Separation / Separarea cateilor

[Man Stopper]

Wanted some opinions on if its OK if the pups are seperated from the mother at the age of 4 weeks, would this be negative psycologically and physically ??

As vrea sa aud niste pareri cu privire la separarea cateilor de mama la varsta de 4 saptamani, ce credeti, asta ar avea impact fizic si psihologic negativ asupra cateilor?

[zimbris]

Wanted some opinions on if its OK if the pups are seperated from the mother at the age of 4 weeks, would this be negative psycologically and physically ??

I think I would like to hear John's opinion on this one..  I would personally say there are disadvantages to early separation...

Mi-ar face placere sa stiu opinia lui John in privinta asta.. personal cred ca sunt dezavantaje in separarea timpurie a cateilor de mama..

[dux]

Wanted some opinions on if its OK if the pups are seperated from the mother at the age of 4 weeks, would this be negative psycologically and physically ??

As vrea sa aud niste pareri cu privire la separarea cateilor de mama la varsta de 4 saptamani, ce credeti, asta ar avea impact fizic si psihologic negativ asupra cateilor?

eu zic ca nu este bine.atat din punct de vedere ,,psihologic'' deoarece cateii invata multe de la mama la varsta respectiva si din punct de vedere medical nu este bine.eu am facut asta candva si cateaua a facut ,,mamita'' adica s-au intarit mameloanele ca piatra.de atunci am luat exemplul pe care mi-l da natura.adica mi-am pus intrebarea daca lupoaica se separa de pui la varsta asta.si raspunsul este nu.lupoaica isi intarca singura puii si tot ea ii invata si anumite ,,secvente'' comportamentale.eu de atunci n-am mai separat puii de catea la varsta  de o luna si nu am avut absolut nici o problema.

I believe early separation is not good. Psycologically, the pups are still learning a lot fro the mother, and  from a health stand point that's also bad. I did that  a few years back and the mother developed a milk related problem (mamita), the breasts went very hard, almost stone-like. And so since then I learned my 'nature given' lesson. I asked myself if the mother wolf separates her pups that early. The answer is no. The mother wolf will do that at the right time and in the same time she also teaches the pups a number of behavioral 'sequences'. And so I stopped separating the pups at the age of 4 weeks and had no problems since.

[Man Stopper]

What kind of lessons can the Mother teach the pups,could you guys give some examples please ? If not at 4 weeks then at 5 weeks i have read that its beneficial for a pup to learn independance and deal with what the world has to offer, which is a good thing i feel... I can understand that nutritionally it can have a negative impact on growth due to a lack of cacium and other valuable supplements....If the circumstance arises that the mother is bothered with the scratches and so on from feeding,would milk supplement and mince meat, egg, bread be sufficient enough to replace mother natures given milk ?

[bobo70]

What kind of lessons can the Mother teach the pups,could you guys give some examples please ? If not at 4 weeks then at 5 weeks i have read that its beneficial for a pup to learn independance and deal with what the world has to offer, which is a good thing i feel... I can understand that nutritionally it can have a negative impact on growth due to a lack of cacium and other valuable supplements....If the circumstance arises that the mother is bothered with the scratches and so on from feeding,would milk supplement and mince meat, egg, bread be sufficient enough to replace mother natures given milk ?

I think the mother's milk can't replace with the human's food.
The mother's milk has many natural supliments and help increase immunity pups.

[Man Stopper]

I agree you cant replace the mothers given nutrients, but i was thinking that by 5 weeks you could gradually seperate the pups from the mother and each other to establish independance as this foundation is important for their future...Give them time with the mother for feeding and then seperate those pups with potential especially those with security working potential.. I asked what would be the benefits for the pups beyond 4 - 5 weeks in spending 24 - 7 days a week, psycologically how are they better off.. I really cant see what or how they may benfit, could you guys possibly point some out ??

[Man Stopper]

Would it be fair to say that the new owner (master) should raise and nurture the young pup for his future raising. The mother has done her part and possibly the pup will have a new leader to guide him/her to a strong positive future.. Is this a good or bad thing ?

[Iuliana]

[kangdanlin]

si la noi cred ca este ilegal sa ii separi inainte de 2 luni...am vazut scris pe undeva, nu mai stiu unde

[zimbris]

Ehe... din nefericire sunt destui producatori "pe banda" (puppy farm cum le zic americanii) care abia asteapta sa dea catelul mai repede si sa pice banul. Personal consider varsta de 8 saptamani ca fiind cea minima, in toata perioada respectiva catelul inca primeste mult de la mama si, nu ma refer numai la lapte..

Eu l-am luat pe Ben al meu (primul meu CG) la 1 luna si 2 zile!!! Pe vremea aia habar nu aveam de una sau alta.. ma interesa sa iau catelul ca eram disperat sa am unul. Pe langa asta, la momentul cand am ajuns acolo deja mai erau doar 2 catei in cuib, Ben si respectiv frate-sau negru complet. Altfel spus, fratiorii lui fusesera luati mai devreme de o luna si 2 zile!!! Din fericire cuibul respectiv a fost unul "puternic", nu numai ca si Ben si frate-sau Dick au fost caini super, dar putinele progenituri ale lor au fost caini de exceptie, nu toti au excelat pe fizic, dar in temperament au fost "rachete".
Ben a fost mai subtirel decat Dick si este posibil ca, faptul ca l-am luat atat de devreme sa fi avut un cuvant de spus in privinta asta.

Am mai vazut cazuri de-a dreptul enervante, unde crescatorul a dat catelul la 2 sau 3 saptamani!!!!! urmand ca noul 'proprietar' sa hraneasca cu biberonul catelul (????!!   ) iar catelul bine-nteles a murit in doar 2 zile (din cate tin minte)..

[Bogdan]

Incepand cu saptamana 4 (sau chiar3) mama incepe procesul de intarcare. Problema separarii de mama inainte de 8 saptamani nu este atat de importanta pe cat e separarea din cuib. Informatiile primite in haita aia mica stau la baza cainelui de mai tarziu. Din aceasta cauza la varsta de 3-4 saptamani se pot face deja "selectii" ale puilor pentru ca deja apar anumite tipare comportamentale.

Daniela (DogPassion) si Windy au acum o relatie deosebita tocmai pentru ca Windy la 4 saptamani reusea sa evadeze din tarc doar pentru a fi mai aproape de mine decat de mama ei. Acest caine o sa aprecieze intotdeauna relatia cu stapanul mai mult decat relatia cu alt caine.
In acelasi cuib, Wolf este o fire total opusa de Windy. Independent si atent cu stapanul doar daca i se ofera o recompensa "grasa".
Wako la 4 saptamani isi manifesta deja frustrarea prin latrat si la 8 luni a rupt lesa in timpul unei sedinte de paza atat de mult sa "turat".

Astia sunt cainii care au avut ceva diferit de restul puilor. Bineinteles ca au si ei defecte la fel cum ceilalti au calitati.

Dar cu siguranta nu se pot face (si nu face nimeni) astfel de observatii in cazul in care scopul crescatorului e altul decat oferirea unui pui care sa satisfaca setul de cerinte al cumparatorului.

[guest]

Iuliana, bine zici! Daca toti ar gandi asa ar fi bine! Din pacate sunt multi care vor sa investeasca putin si sa scoata mult - de regula, producatorii pe banda, inmultitorii. Pe acestia nu-i intereseaza cum evolueaza cainele in rest. Conteaza enorm de mult acele 2 saptamani pe care puiul le-ar petrece in plus alaturi de frati si de mama, exact asa cum spune si Bogdan - cainele invata de acolo ceea ce nici un stapan, oricat de iubitor ar fi el, nu-l va putea invata.
Si da, este ilegal si la noi despartirea puilor de cuib mai repede de 8 saptamani. Cati respecta asta, desi stiu? ...
Pe de alta parte, am mai citit, cu stupefactie, cereri in care era specificat ca puiul sa aiba varsta de 2, 3, 4 saptamani - probabil "prada" preferata a inmultitorilor, care abia asteapta sa vanda puiul cat mai repede => sa scape cu cat mai putine vaccinuri/deparazitari/ hrana, de cele mai multe ori la pretul unuia de 2 luni.

[Santos]

la 1,5 luni se pot separa de mama ,daca trece de 2,5 luni si nu este separat de mama si frati  mai tarziu pot aparea probleme de comportament

[zimbris]

la 1,5 luni se pot separa de mama ,daca trece de 2,5 luni si nu este separat de mama si frati  mai tarziu pot aparea probleme de comportament

hmmm...
n-as prea fi de acord, in trecut am vazut opusul, catei care-au crescut in grup au devenit caini super, inclusiv cand au fost separati. Personal as lasa lucrurile sa mearga de la sine, sa nu fortez eu intr-o directie sau alta. Las cateaua 'libera' sa dea cu parul cand crede ea ca e gata sa faca asta  

[Man Stopper]

Could i ask what positives and negatives can occur if 3 young pups 16-20 weeks shared a kennel run,  until they would be seperated..
Would this 5 month old pup have dependance issues and/or find it difficult to be calm; Or would it vary from dog to dog ?
As i am considering to get a pup as i have described, appreciate some experienced opinions..

Ps Have not seen the pups since they were 4 weeks of age, so dont really know what to expect when i see them this week...!

As vrea sa intreb care credeti ca sunt bunele si relele care pot aparea cand 3 catei de 16-20 saptamani stau in acelasi padog, pana cand vor fi separati..
Ar avea acest catel de 5 luni, probleme de dependenta si/sau s-ar stapani/calma cu greu (ar fi agitat); sau lucrurile difera de la caz la caz? urmeaza sa iau acest catel si astept cu nerabdare opiniile voastre...

PS - Nu am mai vazut cateii de cand aveau 4 saptamani si nu stiu la ce sa ma astept cand ii vedea saptamana asta...!