Two Eagles' Goku of Zimbris

[RogerW]

Working ability is part genetics and part training...and sometimes very much training unless exposed during real work.

But fighting back when a stronger pup wants his food?   Humping the dominant pup?  That's pure genetics.

Abilitatile de lucru sunt in parte genetica si in parte dresaj.. iar in unele cazuri f mult dresaj fara ca animalul sa fi trecut prin lucru real.

Dar sa lupti cu un mascul mai puternic care vrea sa-ti ia mancarea? sa 'incaleci' masculul dominant? asta e genetica pura.

[zimbris]

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[Zak]

Roger he and Dino are real great dogs. 

I don't think there is much between then now interms of shape and size only differences in personalities.

Dani What you think?

But yours seems to have a real think neck and deep chest.  Wow!

What you been feeding him??

I have just spent around 20 minutes admiring the photos of him.  Am sure he will have an amazing and unique build and shape.  As far as his temprement is concerned I think it speaks for itself when you and Dani have been giving us an insight into it.

Again thanks for the pics.

P.S dont stop!!!

[zimbris]

Roger he and Dino are real great dogs. 

I don't think there is much between then now interms of shape and size only differences in personalities.

Dani What you think?

I think "time", as that is the element left to show what comes of these pups. At this moment in time, i would say Dino will be bigger (taller) than Goku, and will have his sire's legs and independent temperament. Goku will be a more "defensive" dog and somewhat "calmer' than Dino, who is "loud" by default  lol   Goku will have a more compact body and I think his head will look a little bit like Happy's, while Dino's head will be closer to his father's.
Actually, you guys can test my ability to "predict" all these things, when time for protection work will come. I say, Goku will do a more defensive, aggressive work (take it really seriously). Goku will bite to protect his boss, Dino will bite because he wants to BE the boss.     

[RogerW]

Thanks Zak!  I feed a dog food called Exceed Lamb and Rice, but I supplement it with raw turkey necks...although he has stopped liking them and I will move on to something else.  It may be because he is teething, or about to, I don't know.
Don't worry about pics, Zak, in the last 2 or 3 years I started taking a lot of pictures of my dogs so that I could take notes and have it to look back on....so you will see plenty of pictures! 

Roger he and Dino are real great dogs. 

I don't think there is much between then now interms of shape and size only differences in personalities.

Dani What you think?

But yours seems to have a real think neck and deep chest.  Wow!

What you been feeding him??

I have just spent around 20 minutes admiring the photos of him.  Am sure he will have an amazing and unique build and shape.  As far as his temprement is concerned I think it speaks for itself when you and Dani have been giving us an insight into it.

Again thanks for the pics.

P.S dont stop!!!

[Man Stopper]

Looking really good there Roger and am sure he will be a thick solid type dog, most likeley more than your solid black male..!
As for character well he sure is confident which is a good start..!
All the best with Goku and its good to see your full of joy..

[Zak]

Thanks Roger,

Turkey necks sounds good.  I found my dog would get the runs when I gave him bones.  Although he is ok with raw meat.

Do you giver your dogs bones and if so what kind?
Any tips?

Multumesc Roger,

gat de curcan, suna bine. Cainele meu are probleme daca ii dau oase. Dar e ok cu carnea cruda.
voi dati cainilor vostri oase si daca da, de care?
ceva sfaturi?

[zimbris]

I would only give my dogs raw cow bones (spine bones particularly, they love those)

eu le dau doar oase de vita (mai ales cele mai maduvoase, le adora)

[RogerW]

Thanks MS!!  Yea, Goku's legs are just about as big around as Drago's now...lol, probably not, but they're big.

Zak I feed raw chicken, for little pups just chicken and turkey necks and then for older pups goku's age or older I will give them chicken leg quarters every now and then, not every day.   You just have to make sure it's raw...can't be microwaved, boiled, cooked in any way at all or the bones will splinter and could kill them.
But I've never had a dog have problem eating raw chicken and chicken bones, although all I usually feed them is the legs and thighs.  (and necks for babies).

It is a little concerning to some people about the raw chicken bones, but think about how many dogs have killed chickens and not died.   They're ok, as long as they are not cooked in any way.  IMO

Multumesc MS! Da, picioarele lui Goku sunt aproape la fel de groase ca ale lui Drago.. lol.. ok poate nici asa, dar oricum, mari.
Zak, ii dau pui crud, cateilor mici doar gat de pui sau curcan iar pt catei mai mari, de varsta lui Goku sau mai mari, le dau picioare de pui din cand in cand, nu zilnic. Dar sa fie crud.. nu la microunde, fiert, gatit in nici un fel altfel oasele care se intaresc / sparg prin fierbere ii pot omori.
Nu am avut niciodata probleme cu vreun caine care a mancat pui crud sau oase de pui, desi de cele mai multe ori e vorba doar de picioare / pulpe (si gat pt catei mici)

Stiu ca unii se ingrijoreaza in privinta oaselor de pui, dar sa ne gandim la cati caini au vanat si mancat pasari si nu au patit nimic.
Sunt ok, atata timp cat nu sunt gatite in nici un fel. Parerea mea.

[zimbris]

hehe... Desa killed and ate 2 chicken not long ago, she is just fine  lol

Desa a omorat si mancat niste gaini nu demult si nu a patit nimic

[guest]

Do you giver your dogs bones and if so what kind?
Any tips?

I would only give my dogs raw cow bones (spine bones particularly, they love those)

Yes, only cow bones, and only raw! Sometimes I boil the bone to get only the spine.  
Anyway, it's well known that chicken, fish or lamb bones are very dangerous for dogs and completely contraindicated, not mentioning the pork (meat and bones!)

Da, doar oase de vita si doar crude! Uneori fierb osul pentru a scoate maduva doar. 
Oricum, este bine stiut ca oasele de pasare, peste si miel sunt tare periculoase pentru caini si complet contraindicate, sa nu mai mentionam de porc (atat carnea cat si oasele!)

hehe... Desa killed and ate 2 chicken not long ago, she is just fine  lol

Well, I wouldn't let her repeat that action too often. I always thought that in cases where it's possible it's better to prevent than to treat.

Ei bine, eu nu as lasa-o sa repete de prea multe ori faza asta. Am fost intotdeauna de parerea ca in cazurile in care este posibil, mai bine sa previ decat sa tratezi.

[Leo Pui]

... Zak I feed raw chicken, for little pups just chicken and turkey necks and then for older pups goku's age or older I will give them chicken leg quarters every now and then, not every day.   You just have to make sure it's raw...can't be microwaved, boiled, cooked in any way at all or the bones will splinter and could kill them.
But I've never had a dog have problem eating raw chicken and chicken bones, although all I usually feed them is the legs and thighs.  (and necks for babies).

It is a little concerning to some people about the raw chicken bones, but think about how many dogs have killed chickens and not died.   They're ok, as long as they are not cooked in any way.  IMO

Here is the prove to support what Roger said.


I have being feeding RAW on this litter and they are as fine, wink!

[zimbris]

I agree with Thara that i would rather stay away from the element of risk, but then also, i consider wolves in the wild when they are lucky and hunt some gees or whatever.. also, Ben and Uzi used to hunt doves and eat them, they never had one tiny problem.

Sunt de acord cu Thara ca e mai bine sa ocolesti problema decat sa o tratezi, dar totodata ma gandesc la lupi, cand mai prind cate o ratza sau alte pasari.. sau, ma mai gandesc la Ben si Uzi, care vanau turturele si le mancau, nu au avut nici un fel de problema.

[RogerW]

No, carnivores have no problems with bones as long as they aren't cooked in any way.  If you boil, microwave or bake or fry or any other way of heating bones, that is what causes them to be brittle and splinter off.
People always believed chicken bones were bad for dogs because they gave them left overs and that will kill them, or can.
I do not want to make anyone uncomfortable though, if they are with feeding raw chicken legs and thighs.  I think it's very good for them, though.

Now, pork, neither raw or cooked is good for dogs, they do not have the right enzymes to break pork down and it can cause much trouble.   I do not ever feed pork to dogs.

Nu, carnivorele nu au probleme cu oasele atata timp cat nu sunt gatite, in nici o forma. daca fierbi, prajesti etc, orice forma de gatit a oaselor, asta le face sa se intareasca si sa sa produca aschii.
oamenii mereu au crezut ca oasele de pui sunt periculoase pt caini, pt ca le dadeau resturi.
dar nu vreau sa deranjez pe nimeni, daca au probleme cu datulpicioarelor de pui la caine.  cred totusi ca ele sunt f bune pt caini.
Acum, porcul nu e bun nici crud nici gatit, pt caini, nu au enzimele care sa se descompuna si pot provoca probleme. niciodata nu dau porc la caini.

[zimbris]

well i think, in theory, ANY raw meat / bone could potentially be good for them...
I fed my dogs chicken legs before.. nothing happened...