Caini RDG (DDR dogs)

[zimbris]

John spune ca unul din cainii cu adevarat "reali" (duri) care au existat este Pele Kiebitzmoor, care a fost proprietatea dnului Peter Immel, care in activitatea lui de supraveghere a cainilor de servici au fost inclusi cainii de patrula, cainii militari, precum si desfasurarea competitiilor canine.


John m-a rugat sa postez chart-ul  ZPT'lui. Deci... acesta este un ZPT:

[zimbris]

Pele vom Kiebitzmoor. SchHIII ZPT 6446/44

body type - powerful
constitution - maturing problems
build - good angulations
temperament - relaxed, friendly, hard when provoked
sharpness - good
courage and hardness - good

[Johnsk9]

Dani This looks very good I think Pele is about 9 yrs old in this photo. This male had a great zpt and was a highly trained dog.It was said that the decoys did not enjoy catching him."Crushing bites". He was a large Grey dog and as you can see in this photo his age is showing very much. I Can tell you Pele is a half brother to  Bronco vom Kiebitzmoor
 and i have a very large son Enno vom Ostschutz he has the crushing grip that seems to come from this bloodline.
John

Dani, poza asta arata bine, mi se pare ca Pele are 9 ani in poza. Acest mascul a avut un ZPT foarte bun a fost un caine dresat la un nivel avansat. Se spune ca agitatorilor nu prea le placea lucrul cu Pele. "Prize (muscaturi) nimicitoare". Era un caine mare, sur si, dupa cum se vede si in poza se cam vad anii pe fata lui. Pele este frate vitreg cu Bronco Kiebitzmoor. Eu am un fiu de Bronco, Enno vom Ostschutz, are o priza foarte dura care probabil se datoreaza geneticii.

[Johnsk9]

Dani This looks very good I think Pele is about 9 yrs old in this photo. This male had a great zpt and was a highly trained dog.It was said that the decoys did not enjoy catching him."Crushing bites". He was a large Grey dog and as you can see in this photo his age is showing very much. I Can tell you Pele is a half brother to  Bronco vom Kiebitzmoor
 and i have a very large son Enno vom Ostschutz he has the crushing grip that seems to come from this bloodline.
John

Dani, poza asta arata bine, mi se pare ca Pele are 9 ani in poza. Acest mascul a avut un ZPT foarte bun a fost un caine dresat la un nivel avansat. Se spune ca agitatorilor nu prea le placea lucrul cu Pele. "Prize (muscaturi) nimicitoare". Era un caine mare, sur si, dupa cum se vede si in poza se cam vad anii pe fata lui. Pele este frate vitreg cu Bronco Kiebitzmoor. Eu am un fiu de Bronco, Enno vom Ostschutz, are o priza foarte dura care probabil se datoreaza geneticii.

Enno vom Ostschutz

[zimbris]

Serious looking face right there!

[Johnsk9]

Serious looking face right there!

Enno is 18 -20 moths old in photo

Enno are 18 - 20 luni in poza

[Man Stopper]

It seems that Fels v. Kemmlerblick ZPT 6543/55 would in my opinion be the ultimate on a score card..

se pare ca Fels v. Kemmlerblick ZPT 6543/55 ar fi punctat cel mai tare in chart


Powerfull   Puternic
Ideal         Ideal
Good Angulation     Angulatie buna
Reseved suspicious or aggressive    rezervat suspicios sau agresiv
Very good   Foarte bine
Very good   Foarte bine

The fourth digit being a score of "3" which means { reserved,suspicious or aggressive } has not been given to many dogs at all.. Only a few like Ex Reidstern and Fels v Kimmlerblick have this score of "3"..
And it seems very rare to see a score of "4" which is an aggressive, sharp, hard and dangerous..
Would it be better to to use a dog with a score of "3" or "4" in the fourth digit, to produce more naturally suspicious/sharp dogs..

[Johnsk9]

This is when the ddr breed books come in handy. It would tell you what year and age the Kor: or ZPT was tested on that dog. If the Kor or Zpt was taken at a young age lets say 2 yrs old these numbers can and were increased at a later age. Why because as the ddr matured and the hardness kicked in and in many line 3yrs and older.
 The 4th number could be different at a mature age and then what kind or type of dogs do you wish to own/breed. The Gsd has been changed over the past 20 something years to tone down or remove this aggression/ sharpness to avoid liability. Today most people do not want the very hard dogs they want extreme ball and prey drive.


Aici vedem cat sunt de folos registrele canine DDR'iste. Ele iti spun in ce an si respectiv la ce vasta a fost evaluat cainele prin ZPT. daca evaluarea a fost facuta la o varsta tanara, sa spunem 2 ani, numerele ZPT pot creste / si au crescut corespunzator cu varsta. de ce, pt ca pe masura ce cainele s-a maturizat si durtatea si-a facut teptat aparenta, in multe linii, la varsta de 3 ani sau mai mult.
Al 4lea numar se poate schimba o data cu inaintarea in varsta si atunci poti cunoaste ce fel sau ce tip de caine ai vrea sa deti / cresti. CG'ul a tot fost schimbat de-alungul ultimilor aprox 20 de ani pt a inmuia sau reduce aceasta agresivitate / ageritate, pt a se evita raspundere legala. In zilele noastre oamenii nu mai vor cainii duri, vor cainii cu super drive si super-aportori.

[zimbris]

While we're talking about ZPT.. which dog scored highest in the DDR?

Pt ca tot vorbim de ZPT... care caine a punctat cel mai bine/mult, in RDG?

[zimbris]

Also, John maybe you can mention a few things that are overlooked about the DDR dogs, so people visiting this section could be well informed.

Totodata, John poate poti mentiona cateva lucruri importante despre caini RDG'isti, lucrui necunoscute sau carora nu se acorda atentie, pt  ca cei ce viziteaza aceasta sectiune sa fie inormati.

[zimbris]

Se vorbeste despre CG'ii RDG-isti ca fiind caini cu mai putin drive, desi dupa cum se vede in clipul cu Lord Gleisdreieck postat in forum, se poate vedea drive cat cuprinde...
Si in sustinerea ideii ca si cainii DDR-isti au drive, uitati-l pe Gomez v.d Grauen Mostab (nepot de Don Haus Iris). Chiar imi place atitudinea cainelui.

Although it's being said the DDR dogs have less drive, the Lord Gleisdreieck shows plenty drive. To also add to this, have a look at Gomez v.d Grauen Monstab (grandson of Don Haus Iris). I actually like that dog's attitude.
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[Man Stopper]

Gomez is an extremely focused dog and seems like he could of been trained for any purpose, he has plenty of drive/concentration..
Would like to know what the difference is between DDR and West dogs of today ? Besides bone structure and darker pigmentation !
If its true that they have toned down sharper/hard dogs and people want prey/high drive..!!
Its taken half a century to get only a hand full of well noted hard dogs/producers of DDR breed, and within 2 decades the word "DDR" is on a piece of paper but the marjority not really in spirit shape or form...!!

[Johnsk9]

Se vorbeste despre CG'ii RDG-isti ca fiind caini cu mai putin drive, desi dupa cum se vede in clipul cu Lord Gleisdreieck postat in forum, se poate vedea drive cat cuprinde...
Si in sustinerea ideii ca si cainii DDR-isti au drive, uitati-l pe Gomez v.d Grauen Mostab (nepot de Don Haus Iris). Chiar imi place atitudinea cainelui.

Although it's being said the DDR dogs have less drive, the Lord Gleisdreieck shows plenty drive. To also add to this, have a look at Gomez v.d Grauen Monstab (grandson of Don Haus Iris). I actually like that dog's attitude.

The statement of the DDR dogs is true 100% But it does not mean every dog.There are dogs that have great drive like dani states. My dog Ebony would surprise most anti ddr people.The DDr dogs have always been known for balance.Today the most are bred for sales and not so much for work

Ceea ce se spune despre cainii DDR-isti este adevarat 100% dar nu se aplica in cazul tuturor ainilor DDR-isti. Sunt si caini care au mult drive asa cum afirma Dani. Cainele meu Ebony ar surprinde majoritatea celor care sunt impotriva cainilor DDR. Cainii DDR-isti au fost stiuti intotdeauna pt echilibru. In ziele noastre majoritatea cainilor DDR sunt crescuti pt comert nu atat de mult pt lucru.

[Man Stopper]

Speaking of females, thought i might mention Illa von der Mittelhauser Flur or well known 'oldie' Burga v Haus Himpel...
Both well known females which are sometimes overlooked...!

Apropos de femele, ma gandeam sa o mentionez pe Illa von der Mittelhauser Flur sau pe 'batrana' Burga v Haus Himpel...
Ambele fiind femele foarte bune dar adesea neluate in atentie...!

[Johnsk9]

Speaking of females, thought i might mention Illa von der Mittelhauser Flur or well known 'oldie' Burga v Haus Himpel...
Both well known females which are sometimes overlooked...!

Hello Reg
I like Burga she is in a class by herself. The ddr knew this and did some real breeding with her.
Most people would not know this and today it would not surprise me that people would this is a bad way to breed. But the results were some very tough dogs. Take a very close look at this  and it was done more then once

Salut Reg
Si mie imi place Burga, ea la randul ei are o clasa anume. Germanii estici au stiut asta si au facut niste monte bune cu ea.
Multi oameni nu stiu asta si nu m-as mira daca in zilele noastre oamenii ar spune ca nu e o alegere buna pt programul de crestere. Dar din astfel de monte au rezultat niste caini foarte puternici. Priveste cu atentie graficul asta, astfel de monte au fost facute nu o data.