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zimbris

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1020 on: December 30, 2011, 02:20:47 PM »
eu cred ca CG trebuie sa fie un caine complet. Sa fie  bun si in sport si in paza. Daca se face selectia doar intr-o anumita directie se risca sa nu mai fie cainele complet. Va fi ori caine de paza ori de companie
asa e, dar asa cum vezi, lucrurile au picat cu precadere intr-o singura directie, pt ca (probabil) sunt mai multi bani acolo. Cine vrea sa faca banu' gros, vinde ce se papa pe piatza.. despre asta vorbeam si cu Chuck; si uite asa, se duce rasa la vale de nu se poate.. Doar de-aia bubuie netul cu articole prin care se atrage atentia asupra mersului rau al rasei.

zimbris

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1021 on: January 07, 2012, 11:13:50 PM »
Inca un clip scurt din drumurile facute cu Tessa prin Europa. Am editat dinc e am pt ca nu am voie sa arat prea mult.


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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1022 on: January 08, 2012, 12:36:33 AM »
Frumos caine.

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1023 on: January 08, 2012, 07:19:41 AM »
Imi place mult coloritul asta la un CG.

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1024 on: January 08, 2012, 05:42:06 PM »
Like the colour also and especially the sharper eyes on this young..

zimbris

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1025 on: January 09, 2012, 11:08:09 AM »
Finally I would like to say that I like more a dog with more defense drive, but without prejudice to prey drive
same here..

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1026 on: January 09, 2012, 12:13:39 PM »
  • First question: Does anyone know Max Cerny Obelisk? This dog from my point of view, is a typical czech dog with old czech blood. This dog is a typical czech dog, is the result of the selection czech.
    Max Cerny Obelisk has won several military competitions. I'm sure that military competitions in the Czech Republic are very serious competition, focused on the needs of police work, military, even today.
    From my point of view, the characteristics of this dog are in line with the type of dog who Man Stopper describes: malinois that uses the police in some countries for protection work. I think that he is a dog with a tremendous prey drive and with much active aggression.

My friends from Czech Republic have mate with this male twice. I will mate Bella also with him next time in heat.
TATR is testing dogs in more real life situation and loks like KNPV.

Its nice to have you here.

zimbris

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1027 on: January 09, 2012, 12:17:27 PM »
is this the dog in question..?
you could help me understand better what you mean when you say "old czech blood", as I see German blood in the dog's pedigree, too.




I like the looks of his sire  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=443798



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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1028 on: January 09, 2012, 01:35:34 PM »
My friends from Czech Republic have mate with this male twice. I will mate Bella also with him next time in heat.
TATR is testing dogs in more real life situation and loks like KNPV.

Its nice to have you here.

daca tu esti multumit de cainii pe care ii ai este foarte bine Nu trebuie sa dai explicatii, trebuie sa arati ce pot face ei si produsii lor Pe mine nu prea ma intereseaza acte sau povesti cu stramosi ci as vrea sa vad pe cei care sunt acum ce pot face Asta nu o spun pentru tine ci pentru toti cei care merg pe principiul asta. Un caine bun trebuie sa aiba prada, aparare ,instinct de lupta, rezistenta la durere si dresabilitate

If you are satisfied with the dogs that you have it's very good. There's no need for you to explain yourself, you must show what they can do, and also their offsprings. I'm not really interested in papers or talks about their ancestry but I wanna see the dogs from right now what they can do. I'm not saying this only for you but for anyone who goes on this principle. A good dog must have prey drive, defense, fight instinct, pain endurance and must be trainable.

zimbris

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1029 on: January 10, 2012, 12:01:06 AM »
With regard to the instincts of the dogs, and although I'm not a sports fan, I believe that everyone can learn, and I invite you to read the opinions on the instincts in protection work of Helmut Raiser. I don't agree with all of his criteria, but with much.
My concept of Real dog, of prey drive, of defense drive and natural instinct in a good guard dog, is the result of my experience in security work, reading, speaking and contrasts many opinions (to do it this forum is interesting) and the great help of my daughter. She is a psychologist and she has helped me understand many concepts about canine behavior, about natural instincts, about their conditioning, etc. etc.

Allow me to make sure you did not feel offended in any way; some of us in the forum question some dogs or things because we do not like the way things are going for the breed, and some dogs have been highly (or in part) overrated. That is why you see us sometimes asking for videos etc, analyzing a dog just based on the pedigree or sleeve work stopped being effective for some of us a few years ago. We are in search of dogs that can be tough with and without the handler on sight. Reality is, such dogs are very, very hard to find these dogs.
Now, having said all this, I hope it didn't feel like we questioned your expectations, dogs or experience, that is not the case. We all want to work together to TRY and improve the on-going history of the GS dog breed, which at least in our view, is undergoing major challenges and dare I say, irreversible ones.

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1030 on: January 10, 2012, 05:56:04 PM »
is this the dog in question..?
you could help me understand better what you mean when you say "old czech blood", as I see German blood in the dog's pedigree, too.




I like the looks of his sire  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=443798




In the first 6 generations this dog has predominantly Czech dogs with Treu and Bojar on the maternal side way back, which prob does not count for much..
But in regards to the dog we see, well its for real and does display a very good balance for some serious work in my opinion..
Sure it's had its repetitive training and conditioned, but has a hard approach in action, and IMO can see the fight drive and desire to engage in fight..
'Cipisek bites like racket' is a video, which shows i believe to be Max and it sure hits like a ROCKET...!

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1031 on: January 10, 2012, 06:35:29 PM »
We had a dog here in the mid 90's, of Czech and DDR bloodlines named Dares z Geradonu..!
He can be viewed on You Tube to see him work..
I think Zarinopol will like this dog who IMO displays a balance of 60% Prey & 40% Defense give or take..

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1033 on: January 18, 2012, 01:35:39 AM »
un caine care mie imi place foarte mult

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Re: Ciobanescul German de Lucru
« Reply #1034 on: January 20, 2012, 08:08:07 PM »
'Memorial pplk. Jana Ryby leden 2012.wmv' -  on You Tube..
Impressive work by various dogs..