
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 04:04:17 AM
Si pieptul e mai mare.Nu mai stiu, nu l-am mai vazut de ceva timp pe Nero. Duce viatza frumoasa gagiul..
Saptamana viitoare voi mai face ceva filmari, vi actualiza ceva topicuri prin forum.
Post by: prototype on October 28, 2012, 04:05:36 AM
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 04:09:05 AM
Foarte bine, unele incep sa prinda paianjeni. :lol:Pai ce sa fac boss.. eu actualizez ce pot si eu.. asa cum vezi unele le tin fresh..
Ca o paranteza, imi place ca de cand am facut doar 2 sedinte de agitatie cu Hun, a devenit si mai alert in curte. Incerc cat pot de bine sa monitorizez comportamentul cainelui "DDR". De informat m-am informat foarte, foarte mult; acum incerc sa vad si cu ochii mei.
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 28, 2012, 12:46:41 PM
FH1.
ZTP 5546/34
JHKl.sg15
Father.:Held v. Ritterberg - Mother:Ossy v.d. Glockenheide
...
Judge Report: Gerhard Wiesel - Wolferode
The deep brown-black male has good average size. With strong skull and
dark eye he responds. Stand firm in the top line loses after prolonged exposure. The existing right of way through the upper arm position is not enough free.
The good working dog type he embodies. Image similarities he has yet to Nils
v. Stephanstal who is his paternal grandfather.
3.1 in H-litter registered, recorded them: Hassan 5447 g+
Hondo sg 5447, Halla 5447 sg
Linebreeding - 5 generations
5 - 5............................................. in V Esche vom Osterberg
5 - 3............................................. in V Mara vom Rundeck
5 - 5............................................. in V Ex vom Riedstern
5 - 4............................................. in DDR-SIEGER 1969 Xito vom Baruther Land
5 - 4............................................. in V Barras vom Wiener-Hof
5 - 4,5........................................... in V Falk vom Osterberg
5 - 5............................................. in Illa vom Baruther Land
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/5cfd92c51dd3f52fffff8d5aac144226.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 05:08:30 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/118159.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 05:11:04 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/126649.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 05:21:47 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/99303.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 05:27:22 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/131149.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 28, 2012, 05:32:56 PM
DDR/92828
Linebreeding - 5 generations
2 - 3............................................. in V Ex vom Riedstern
3 - 4............................................. in V Dux von der Schockengrube
3 - 4............................................. in SG Edda vom Falkenwappen
4 - 4............................................. in V Fred vom Falkenbruch
4 - 5............................................. in V Jutta vom Hildakloster
4 - 5............................................. in V Barry vom Andershofer Ufer
5 - 5............................................. in V Rigo von der Schiebockmühle
4 - 5............................................. in V Freya vom Flutgraben
4 - 5............................................. in V Ingo vom Maienplatz
5 - 5............................................. in Bea von der Rauener Bergen
5 - 5............................................. in Britta vom Haus Lucia
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/IlkasvdFenne.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 05:40:05 PM
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 05:43:24 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/84918.jpg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on October 28, 2012, 06:23:29 PM
DDR 116113
Male 1980-Oct-29
FH2 FH3 PFH1 PSH3 SchH.3
Linebreeding Ex vom Riedstern 3,4-4
Gomo vom Osterberg 3-3
Eddi aus dem Bibertal 5-4,5
Fred vom Falkenbruch 5,5-5
Seigo aus der Espenstätte 5-5,5
Kör 6547/33
Großer, kraftvoller Rüde mit markantem Schädel, aber etwas grösseren Ohren. Vorzügliche Oberline, sehr gute Winkelungen der Vor- und Hinterhand, gute Schrittweite und gute Aktionen trotz etwas enger Folge der Hinterhand. Steht im Mischtyp beider Linien.
6547/33
Large, powerful dog with a distinctive skull, but slightly bigger ears. Excellent top line, good angulations in front and behind, good pitch and good actions, despite a bit tighter due to the hindquarters. Is in mixed type of both lines.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/116113.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 28, 2012, 10:53:08 PM
Personal, Nathan imi place mai mult cum arata in poza asta :
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/NathanBlauenEngel.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
O mare parte din cainii de pe ultimele doua pagini au mai fost postati, unii chiar recent.Da, stiu.. dar cand dau de o poza mai buna a unui caine, imi place sa o re-postez.. ::shy::
Post by: prototype on October 28, 2012, 11:56:36 PM
Post by: ben on October 28, 2012, 11:58:15 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on October 29, 2012, 11:50:22 PM
Ilkas v. d. FenneStill say those who are closer to Ex v Riedstrern have much better topline (straight) and more of that 'old school' look about them..
DDR/92828
Linebreeding - 5 generations
2 - 3............................................. in V Ex vom Riedstern
3 - 4............................................. in V Dux von der Schockengrube
3 - 4............................................. in SG Edda vom Falkenwappen
4 - 4............................................. in V Fred vom Falkenbruch
4 - 5............................................. in V Jutta vom Hildakloster
4 - 5............................................. in V Barry vom Andershofer Ufer
5 - 5............................................. in V Rigo von der Schiebockmühle
4 - 5............................................. in V Freya vom Flutgraben
4 - 5............................................. in V Ingo vom Maienplatz
5 - 5............................................. in Bea von der Rauener Bergen
5 - 5............................................. in Britta vom Haus Lucia
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/IlkasvdFenne.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 29, 2012, 11:56:42 PM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/533390.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 30, 2012, 07:58:23 AM
Some not so common lines which we often would see..
Post by: ben on October 30, 2012, 08:10:13 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/haug.jpg)
But in my view the Trafalga kennel shot more for conformation rather than temperament...
Post by: ben on October 30, 2012, 08:15:41 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/42978.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 30, 2012, 08:27:27 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/710363.jpg)
Post by: prototype on October 30, 2012, 08:31:45 AM
Post by: ben on October 30, 2012, 08:38:05 AM
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=576871
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/576871.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 30, 2012, 08:38:35 AM
Are o constitutie faina Ulis, imi place.Da, e beton pe fizic cainele!
Post by: ben on October 30, 2012, 08:42:33 AM
Serko von der Fenne
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/576880.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 30, 2012, 08:43:59 AM
Serko von der FenneSuper! :rockon:
Post by: prototype on October 30, 2012, 08:47:08 AM
Dar de asta ce zici? Uite fizic aici..E construit frumos. ;)
Serko von der Fenne
Post by: ben on October 30, 2012, 08:57:55 AM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on October 30, 2012, 10:06:27 AM
Old school ca la carte, pe fizic. Nemo vom Schloß Zeziliacand ii vad asa perfecti imi vine sa-i mananc...culoare, forma, conformatie... :grin:
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/42978.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 30, 2012, 02:48:51 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/161779.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 30, 2012, 09:25:28 PM
Some really old stuff, Ulis iz Karpovyh Hutorov
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/710363.jpg)
Dar de asta ce zici? Uite fizic aici..These dogs should be more common in the next several years, deeper chest, thicker torso and slightly longer straight back.. The more i see these types the more i am visualising this type for breeding..
Serko von der Fenne
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/576880.jpg)
Post by: Schwarz on October 31, 2012, 12:26:16 PM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/58389.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 31, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
Treu vom Schäferstolz. Va place?A fost postat de mai multe ori, chiar si recent........
Post by: ben on October 31, 2012, 12:42:07 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/60236.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on October 31, 2012, 09:00:50 PM
Post by: ben on October 31, 2012, 10:55:06 PM
Mediceer he has been one of my favourite from the beginning when i first got into the DDR dog history..I can see why, at least as far as conformation :cool:
Post by: ben on October 31, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/YpsvomEichenplatz.jpg)
Post by: guest on October 31, 2012, 11:14:22 PM
Yps vom Eichenplatz:rockon:
Nice!
Post by: Man Stopper on October 31, 2012, 11:16:48 PM
I can see why, at least as far as conformation :cool:The expression and strength, plus the Bi Colour such as Held and Treu to name a few..
Post by: guest on November 01, 2012, 09:05:17 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/GrischavomSchwarzenMilan.jpg)
Post by: ben on November 01, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
Post by: ben on November 01, 2012, 01:48:30 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/124953-1.jpg)
Post by: guest on November 01, 2012, 02:11:59 PM
Post by: ben on November 01, 2012, 02:18:51 PM
Pe asta stiu sigur ca l-am mai postat eu. Chiar acum ma uitam la poza lui in Photobucket! :cheesy:Unii au mai fost postati dar re-postez atunci cand dau de poze mai bune ::shy::
Post by: ben on November 01, 2012, 02:27:33 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/11694.jpg)
Post by: guest on November 01, 2012, 02:29:59 PM
Post by: ben on November 01, 2012, 02:42:55 PM
Frumos cainele.Da, imi plac ultimii astia doi mult. Ah, unde sunt cainii trecutului.....
Post by: guest on November 01, 2012, 02:45:21 PM
Ah, unde sunt cainii trecutului.....:Sad:
Post by: ben on November 02, 2012, 12:49:18 PM
Post by: Sorin on November 02, 2012, 12:53:19 PM
Post by: ben on November 02, 2012, 12:57:21 PM
frumoasa demonstratie :grin:Uite-l si pe Steve al tau acolo, caini clasici black n tan ;)
Post by: guest on November 02, 2012, 01:09:27 PM
Post by: ben on November 02, 2012, 01:13:15 PM
SUPER!Da. Sunt convins ca in timp vor mai aparea filmari "old"..
Post by: ben on November 15, 2012, 03:43:05 AM
The dog lets go of the bite equipment quickly, if it was worked in defense (obviously what we see it's prey) maybe somethng rather sharp/civil would have come out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyRK1GZhdWY
Post by: ben on November 15, 2012, 04:03:08 AM
http://www.freiepresse.de/NACHRICHTEN/SACHSEN/Netzschkau-Raeuber-bedroht-Frau-mit-vorgehaltener-Waffe-artikel1440805.php
(http://www.freiepresse.de/DYNIMG/55/36/3305536_W700.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on November 15, 2012, 06:55:21 AM
Don't know the bloodline but here's a young DDR dog being worked for bite, first session. A bit too long a session I guess but everyone decides what they want to do. Nice looking dog, I am still for the east bloodlines when it comes to structure.Has heaps of prey, i dont know why i have read that DDR dont have prey.. I guess its not like the West/Czech dogs drive, but still this DDR dog went for nearly 5 minutes...
The dog lets go of the bite equipment quickly, if it was worked in defense (obviously what we see it's prey) maybe somethng rather sharp/civil would have come out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyRK1GZhdWY
This dog has height and strength with square structure..
Post by: ben on November 20, 2012, 06:59:36 AM
(http://wdcontent09.working-dog.eu/Ex-vom-H%FCnenkessel-----7nqt5_c-G3N6Xjp-87YtGV3v-8zjKr2hRbbiJUi7y4s,.gif)
Post by: guest on November 20, 2012, 07:03:25 AM
Post by: ben on November 21, 2012, 08:33:08 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/24340.jpg)
Bonte vom Neustädter Feld
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/133221.jpg)
Bojar vom Palermo
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/38983-1.jpg)
Post by: prototype on November 21, 2012, 08:37:13 AM
Post by: ben on November 21, 2012, 08:46:18 AM
Ce cap frumos are Bonte!M-a dus cu gandul la Boris Wiesenperle.
(http://wdcontent12.working-dog.eu/Boris-von-der-Wiesenperle-----t9A1WiKRrGXqBePAZnEGxd89d8LT0EK__dyFHLAqJA0,.gif)
Post by: guest on November 21, 2012, 09:13:33 AM
Post by: prototype on November 21, 2012, 09:53:29 AM
M-a dus cu gandul la Boris Wiesenperle.
Fain si el.
Post by: ben on November 29, 2012, 03:29:16 AM
Comentariile spun ca e un caine bun, atentator prost. Mi-e dor de anii in care nu trebuia decat sa gasesti omu' care sa puna cilindrul ala de manon pe mana; n-avea nevoie de lectii, cum sa tina mansonul, cum sa "poarte" cainele pe manson dupa ce a muscat... In ziua de azi se fac cursuri de "handler" in ring (costa bani) curs de atentator (costa bani), ce mai, totul e o industrie bine pieptanata.
Cand va incerca un hotz sa-mi calce casa, am sa-l intreb daca a parcurs cursuri de hotie, ca sa pot pune cainele pe el :lol:
Imi place Kai, are contact bun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyzuaQQDGeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U96OLWyWzzM
Post by: guest on November 29, 2012, 03:55:49 AM
Cand va incerca un hotz sa-mi calce casa, am sa-l intreb daca a parcurs cursuri de hotie, ca sa pot pune cainele pe el :lol::lol:
Post by: ben on December 01, 2012, 10:26:13 PM
Post by: ben on December 02, 2012, 12:35:39 AM
Post by: ben on December 03, 2012, 07:32:09 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ANI68MCINYg/ULtl64rBAwI/AAAAAAAAA94/d22gn6lI6uA/s443/Condor+vom+Haus+Christian.jpg)
Post by: prototype on December 03, 2012, 01:35:24 PM
Post by: ben on December 04, 2012, 03:17:47 AM
In tineretile sale nu arata asa bine.Anyway, din poze putem analiza un caine destul de putin... pe video se vede mai bine ce si cum dar bine-nteles, nimic nu se compara cu cainele pe care-l ai chiar in fazta.
Urat sau frumos, cainele are in spate sange tare, Pele Kiebitzmoor e chiar bunicul sau (Pele a apartinut unui ofitzer militar). Dar, din pacate are si ceva show vestic pe linia materna (strabunic, macar daca nu se gasea in primele 5 generatii), cam asa s-ar explica probabil look-ul cainelui.. M
Post by: ben on January 08, 2013, 10:01:37 AM
Post by: ben on January 08, 2013, 10:05:43 AM
Konan, from the same litter. My guess is they were trying to teach the dog to out on whistle and for that they used the second focus point, by using that agitator with a sleeve on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD4z8PfodxQ
Post by: ben on January 08, 2013, 10:21:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6rMxZjhKx8
Post by: ben on January 08, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
Post by: prototype on January 08, 2013, 02:49:03 PM
Konan, din acelasi cuib. Cred ca au vrut sa il invete lasarea la fluier ca altfel nu-mi explic nenea ala hranit cu mansonul menit sa schimbe focusul cainelui.Cainele este intors de la atentator la handler? Sport...
Post by: ben on January 08, 2013, 02:50:10 PM
Sport...Mda, cam toti au luat drumul "sport"....
Post by: prototype on January 08, 2013, 02:57:57 PM
Post by: istvan on January 08, 2013, 11:54:53 PM
Post by: ben on January 09, 2013, 12:04:36 AM
Mai, i-a castiga tu niste cupe si fa putin sport macar atit sa vezi ce si cum si dupa aia sa treci la real. Ca la calculator e usor sa faci sport sau antrenament. ;):grin: :beer:
Mai, omul poate a postat pt ca cunoaste cazuri reale, poate face apropos-uri catre anumiti oameni si/sau caini. :)
Cupele alea de cele mai multe ori, mai ales in anii mai recenti, exista pt a aprecia munca/efortul dresorului, nu neaparat calitatile cainelui. Un dresor bun face IPO si cu un caine care nu are asa numitele aptitudini pt paza si protectie.
Post by: prototype on January 09, 2013, 02:01:38 AM
Mai, i-a castiga tu niste cupe si fa putin sport macar atit sa vezi ce si cum si dupa aia sa treci la real. Ca la calculator e usor sa faci sport sau antrenament. ;)Nu am legatura cu dresajul profi, dar constientizez ca e foarte multa munca depusa. Mie nu-mi place cand vad filmari cu exercitii bine executate, cainii fiind prezentati ca buni de paza.
Acum, fiecare face ce vrea cu propriul caine. ;) Eu as face sport cu un cal, nu cu un caine.
Post by: ben on January 09, 2013, 02:03:33 AM
Eu as face sport cu un cal, nu cu un caine.Hmm.. interesanta afirmatie, cred ca asta ar provoca ceva dialoguri in lumea (internationala) a iubitorilor sportului canin (si nu ma refer la Agility).
Sunt de acord cu afirmatia respectiva. :beer:
Post by: istvan on January 09, 2013, 04:10:26 AM
Post by: ben on January 09, 2013, 07:28:11 AM
Cred ca se numeste sport gresit . Tu cat timp aloci satisfacerii nevoilor instinctuale ale cainelui ? Un caine tinut fara satisfacerea nevoilor in curte e mai fustrat decat unul care face antrenament zilnic. Este important sa faca ceva cu instinctele lui, nu are numai instinct de paza. Cu caii o sa lucrezi mai mult crede -ma. :) Nu este vorba de dresaj profesionist, este vorba de faptul ca ori intelegi necesitatile cainelui ori nu.Parerea mea de nedresor (desi mi-as putea lucra cainele singur daca mi-as bate capul iar pe Ben mi l-am format singur dupa cum am dorit, lucrurile se rezuma la pasiune, determinare si atentie la detalii/raspunsul cainelui).
Este numit "sport" pt ca.. asta este, un sport. :) Spun asta pt ca ceea ce cainele face de fapt, parcurge un set de exercitii, over and over again. Ramane sa confirme/infirme si alti dresori din forum. Tu de cand lucrezi cu cainele? Eu lucra, prin '93, '94, doar ca nu lucram in stil sportiv (SchH) si stilul vechi, mecanic (nu cu privirea sus, respectiv postura specifica antrenamentului de IPO/SchH etc). In cele mai multe cazuri si mai ales cu cainii CG mai recenti/moderni, care lucreaza mult in prada da, tot de sport este vorba; cainele fiind "disperat" dupa aport.
Nu caut sa sustin parerea lui prototype sau a oricarui altcuiva, e doar o parere personala, una cu ceva frustrari atasate, dar am tot vorbit despre lucrurile astea.
Sport ne-sport, important e, asa cum spui, sa lucrezi cainele; eu am timpul destul de full si urmeaza sa fie si mai si dar ma voi ambitiona sa lucrez cu cainii, mai ales ca atunci cand vezi raspunsul natural al animalului la anumiti stimulenti, parca te si provoaca la lucru pe tine, handlerul/proprietarul. :)
Post by: istvan on January 09, 2013, 08:47:16 AM
Post by: prototype on January 09, 2013, 08:52:00 AM
Cred ca se numeste sport gresit . Tu cat timp aloci satisfacerii nevoilor instinctuale ale cainelui ? Un caine tinut fara satisfacerea nevoilor in curte e mai fustrat decat unul care face antrenament zilnic. Este important sa faca ceva cu instinctele lui, nu are numai instinct de paza. Cu caii o sa lucrezi mai mult crede -ma. :) Nu este vorba de dresaj profesionist, este vorba de faptul ca ori intelegi necesitatile cainelui ori nu.Cred ca spatiul din curte la dispozitie, plus plimbari regulate si un aport in diferite situatii si cu diferite obiecte, e de ajuns.
Probabil ca daca de mic cainelui ii este stimulat in exces instinctul de prada, el va avea o sete de lucru in asta.
Pentru mine un lucru e clar: cainele meu nu va pupa nicio competitie. Nu am timp de umblat si nici n-as avea vreo satisfactie sa castig chestii cu el. Poate dresorul, eu nu.
Cu caii e altceva. E distractiv sa-i urmaresti in concursuri, e palpitant. Eu mai merg vara uneori sa vad asa ceva.
Post by: istvan on January 09, 2013, 09:01:58 AM
Post by: guest on January 09, 2013, 09:07:43 AM
Post by: istvan on January 09, 2013, 09:12:44 AM
Post by: guest on January 09, 2013, 09:14:11 AM
Post by: ben on January 09, 2013, 09:22:04 AM
Pana una alta sa mai adaug si eu ceva.
Unii vor caine ca sa lucreze cu el, cum esti tu Istvan :) altii vor caine cu scop predominant de paza si protectie (viatza de curte, hai sa-i spunem asa) si atunci nu putem fi de acprd in toate pt ca fiecare are asteptari si scopuri "personalizate". Exact asa cum un crescator (care are in minte anumite aspecte) nu se va intelege la perfectie cu un simplu detinator/proprietar de caine (un singur caine), tot asa si cand vorbim de CE anume vrem sa obtinem cu cainele, scopul si mijloacele de atingere vor fi diferite.
La randul meu nu vreau sa lucrez in amniera sportiva decat pana la un punct, atata cat sa se vada anumite calitati pe care stiu ca unii le cauta, fie la individ fie la linia de sange.
Post by: ben on January 20, 2013, 03:28:29 AM
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/399136_435559736506780_1274428608_n.jpg)
Post by: prototype on January 22, 2013, 11:35:59 AM
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u385/prototypon/CG/Caini%20DDR/LareckvdGrauenMonstab.jpg)
Post by: ben on January 22, 2013, 01:34:58 PM
Post by: ben on January 22, 2013, 04:14:33 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iUu128dcY7s/UP3Lv01235I/AAAAAAAABLU/ylrL1nqOzXg/w248-h319-n-k/Basko%2Bvom%2BHaus%2BSeefeldt.jpg)
Post by: prototype on January 23, 2013, 03:04:03 AM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on January 23, 2013, 03:14:48 AM
Basko vom Haus Seefeldt - frumos caine.oooo....frumos black & tanezu...Ce-mi place cum tine urechile
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iUu128dcY7s/UP3Lv01235I/AAAAAAAABLU/ylrL1nqOzXg/w248-h319-n-k/Basko%2Bvom%2BHaus%2BSeefeldt.jpg)
Post by: guest on January 23, 2013, 02:20:42 PM
(http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/72815_481083991937612_853543001_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on January 23, 2013, 02:33:23 PM
Post by: ben on January 27, 2013, 01:25:02 PM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7G7OrMhDvHA/UQQ7AlbB2bI/AAAAAAAABPY/EjgC9qSvATE/s401/ddrgrenze2.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-xglDt-M4Sg4/UQQ7AlajQGI/AAAAAAAABPc/lCaoUzL3-vY/s584/ddrgrenze3.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d4u02dgDz_A/UQQ7BJajdMI/AAAAAAAABPk/02f0e9Xu1Gk/s716/ddrgrenze4.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-86DR9ZZG8Sk/UQQ7AuuNkwI/AAAAAAAABPg/GvpXtVqMQa0/s474/ddrgrenze1.JPG)
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 11:01:16 AM
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379674_488353317894088_499801061_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 11:06:14 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mVGylMYDaxc/UQVseY04cOI/AAAAAAAABQM/yggkzpzvS28/s800/Fred%2520Wartenberg%2520Jan%25202013.jpg)
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 11:07:38 AM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-q_64dbBcFOQ/UQVs0WgnYSI/AAAAAAAABQk/rr2sNmfa0DU/s720/Vera%2520Flossgraben%2520Jan%25202013.jpg)
Post by: prototype on January 28, 2013, 11:23:59 AM
Fred v Wartenberg (care recent urma sa se stinga pt ca a avut provocari mari in sectia sanatate)
Dar acum e bine, nu?
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 11:24:38 AM
Dar acum e bine, nu?Da, acum vorbeam pe FBook cu proprietarul :)
Inca una cu Fred
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4DAmxArf-2E/UQVwp9kFG6I/AAAAAAAABRE/day6TH_zsyk/s800/Fred%2520Wartenberg%2520Jan%25202013%25202.jpg)
Post by: guest on January 28, 2013, 11:25:34 AM
Post by: prototype on January 28, 2013, 11:25:56 AM
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 11:27:24 AM
Arata bine cu blana de iarna.Da, imi place si mie. Eu sper sa ajung sa-l si filmez.. cand m-am dus dupa Briska am ajuns pe la 3 dimineata si n-am mai vrut sa deranjez oamenii...
Post by: prototype on January 28, 2013, 11:28:47 AM
Cu Lareck nu e nicio poza noua?
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 11:38:42 AM
Lareck nu e al lor, nu stiu daca e prin apropiere de ei.
Post by: prototype on January 28, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 11:45:51 AM
Eu am si cautat pe net o filmare cu ceva actiune cu Fred, dar n-am gasit.Vreau sa ajung eu pe la Fred si inca 2 caini DDR sa le fac filmare si .. o monta, dar toate la vremea lor.
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 11:48:43 AM
Post by: prototype on January 28, 2013, 11:52:01 AM
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 11:52:19 AM
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 12:20:57 PM
Cu Lareck nu e nicio poza noua?uite mi-a trimis una
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4-CU_-Rz-ug/UQWpt-gzUTI/AAAAAAAABRg/0dQfjYUd5cg/s576/lord%2520ddr.jpg)
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 12:47:31 PM
Post by: prototype on January 28, 2013, 02:23:44 PM
uite mi-a trimis una
Nu vad nicio poza...
Post by: prototype on January 28, 2013, 02:24:50 PM
Am discutat si despre Fred, inca nu e complet vindecat, abia in vara se planuieste antrenament din nou si se pare ca vom vedea si video.Suna bine. ;)
Post by: ben on January 28, 2013, 03:27:43 PM
Nu vad nicio poza...Ar trebui sa se vada acum...
Post by: guest on January 31, 2013, 02:21:57 AM
Post by: ben on February 02, 2013, 01:10:19 AM
Lito Trafalga - video in profilul de working dog. Pe w-dog e nevoie sa fiti inregistrati ca sa puteti vedea clipuri video iar unele din ele sunt doar pt membri platitori (premium members).
http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/32337/Lito-von-Trafalga
Post by: ben on February 03, 2013, 04:22:20 AM
(http://wdcontent09.working-dog.eu/Endira-aus-demTempel-der-Ceres-----7nqt5_c-G3MrbLlDtPmKPm2Z5Gria3-NWAzCOAN5I2I,.jpg)
Post by: prototype on February 04, 2013, 06:25:15 AM
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u385/prototypon/CG/Caini%20DDR/AronvPoppitz_zps39bf349d.jpg)
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u385/prototypon/CG/Caini%20DDR/AronPoppitz_zpsd760c4b2.jpg)
Post by: guest on February 04, 2013, 06:27:26 AM
Sper ca n-au mai fost postate.Ba da. :lol: Dar lasa ca nu-i nici o problema! Cele postate inainte erau ceva mai mici, din cate retin. :)
Post by: prototype on February 04, 2013, 06:29:45 AM
Adevarul e ca nici n-am verificat.
Post by: guest on February 04, 2013, 06:35:05 AM
Post by: ben on February 04, 2013, 06:39:35 AM
Post by: prototype on February 04, 2013, 06:40:35 AM
Post by: ben on February 04, 2013, 06:42:54 AM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on February 04, 2013, 06:47:54 AM
iar black n tan-ul cum am tot spus are un loc aparte pt mne. :):party: :toast: :cngr: beer2 :laugh: :laugh:
Post by: ben on February 04, 2013, 06:48:59 AM
:party: :toast: :cngr: beer2 :laugh: :laugh::grin: ......... mica :lol:
Post by: ben on February 04, 2013, 06:49:17 AM
:grin: ......... mica (fill in the blanks) :lol:
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on February 04, 2013, 06:51:18 AM
Post by: prototype on February 04, 2013, 06:53:14 AM
Si mie. Ca si culoare cred ca nu-mi place surul ala mai deschis vazut la unele exemplare.. in rest imi plac cam toti iar black n tan-ul cum am tot spus are un loc aparte pt mne. :)
Probabil ca aici a contribuit si o inima care a miscat un anume corp imbracat intr-o blana de culoare respectiva. :rolleyes:
Post by: Man Stopper on February 04, 2013, 12:44:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02HWwHHzNo4This dog is in my dog Casso bloodline multiple times in the first 5 generations, Kurt was 1 tough dog.
He was a trained Working Security dog in the mid 80's..
Look at the way he grips that sleeve and spits it out to pursue the helper...
This is the type of dog that is not so common these days unfortunately,he was very well balanced..
Post by: ben on February 06, 2013, 10:01:12 AM
This is the type of dog that is not so common these days unfortunately,he was very well balanced..Sounds like there's a real need for these dogs in Australia.. I had several bloaks emailing me during the last 2 months or so, about this..
Post by: ben on February 06, 2013, 10:03:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBJ0b-40wec
Post by: Man Stopper on February 07, 2013, 11:54:37 PM
Sounds like there's a real need for these dogs in Australia.. I had several bloaks emailing me during the last 2 months or so, about this..Well I hope I get the exclusive genetics down to Australia, all the way from Eastern Europe.. :rockon:
Post by: ben on February 08, 2013, 12:34:35 AM
Well I hope I get the exclusive genetics down to Australia, all the way from Eastern Europe.. :rockon::cool:
Post by: guest on February 09, 2013, 01:44:18 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/589111.jpg)
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on February 09, 2013, 08:47:25 AM
Post by: ben on February 09, 2013, 01:26:01 PM
Post by: ben on February 09, 2013, 02:13:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPw2VtDu6oQ
Post by: guest on February 09, 2013, 10:20:18 PM
Ce cap frumos are!Asta e un tip de cap care-mi place foarte mult.
Post by: guest on February 09, 2013, 11:37:35 PM
Post by: ben on February 10, 2013, 05:39:17 AM
Post by: prototype on February 11, 2013, 02:52:30 AM
Post by: ben on February 11, 2013, 04:03:06 AM
Caine vechi, dar nu impresioneaza cu nimic.Daca te referi la Grischa, oricum are show vestic pe linie materna; dar in aceeasi perioada/competitie, sigur au concurat si alti caini "vechi" si cel putin pt mine este si va fi fascinant sa vad cainii "vechi" lucrand, fiecare cu cat o impresiona.
Post by: ben on February 11, 2013, 03:48:02 PM
Post by: ben on February 12, 2013, 11:47:10 AM
Post by: guest on February 12, 2013, 11:51:53 AM
Post by: ben on February 12, 2013, 11:54:04 AM
Filmari de acest fel apar mai rar, dar le "gust" de fiecare data. Au ceva aparte.Me too.. orice legat de cainii "vechi", ma atrage (mai putin ce-au facut cei doi bruder'i, evident).
Post by: ben on February 26, 2013, 08:36:54 AM
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/734547_504231506306269_398737729_n.jpg)
Post by: prototype on February 26, 2013, 09:23:19 AM
Post by: ben on March 01, 2013, 12:26:43 AM
Bosco Der Blitz Von Mira, police dog with 3 active live bites, doesn't look like much in terms of build, please post videos of him at work if you come across any online.
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/572347.jpg)
Post by: guest on March 01, 2013, 12:32:08 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on March 04, 2013, 08:58:05 AM
Bosco Der Blitz Von Mira, caine politist cu 3 muscaturi pe viu, nu pare cine stie ce pe fizic.. daca gasiti ceva filmari cu el pe net, sa le postati va rog, vreau sa-l vad la lucru.Most of the smaller dogs tend to have bigger ???? When it comes to serious behaviour..
Bosco Der Blitz Von Mira, police dog with 3 active live bites, doesn't look like much in terms of build, please post videos of him at work if you come across any online.
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/572347.jpg)
Post by: ben on March 05, 2013, 01:27:40 PM
Most of the smaller dogs tend to have bigger ???? When it comes to serious behaviour..:grin: that's actually true man...
Post by: ben on March 05, 2013, 01:27:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=745rl9vSZEI
Post by: ben on March 07, 2013, 01:23:46 PM
(http://vombanachk9.homestead.com/bass.jpg)
Post by: ben on March 10, 2013, 06:37:35 AM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SAaugTfvdAc/UTs6ACnf3lI/AAAAAAAAB6s/K-yT6Y2I2yE/s605/ddrgrenze5.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Muuzq7ypALY/UTs6A8SKmEI/AAAAAAAAB64/KrBhG2lyYsc/s848/ddrgrenze6.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1B-hYiU8kNw/UTs6BthyQDI/AAAAAAAAB7A/4FT6u9joIWk/s848/ddrgrenze8.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QreT5gGPTZI/UTs6CLxV9II/AAAAAAAAB7E/rnizaFZpcf0/s848/ddrgrenze7.JPG)
Post by: ben on March 10, 2013, 06:47:45 AM
Post by: guest on March 10, 2013, 08:00:15 AM
Post by: prototype on March 11, 2013, 01:41:55 AM
Post by: guest on March 11, 2013, 01:44:34 AM
Post by: prototype on March 11, 2013, 01:46:49 AM
Post by: ben on March 11, 2013, 04:53:22 AM
Post by: hora on March 11, 2013, 04:59:04 AM
Post by: guest on March 11, 2013, 05:05:06 AM
Primul meu cg, al carui tata a fost la o unitate militara din zona Ploiestiului, arata exact ca asta din poza.Ai vreo poza cu el? Mi-ar placea sa-l vad.
Post by: hora on March 13, 2013, 01:41:00 PM
Post by: ben on March 13, 2013, 01:45:11 PM
Post by: guest on March 13, 2013, 02:13:20 PM
Primul meu cg, al carui tata a fost la o unitate militara din zona Ploiestiului, arata exact ca asta din poza.
Ai vreo poza cu el? Mi-ar placea sa-l vad.Despre asta este vorba.
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 14, 2013, 06:10:08 AM
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 14, 2013, 11:59:47 AM
Post by: ben on March 14, 2013, 12:41:03 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 14, 2013, 03:47:54 PM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on March 15, 2013, 03:05:46 AM
But then again, this is the purpose they served, before we made pets out of dogs we actually utilized them. Somebody should write a big speech on that and wake people up with it. While I'm on it.. I am thinking, why the heck don't people get teddy-bears if al they want is some nice fur to pet and sweet eyes to gaze into.. :cheesy::yes: :bravo: :rockon: :beer:
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 15, 2013, 12:19:15 PM
Post by: ben on March 15, 2013, 12:24:34 PM
Post by: prototype on March 15, 2013, 12:26:59 PM
Post by: ben on March 15, 2013, 12:30:48 PM
What a face! :cheesy:Probably mad some sticks got stuck in its teeth :grin:
Post by: ben on March 15, 2013, 12:39:30 PM
(http://img.webme.com/pic/z/zwingervomlandsberg/alk%20ddr%20meisterschaft%2073%20-%20schutzdienst.jpg)
Post by: prototype on March 15, 2013, 12:46:16 PM
Post by: ben on March 15, 2013, 12:56:11 PM
Pai nu e Landsberg?Sit-ul da, nu neaparat cainele.. :)
Post by: guest on March 15, 2013, 01:02:01 PM
Post by: prototype on March 15, 2013, 01:03:31 PM
Post by: guest on March 15, 2013, 01:05:29 PM
(http://img.webme.com/pic/s/sv-meiningen/d.zickleralk1973.jpg)
Post by: guest on March 15, 2013, 01:06:17 PM
Ah, ce mi-ai luat-o inainte! :lol::lol:
Post by: prototype on March 15, 2013, 01:07:58 PM
(http://img.webme.com/pic/z/zwingervomlandsberg/alk%20-%20standbild.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on March 15, 2013, 01:57:17 PM
Asta e de pe site-ul canisei.
(http://img.webme.com/pic/z/zwingervomlandsberg/alk%20-%20standbild.jpg)
Post by: guest on March 15, 2013, 11:55:08 PM
This dog looks very short with a long neck, or maybe its a not so good photo angle..It's the same dog from the pictures above.
Post by: guest on March 16, 2013, 04:25:50 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/537906.jpg)
Post by: guest on March 16, 2013, 04:30:56 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/1879939.jpg)
Post by: prototype on March 16, 2013, 04:36:37 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on March 16, 2013, 07:34:04 AM
It's the same dog from the pictures above.Thanks Thara
A picture can most times give us a different view or opinion on a dog, just like people good on photo but not in person_or vice versa..!!Just like the recent photo of Bero Friedershof..
A totally different looking dog, he and Held Ritterberg I've liked in looks and bloodline -Ex v Riedstern.!!!
Really the coat on this DDR Male, gives them that extra powerfull look .. Especially when they have a thick head and wide deep torso/chest.. i
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/bild11_dzickleralk74.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on March 16, 2013, 07:46:11 AM
Yak vom Hagenberg, stranepot de Zorro pe linie paterna.Great looking dog, unique in many ways..!
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/537906.jpg)
Post by: ben on March 17, 2013, 12:09:57 AM
Great looking dog, unique in many ways..!
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/537906.jpg)
Yeah he looks unique indeed, really nice pigment too..
Gerry von Weltwitz
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/1879939.jpg)
Arata super dar nu-mi place sangele.. altfel deja contactam proprietarul. Cand l-am vazut am fost aproape sigur ca e fiu sau nepot de C Gerauffer dar iete ca n-am nimerit-o. :cheesy:
Post by: ben on March 17, 2013, 12:13:52 AM
Cred ca el este : http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/178247/Alk-vom-Landsberg
Ah, ce mi-ai luat-o inainte! :lol:Bravo, eu nu mi-am batut capul.
Uite ca ai avut dreptate, chiar cu Landsberg in coada era numele cainelui :grin:
Post by: prototype on March 17, 2013, 01:22:49 AM
Post by: ben on March 17, 2013, 01:49:29 AM
Gerry von WeltwitzAhh.. cat imi place cainele.. pigment, marcaje frumoase, postura placuta, oase sanatoase..
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/1879939.jpg)
Post by: guest on March 18, 2013, 12:15:18 PM
(http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/554016_580655678611115_584892954_n.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on March 18, 2013, 09:43:20 PM
Looks good in photo for his age.
Post by: ben on March 19, 2013, 02:49:42 AM
So far, Held seems (to me) to be top producer, MANY if not most progeny are good or above good.
Post by: ben on March 19, 2013, 06:59:56 AM
Post by: ben on March 19, 2013, 08:18:41 AM
(http://www.musterknaben.net/images/siegerpruefung1987.jpg)
Post by: ben on March 19, 2013, 09:02:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLZeeYKru98
Post by: guest on March 23, 2013, 01:26:38 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/123933.jpg)
Post by: ben on March 23, 2013, 04:23:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6rMxZjhKx8
Post by: prototype on March 23, 2013, 04:42:56 AM
Post by: ben on March 23, 2013, 04:44:22 AM
Post by: prototype on March 23, 2013, 04:49:17 AM
Alta treaba cu caii. Dau cate un obstacol jos, ori refuza sa-l sara, si cateodata fac si mofturi de se ridica in doua picioare. :)
Post by: ben on March 23, 2013, 05:05:53 AM
Eu am mai zis, competitia canina nu mi se pare deloc palpitanta. Parca ma uit la o drama. :lol:Mie-mi place cand un caine lucreaza impresionant, cand vorbim de competitie. Dar din perspectiva crescatorului, tinand cont ca se monteaza mult cu "campioni" carenu vor transmite titluri de campion, sunt dezamagit. Cum spune John, "caini care urmaresc o minge si musca un manson" (cam astea-s vorbele lui).
Post by: prototype on March 23, 2013, 05:11:31 AM
Post by: ben on March 23, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
Se si promoveaza foarte mult chestia asta ca: ia-ti caine din acele exemplare care au calitati de lucru. Corect. Dar vin eu si intreb, calitatile astea de lucru se masoara doar intr-o competitie, unde cainele participa dupa ce a fost "indoctrinat"? Sau mai trebuie sa te uiti si la alte lucruri?Omu' nu sta sa judece in asa "profunzime"..
Am auzit pe multi cu afirmatii "e fiu de campion", iar daca intreb campion la ce, ramane omu' asa usor in aer, nu stie ce sa raspunda si probabil raspunsul care automat se naste in mintea lui e "campion la Ciobanesc German".
Oamenii nu sunt informatii, punct.
Fold don't think things through that far..
Many a time I heard fols saying things like "my dog's sire is a champion" and then if I asked champion of what, they kind of stare at me not knowing what to answer but very likely the answer in their mind is "GSD champion".
People know crap, that's fact.
I like this young bitch.
Imi place catelusa asta (Xantia vom Parchimer Land)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFlZU_Irz30
Post by: prototype on March 23, 2013, 01:05:05 PM
(http://east-german-shepherds.weebly.com/uploads/3/4/5/6/3456169/9892355.jpeg)
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 23, 2013, 01:06:49 PM
Post by: Johnsk9 on March 23, 2013, 01:10:24 PM
Jipsi vom GrafentalThese are from Jipsi Son Bret
http://canisa-zimbris.ro/forum/index.php?topic=733.0
http://canisa-zimbris.ro/forum/index.php?topic=735.0
Post by: prototype on March 23, 2013, 01:13:34 PM
Bret is out of Indy and Jipsi.
Post by: ben on March 23, 2013, 01:41:45 PM
This is Enno?Cu boticul ala se vede ca e femelutza.. :)
(http://east-german-shepherds.weebly.com/uploads/3/4/5/6/3456169/9892355.jpeg)
Post by: prototype on March 23, 2013, 01:51:57 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on March 24, 2013, 02:21:37 AM
Cu boticul ala se vede ca e femelutza.. :)You can see the head is strong and excellent for female at age, 12 weeks approx I would say..
Post by: ben on March 24, 2013, 03:07:00 AM
You can see the head is strong and excellent for female at age, 12 weeks approx I would say..I saw her back in 2011, she is thick. I posted a short video of her in the forum I think..
Post by: ben on March 24, 2013, 05:13:04 AM
(http://wdcontent09.working-dog.eu/Zorro-von-der-Old-Lady-----7nqt5_c-G3MUnKyfE59QrdpuDqyaz1lodwJ1LUJALXM,.gif)
Post by: guest on March 24, 2013, 05:14:26 AM
Post by: ben on March 24, 2013, 05:15:43 AM
Post by: prototype on March 24, 2013, 05:30:41 AM
(http://www.vonderoldlady.de/mediac/400_0/media/DIR_81629/07.12.12-9a.jpg)
Post by: ben on March 24, 2013, 05:37:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB3-dkUQPR8
Post by: guest on March 24, 2013, 05:41:36 AM
Post by: ben on March 24, 2013, 05:41:52 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on March 24, 2013, 06:33:32 AM
I like to see the DDR style dogs in action
Post by: ben on March 24, 2013, 06:36:55 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on March 24, 2013, 06:46:45 AM
Josef doesn't want to share it with the DDR enthusiasts..
Post by: ben on March 24, 2013, 06:51:40 AM
I would love to see Titus on video..What, he got Titus on video??
Josef doesn't want to share it with the DDR enthusiasts..
Post by: Man Stopper on March 24, 2013, 07:00:11 AM
I just would of thought that a well known titled dog like Titus would be on video.
Especially being owned by a well known breeder..
Post by: Man Stopper on March 24, 2013, 07:04:56 AM
Post by: ben on March 24, 2013, 01:44:05 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RVb0SHvyZpA/UU4T-4b94lI/AAAAAAAAB_8/kdqVNzTVci4/s338/Iron+Indy+brother.jpg)
Post by: guest on March 25, 2013, 03:29:20 PM
(http://wdcontent08.working-dog.eu/Hanko-vom-Haus-Assja-----80QvbUkvfV0QdrjyrRRVOag2Pj_1Uru-KFi109Vy6AU,.gif)
(http://wdcontent14.working-dog.eu/Hanko-vom-Haus-Assja-----2KnN4UueC9peQ8HzCG9UZwzWo-kDokGEqawFnJfjiW8,.jpg)
Post by: prototype on March 25, 2013, 10:36:44 PM
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u385/prototypon/CG/Caini%20DDR/hassanvgruntal_zps9b407de5.jpg)
Post by: ben on March 25, 2013, 11:16:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLfwR41Hiys
Post by: guest on March 26, 2013, 01:30:38 PM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/Ix-z-PS-CS.jpg)
Post by: prototype on March 26, 2013, 01:32:15 PM
Post by: ben on March 26, 2013, 01:33:55 PM
Post by: guest on March 26, 2013, 01:34:41 PM
L-am cautat intr-o baza de date mai smechera dar nu i-am gasit poza.Eu am gasit-o pe WD.
Post by: prototype on March 26, 2013, 01:35:46 PM
Post by: ben on March 26, 2013, 02:23:07 PM
Pele e frate vitreg cu Bronco, tatal lui Enno.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bq0Ozu9ErWI/UVC__8BKVwI/AAAAAAAACBM/qmXr7H4Wt10/s400/Pele+vom+Kibitzmoor.jpg)
Pele:
6446/44 (ZPT)
6 - Powerful - puternic (body type with respect to breed standard - tipul de corp raportat la standard)
4 - Maturing problems - probleme de maturizare (constitution - constitutie)
4 - Good angulation - angulatie buna (build (structure - structura)
6 - relaxed, friendly, hard when provoked - relaxat, sociabil, dur cand e provocat (temperament)
4 - good (sharpness - ageritate)
4 - good (courage and hardness - curaj si duritate)
Post by: ben on March 26, 2013, 02:40:46 PM
5 - average - mediu
5 - ideal - ideal
4 - good angulation - angulatie buna
3 - reserved, suspicious or aggressive - rezervat, suspicios sau agresiv
5 - very good - foarte bun
5 - very good - foarte bun
Post by: guest on March 26, 2013, 10:38:04 PM
Post by: prototype on March 26, 2013, 11:00:50 PM
Post by: ben on March 26, 2013, 11:23:53 PM
Relaxat, prietenos, dur cand este provocat - acestea sunt caracteristicile care as dori sa le manifeste un caine in locuri publice. In opinia mea, asta inseamna caine echilibrat!Da. Si mie mi-a luat timp sa inteleg, eu pt mine, de fapt ce e aia "caine echilibrat", iar descrierea asta se potriveste foarte bine.
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 09:02:09 AM
Looks very similar to N Jim.
(http://east-german-shepherds.weebly.com/uploads/3/4/5/6/3456169/7905642.gif?173)
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 09:08:35 AM
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 09:15:35 AM
http://canisa-zimbris.ro/forum/index.php?topic=110.msg19998#msg19998Istoria se repeta :grin: Multam!
Ce memorie ai!!
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 09:17:06 AM
Istoria se repeta :grin: Multam!:)
Ce memorie ai!!Ooo, asta e nimic, cateodata si pe mine ma sperie! :cheesy:
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 09:17:42 AM
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 09:18:05 AM
Ooo, asta e nimic, cateodata si pe mine ma sperie! :cheesy::grin: :beer:
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 09:48:40 AM
6 - tip de corp, raportat la standard - puternic (powerful)
6 - constitutie - froasa, rezistenta (coarse, resilient)
4 - constructie/structura - angulatie buna (good angulation)
5 - temperament - agresiv, ager, dur, periculos (aggressive, sharp, hard, dangerous)
5 - agerime - foarte bun (very good)
5 - curaj si duritate - foarte bun (very good)
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 09:55:16 AM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6sNIuFyxMxA/UVHSekCERHI/AAAAAAAACBk/ely9Qu0HBaU/s1302/DDR+ZPT+2.JPG)
Este si pe sit-ul lui John http://east-german-shepherds.com/html/east_bloodline.html
Post by: prototype on March 27, 2013, 10:02:45 AM
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 10:03:51 AM
Hai ca am mai invatat ceva! :beer::beer:
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 10:12:12 AM
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 10:12:44 AM
Asta e ZPT in DDRMai este postat pe undeva prin forum unul asemanator.
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 10:13:54 AM
Mai este postat pe undeva prin forum unul asemanator.http://canisa-zimbris.ro/forum/index.php?topic=110.msg1654#msg1654
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 10:15:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cS6cLw68ds
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 10:42:12 AM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/gallerypictures/84842.jpg)
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 10:44:20 AM
Post by: prototype on March 27, 2013, 10:46:05 AM
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 10:46:11 AM
Ca capatzana frumoasa!Yep!
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 10:47:19 AM
Ce pozitie urata! :lol:Pozitia nu mi se pare neaparat urata, este in orice caz mult mai acceptabila decat la altii.
Post by: prototype on March 27, 2013, 10:49:22 AM
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 10:49:59 AM
Neumann's Jim, o poza ceva mai mareSi tata, Don Rolandsteich.
(http://www.royalair.org/nuenmannsjim.jpg)
(http://wdcontent14.working-dog.eu/Don-vom-Rolandsteich-----2KnN4UueC9p9DzyGdVUDIzLV3Bn8smTKd0g5yjXXkok,.jpg)
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 10:50:15 AM
Da, eu am vrut sa pun in balanta capatana - demna de un CG - cu pozitia - demna de o capra. :lol:Ah, inteleg! :cheesy:
Post by: prototype on March 27, 2013, 10:51:03 AM
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 10:51:45 AM
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 12:10:01 PM
(http://wdcontent11.working-dog.eu/Don-vom-Dreiangel-----ww6iWOesrbesX7vQgbajHsMXrRy0PT2ZRNGPtiQO0Mg,.gif)
(http://wdcontent08.working-dog.eu/Don-vom-Dreiangel-----80QvbUkvfV1CWazlWYDNuZlXOk1uVdBUtw3fEnyK5ag,.gif)
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 01:38:31 PM
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 02:01:05 PM
(http://www.schaeferhund-online.de/video/Wotan%201%20sehr%20gut.jpg)
Copie fidela a lui Sven Grafental (cu marja de eroare :lol:)
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/123567.jpg)
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 02:43:51 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on March 27, 2013, 03:43:40 PM
Pele Kiebitzmoor, poza noua.The second digit states 'maturing' problems...
Pele e frate vitreg cu Bronco, tatal lui Enno.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bq0Ozu9ErWI/UVC__8BKVwI/AAAAAAAACBM/qmXr7H4Wt10/s400/Pele+vom+Kibitzmoor.jpg)
Pele:
6446/44 (ZPT)
6 - Powerful - puternic (body type with respect to breed standard - tipul de corp raportat la standard)
4 - Maturing problems - probleme de maturizare (constitution - constitutie)
4 - Good angulation - angulatie buna (build (structure - structura)
6 - relaxed, friendly, hard when provoked - relaxat, sociabil, dur cand e provocat (temperament)
4 - good (sharpness - ageritate)
4 - good (courage and hardness - curaj si duritate)
What does that actually mean ?
And the 4th digit is a score of (6) which is common in most of the dogs we see.
But if you notice Zorro score of (3) is not so common.
Ex v Riedstern also scored (3).
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 04:00:53 PM
This is out of Ed Frawley's DDR recordings, I trimmed 3rd and 4th place from the 1988 work championship.
Held Ritterberg and Ex Riedstern are mentioned as top material.
Otty (first dog featured in the video) was stepped on but did not let go of the bite.
Quido, second dog featured, is Ex Riedstern 3rd generation son.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjzVWZnT14Y
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 08:08:04 PM
(http://wdcontent09.working-dog.eu/Pirol-van%27t-Enclavehof-----7nqt5_c-G3PDT7KKZBYpFC3oXVRYLLcOv1iMun57lXc,.jpg)
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 08:41:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de37Qeeb2hg
Post by: Man Stopper on March 27, 2013, 08:41:34 PM
Pirol van't Enclavehof, frumos caine (nepot de Gento HL pe tata si de Lord G pe mama)Complete looking Male
(http://wdcontent09.working-dog.eu/Pirol-van%27t-Enclavehof-----7nqt5_c-G3PDT7KKZBYpFC3oXVRYLLcOv1iMun57lXc,.jpg)
I like this 1
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 08:42:33 PM
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 08:43:04 PM
Complete looking Male:rockon:
I like this 1
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 08:43:48 PM
au si ceva combinatii cu sange vestic (la cainii recenti ma refer).Da, pe Lord l-au mixat mult cu vest.
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 08:57:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e22As6z17pQ
Post by: guest on March 27, 2013, 09:03:46 PM
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 09:19:36 PM
Super! Imi place ca si aici cainele lucreaza normal, nu asa "crizat" cum vedem mai nou.Exact!
Stranepot de Bojar vom Schotterhof, prin Axa z PS.
This is a Bojar vom Schotterhof 2nd generation son.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZKMC658kvM
Hey Reg, check this out: Berry von Christelas grandson!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KagRchKXmBI
Post by: Man Stopper on March 27, 2013, 09:25:36 PM
They look DDR all the way, especially the shape and size of heads and these last 2 look tall.
I always liked the look of Berry v Christelas :rockon:
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 09:30:43 PM
Dani you made my day mate,these footages are fantastic.I kind of knew you would say that Reg :cool:
They look DDR all the way, especially the shape and size of heads and these last 2 look tall.
I always liked the look of Berry v Christelas :rockon:
I spent my whole night just editing this footage, I couldn't postpone it :rockon:
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 09:31:40 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on March 27, 2013, 09:38:45 PM
I like the Lars grandson the most!Ye I think he was more patient and prob get a better score, he did have that look of his maternal side.
Namely Siego and Condor, not just colour but body type and head formation..
But that Berry 2nd son had that bark and attitude for street fighting.. :devil: :grin:
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 09:42:33 PM
But that Berry 2nd son had that bark and attitude for street fighting.. :devil: :grin:Oh yeah! :lol:
Post by: Man Stopper on March 27, 2013, 10:03:35 PM
That Schotterhof 2 son is a tank of a dog, thats what Bojar looks like on the photo..
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 10:19:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwnw5Q7c8lU
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 10:49:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BPRDwMJznI
Post by: prototype on March 27, 2013, 11:52:41 PM
L.E.: stai ca eu acum am vazut ca ai postat mai multe clipuri si in topicul asta. Le voi urmari.
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 11:59:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr3Y3oHLDb4
Post by: ben on March 27, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
Era batran cainele in clip?:)
L.E.: stai ca eu acum am vazut ca ai postat mai multe clipuri si in topicul asta. Le voi urmari.
Post by: prototype on March 28, 2013, 12:19:27 AM
Pirol - teapan caine.
Post by: ben on March 28, 2013, 12:22:34 AM
Pirol - teapan caine.Da, e "belea" cainele. Cu cata placere ii urmaresc.. sunt pur si simplu altceva, decat rapiditatile din zilele curente, la BSP si WUSV. Aici vad mai multa substanta si nu robotei sub puterea clicului.
Post by: guest on March 28, 2013, 12:35:57 AM
Post by: ben on March 28, 2013, 12:40:56 AM
M-am uitat la o parte din filmarile astea si ma tot gandeam la ceea ce s-a spus referitor la drive-ul cainilor estici, anume ca ar fi mai slab. Eu vad niste caini normali dpdv-ul asta, dar comparativ cu multi dintre cainii de astazi care participa la competitii, intr-adevar se poate spune ca au un drive ceva mai redus. Dar imi plac mai mult acestia, care lucreaza normal, natural.Pai, in competitie se cere drive cu galeata, vor sa faca din CG, Malinois.. cine stie.. :grin:
Si mie imi place mai mult modul de lucru old school. S-au dus la extrema si cu showul si cu sportul, intr-o parte sa fie bronzati tare si angulati, in cealalta sa se miste ca la apasare de buton.
Post by: prototype on March 28, 2013, 12:42:16 AM
Super! Imi place ca si aici cainele lucreaza normal, nu asa "crizat" cum vedem mai nou.Da, cainii sunt mai degajati, mai naturali, mai fiinte. ;)
Post by: ben on March 28, 2013, 12:44:23 AM
Da, cainii sunt mai degajati, mai naturali, mai fiinte. ;)Asta tine si de genetica (apropos de est vs vest); cainele estic e in mod tipic mai "apatic", mai calm.
Post by: ben on March 28, 2013, 12:46:18 AM
Post by: guest on March 28, 2013, 12:46:31 AM
Asta tine si de genetica (apropos de est vs vest); cainele estic e in mod tipic mai "apatic", mai calm.
Hmm.. am gresit la Zorro, a 4a cifra este 5, ceea ce inseamna relaxed but very hard when provoked. Tot e bun :lol::lol:
Post by: ben on March 28, 2013, 12:52:21 AM
Post by: prototype on March 28, 2013, 12:55:54 AM
P.S.: cum se numeste cainele?
Post by: ben on March 28, 2013, 12:58:06 AM
Nu am dat numele unora din caini, din anumite motive, sa le spunem mai "personale".
P.S.: cum se numeste cainele?
Post by: guest on March 28, 2013, 01:01:20 AM
Pai.. n-am gresit cu nimic :lol:Nu e vorba de nici o greseala, am scos doar in evidenta asemanarile. :)
Post by: ben on March 28, 2013, 01:02:15 AM
Nu e vorba de nici o greseala, am scos doar in evidenta asemanarile. :)aaa... :lol: ::shy::
Post by: prototype on March 28, 2013, 01:03:56 AM
Imi plac mult cainele din B Christelas si Pirol.+1
Astia doi mi-au placut cel mai mult.
Post by: ben on March 28, 2013, 01:07:43 AM
Si-o sa o mai tastez :cheesy:
Post by: prototype on March 28, 2013, 01:09:33 AM
:rockon:
Post by: guest on March 28, 2013, 01:12:05 AM
Post by: ben on March 28, 2013, 01:36:51 AM
Eu cand vreau sa fluier, fluier :grin:
Post by: ben on March 28, 2013, 11:33:45 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/Jens_030_zps0ba83cdd.jpg)
Arko vom Rummelplatz
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/Arko_zps0e3257a7.jpg)
Post by: guest on March 29, 2013, 12:41:21 AM
Odo vd Hasenheide:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
Post by: ben on March 29, 2013, 01:03:28 AM
Post by: ben on March 31, 2013, 01:16:36 AM
(http://gsdonline.com/bszs/pictures/108760.jpg)
Post by: prototype on March 31, 2013, 01:22:37 AM
Post by: ben on March 31, 2013, 01:24:36 AM
Post by: prototype on March 31, 2013, 01:25:48 AM
Post by: guest on March 31, 2013, 01:25:59 AM
Ah sper ca n-am mai postat-o, eu acum o vad prima oara cred. Don R, alta poza.Ba da. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: prototype on March 31, 2013, 01:26:35 AM
Post by: guest on March 31, 2013, 01:27:29 AM
Post by: ben on March 31, 2013, 01:30:11 AM
Ba da. :lol: :lol: :lol:::shy::
Post by: ben on April 01, 2013, 03:35:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2oNBgUqGjU
Post by: ben on April 01, 2013, 04:54:35 PM
Post by: ben on April 01, 2013, 05:15:40 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/DDR/ddrfr_zps28ef83fc.jpg)
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/DDR/ddrfr3_zps52fd9ad0.jpg)
Post by: guest on April 01, 2013, 09:52:27 PM
Post by: ben on April 01, 2013, 11:34:59 PM
Post by: Romul on April 02, 2013, 06:51:13 AM
Iete tauru' aici (posibil sa-l mai fi postat John)Just wondering if any of you guys have any info on this dog.
Ex vom H�nenkessel
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/OLDDDR/96996.jpg)
He looks awesome and very well balanced, and much like Held Ritterberg..
Post by: ben on April 02, 2013, 06:53:39 AM
Just wondering if any of you guys have any info on this dog.John may have some.
He looks awesome and very well balanced, and much like Held Ritterberg..
yeah he looks great, body could have been a little bit longer for my taste but then this is just one shot of the dog. One can't really assess things based on one picture.
Really nice head piece!
Post by: Man Stopper on April 02, 2013, 06:57:47 AM
John may have some.Be good to know the line this dog originates from, by the looks i say he has a Ex v Riedstern type about him.
yeah he looks great, body could have been a little bit longer for my taste but then this is just one shot of the dog. One can't really assess things based on one picture.
Really nice head piece!
Great dog a killer dog..
Post by: ben on April 02, 2013, 07:14:34 AM
Be good to know the line this dog originates from, by the looks i say he has a Ex v Riedstern type about him.You nailed it. He is out of Bodo vom Gräfental and Una vom Hünenkessel so he's 4-4 on Ex.
Great dog a killer dog..
Post by: ben on April 02, 2013, 07:19:15 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on April 02, 2013, 07:32:00 AM
Post by: ben on April 05, 2013, 01:07:50 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/DDR/64697_zpsf49a6b40.jpg)
Post by: ben on April 08, 2013, 02:44:32 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/DDR/137292_zpsd5ae7d35.jpg)
Post by: prototype on April 08, 2013, 02:45:21 PM
Ceva mai mult negru pe la cap si ar fi aratat mult mai bine.
Post by: guest on April 08, 2013, 02:45:42 PM
Wow, superb!
Post by: ben on April 08, 2013, 03:00:10 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on April 09, 2013, 08:36:21 AM
Yet we don't see enough of this look these days.
Post by: ben on April 09, 2013, 08:47:03 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on April 09, 2013, 09:00:47 AM
Post by: ben on April 09, 2013, 09:08:33 AM
Ye I like that Aron lookActually it was Uncas I had in mind..
Post by: Man Stopper on April 09, 2013, 09:44:53 AM
Actually it was Uncas I had in mind..Ye he looks that type which I believe is due to both his paternal top side
And his maternal side has strong influence
Post by: ben on April 09, 2013, 10:42:38 AM
Post by: ben on April 09, 2013, 11:08:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6kTylvy2e8
Post by: prototype on April 09, 2013, 11:17:19 AM
Post by: ben on April 09, 2013, 11:25:59 AM
He looks like an old school.If you mean the black and tan in the video, it's a "she". :)
Post by: prototype on April 09, 2013, 11:27:08 AM
Post by: ben on April 09, 2013, 11:40:32 AM
Post by: ben on April 10, 2013, 02:18:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY2RcZo_R3A
Post by: Man Stopper on April 10, 2013, 08:59:18 AM
I like his maternal grandsire Black v Babylon
Post by: ben on April 10, 2013, 09:04:37 AM
I want some Zorro, Held and Don blood in my backyard.. then I will be a happy man. :cool:
Having Hun helps me understand better the nature of the DDR dogs. He's a bite machine yet a very nice character dog. These dogs have notable personality which I love. I'm sticking with DDR's, all the way. If anything, I may consider some CZ (with DDR in the back) but not go west.
Post by: Man Stopper on April 10, 2013, 10:05:57 AM
He has VERY nice color and markings. Someone who's had and worked many DDR gsd's made a statement that Nando was the best DDR dog he's worked.Dani which particular progeny lines from the above mentioned dogs would you consider ?
I want some Zorro, Held and Don blood in my backyard.. then I will be a happy man. :cool:
Having Hun helps me understand better the nature of the DDR dogs. He's a bite machine yet a very nice character dog. These dogs have notable personality which I love.
And also what would be the difference if we add Czech dogs to the DDR mix, in comparrison to throwing some West lines in the pool ?
Post by: ben on April 10, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Still learning as far as progeny lines, Reg.
Post by: Man Stopper on April 10, 2013, 06:48:39 PM
Zorro and Don are there plus the legend Lord.
Post by: ben on April 11, 2013, 06:05:02 AM
I think that Bob Parchimerland is a very good option for Briska or Nala.No, not at all actually. The looks and the paternal grand-sire line is all I like about Bob.
Zorro and Don are there plus the legend Lord.
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 11, 2013, 07:31:15 AM
DDR 147526
Male 29.09.1985
C - Litter vom Marderpfahl (Cora-Condor)4-4
Ex vom Riedstern
4,5-5
OFA HD: GS-29267G70M
OFA EL: GS-EL921M70
LBZ Kkl.2 - 1995 - was Kkl1- 1993
Mittelgroß, blendende Verfassung, typ- und ausdrucksvoll, dunkles Auge, korrekte Ohren. Guter Verlauf der Oberlinie, gute Winkelungen, altersbedingte Austiefung der Vor- und Unterbrust. Wesen Sicher, Härte, mut und Kampftrieb ausgeprägt; läßt ab.
WA 95: Gute Verfassung; Rücken nicht ganz fest, Brustverhältnisse ausgeglichen.
Medium sized, dazzling condition, typey and expressive, dark eye, correct ears. Well developed topline, good angulation, due to age depth the front- and lower chest. Temperament sound, hardness, courage and fighting instinct pronounced; does out.
WA 95: good condition; back not quite firm, chest proportions balanced.
Shoulder height Chest depth Chest circumference Weight
63 cm / 24.8 in 29 cm / 1 1.4 in 80 cm / 31.5 in 39.0 kg / 86 lbs
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/147526_zps94902f67.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on April 11, 2013, 08:10:44 AM
Really the kind of info I like to see and the photo gives a better indication of that
Held Ritterberg progeny.
Similar to Bero in the side profile head and body type.
Thanks John
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 11, 2013, 09:38:51 AM
1984 DDR 141871
SchH3 SP/PS 5JXQ6/54
HD-Normal
ZTP Kör: 554 6/44 sg+ ; cerna,znaky - I.tr. ch. vyborny (excellent) 5JQX/54 -
Overall Appearance: Required strength, build refinement, height: 60-62 cm.
Appropriate Breed features:Correct expression, excellent proportions.
Ears, Color, Pigmentation:black with dark features, dark pigment
Personality Traits:brave, aggressive, sensitive to strikes.
/Attack from behind blind: very good hard bite, very quick reflexes
Stop with counter attack: good bite, medium strong reflexes
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/BerovomFriedersdorferFlur_zps0146be39.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on April 11, 2013, 03:03:43 PM
Nando is a super looking dog out of Zorro.I found out that Nando was 64cm and 34kg
I like his maternal grandsire Black v Babylon
I seen a few other surveys and all were under 65 height and below 39 kg.
Post by: Man Stopper on April 11, 2013, 03:15:29 PM
That's 20+% in difference.
Even the circumferance/depth of chest there is notable differance.
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 11, 2013, 03:17:59 PM
Male 18.07.1991
SchH3 IPO3
18.09.1998 Bundessiegerprüfung 199 Baunatal SchH3 92-77-87= 256 @93
29.08.1998 Landesgruppenausscheidung LG 02 / 1998 Eigene Scholle SchH3 95- 90- 94 =279
23.08.1997 Landesgruppenausscheidung LG 02 / 1997Rathenow SchH3 92- 82 92 =266
Shoulder height Chest depth Chest circumference Weight
64 cm / 25.2 in 28 cm / 11 in 71 cm / 28 in 34.0 kg / 75 lbs
Übermittelgroß, mittelkräftig, guter Ausdruck, sehr pigmentbetont, flacher Widerrist, Oberlinie fest, Kruppe sollte länger sein. Gerade in der Front, normale Brustverhältnisse, die Vorhand steht normal im Winkel und Schulterbalttlage sollte etwas schräger sein. Gute Winkel der Hinterhand, sollte im Vortritt mehr Boden decken, guter Nachschub. Wesen sicher, Härte, Mut und Kampftrieb ausgeprägt; läßt ab.
Above medium sized, moderately strong, good expression, very excellent pigmentation, flat withers, firm topline, croup should be longer. Straight in the front, normal chest proportions, the forequarters have normal angulation and the shoulderblades should have somewhat more anglulation. Good rear angulation, the front stride should cover more ground, good rear drive. Temperament sound, hardness, courage and fighting instinct pronounced; does ou
Post by: Man Stopper on April 11, 2013, 07:20:11 PM
Duran is the impression I had of DDR type dog with bone and mass giving it weight.
Duran is even bigger than Don his Grandsire by a 5 kg..
Post by: ben on April 11, 2013, 10:14:32 PM
I just measured my dog's chest circumference:
Hun - 82 cm
Briska - 74 cm
Nala - 78 cm
And whither:
Hun - (almost) 67 cm
Briska - 59 cm
Nala wouldn't stand still, I'll do it another time.
Mi-am masurat si eu cainii in circumfernta pieptului si greaban, mai putin Nala la greaban pt ca nu are stare.
Post by: ben on April 11, 2013, 10:57:33 PM
She also looks a lot like the make I will be breeding Briska to in a few months time.
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/DDR/puppies_235_3947747932_zps04888c01.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on April 12, 2013, 12:06:19 AM
...and, Duran Weidegang was black and tan :cool:Dani that's some impressive measurments with Hun in height and chest circumference.
I just measured my dog's chest circumference:
Hun - 82 cm
Briska - 74 cm
Nala - 78 cm
And whither:
Hun - (almost) 67 cm
Briska - 59 cm
Nala wouldn't stand still, I'll do it another time.
Mi-am masurat si eu cainii in circumfernta pieptului si greaban, mai putin Nala la greaban pt ca nu are stare.
The girls have super measurments also and Nala is going to be a tank of a female.
And I can imagine adding extra strength with the male you have in mind.
Any info you can share on the male(bloodline) ?
Post by: ben on April 12, 2013, 01:11:38 PM
Any info you can share on the male(bloodline) ?Not yet, just waiting for things to get a clear shape before I say anything about it.
Post by: prototype on April 12, 2013, 01:12:41 PM
Post by: guest on April 12, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
Post by: VINCENT on April 12, 2013, 01:25:31 PM
Post by: ben on April 12, 2013, 01:27:36 PM
La circumferinta pieptului Nala e la jumatatea diferentei dintre parinti. :)Nu mi-am dat seama :grin: Nala inca mai are de crescut..
Imi ramane sa-i cantaresc. Briska si Nala nu sunt inalte (nici nu vreau sa fie) dar sunt bine legate. Recunosc insa ca cel mai apropiat de ce-mi doresc eu, e Hun, ca temperament in general, nu ma refer doar la lucrurile ce tin de protectie, pe care le subliniez mai des.
Maine repet masuratorile, doar asa de dragul unui double check.
Post by: prototype on April 12, 2013, 01:36:38 PM
Post by: ben on April 12, 2013, 01:39:01 PM
Stiu ca l-ai mai masurat acum ceva timp pe Hun si ziceai undeva la 70...Eh, nu-l masurasem, era la "ochio-metru". Azi i-am masurat (mai putin pe Nala).
Cum ziceam, repet maine toata treaba asta.
Post by: prototype on April 12, 2013, 01:40:23 PM
Was he (Hun) the largest in the litter?
Post by: ben on April 12, 2013, 01:50:15 PM
El a fost cel mai mare din cuib?Asta trebuie sa-l intrebi pe John. :)
You would have to ask John that question.
Post by: ben on April 12, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
Hun nu era cel mai mare, cam toti aveau aceeasi statura, Hun imi parea cel mai "botos", in schimb.
Been trying to find a picture that would show the entire litter and I came across some shots of Enno I did not post.
Hun wasn't the largest, they all seemed to be about the same size back then. But Hun seemed to have a noticeable muzzle.
El a fost cel mai mare din cuib?(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SllLeuwEHSw/Tmj7RVqwTqI/AAAAAAAACX8/bQ0_7f4RtXA/Image35.jpg)
Was he (Hun) the largest in the litter?
Post by: Man Stopper on April 12, 2013, 06:38:34 PM
You wouldn't want it bigger than that.
Post by: ben on April 12, 2013, 09:36:57 PM
Post by: prototype on April 14, 2013, 03:18:04 PM
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/508384.jpg)
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u385/prototypon/CG/Caini%20DDR/GradalensFarox_zps7d80e3ab.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/prototypon/media/CG/Caini%20DDR/GradalensFarox_zps7d80e3ab.jpg.html)
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u385/prototypon/CG/Caini%20DDR/GradalensFarox2_zpsd51d8b65.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/prototypon/media/CG/Caini%20DDR/GradalensFarox2_zpsd51d8b65.jpg.html)
Post by: guest on April 14, 2013, 11:06:49 PM
Post by: ben on April 15, 2013, 12:22:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwT3yj1nCc
Post by: prototype on April 15, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: guest on April 15, 2013, 12:27:04 PM
Post by: ben on April 16, 2013, 01:10:45 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on April 16, 2013, 09:33:23 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on April 16, 2013, 09:50:51 AM
Irko vom Brandenburger Damm ?
He I believe was noted to be a fine example of the DDR breed.
And also being a Grandsire of Pele vom Kiebitzmoor, I thought you might have some answers..
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 16, 2013, 10:33:42 AM
Brandenburger Damm
Not very many
> Andra v Haus Zeuthen (dam Brita v Zeuther Wall)
> Falko vd Buschecke (dam Cessy vd Buschecke)
> Ohne vd Düpte (dam Laikavd Düpte)
>
> Arina vom grünen Stern SchH2 a zuerkannt / -
> Maja vom Hamstereck SchH1 a zuerkannt / -
> -
> Kastor vom Zillertal * SchH2 a zuerkannt / -
> Aron von den Hugenotten SG - / -
>
> Freia von der Buschecke V SchH1 a zuerkannt / -
>
> Wisky von der Leinequelle SG a zuerkannt / -
> Andra von Haus Zeuthen * SchH2 a zuerkannt / -
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 16, 2013, 11:18:46 AM
“F†(6 pups) vd Buschecke dob:25.8.80 dam Cessy vd Busche
“M†5 pups) v Hamstereck dob:23.11.80 dam Meggie v Hamstereck
“W†(6 pups) vd Leinequelle dob:25.12.80 dam: Otti vd Leinequelle
“S†(1 pup) Lübser Damm dob:? dam: Maxi vd Golf
“K†(6 pups) v Zillertal dob: 27.3.81 dam: Dixi v Zillertal
“D†(6 pups) v Deutschen Haus dob:? Dam: Gitta v Deitschen Haus
“O†vd Düpte (1 pup) dam:
Laika vd Düpte
“P†vd Düpte (6 pups) dam Ledi vd Düpte
“R†vd Düpte (2 pups) dam
Laika vd Düpte (looks like she had a problem?)
“B†v haus Merkur (4 pups) dam: Quinte v Fürstendamm
“A†Haus Zeuthen (3 pups) dam: Britta v Zeuthener Wall
“C†v Havelberger Damm (4 pups)dob: 17.2.83 dam: Bonny v Havelwinkel
“I†v Havelvinkel (5 pups) dob: 10.7.83 dam: Merri vd Düpte
“B†v Henststein (1 pup) dob: 8.12.82 dam Bessi vd Abendrotgrotte
“A†vd Hugenotte (5 pups) dam: Katy vd Wolfshöhle
“O†v Kaditzer Eck (5 pups) dob: 28.6.82 dam: Endy v Pleißabach
“O†vd Moritzburg dob: 10.1.82 dam: Afra v Tal der Quellen
“H†v Tal der Quellen dob: 21.12.81 dam: Dana vd Moritzburg
Post by: ben on April 16, 2013, 12:00:51 PM
I just wonder sometimes, how much of the breeding in the DDR was done based on taste or preference and how much was done based on true loyalty to the breed.. I wish I could travel back in time..
In the west we could all see it was done by either looks or competition.
Post by: ben on April 16, 2013, 12:17:16 PM
I mean, Ex and Bernd in the mix, what else could one want.
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 16, 2013, 12:22:03 PM
Are we to conclude that he wasn't a good producer, or that he was not "preferred" or what?
I just wonder sometimes, how much of the breeding in the DDR was done based on taste or preference and how much was done based on true loyalty to the breed.. I wish I could travel back in time..
In the west we could all see it was done by either looks or competition.
Looks like he did not have many breedings . You have to remember cause a dog look good or is a good or great competitor. It does not mean he will be a good or great producer.
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 16, 2013, 12:23:20 PM
Ausdrucksvoller, im mittlerem Rahmen und Format stehender Rüde mit guter Gebäudeharmonie und Linie sowie schönem mänlichen Gepräge, Er ist gut gewinkelt und bemuskelt und zeigt freie raumschaffende Bewegungen mit kraftvollen Aktionen. Geringe Schwäche im Ohr. Fred Falkenbruch-Inzucht prägt sich im Typ aus.
Body 5543/44
Expressive, in the middle frame and size standing male with good harmony and building line and beautiful mänlichen character, he is well angulated and muscled and shows free space-creating movements with powerful actions. Slight weakness in the ear. Fred Falk break inbred imprints itself from the type.
Post by: ben on April 16, 2013, 12:42:25 PM
You have to remember cause a dog look good or is a good or great competitor. It does not mean he will be a good or great producer.That's for sure. Nowadays they go for that big time; if the dog is well titled or looks great, they breed like crazy.
Nevertheless, I just wonder how much did personal preference impact the breeding goals in the DDR.
So far, Don seems to have been the most preferred dog.
Post by: ben on April 16, 2013, 12:53:39 PM
I think Held strikes that chord in me..
Post by: guest on April 16, 2013, 01:04:42 PM
(http://wdcontent08.working-dog.eu/Pascha-aus-der-B%E4renh%F6hle-----80QvbUkvfV0efnxA8negCv_j-dGMJXve1GJLRXcCJO8,.gif)
(http://wdcontent09.working-dog.eu/Pascha-aus-der-B%E4renh%F6hle-----7nqt5_c-G3P8fsSe2p2tTH1r6ZyfKRXDuhFHPnL-jU4,.gif)
Post by: ben on April 16, 2013, 01:07:18 PM
Post by: ben on April 16, 2013, 01:29:35 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on April 16, 2013, 06:44:48 PM
I see the 4th digit had a score of '3', this is like Ex Riedstern something not so common when reading scores, and also they mention that he has the Fred Falkenbruch type look.
Yet Fred was straight and longer looking compared to Irko who looked compact and angulated..
Body 5543/44
Expressive, in the middle frame and size standing male with good harmony and building line and beautiful mänlichen character, he is well angulated and muscled and shows free space-creating movements with powerful actions. Slight weakness in the ear. Fred Falk break inbred imprints itself from the type.
I see Sven G's sire was used quite a bit. Makes me wonder what they saw in him..I believe it was because of his bloodline, 3 times Xito and Ex in the five generations.
And Xito was Sieger could be another reason, Gotz does look pretty good in the pic and great colour pigment.
He had a2 on hip score so this didn't stop his Stud service, and a few Parchimerland offspring I noticed..!
Post by: Man Stopper on April 17, 2013, 12:07:18 AM
I always had the impression that most of them were thick big boned strong heavy set dogs.
But with the recent posts on the stats on weight height and chest measurments, I was surprised to have read that Bernd Lierberg was thicker and heavier than the majority of the DDR dogs.
Is it fair to say that these days DDR type of dogs are not similar to those that were around in the 50's 60's ?
Post by: ben on April 17, 2013, 08:00:40 AM
Let's look at some west and east:
Yoschy was 63 cm/38 kg
Troll was 38 with 64 whither
Lord was 65 cm/42 kg
Don was 65 cm/31 kg
Iran Tannenkrug 65 cm/38 kg
Condor was 64.5 cm/37 kg
So I think the DDR dog is not necessarily heavy, but thick boned. Because of the bones, theory says they should be heavier and I guess if we match a decent sized group of west to a numerically corresponding east group, the DDR would have the heavier dogs. I believe it's the more recent west lines that are lighter, because the sport requires speed, blah blah.. sport thinking.
Post by: Man Stopper on April 17, 2013, 09:28:13 AM
I see how the West lines would be more sleek and lighter for sport etc..
Dani is the Don you mentioned at 31kg Don haus Iris ?
As Don Rolandsteich would seem to be more like in the 38-40 kg range.
And also in regards to bone = weight, is one of the reasons I would of thought that DDR type was heavier.
I was also thinking that possibly the DDR dogs we know, were more your exhibition(show) type dogs .
Yet the early DDR type, those that actually patrolled on the east side of the wall were breed heavier and bigger stronger to suit the conditions to work..
Just a thought ..
What others think would be interesting to know and hear..
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 17, 2013, 12:29:44 PM
DDR 160660
Hip: SV: HD a-normal (a1)
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/FalkoRatsberg_zps033d1c33.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/johnsDDR/media/FalkoRatsberg_zps033d1c33.jpg.html)
Post by: ben on April 17, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
That was Don Rolandsteich I was mentioning.
Mate I think you get heavy dogs on both sides but let me ask this, how heavy do you want a GSD to be?
Post by: ben on April 17, 2013, 12:45:03 PM
Then after the Wall came down you had the Americans buying them good looking DDR dogs and before you know it the history of the true DDR dog was compromised. Very few (like John) had eyes to see what needed to be seen.
Iwan Rundeck at minute 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22FQj2kYwPY
Post by: ben on April 17, 2013, 12:47:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MODpYJykAo0
Post by: Man Stopper on April 17, 2013, 07:46:48 PM
The greater difference would be in build and thickness or shape. I guess pigment also played a part in differentiating the two.Would it be fair to say that the East were slightly longer in length and shorter generally, than the West ?
That was Don Rolandsteich I was mentioning.
Mate I think you get heavy dogs on both sides but let me ask this, how heavy do you want a GSD to be?
And I thought Don would of been heavier than that, the photo of Don taken with the owner looks to be more thicker and heavier in comparison to the other several younger pics of him.
As for weight I believe a Male 65 should be at least 40 kg with thickness and depth of chest.
It looks masculine and appealing, but if its got a chicken heart well size is all of a sudden shrunk down to a size of a rabbit.. :grin:
There are breeders down here claiming that there Males are 67cm+ and at 55kg+
Coming from West and Czech working lines.
I believe they would be over weight, but still its some bloody weight there..
Post by: Man Stopper on April 17, 2013, 07:49:47 PM
Falko vom RatsbergI like this dog he has very good thickness up front and great colour pigment, rich tan..
DDR 160660
Hip: SV: HD a-normal (a1)
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/FalkoRatsberg_zps033d1c33.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/johnsDDR/media/FalkoRatsberg_zps033d1c33.jpg.html)
Post by: ben on April 17, 2013, 09:34:55 PM
I think you can get the weight and the height from either side, again one just has to know well the bloodlines and how they can be combined.. hehe, it's always down to genes..
There are breeders down here claiming that there Males are 67cm+ and at 55kg+Most times when I come across web sites from Au, the dogs seem to be over fed. I remember there was a big black and tan dog posted in the forum (may as well have been v Vorell dog..) and he looked pretty fat, or even very fat..
Coming from West and Czech working lines.
I believe they would be over weight, but still its some bloody weight there..
Why the desire for heaviness though.. I mean yes, I want a dog that has a certain mass so when fighting the aggressor the weight could make a difference upon impact and fight but then how heavy does it have to be..
Hun draws the energy out of my friend Andy during training sessions and part of that is to do with weight.
Post by: hora on April 17, 2013, 11:24:02 PM
Post by: ben on April 18, 2013, 03:37:57 AM
Who is "in charge" with the DDR dogs? The SV? Or do they belong to a different club? Do the east-german breeders stick to their own blood lines or have they mixed them with west lines?Who is in charge with the breed? ;)
Of course there is no specific club for the DDR dogs, that means there should be a club for the LSZ and CZ as well. The breed is already divided big time by the two major "trends", there's no need for more separations, or else folk would get really confused about what a GS dog actually is.
There are only a handful of DDR breeders who remained loyal to the DDR way of thinking and breedig and loyal to the true DDR bloodlines. Some of the great (former) DDR breeders now breed for money (west show lines). Money has ruined the DDR dogs, money has ruined the breed altogether.
Post by: Man Stopper on April 19, 2013, 02:50:37 AM
Who is in charge with the breed? ;)Its about the $$$$$ alright.
DDR breeders now breed for money (west show lines). Money has ruined the DDR dogs, money has ruined the breed altogether.
Makes the world revolve im afraid..!
Post by: guest on April 19, 2013, 05:01:59 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/PitzovomWolkenstein.jpg)
Post by: ben on April 19, 2013, 06:10:03 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/526567_649334268415219_938022276_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on April 19, 2013, 06:11:29 AM
Pitzo vom Wolkenstein. Ce ziceti, el este? Am gasit poza asta pe ceva site in urma cu mai multa vreme iar acolo era prezentat ca fiind Pitzo, dar sincera sa fiu nu sunt 100% sigura, desi seamana totusi.E posibil sa fie el, seamana, cu botul ala oarecum "lung" si masca pronuntata.
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/PitzovomWolkenstein.jpg)
Post by: guest on April 19, 2013, 06:16:13 AM
Dicker v. SachsenhofSuper!
Post by: Man Stopper on April 19, 2013, 06:36:18 AM
E posibil sa fie el, seamana, cu botul ala oarecum "lung" si masca pronuntata.This dog would be the closest to look like Held.
Especially the other photo of him..
Post by: ben on April 19, 2013, 06:41:46 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on April 19, 2013, 06:49:46 AM
Reg these are two individual dogs.Yes I realise this , the other dog resembles Lord.
But the other photo I mentioned was posted several months ago.
Pitzo was a name that rang a bell, as he so much looked like Held.
I don't know how to add the link, but you will find another photo of him*(Pitzo) and you can clearly see alot of Held.
Post by: ben on April 19, 2013, 11:54:52 AM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on April 19, 2013, 12:23:44 PM
Dicker v. Sachsenhofimi place rau (imi plac rau) masca (mastile) asta "lupoida"
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/526567_649334268415219_938022276_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on April 21, 2013, 02:06:54 AM
Yasko Konigswaldereck :rockon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ4TW8X6_TA
Post by: Johnsk9 on April 21, 2013, 03:53:07 PM
SZ 1929210 W-G 0743 ear tattoo
Male 10.05.1995 grey Stockhaar
KKL1 HD-Normal / - SchH3
HD-ZW 91
Shoulder height Chest depth Chest circumference Weight
65 cm / 25.6 in 30 cm / 11.8 in 87 cm / 34.3 in 42.0 kg / 92.6 lbs
linebreeding
Fels vom Kemmlerblick 4-3
Ohle vom Rundeck 5-5
Breed
Survey
Großrahmig, mittelkräftig, leicht gestreckt in der Mittelhand. Gutes Gepräge, guter Ausdruck. Hoher, langer Widerrist, leicht nachgebende Rückenlinie, gute Lage und Länge der Kruppe. Korrekte Front, gute Brustverhältnisse. Gute Vor-, sehr gute Hinterhandwinkelung, raumgreifende Schrittweite, kraftvolle Aktionen, korrekte Folge. TSB ausgeprägt; läßt ab.
Large-boned, medium strong, slightly stretched in the metacarpal. Good character, good expression. High, long withers, slightly yielding topline, good length and the croup. Correct front, good chest proportions. Good ago, very good rear angulation, expansive increment, powerful actions, correct result. TSB pronounced, lets out.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/Henk-von-der-Moschel_zps1f59d006.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/johnsDDR/media/Henk-von-der-Moschel_zps1f59d006.jpg.html)
Post by: Man Stopper on April 21, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
Post by: RogerW on April 21, 2013, 09:39:31 PM
Post by: ben on April 21, 2013, 09:46:58 PM
Post by: ben on April 21, 2013, 09:55:20 PM
Henk von der Moschel DDRThe line breeding says it all.
linebreeding
Fels vom Kemmlerblick 4-3
Ohle vom Rundeck 5-5
42.0 kg / 92.6 lbs:cool:
Post by: ben on April 23, 2013, 04:15:15 AM
Xilan is 65/40 kg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj_OsL9PIXk
Post by: Man Stopper on April 23, 2013, 05:40:06 AM
Post by: ben on April 23, 2013, 07:25:22 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/DDR/RexHausIrisold1_zps07722d55.jpg)
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/DDR/RexHausIrisold2_zpsd221c6b6.jpg)
Post by: guest on April 23, 2013, 07:27:55 AM
Some pictures of Rex I got from John some 3 years ago or so.Whoa! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Post by: ben on April 23, 2013, 07:30:34 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on April 23, 2013, 07:41:11 AM
Whoa! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:I totally agree.
Man now that's a 'bear like head'.
Tank all the way .!
Thanks to Don :rockon:
Post by: ben on April 23, 2013, 09:17:57 AM
Post by: AXX Police Tracker on April 23, 2013, 10:40:34 AM
Post by: guest on April 26, 2013, 10:23:59 PM
2 - 2............................................. in V Zorro vom Laager Wall
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/389821.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on April 27, 2013, 02:23:21 AM
Post by: ben on April 27, 2013, 02:24:08 AM
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 02:20:37 AM
(http://siriusdog.com/images/dogs/lord1.jpg)
Post by: guest on May 01, 2013, 02:23:12 AM
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 02:27:30 AM
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 02:49:27 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/577729_274640699340213_1149630649_n.jpg)
Post by: guest on May 01, 2013, 02:50:10 AM
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 02:54:35 AM
Stiu ca a mai fost postat dar asta mi se pare cea mai clara imagine; cealalta (oficiala) e ceva mai mica si intunecata.
Greif von der Kohlsdorfer Höhe
(http://wdcontent10.working-dog.eu/Greif-von-der-Kohlsdorfer-H%F6he-----zbfhE0Vlg-AaiK6RBlbOnuL4tXToRSGEaINGpJltZFc,.gif)
Post by: guest on May 01, 2013, 03:00:30 AM
Greif von der Kohlsdorfer HöheImi place! Fiu de Fred, foarte aratos si el!
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 03:05:11 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/165214_274643642673252_1367959665_n.jpg)
Post by: guest on May 01, 2013, 03:10:18 AM
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 03:11:49 AM
Pascha Rohrer Stirn
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/381462_274645006006449_1239015689_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 03:15:33 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/253215_274645549339728_212084970_n.jpg)
Post by: guest on May 01, 2013, 03:18:56 AM
:rockon:Wow, o poza de calitate mai buna. Parca aici se vad mai bine trasaturile cainelui, in ciuda contrastului mai puternic.
Post by: Sorin on May 01, 2013, 03:22:31 AM
Gomo vom Schieferschloßasta e belea :rockon:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/165214_274643642673252_1367959665_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 03:35:42 AM
Wow, o poza de calitate mai buna. Parca aici se vad mai bine trasaturile cainelui, in ciuda contrastului mai puternic.Da, de-aia am postat-o, parca se vede ceva mai clar.
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 03:43:28 AM
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 04:04:03 AM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/DDR/DDRdog1_zps0e06bbff.jpg) (http://s1062.photobucket.com/user/daniddr/media/DDR/DDRdog1_zps0e06bbff.jpg.html)
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/DDR/DDRdog2_zpsd16781ee.jpg) (http://s1062.photobucket.com/user/daniddr/media/DDR/DDRdog2_zpsd16781ee.jpg.html)
Post by: prototype on May 01, 2013, 04:04:43 AM
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 04:12:45 AM
DDR dogs in Russia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PghFyt2uws
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 05:19:52 AM
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 11:21:23 AM
Post by: guest on May 01, 2013, 11:31:19 AM
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 12:39:54 PM
(http://wdcontent11.working-dog.eu/Chester-vom-Domizil-----ww6iWOesrbcPA78bfRrFNkauNw8MBoGOS3ntmkPAEmo,.jpg)
(http://wdcontent12.working-dog.eu/Chester-vom-Domizil-----t9A1WiKRrGU_YWdm4LBs7MEPYtIndGdTmCxXPjLugus,.jpg)
Post by: guest on May 01, 2013, 12:48:35 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on May 01, 2013, 02:59:21 PM
Niste cadre superbeGreat looking head strength shape on this male.
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/DDR/DDRdog1_zps0e06bbff.jpg) (http://s1062.photobucket.com/user/daniddr/media/DDR/DDRdog1_zps0e06bbff.jpg.html)
Post by: Man Stopper on May 01, 2013, 03:10:22 PM
Post by: prototype on May 01, 2013, 09:41:43 PM
Chester v Domizil, foarte frumos exemplar.Frumos intr-adevar, are acel galben placut ochiului.
Post by: ben on May 01, 2013, 09:47:27 PM
Post by: ben on May 02, 2013, 11:33:00 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/375049_275282505942699_379014141_n.jpg)
Post by: guest on May 02, 2013, 11:41:47 AM
Post by: prototype on May 02, 2013, 11:58:52 AM
Post by: guest on May 02, 2013, 12:00:22 PM
Post by: ben on May 02, 2013, 12:04:04 PM
Post by: ben on May 02, 2013, 12:18:16 PM
Knurri's Mailo, 64 cm/40 kg.
(http://wdcontent14.working-dog.eu/Knurri%27s-Mailo-----2KnN4UueC9qOMNxlL8SzsJ2PEG24x06wWEykjHetSec,.jpg)
Post by: prototype on May 02, 2013, 12:19:35 PM
Post by: ben on May 02, 2013, 12:21:30 PM
Post by: prototype on May 02, 2013, 12:22:32 PM
Post by: VINCENT on May 02, 2013, 12:22:51 PM
Post by: ben on May 02, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
Si de ce sa ai numai tu??
Post by: ben on May 02, 2013, 12:32:14 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/941267_447683111985044_712533940_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on May 02, 2013, 01:48:54 PM
Si de ce sa ai numai tu?Am mutat aici (http://canisa-zimbris.ro/forum/index.php?topic=689.150)discutia.
Post by: guest on May 05, 2013, 01:52:40 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/11849_412993802140823_1301161897_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/941004_412993828807487_307900135_n.jpg)
Post by: guest on May 05, 2013, 02:02:49 PM
(http://wdcontent11.working-dog.eu/Eldo-vom-Spatzenhaus-----ww6iWOesrbeFtsjmWQqT_54Ln7VEz31SgZ1bhnylCJs,.jpg)
(http://wdcontent13.working-dog.eu/Eldo-vom-Spatzenhaus-----orCK1MHD-UHctWcHOXbvTvgLkcKe2oK4_bNzW9oSbcw,.jpg)
(http://wdcontent13.working-dog.eu/Eldo-vom-Spatzenhaus-----orCK1MHD-UF2OyTVS6WmerwwS0M1m0F8_puoKXhHbiM,.gif)
(http://wdcontent14.working-dog.eu/Eldo-vom-Spatzenhaus-----2KnN4UueC9p85sZCx7H2Clv5mueZVuUvmojB5Q-A0Tc,.gif)
(http://wdcontent10.working-dog.eu/Eldo-vom-Spatzenhaus-----VQNwgyzbgtMuXVsCFYhrvaSVCv_1YFVpNodo-G1V-ko,.gif)
Post by: guest on May 05, 2013, 02:04:56 PM
Height/Weight: 72 cm/45 kg
(http://wdcontent13.working-dog.eu/Erko-von-der-Konsteinklippe-----orCK1MHD-UEb5j82g67PrjeLM9N14S7d3CzjReta-z8,.gif)
(http://wdcontent08.working-dog.eu/Erko-von-der-Konsteinklippe-----80QvbUkvfV0la23wZiMZATdgAxTmyWwnlF9AkrWJQI4,.gif)
Post by: Man Stopper on May 05, 2013, 02:41:48 PM
Erko von der KonsteinklippeThis is a Super looking sized DDR style :rockon: :cool: OLD STYLE !
Height/Weight: 72 cm/45 kg
(http://wdcontent13.working-dog.eu/Erko-von-der-Konsteinklippe-----orCK1MHD-UEb5j82g67PrjeLM9N14S7d3CzjReta-z8,.gif)
(http://wdcontent08.working-dog.eu/Erko-von-der-Konsteinklippe-----80QvbUkvfV0la23wZiMZATdgAxTmyWwnlF9AkrWJQI4,.gif)
Post by: guest on May 05, 2013, 03:07:04 PM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/KweosMerckx1.jpg)
Post by: ben on May 05, 2013, 10:26:58 PM
Post by: guest on May 06, 2013, 02:15:48 AM
Post by: prototype on May 06, 2013, 02:21:32 AM
Post by: ben on May 06, 2013, 02:22:42 AM
Quote from: Thara link=topic=110.msg46754#msg46754 date=136774
Imi place insa nepotul de Zorro, chiar daca pe partea materna are si niste vest, parca.Ah, asa se explica anumite trasaturi anatonice.
Post by: ben on May 15, 2013, 04:54:25 AM
(http://wdcontent11.working-dog.eu/Afra-vom-Gleisdreieck-----ww6iWOesrbcxjcDZLgSN3I0PacZ6NnG9-c_OJL0dJc8,.gif)
Post by: guest on May 15, 2013, 05:00:13 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on May 15, 2013, 08:52:07 AM
Post by: ben on May 15, 2013, 09:50:12 AM
Post by: guest on May 17, 2013, 02:05:33 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/923159_617374384939244_585128935_n.jpg)
Post by: ben on May 17, 2013, 02:14:31 AM
Post by: prototype on May 17, 2013, 02:18:39 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on May 17, 2013, 02:46:53 AM
Great photo shot..! :rockon:
Post by: ben on May 17, 2013, 04:05:36 AM
Ce nume are...:grin: da, se mai hazardeaza lumea :lol:
Post by: ben on June 18, 2013, 02:32:56 AM
Post by: guest on June 19, 2013, 01:11:45 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/Armeerundschau1969_zpse7c8f0f6.jpg)
Post by: guest on June 19, 2013, 01:14:21 AM
Post by: prototype on June 19, 2013, 03:15:38 AM
Post by: guest on June 19, 2013, 03:26:41 AM
Post by: guest on June 19, 2013, 03:32:46 AM
Post by: guest on June 19, 2013, 03:35:20 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/ddrt_zpsb53b480b.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on June 19, 2013, 08:39:25 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/ddr2_zps2e5a2b5a.jpg)What a tank of a dog this one is, and I believe he doesn't burn fat and muscle through prey..
He is simply civil and gets the job done this way...!
He goes for the knockout Carmen :)and Dani brother ;)
Post by: ben on June 19, 2013, 12:36:18 PM
Post by: guest on June 19, 2013, 01:15:19 PM
Beton pozele astea!Si mie-mi plac, mai am cateva cred, trebuie sa ma uit, o sa revin cu ele zilele astea.
Post by: ben on June 20, 2013, 12:11:30 AM
1969Asta seamana cu Lord G dar are botul mai subtire.
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/Armeerundschau1969_zpse7c8f0f6.jpg)
Post by: guest on June 20, 2013, 12:24:02 AM
Asta seamana cu Lord G dar are botul mai subtire.Exact asta a fost si prima mea impresie. As spune ca are botul mai putin "patratos" decat Lord.
Post by: guest on June 25, 2013, 03:07:40 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n2_zps12d3e7b7.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n12_zps4de7638c.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n1_zps5a111c37.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n15_zpsa4a532df.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n16_zpsfa403865.jpg)
Post by: guest on June 25, 2013, 03:10:23 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n21_zps48b4383d.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n2_zps12d3e7b7.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n3_zps4b4aca4f.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n4_zpse5d4f267.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n5_zps4305d23d.jpg)
Post by: guest on June 25, 2013, 03:13:28 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n8_zps2c9db869.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n9_zps7dfb1d2e.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n10_zps1616d11e.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n14_zpsaed5fe70.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n13_zps761d7a21.jpg)
Post by: guest on June 25, 2013, 03:14:21 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n17_zpsfcadaca2.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/f50t2903p66850n19_zps291729c7.jpg)
Post by: ben on July 26, 2013, 02:54:47 PM
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/daniddr/DDR/DSC_5749_zps7adc1765.jpg)
Post by: prototype on July 27, 2013, 07:54:27 AM
Post by: ben on July 28, 2013, 12:17:19 AM
Post by: ben on July 31, 2013, 04:39:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mH_LyqbjIo
Post by: ben on September 24, 2013, 02:43:33 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1053065_467104550049455_567072396_o.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on September 26, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
Can imagine the dominance of good old Boban.. :devil:
Post by: ben on September 28, 2013, 06:32:52 AM
Post by: guest on October 01, 2013, 09:36:43 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/DDR-Sieger1984QuinnvomKalkbruch_zps1d90dda7.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/Ciobanesti%20Germani/Quinn_zpsca005c8a.jpg)
Post by: ben on October 01, 2013, 09:34:56 PM
Post by: Schwarz on October 01, 2013, 10:19:20 PM
Linie de sange 11c
DDR 19591
SchH.2, Kör 6546/54V
(http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/5955.jpg)
Post by: guest on January 29, 2014, 09:39:48 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/DDR/OdinvomKoumlnigswalderEck_zpse4a75a8e.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/DDR/AchmedvomMutental_zpsc184adf4.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/DDR/HaggyvomLandsberg_zpsd183c93e.jpg)
Post by: guest on January 29, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/DDR/ChrisvomBennogut_zps71656d8c.jpg)
Post by: guest on January 29, 2014, 10:06:27 AM
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/DDR/DDR-Jugendmeistertitel1988_zpsc061a463.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/DDR/Bezirksmeisterschaft1982_zps68d0b7b4.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/DordaiCarmen/DDR/ChrisvonderWindmuumlhlenstraszlige3_zps2f684eb3.jpg)
Post by: ben on March 24, 2014, 11:17:14 PM
Post by: guest on March 25, 2014, 12:22:30 AM
Post by: Schwarz on July 10, 2014, 09:41:17 PM
DDR 42701, SchH 3, Kkl. 1, Kör 5546/44, V, HD-zuerkannt (30-12-1968)
V 1 - DDR-Sieger 1971
V 1 - DDR-Sieger 1972
V 2 - DDR-Siegerausstellung 1973
(http://cdn1.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/3378.jpg)
(http://vonforell.com/ger_images/ger_condorMarderpfahl_1.jpg)