Real training vs sport training / Sport vs Real

[kangdanlin]

orce metoda este buna atat timp cat rezultatele sunt bune dar 80 % din rezultate sunt datorate geneticii Un caine care nu are instinct de lupta cu nici o metoda nu da roade

any method is good as long you get the result you want but 80% of the results are becouse of good genetics.with a dog that has no fighting instinct no merthod will work

[bobdog]

Roger, Yes and I bet Jay remembers it as well. The way that played out, im my mind, showed Riker was in a very serious mindset.

[zimbris]

orce metoda este buna atat timp cat rezultatele sunt bune dar 80 % din rezultate sunt datorate geneticii Un caine care nu are instinct de lupta cu nici o metoda nu da roade

de acord! sau da ceva roade, pana la un punct...

[bobdog]

Santos, Thats absolutely correct what you say about 80% of it being genetics. I also believe 80% of being a good trainer for this work is in the ability to see or realize that you don't see this in a young prospect.

santos, ai perfecta dreptate in privinta procentajului legat de genetica. Cred in acelasi timp ca 805 din a fi un dresor bun in acest tip de lucru consta in abilitatea de a vedea sau realiza ca nu poti observa acest lucru intr-un caine tanar.

[bobdog]

Thanks all of you for your quick translations.

[zimbris]

Santos, Thats absolutely correct what you say about 80% of it being genetics. I also believe 80% of being a good trainer for this work is in the ability to see or realize that you don't see this in a young prospect.

that again, I believe is questionable..
I am mentioning Ben again here - he showed high interess in barking at strangers from a very, very early age. At 7 months old I had my first case of a guy knocking at my door, sent by the vet, to look and see that Ben had all his vaccination shots. I guess what i mean is, sometimes a dog shows intense fight drive, even from a very early age. (as he got older, at least 2 individuals ended up in hospital, Ben has been a watch dog at my uncle's company)

din nou, nu cred ca putem generaliza nici asta. il mentionez din nou pe Ben, el a dat semne clare de inst de lupta f dezvoltat de la doar 3 luni de viata. la 7 luni am avut primul caz cu om muscat.

[bobdog]

Zimbris, I am some how missing what you are saying is questionable. It sounds like it was easy to tell he was a good prospect.     

[RogerW]

I do not think Dani understood your sentence ...Bob said being a good trainer is the ability to see a good prospect, or recognize that it's not a good prospect.

That's a great prospect from a young age.. very rare, as was my 4 month old Neapolitan Mastiff trying his hardest to bite a man at our front door.  Just a baby pup.  He was not fooling around and would have bitten him, no doubt.  
But his best son, Mog, took until 18 months or so to show that kind of intensity and courage.  Maybe even longer.

I have mentioned that at 5 months old, the first time I took Drago to the park he advanced on a guy that was walking up to us and the man stopped and turned around.  I now believe (knowing Drago) he would have bitten him, but I thought it was very strange at the time.

[zimbris]

ohh.. thank you Roger - Bob, my apologies! My understanding (or should I say missunderstanding) was, I thought you said you can't see the (instinct) qualities in a young prospect (young dog) - that was what I interpreted...

[zimbris]

Zimbris, I am some how missing what you are saying is questionable. It sounds like it was easy to tell he was a good prospect.     

yes, that's what I was saying (I need to work on my communication skills  )

[zimbris]

ok, let's see, I underlined what I understood:

I also believe 80% of being a good trainer for this work is in the ability to see or realize that you don't see this in a young prospect.

...and so, my understanding was, you don't see (this) particular instinct-based qualities, in a young dog. And I was trying to state that i believe sometimes you do see that.

[RogerW]

Bob's sleeping peacefully in the wilds of Afghanistan...lol   I"m sure he'll be back on tomorrow.  Simple misinterpretation.   

[zimbris]

Bob's sleeping peacefully in the wilds of Afghanistan...lol 

 
Bob only had a few posts and he already stirred up things.. well, the topic itself is that kind of topic (things being stirred up) - this is what we need here, in order learn from each other! I am honored to have all the guys around here!

[RogerW]

He didn't mean to stir anything up, he was only speaking our native language, which is Texan.   

I actually read it like you did the first time I skimmed it, until I re-read it.   But, he could barely hold his eyes open (he told me) and it was after midnight after a somewhat stressful day at work...which is looking for bombs in a war zone!   So, I think I'll cut him some slack. 

[zimbris]

oh man..
by "stirring up" I only meant positive feedback! this is one good topic and it is very important to go through these things in order to stay away from the sport-like approach to training! Bob brings high quality stuff to the table and actually i noticed you two have another thing in common, appart from dogs that is, and that is you can both articulate very well, your thoughts! I know people like Bobo are looking for this kind of info and, the better it is explained and unpacked, the easier it is to be "ingested", by someone like Bobo. Technical side (terminology) of things is important.