Reg, am not saying a dog like Haug (for example) was not good in terms of temperament, what I am saying though is that you can see the breeders already were selecting/promoting dogs keeping (also) count of what the West breeders were breeding/promoting/selling. besides, I actually like Haug!! My goodness, I would love to have a Haug in my backyard right now!! But going back to what I was saying, take Lito v Trafalga, you will see he resembles quite a bit the west show line dogs. Point in case, the East breeders clearly embraced the west mentality.. I believe it was Gerlinde Schultze who wrote an article (or she was interviewed) and she was an exception to the "rule" at the time, refusing to breed anything but what she considered to be DDR type.