Real training vs sport training / Sport vs Real

[bobdog]

I sometimes think prey drive is misunderstood and mis-utilized. Because dogs prey drive is usually channeled toward the sleeve, people tend to believe it is play and not real. Ask a gazelle if the lion that is in the process of killing him if prey drive is real? Understand though I am talking about serious prey drive. Not play drive. They mimic each other, but are not the same thing.  I will try to post a video of a young police dog in training. It is kind of long, because the dog runs a short track before he finds me. If you want to skip ahead to the bite work, to see my point feel free. In this video, I feel that the dog is in prey through must of the work. But there is little doubt that it is real and I am the focus of that prey. I hope you enjoy it.

http://s279.photobucket.com/albums/kk142/bobdog6026/?action=view&current=Xmas2009andDogC4Stuff068.flv

[zimbris]

Foarte interesant ce spune Bob.
Thank you Bob for your professional opinions.
Multumim Dani pentru traduceri.

cu placere!

[bobdog]

Thank you Bobo70. My nickname as an adult for years has been Bobdog, because of my love of dogs. When I was a little boy, a friend of the family took to calling me Bobo for the same reason. lol

Multumesc Bobo70. Pt cativa ani am purtat porecla de Bobdog datorita pasiunii mele pt caini. Cand eram mic, un prieten de familia ma striga asa din acelasi motiv   

[RogerW]

That link did not work for me.  I don't think I've seen this, Bob.  The last time I saw that video was made was the work that Tyson did with Roscoe at the units...
I want to see this.  When I hit the link it goes to MY photobucket account. lol

Pt mine nu a functionat linkul. Nu cred ca am vazut asta, Bob. Ultima oara cand am vazut acel antrenament, era efectuat de Tyson cu Roscoe la sectie..

[bobdog]

Lol! How are you, Roger? It might be because you might be logged in to your photobucket account? Though I am not sure. I clicked on it on this forum, and it took me to the right video. I will send it to your email.

  ce mai faci Roger? Poate motivul este ca te-ai logat pe Photobucket? Nu stiu sigur. Am accesat linkul chiar din acest forum si am vizionat clipul corespunzator. Ti-l trimit din nou pe mail.

[zimbris]

Lol! How are you, Roger? It might be because you might be logged in to your photobucket account?

[kangdanlin]

hello Bob, thanks for answering my question..i understand what you talk about...the dog fights with you, and then you are "almost dead", and the dog just looks at you...when the dog is more calm is easyer to call him back i imagine
i see this session is like fighting--relaxing--fighting again

does the biting session ever finish with you running away..or you always need to "die"?

that sleeve is really hidden i must say:)

buna Bob, multumesc de raspuns..inteleg ceea ce spui..cainele se lupta cu tine, iar tu esti "aproape mort", apoi cainele pur si simplu se uita la tine ...cand e mai calm imi imaginez ca e mai usor sa-l chemi inapoi

sedinta asta o vad de genul lupta--relaxare--iarasi lupta

sedinta se termina vreodata cu tine fugind...sau trebuie sa "mori" de fiecare data?

[bobdog]

Kangdanlin.
No, I don't feel like it has to end with the decoy always dying. This is more in the beginning, or when the dog needs a boost of confidence. I do end often with the decoy running off. Like if I think the dog needs more frustration to help with his desire/drive. In scenario and or control work, the decoy may stay on his feet. just like dogs who had the sleeve slipped to them in early work don't always have the sleeve slipped to them. As the work advances, sometimes they have to out, sleeve intact.

[kangdanlin]

I sometimes think prey drive is misunderstood and mis-utilized. Because dogs prey drive is usually channeled toward the sleeve, people tend to believe it is play and not real. Ask a gazelle if the lion that is in the process of killing him if prey drive is real? Understand though I am talking about serious prey drive. Not play drive. They mimic each other, but are not the same thing.  I will try to post a video of a young police dog in training. It is kind of long, because the dog runs a short track before he finds me. If you want to skip ahead to the bite work, to see my point feel free. In this video, I feel that the dog is in prey through must of the work. But there is little doubt that it is real and I am the focus of that prey. I hope you enjoy it.

http://s279.photobucket.com/albums/kk142/bobdog6026/?action=view&current=Xmas2009andDogC4Stuff068.flv

cate o data cred ca instinctul de prada este gresit inteles/aplicat.Deoarece de obicei instinctul de prada al cainelui este directionat catre maneca, oamenii cred ca este vorba de joaca si nu este real/serios.Intreaba o gazela daca leul care este cat pe ce sa o manance din instinct de prada este un instinct real sau nu.Intelegeti totusi ca vorbesc despre instinctul de prada serios.Nu este vorba despre instinctul de joaca.Sunt doua lucruri similare, dar totusi nu este vorba despre acelasi lucru.voi posta un clip cu un caine tanar de politie la antrenament.este putin lung deoarece cainele fuge la inceput o bucata pana ma gaseste.Daca veti da inainte pana in momentul muscaturii , ca sa puteti vedea despre ce vorbesc e ok.Cred ca in clipul acesta, cainele este mai mult in instinct de prada.Dar este putin dubiu ca nu e real si ca eu sunt de fapt obiectul prazii.Sper sa va placa

[RogerW]

Learn something new every day. lol   I am automatically signed in to my photobucket account, doesn't matter who else's photobucket link I hit, it goes to my account.  So I signed out and watched it.

I know that police dogs have to be trained to hold one bite (for the most part) to avoid departmental liability from lawsuits....  however, I'm still gonna buy you a football helmet and mask.  lol    Remember when Riker almost got Jay's face?   

[zimbris]

Multumesc Kangdanline!

[kangdanlin]

Kangdanlin.
No, I don't feel like it has to end with the decoy always dying. This is more in the beginning, or when the dog needs a boost of confidence. I do end often with the decoy running off. Like if I think the dog needs more frustration to help with his desire/drive. In scenario and or control work, the decoy may stay on his feet. just like dogs who had the sleeve slipped to them in early work don't always have the sleeve slipped to them. As the work advances, sometimes they have to out, sleeve intact.

kangdanlin, nu cred ca sedinta trebuie sa se termine totdeauna cu infractorul "omorat".Aceasta este mai mult la inceput, sau daca cainele are nevoie sa-si intareasca increderea.Deseori termin sedinta cu infractorul pe fuga.Daca consider ca cainele are nevoie de mai multa frustrare pentru a-i mari dorinta/drive-ul.In scenariu sau munca pentru control, "ajutorul" poate sta in picioare, ca si cainii carora li se da maneca, nu o vor primi tot timpul.Pe timp ce munca avanseaza, cate o data vor trebui sa execute comanda OUT, cu maneca intacta.

[kangdanlin]

Multumesc Kangdanline!

[Santos]

orce metoda este buna atat timp cat rezultatele sunt bune dar 80 % din rezultate sunt datorate geneticii Un caine care nu are instinct de lupta cu nici o metoda nu da roade

[kangdanlin]

Learn something new every day. lol   I am automatically signed in to my photobucket account, doesn't matter who else's photobucket link I hit, it goes to my account.  So I signed out and watched it.

I know that police dogs have to be trained to hold one bite (for the most part) to avoid departmental liability from lawsuits....  however, I'm still gonna buy you a football helmet and mask.  lol    Remember when Riker almost got Jay's face?   

invat ceva in fiecare zi.intram automat pe photobucket in contul meu, nu conteaza de pe link-ul cui intram.am iesit afara si acum pot vedea clipul

Stiu ca pentru cainii de politie este necesar sa tina o singura muscatura(in cea mai mare parte) ca sa evite conflictele legale ..oricum, tot o sa-ti cumpar o casca de fotbal si o masca.Mai stii cand Riker aproape l-a muscat de fata pe Jay?