Real training vs sport training / Sport vs Real

[zimbris]

My power keeps going in and out, computer shutting off.  We aren't used to COLD!!!! 

watch out - stuff like that could kill some of the computer parts, such as the mother board - be careful!! It's probably better to wait until this problem goes away (or maybe it's a constant thing..?)

[zimbris]

procesez acum o filmare facuta in scopul contributiei in topic, din partea lui Dux. Pana cand e gata materialul video postez cateva poze (din aceeasi filmare am postat poze in topicul lui Nero si cel al Indiei)

I am processing some training footage Dux would like me to post here to contribute to the discussions. For now i will post some images, i also posted some images, from the same video, in Nerp and India's topic.

un bun prieten, Ender  a close friend of ours, Ender

Dux si Ender





sedinta tehnica inainte de antrenament 

technical review before actual training session

[Man Stopper]

Ready set ACTION.
Weather looks not too bad, nice and cool for a heated confrontation or two..
Looking forward to some new clips..

[Man Stopper]

When the dog catches the man, bite on the sleeve or suit, I slip it and keep running, putting as much prey movement as I can. The handler gives the send command and encourages the dog to pursue the fleeing/flailing man. If needed the decoy can run in kind of a circ
After some repetitions most dogs will start dropping it pretty quickly. I feel like this is the best approach because it is the dogs prey drive that makes him want the sleeve in the first place. Prey drive is one of the strongest drives in most dogs. Especially Mals. lol

Yes prey drive is the strongest, especially in Mals..
Where and when does fight drive come into play ?
Can we say that a high fight drive K9 will focus on Man and naturally let go of sleeve and pursue 'helper'.
So would it be fair to say that 'fight drive' is what we're after, rather than prey drive ?

[zimbris]

postarea asta e din partea lui Dux, el va veni cu comentariile corespunzatoare. urmeaza si clipul cu Nero

this is on behalf of Dux, he will post some comments later on. Video of nero following in a few minutes

Happy, 1 feb 2011

[Man Stopper]

Approaches with confidence and looks positive for early stages of training..
Have you considered doing hidden sleeve for more of a focus on MAn ?

Initiaza lucrul cu incredere si arata bine pt etapte timpurii de antrenament
ati luat in considerare si lucrul cu mansonul ascuns, in vederea focusarii mai bine asupra OMULUI?

[zimbris]

Approaches with confidence and looks positive for early stages of training..
Have you considered doing hidden sleeve for more of a focus on MAn ?

Dux told me yesterday he wants to comment on making use of hidden sleeve, he will be posting later today

Dux deja mi-a spus ca vrea sa comenteze asupra folosirii mansonului ascuns, va posta ceva mai tarziu

[zimbris]

Nero 2.02.2011

[RogerW]

Is it me, or isn't it VERY cool to finally see real work on a dog board...with training focused on something besides fantasy?
Especially with this fine breed, almost ruined by people breeding away from reality?   Very cool Dux...hope to see more and more videos.  

oare numai eu ma bucur sa vad lucru real in tr-un forum cu caini.. cu antrenamente focalizate pe altceva decat fantezii..?
mai ales cu aceasta rasa frumoasa, aproape ruinata de cei care cresc departe de realitate..  F bine Dux.. sper sa mai vedem clipuri.

[Man Stopper]

Dux is no short guy to wrestle, Nero done well..
Would it be better that Dux played dead at the end of session, to reward Nero for winning the wrestle..

Dux nu e chiar scund, te-ai descurcat bine Nero..
Nu ar fi mai bine ca Dux (Ender de fapt) sa fii ramas "mort" la sol la finalul exercitiului, pt a-l recompensa pe Nero?

[zimbris]

Dux is no short guy to wrestle, Nero done well..
Would it be better that Dux played dead at the end of session, to reward Nero for winning the wrestle..

MS, Dux is the handler, ENDER is the agitator  and yes, he is taller than both Dux and myself. i asked Ender to join the forum and sat a few words about Ben 

[bobdog]

Nice work, and what fine looking GSD's! Great muzzle work, very good job of decoying. You are lucky to have use of this one!

[zimbris]

Cheers Bob! Your comments are highly valued! Feel free to judge "to the bone" what you see in the videos 

[bobdog]

To the bone? Really,   I can be pretty critical and very opinionated. Well here goes. Really very good work! I am so impressed with the things I see in your dogs that I would tend to believe are genetic also!       Really only one little thing I noticed. One at one point in the first video, the sleeve was slipped and the decoy became passive and the action seemed to stop for no other reason than that. In my opinion if the dog is sent, and the sleeve is slipped and the dog has not been given a control command, ie platz, here etc, the dog should still be trying to get the guy. You have not called the dog off and If I asked a dog to get some one, wether some article of their dress has come off or not, wether they have gone passive or not, if I have not given the dog an opposing command, he should still be trying to get the guy.And I would want my decoy to help teach this by, after a shot time of being passive, re-stimulate the dog by stinging with the whip, or going into some kind of stimulating motion.

"pana la os"? pe bune?     pot fi destul de critic din cand in cand. Pai hai sa spun. Lucru f bun! Sunt atat de impresionat de ceea ce vad in cainii vostri incat sunt tentat sa cred ca e vb de genetica!  Dar am observat un lucru. In primul clip, la un momentdat s-a eliberat mansonul iar atentatorul era pasiv, motiv din care toata actiunea parea sa se fi oprit. In opinia mea daca patrupedul e lansat, iar mansonul eliberat iar cainelui nu i s-a dat comanda de lasare, cainele ar trebui sa incerce in continuare sa se duca pe om / atentator. Nu ati comandat cainelui sa lase iar daca as cere unui caine sa atace pe cineva, fie ca un articol de imbracaminte al acelui 'cineva' ar cadea etc, daca a devenit pasiv sau nu, daca nu am dat cainelui o comanda de lasare, el ar trebui sa incerce in continuare sa prinda persoana. Si as vrea ca atentatorul sa ajute in acest sens, dupa ce a stat pasiv cateva momente, sa re-stimuleze cainele cu ajutorul biciului sau sa faca anumite miscari atataoare.

[zimbris]

let me just say this before i translate the post above - yes, to the bone!!    Dux will love to hear your view!