Real training vs sport training / Sport vs Real

[prototype]

Cred cu tarie ca pentru a produce pui buni, ai nevoie neaparat ca ambii imperecheati sa fie buni. Altfel, daca astepti doar dintr-un mascul bun, zmei, ramai cu asteptatul.

[ben]

Cred cu tarie ca pentru a produce pui buni, ai nevoie neaparat ca ambii imperecheati sa fie buni. Altfel, daca astepti doar dintr-un mascul bun, zmei, ramai cu asteptatul.

Depinde cum anume definesti "bun", in contextul asta; iti vor spune si crescatori de caini din alte rase ca, poti imperechea mascul bun cu o mamaliga de catea si sa iaza zmei cum le spui tu. Linia o trage genetica iar daca am avea control asupra astui fapt, trompetele s-ar gasi doar la magazinul de muzica. 

[prototype]

Bun, adica sa se incadreze in caracteristicile rasei. Si care ar fi procentajul de bun in conditiile in care s-ar monta doua exemplare la poli diferiti? Zic ca mic, in comparatie cu un caz in care ei ar fi apropiati ca nivel.

Intr-adevar genetica are mersul ei, nu-i poti impune, dar o poti pune la incercare, ca sa zic asa.

[ben]

Bun, adica sa se incadreze in caracteristicile rasei. Si care ar fi procentajul de bun in conditiile in care s-ar monta doua exemplare la poli diferiti? Zic ca mic, in comparatie cu un caz in care ei ar fi apropiati ca nivel.

De ce anume am pus intrebarea - poti avea o catea care musca mansonul etc, e corecta anatomic dar care e mai moale, noi am spune ca e "ok" - la asa ceva ma refer cand spun "mamaliga". Nu vorbesc de o catea slaba la extrema, pt ca ea va transmite si gene nedorite, indiferent de aportul liniei paterne sau de calitatile regasite chiar in linia ei. Bun.. spun asta mai mult in baza informatiilor decat a experientei, eu nefiind unul care a montat atat de mult, ba din contra.

Intr-adevar genetica are mersul ei, nu-i poti impune, dar o poti pune la incercare, ca sa zic asa.

Pai nu asta au facut si fac crescatorii?    In unele cazuri au dat de aur, inn alte cazuri de regret.

[ben]

Ce stil de mers are conductorul ala!

Chiar ma gandeam la asta; in cativa ani de zile prevad tot felul de detalii mai mult sau mai putin amuzante, ca efecte "secundare" ale sportului.

[prototype]

Pare previzibil oarecum ca se va incerca tot felul de jokerii, sa transforme totul in circ.

L.E.: pusesei tu o filmare cu un cal, care dansa ca o adolescenta incalzita cu un gin. Cred ca multora li s-ar ridica parul in cap daca ar vedea si caini maimutarindu-se in halul ala.

[ben]

Pare previzibil oarecum ca se va incerca tot felul de jokerii, sa transforme totul in circ.

Da, tin minte cum spunea Dux ca se va intampla cutare sau cutare lucru si... s-au adeverit cuvintele lui. Totul parca se transforma intr-o smecherie gandita bine astfel incat sa aduca bani. Iar daca animalul percuteaza in competitie... what more do you want, where is the problem? Sau sa-l citez pe Martin Lawrence in "National Security" - what the problem is? 

[Man Stopper]

In another topic i mentioned about the very few dogs who score a '3' on the 4th digit.. Which scores the dogs temperament.. Would it be fair to say that these dogs have an "active" aggression trait..
Rather than a dog who scores a '5' is considered to be friendly relaxed and VERY hard when provoked..
Then would this mean this dog is more RE - ACTIVE in his behaviour.. ???
Hope i made some sense, in what i'm trying to say...

[ben]

In another topic i mentioned about the very few dogs who score a '3' on the 4th digit.. Which scores the dogs temperament.. Would it be fair to say that these dogs have an "active" aggression trait..
Rather than a dog who scores a '5' is considered to be friendly relaxed and VERY hard when provoked..
Then would this mean this dog is more RE - ACTIVE in his behaviour.. ???
Hope i made some sense, in what i'm trying to say...

Oh gees.. I need to really understand what you're saying before I can reply.. from what you are saying, I think I like the 5 scoring type.

[guest]

I think I like the 5 scoring type.

Me too.

[Man Stopper]

I will give an example with 3 dogs,  that i will just make up a Kor rating score..

K9 (a) 6543/54  : The fourth number is a '3' ; reserved, suspicious, aggressive

K9 (b) 5546/45    The fourth number is a '4' ;  aggressive, sharp, hard, dangerous

K9 (c)  5565/44    The fourth number is a '5' ;  relaxed friendly , very hard when provoked

Would K9 (b) considered to be what they call having "ACTIVE" AGGRESSION

Whilst K9 (a) (c) are dogs that work in a "RE ACTIVE"  AGGRESSION MODE.. 

Since we're focusing on temperament,  which of these is ideal and/or lacking in todays lines...????

 

[ben]

Since we're focusing on temperament,  which of these is ideal and/or lacking in todays lines...????

 

A bit of irony.. are you kidding me?? The modern dog cannot be found under any of those descriptions 
Seriously, I would have thought that would be 4 and 5 in my view. Quite a lot of modern dogs are "reserved" and that's because of fear, not suspicion towards strangers. But that's my opinion, I could be dead wrong.. what's your own say on this?

[prototype]

I don't understand why "3" number and "5" number are in the same aggression mode?

[ben]

I don't understand why "3" number and "5" number are in the same aggression mode?

Actually looking at those details, this requires some more detailed thinking, I recon...

[prototype]

Maybe someone will explain that in detail.