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Alte rase de lucru / Other working breeds
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Offline bobo70

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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #270 on: October 25, 2011, 09:49:32 PM »
Este drept ca mie nu-mi plac si din aceasta cauza pot fii subiectiv, dar nu vezi nicaieri folosit cainele asta pe scara larga la paza, decat in curtile oamenilor sau a catorva firme. Deci este doar o optiune a fiecaruia atunci cand vine vorba de paza. Nimeni nu face paza de perimetre sau obiective in mod profesionist cu Caucazieni. Poate doar in cazuri foarte speciale, dar eu nu am auzit. Cat despre faptul ca este caine ca si alti caini are dreptate Tessa, dar sunt anumite caracteristici ale fiecarei rase de care trebuie sa tii cont atunci cand iti achizitionezi un caine, trebuie sa-ti evaluezi corect potentialul propriu. Sunt lucruri pe care nu poti sa le schimbi oricat dresaj ai baga in el. Caucazianul are comportamentul clasic al ciobanestilor de stana, este o rasa oarecum primara, foarte suspiciosi, greu de dominat (mai ales daca au ajuns la maturitate deplina), au anumite limite in a invata diverse lucruri, etc.

Este ca in discutiile alea pe care le aveam cu cei care sustineau ca CG-ul este unul singur si poate fi un caine excelent si cainele de show... Corect...., intr-o oarecare masura, daca nu intri mai adanc in problema si nu observi ca la nici o competitie serioasa de lucru, sau in serviciul serios al unei institutii specializate nu apare nici macar un singur CG de show. Sunt foarte multi caini buni de paza si acolo, dar tot asa prin curtile unora nu la scara larga...

I'd be fair to say I personally don't like them and on that basis I may be subjective, but you don't really get to see this dog used widely in protection, but maybe in the backyards of individuals or companies. So it's just down to options / preferences as far as guarding goes. Nobody does professional perimeter watch using a Caucasian O. Maybe in some special situations, but I have not heard of any. Tessa is right in saying it's just a dog like other dogs, but there are breed particularities which a potential buyer needs to consider, one needs self evaluating before deciding what type of dog to go for. There are things one cannot change regardless the training hours. The CO has the typical behavior of a sheep dog, fairly primary breed, very suspicious towards strangers, not easy to dominate (especially once they reached adulthood) they are limited in learning some things, etc.
It's like those talks we had with those saying the GS dog is one type and that the show line can be the same very good dog.. Right.., to some degree, if one doesn't really dig into more depth of info, to note that in no serious sport competition or special service no show line dog is present. many good watch dogs there too, but the same, in the backyards of some, nut very widely used.

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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #271 on: October 25, 2011, 10:11:40 PM »
Fara indoiala Caucazienii nu sunt caini pt oricine, din capul locului datorita dimensiunilor. Daca la dimensiuni adaugi potentialul agresiv, desigur omul nu se grabeste sa-si ia unul.
Cred ca ce incearca Tessa sa spuna este ca da, sunt anumite aspecte de care trebuie sa tii cont, dar ca intr-un final tot un caine (modelabil) este, nu un tigru neimblanzit.
Ar fi un aspect de luat in calcul cand spui ca nu e folosit la scara larga caucazianul - anume ca, este f posibil ca de fapt sa fie folosit "la greu" dar la rusi, asa cum o fac si cei de la penitenciar cum am vazut in clip. Multi folosesc cainii astia dar pur si simplu nu au "treaba", ca sa spun asa, cu promovarea online sau in general, imortalizarea cainilor lor. Am gasit secvente video mai vechi, cand cautam imagini cu cainii DDR, reprezentand Caucazieni. Cainii astia au fost folositi de rusi cu mult inainte ca alte rase sa aiba un impact mondial.
In plus, tendinta este ca cel ce cauta caine, sa ia ce este folosit mai des (gandire ce da rezultate f "bune" , initial, in randul celor care se aleg cu un caine de show in curte si ulterior sunt dezamagiti). Nici eu nu sunt mare fan al cainilor de stana, dar am avut caine dur si stiu ca se poate lucra si cu asa ceva.
Ca o paranteza amuzanta, una peste alta, Leo trebuie sa faca o sala de fortza pt oamenii / handlerii lui  :lol:

No doubt the CO is not a dog for anyone, considering the size, to start with. If to that we add the aggressive side, surely one thinks twice before deciding what to buy.
I believe what Tessa aimed to say is, there are certain aspects one need to consider, but that at the end of the day we're still talking about a dog, not an untamed tiger.
You need to consider one other aspect before you say these dogs are not widely used; it's very possible that these dogs are actually widely used in Russia, just as we saw in that video. many use dogs that they simply don't film. A while back when I was looking for old footage of DDR dogs i came across of some videos of CO. These dogs were used long before other more modern breeds "conquered" the world.
Further more, the tendency out there is to buy what everyone else is buying (which works very well unfortunately, if we think of those looking for a GS dog and end up with a show line dog and subsequently experience frustration). I am not a big fan of the big sheep dogs, but I have owned a tough dog and I know for fact one could train them.
As a funny side note, Leo should build a gym for his handlers
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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #272 on: October 25, 2011, 10:27:37 PM »
Asta cu siguranta....
Muschi baieti, muschi..... si atentie la zgarda de forta..... :grin: :grin: :grin:

That's for sure...
Put on some meat, boys... and watch that prong collar... :grin: :grin: :grin:

zimbris

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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #273 on: October 25, 2011, 10:28:32 PM »
la stana 



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zimbris

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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #274 on: October 25, 2011, 10:35:49 PM »
Asta cu siguranta....
Muschi baieti, muschi..... si atentie la zgarda de forta..... :grin: :grin: :grin:

That's for sure...
Put on some meat, boys... and watch that prong collar... :grin: :grin: :grin:


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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #275 on: October 25, 2011, 11:04:48 PM »
inca 2 din serviciul militar

2 more shots of CO in military service




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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #276 on: October 25, 2011, 11:35:18 PM »
... Ca o paranteza amuzanta, una peste alta, Leo trebuie sa faca o sala de fortza pt oamenii / handlerii lui  :lol:

... As a funny side note, Leo should build a gym for his handlers  :grin:
Noted with thanks on your tips.  By the way, any one in Romania wanna to come to Malaysia for a two years contract as security dog-handler?  ;)

Am luat la cunostinta, cu multumiri. Apropos, vrea careva sa vina in malaezia sa lucreze cu contract pe 2 ani, ca si handler cuc aine de securitate?  ;)

Asta cu siguranta....
Muschi baieti, muschi..... si atentie la zgarda de forta..... :grin: :grin: :grin:

That's for sure...
Put on some meat, boys... and watch that prong collar... :grin: :grin: :grin:
Apart from the prong collar, I have also two numbers of NEW e-collar still sit in the box  :devil:
pe langa zgarda de fortza, mai am si 2 zgarzi (asa se zice) electronice, nou-noutze! :devil:
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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #277 on: October 26, 2011, 02:27:45 AM »
inca 2 din serviciul militar
2 more shots of CO in military service
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Asta pare mai deghraba un Saint Bernard prin muntii Elvetiei...  :cheesy:

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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #278 on: October 26, 2011, 02:30:49 AM »
Noted with thanks on your tips.  By the way, any one in Romania wanna to come to Malaysia for a two years contract as security dog-handler?  ;)

...................... Apropos, vrea careva sa vina in malaezia sa lucreze cu contract pe 2 ani, ca si handler cuc aine de securitate?  ;)
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Daca ai degand sa cumperi Caucazieni, trebuie sa anunti din timp, sa ne apucam serios de antrenament la sala de forta... :grin: :grin:  :grin:

If you want to buy Caucasian, must announce the time, we start serious training at the gym ... :grin: :grin: :grin:

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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #279 on: October 26, 2011, 02:44:56 AM »
Asta pare mai deghraba un Saint Bernard prin muntii Elvetiei...  :cheesy:
Sa stii ca si mie mi-a lasat impresia asta.   :think2:


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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #280 on: October 26, 2011, 02:47:21 AM »
Sa stii ca si mie mi-a lasat impresia asta.   :think2:

Da. Cred ca-l plimba soldatii cu ei pentru butoiasul cu tarie pe care ar trebui sa-l aiba la gat. Altfel vad ca au un CG negru pentru alte misiuni. :grin: :grin:

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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #281 on: October 26, 2011, 02:47:58 AM »
Am postat de doua ori din greseala...

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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #282 on: October 26, 2011, 02:55:34 AM »
Asta pare mai deghraba un Saint Bernard prin muntii Elvetiei...  :cheesy:
eu la cautare am bagat caucasian shepherd dog

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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #283 on: October 26, 2011, 03:07:03 AM »
Am mai gasit ceva poze interesante :







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Re: Alte rase utilitare / Other working breeds
« Reply #284 on: October 26, 2011, 03:08:52 AM »