Alte rase de lucru / Other working breeds

[Sorin]

Crescatorul asta a importat mai multe exemplare de dogo canario din spania si ia montat cu pit ca sa le dea talia mai joasa ,nerv mai puternic si osatura medie, cainii lor sunt testati la limite.

[zimbris]

[Sorin]

Caini care rezistau in cele mai dure conditii! 

[Sorin]

Ia uite-i si pe astia ,de la min. 35 incepe

[Sorin]

Sultan imi place mult tare, cel maroniu.

[zimbris]

tot Dobermannul ala maro imi place mai mult 

[Sorin]

Sunt doua rase total diferite ,dar si daca te-a muscat un presa ramai fara mana, sunt puternici rau cainii astia.

[Sorin]

Dobermanul e forta, nu mai gasesti un asemenea exemplar din rasa asta in ziua de azi.

The Doberman was one pure strength, you won't find them again these days.

[zimbris]

Sunt doua rase total diferite ,dar si daca te-a muscat un presa ramai fara mana, sunt puternici rau cainii astia.

da frate.. chiar ma gandeam, cand eram in Florida, ma jucam cu Sheba, cateaua Cane Corso.. ii simteam fortza in muscatura si miscari doar asa, in  joaca.. ma gandeam, un exemplar "serios" daca pune gura pe tine, esti terminat.
In anumite parti din Africa, unii folosesc Mastino si Boerboel in combaterea criminalitatii,.. am ceva prieteni care au fugit in Anglia, din Zimbabwe; aveau proprietati mari si frumoase dar le erau calcate de hoti inarmati pana in dinti. Cei care nu au parasit tzara, au caini din rasele mentionate de mine.  Roger stie de cateva situatii de genul. Chiar.. am sa traduc, in caz ca vrea sa spuna ceva.

Indeed,  was actually thinking while I was in Florida, when playing with Sheba, the Cane Corso bitch, I felt the power in her jaws and movement and thought, if a "serious" C Corso individual gets you, you're finished.
In some parts of Africa, people use Mastinos and Boerboels in fighting crime. I got friends in England who fled from Zimbabwe because of thieves praying on their properties, those who did not live the country have dogs of the breeds I just mentioned. Roger would know a thing or two about this.

[Sorin]

Eu am tinut un mascul de presa in mana si ai impresia ca e un buldozer care nu-l poti stapani, gandeste-te sa te muste ,ai murit pe loc,boerboell am vazut in realiate si aici s-a distrus mult ,in africa pe la ferme doar daca mai gasesti cainele care era inainte.

I had a male Pressa in my hands and it feels you're holding on to a bulldozer you can't handle, not to mention being bit by one, you're dead. i saw some Boerboels they're not that good, maybe you find good ones just in Africa on farms.

[zimbris]

in africa pe la ferme doar daca mai gasesti cainele care era inainte.

gasesti, omu' a reprodus caini care sa faca fatza hotzilor inarmati.  Voi ajunge si pe la Roger si am sa filmez ceva exemplare de Bandog, el a folosit ceva sange adus de la africani.
In principiu, moloshii au muscatura puternica, periculoasa, nu cred ca poti sa compari CG-ul cu asa ceva, cu exceptii. Dux a avut exemplare de CG la lucru, care - il citez - musca precum Rottweilerul.
Apropos de asta - o sa vedeti ceva filmari in toamna / iarna care, zic eu, o sa va placa   Dux va avea niste caini cel putin "interesanti" la lucru.

You do find good ones, they bred dogs that can face thieves. I will visit Roger some day and will get some of those dogs on video, I know he used some of that blood.
By default, moloss dogs have a stronger bite, you can't compare the GSD one to that, with few exceptions. Dux has had a few GSD's in training that bit like (and I quote) Rottweilers.
As far as that goes, you will see some fine footage in the coming weeks, Dux has some (at least) interesting dogs in training.

[Sorin]

Cg nu are muscatura asa puternica ca un presa ,sau un bandog, la rasele astea le simti forta muscaturii chiar si prin manson, in schimb au si foarte multe defecte, aia stiu sa muste si c-am doar atat. Ciobanescul german e cainele complet.  

The GSD does not have the bite strength of a Presa, Bandog, you really feel the strength of these ones even through a sleeve, but they do have their weak points, they can only bite well and just that.  the GS dog is the complete dog.

[zimbris]

Cg nu are muscatura asa puternica ca un presa ,sau un bandog, la rasele astea le simti forta muscaturii chiar si prin manson, in schimb au si foarte multe defecte, aia stiu sa muste si c-am doar atat. Ciobanescul german e cainele complet.  

corect. Asta e motivul pt care, la randul meu, am ramas cu CG-ul. Am avut perioadele mele in care am "flirtat" cu Pitbull-ul, Bulldogul American si Presa, dar datorita lui Ben, am ramas fixat pe CG.

Right. That is also why I stayed dedicated to the GS dog. I had my own times when I flirted with the pitbull, the Bulldog or the Presa, but because of Ben, I stayed with the GSD.

[RogerW]

I imported my original foundation Neapolitan Mastino from S. Africa.  He was nothing like the show dogs you see; hardy, tough, great wind and speed for a big dog...devastating in personal protection.  For me, they were a bit too defensive to make the type dog I need, and the American Bulldog/Neos that we produced were more to my liking because they brought some social behavior back where they could be taken everywhere, and also added the tremendous heart and toughness and ability and strength of our line of ABs.   I love both of those breeds, and when we started the Dutch Riker project, it was to just add the trainability, speed, and bite inhibition of a great KNPV line dutch shepherd, with the added power of the others.    I wanted a dog that has all the attributes of the warrior dogs in them, but look like they do not have any pit bull blood, because of the social stigma, and the dutch rikers will in the end look more like a Dobermann on steroids than a bulldog breed.  

Eu am importat cainele meu de baza din Africa de Sud. El nu se compara cu cainii de frumusete pe care ii vezi; dur, agil, rapid pt un caine mare.. devastator in protectie personala. Pt mine, ei erau ptuin prea defensivi pt cainele pe care doream sa-l produc, iar Bulldogii Americani si Neo pe care i-am produs erau mai apropiati de scopul propus pt ca au avut ceva calitati sociale pana in punctul in care puteau fi luati in locuri diferite, pe langa asta au adaugat dedicarea si duritatea, abilitatile si duritatea Bulldogilor nostri. Iubesc ambele rase, iar cand am inceput proiectul Dutch Ryker, s-a cautat obtinerea dresabilitatii, viteza si muscatura unui ciobanesc olandez de KNPV, plus puterea de la celelalte rase. Am vrut un caine care sa aiba atributiile unui razboinic, dar care sa nu aiba aspect de Pitbull, din cauza reputatiei negative sociale, iar intr-un final Dutch Ryker-ul o sa arate ca un Dobermann pe steroizi, decat ca un Bulldog American.

RIKER

[zimbris]

Hey Roger, whay not say a few words about this Dutch Ryker project, let the guys know what you're up to.  GS dog or not, deep down we love the working dog.
I know Santos has had various dogs of different breeds, he could add to this topic.

Roger, de ce nu ne spui maim multe despre proiectul tau Dutch Ryker, sa stim cam ce intentii ai. CG sau nu, cu toti apreciem un caine de lucru.
Santos a avut caini din mai multe rase, el poate contribui aici in topic.