Caini RDG (DDR dogs)

[Johnsk9]

He is credible and he was there(falling of the wall) he would be one of the best persons to verify the dog
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He said Zorro was one of the best and this video does not paint the picture of the Zorro he knew and tested
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[ben]

Ok I found his words in DDR legends:

I personly love this old DDR lines (the look and a part of the caracter). But for sport only mixed with very good and fixed West German Working lines.

[ben]

I believe Uwe mixed east and west eventually..

[Johnsk9]

Yes if you look at the Leerberg video in the mid 80's
the people in the ddr wanted to make show lines to have the money the west was making on dog sales. The video show they are in 1986 converting dogs for show.The strong old type will not be suited for this so they are not bred. They do not fit into the show ring. Uwe does not include this in that statement.But it is clear in the leerberg video.

[ben]

Check out dog and handler at place 93 http://www.dogstuff.info/bsp_1998.html
I wish I met Uwe in person..
Placed 3rd here http://www.working-dog.eu/meisterschaft-details/2044/SV%20LGA%20(LG02)%201998/

[Johnsk9]

I believe Uwe mixed east and west eventually..

  He never was a DDR breeder but like everyone else
they looked at this dogs when the wall came donw.He is a sport guy and to any sport guy the ddr dogs are not good for anything but looks

[ben]

Yes if you look at the Leerberg video in the mid 80's
the people in the ddr wanted to make show lines to have the money the west was making on dog sales. The video show they are in 1986 converting dogs for show.The strong old type will not be suited for this so they are not bred. They do not fit into the show ring. Uwe does not include this in that statement.But it is clear in the leerberg video.

You are probably referring to the Leerburg video..
yeah.. I remember someone posting in another forum that the East Germans would even trade the dogs for goods, they were pretty "hungry" for better quality of life..

[ben]

  He never was a DDR breeder but like everyone else
they looked at this dogs when the wall came donw.He is a sport guy and to any sport guy the ddr dogs are not good for anything but looks

Oh.. I see.. that explains why he actually bred west dogs, under the Luebarser Schloesschen kennel if I'm not mistaking..

[Johnsk9]

"The German Shepherd dog was not created to chase a ball or bite a sleeve.The DDR dog in my opinion is the closest dog to what was breed was intended for or to do. The breed was to guard live stock ,heard. Man bred all the drive and created the sport now man has change the breed far from what it was intended to be."

CG-ul nu a fost creat sa vaneze o minge sau sa muste un manson. In opinia mea cainele DDR e cel mai apropiat de scopul pt care a fost creata rasa. Cainele a fost facut sa pazeasca turma. Omul a perpetuat driv-ul din caine si l-a transformat in caine de sport ceea ce e departe de ce trebuia sa fie un CG.

[ben]

"The German Shepherd dog was not created to chase a ball or bite a sleeve.The DDR dog in my opinion is the closest dog to what was breed was intended for or to do. The breed was to guard live stock ,heard. Man bred all the drive and created the sport now man has change the breed far from what it was intended to be."

Yep, that's the reality of the breed... then again, one would say "we no longer need dogs for sheep and we have technology to protect our homes, so we found a new use for the dog.. in sports"..

Da, este realitatea prin care trece rasa... dar, unii ar putea spune "nu mai avem nevoie de caini pt paza turmei, avem tehnologie moderna care sa ne protejeze casa deci am creat un scop nou pt rasa.. sportul"..

[Johnsk9]

Yep, that's the reality of the breed... then again, one would say "we no longer need dogs for sheep and we have technology to protect our homes, so we found a new use for the dog.. in sports"..

sport =entertainment -----to me it ruined the breed
This in just not the GSD

sport - amuzament ----- pt mine inseamna ruinarea rasei
Asta pur si simplu nu este adevaratul CG

[ben]

sport =entertainment -----to me it ruined the breed
This in just not the GSD

Definitely!! We turned the GSD into a Labrador.. not that I don't like the latter. What do you do in a real life situation with a dog that is good for sports? You fight to save yourself AND the dog, that's what you do...
Categoric! Am transformat CG-ul in Labrador (nu ca as avea ceva cu Lab). Ce faci intr-o situatie reala cu un caine bun de sport - lupti sa te aperi si pe tine si cainele, asta faci...

[Johnsk9]

Definitely!! We turned the GSD into a Labrador.. not that I don't like the latter. What do you do in a real life situation with a dog that is good for sports? You fight to save yourself AND the dog, that's what you do...

Sport is just training we can train mice to do work.
We all need to fight and restore the breed to what it once was.There is still a need for great dogs today and that is without sport.

Sportul e dresaj, putem dresa si soareci sa lucreze.
Trebuie sa luptam si sa aducem rasa inapoi unde era. Inca exista o nevoie pt caini buni in ziua de azi iar asta fara sport.

[ben]

Sport is just training we can train mice to do work.
We all need to fight and restore the breed to what it once was.There is still a need for great dogs today and that is without sport.

There is a documentary about Pitbulls and Leri Hansen makes a point that people now more than ever are in search for good personal protection dogs so yes, we need to help these dogs stay what they were planned for in the first place. People need to be opened to information... I wish more and more people documented themselves before purchasing dogs, many are too easily fooled by a title on a piece of paper. I said this so many times before but to no avail I guess.

Exista un documentar despre Pitbulli unde Leri Hansen spune clar ca in ziua de azi oamenii (cel putin prin State) cauta caini buni de protectie personala deci da, trebuie sa depunem eforturi sa aducem cainii astia pe directia pt care au fost programati. Oamenii trebuie sa se informeze.. imi doresc ca lumea sa se documenteze inainte de a achizitiona caini, prea multi sunt fraieriti cu titluri pe hartie. Am spus asta de multe ori dar cam degeaba, cred.

[ben]

sport =entertainment -----to me it ruined the breed
This in just not the GSD

sport - amuzament ----- pt mine inseamna ruinarea rasei
Asta pur si simplu nu este adevaratul CG

By the way, I was looking for other current DDR dogs online and nowadays they now praise the dogs on websites for "competing" and placing well in agility.. for goodness' sake!!!! I bet that's because the dog can't actually do anything else...

Apropos, cautand caini curenti DDR am dat de sit-uri unde cainii erau laudati pt "concurarea" si buna plasare in agility... las-o balta!! Pun pariu ca asta pt ca nu e in stare de altceva cainele respectiv...