Refusal of food (Refuzul de hrana)

[Man Stopper]

Have heard over the years that some dogs, apparently would refuse to eat from strangers...
Is this possible and if so how/what is the best method ?

De-alungul timpului am auzit ca uni caini aparent refuza sa manance de la straini...
Esta posibil asa ceva iar daca da, care e metoda cea mai buna?

[zimbris]

well.. are you referring to dogs who would "natively" refuse to eat from strangers (in which case no actual method has been applied) or to dogs who have been trained not to eat from strangers?

pai, te referi la caini care nativ nu mananca de la straini (in care caz nici o metoda de dresaj nu a fost aplicata) sau la caini care au fost dresati sa nu manance de la straini?

[Zak]

Is it possible to do such A thing?
Well out of interest why don't you explain natively and actually training a dog not to eat from strangers?

[zimbris]

Dux and Santos would have a bigger word to say in that regard. What I would say though is, I wouldn't think a dog would natively refuse food from strangers.
As for training, there are pieces of equipment designed for that purpose, also to replace the old "slap" technique I guess.

[Zak]

That is very interesting and for one would love to hear dux and santos thinking and experience on this?
With my own dog I have managed to train him to only eat the food I put down for him on my command.  Even if strangers encourge him to eat it he will not unless I indicate to him.
But I understand thats not the same thing.

[Man Stopper]

well.. are you referring to dogs who would "natively" refuse to eat from strangers (in which case no actual method has been applied) or to dogs who have been trained not to eat from strangers?

pai, te referi la caini care nativ nu mananca de la straini (in care caz nici o metoda de dresaj nu a fost aplicata) sau la caini care au fost dresati sa nu manance de la straini?

Yes refering to the training of a dog, for example NOT to eat for a period of 8 hours or so, if a good piece of meat was thrown over fence..
I just find that the level of discipline required, might be just too much for most dogs to resist temptation of eating..
Unless probally plenty of 'hard' discipline time, has been given possibly to create a form of fear...!

[zimbris]

I have seen Dux using electronic equipment for this purpose and he had great results. This was a few years back..

[Santos]

eu folosesc tot echipamente electronice celelalte metode nu prea dau rezultate. Chiar daca folosesti echipamente electronice si nu ai grija mai departe cu dresajul (adica sa manance doar din vasul lui sau din mana stapanului )va pierde foarte repede aceasta deprindere

I too use electronic equipment for this purpose, i didn't get great results with other methods. If you use this method wisely (so the dog is allowed to eat only out of his food bawl or owner's hand) he will lose the habit of eating from strangers

[Man Stopper]

Thanks guys i have not heard of this method with Electronic Equipment, will look into it and consider..

[RogerW]

Thanks for the advice, Santos.  I have an e-collar that I never have used, but I will use it for this.   I have sold a dog and about to sell more to a man in Costa Rica, and I need to teach him how to train for food refusal (they all ought to be trained for it so I will train all of mine as well)  because security is a big deal down there...the biggest business is security right now and crime is rampant in the cities, and people will poison a dog in a hurry.

Multumesc pt sfat, Santos. Am o zgarda electronica pe care n-am folosit-o pana acum dar o voi face in scopul asta. Am vandut un caine si urmeaza sa mai dau cativa unui om din Costa Rica si trebuie sa-l invat cum sa-si dreseze cainii refuzul hranei (toti trebuiesc dresati in scopul asta asa ca-i voi dresa si pe ai mei) pt ca securitatea e o chestie delicata pe-aici... cea mai mare afacere in prezent este securitatea, infractiunile fiind frecvente in orase, iar oamenii nu se sfiesc deloc sa otraveasca un caine.

[HANS]

Eu imi invatam cainii sa nu manance decat de la mine sau persoane apropiate folosind o bucata de carne si o baterie de masina.
Este o metoda foarte rapida.
In acelasi timp, rugam prietenii sa le ofere mancare, in momentul in care cainele incerca sa ia mancarea, persoana respectiva il lovea cu palma, iar eu dadeam cainelui comanda sa atace. In scurt timp a invata ca, in momentul in care i se oferea hrana, urma o lovitura, asa ca reactiona urat cand cineva incerca sa ii dea mancare.
A doua metoda nu as recomanda-o decat in cazul cainilor folositi pentru paza, deoarece se pot intampla accidente.

I teach my dogs not to eat except from me or people close to me using a piece of meat and a car battery.
It's a very fast teaching/learning method.
In the same time, I was asking friends to give them food, when the dog tries to take food, the person hit him with hand and I gave my dog a command to attack. Soon the dog learn a slap will come too when someone tries to give him food.
The second method would not recommend unless you use dogs to guard only, cause accidents can happen.

[istvan]

Ce facem cand persoana care ofera mancarea este pasiv, sau este un copil? Sau cainele gaseste mancare pe teritoriul lui. Cit timp refuza ?

[HANS]

A doua metoda nu as recomanda-o decat in cazul cainilor folositi pentru paza, deoarece se pot intampla accidente.

Cum spuneam si mai sus, e o metoda pe care as folosi-o doar pentru cainii proprii de paza.

Cainii nu se atingeau de mancarea gasita pe jos, invatasera ca electrocuteaza. Nu am testat timpul maxim de refuz, dar sunt convins ca nici un caine nu poate refuza la nesfarsit, mai ales daca este flamand.

[istvan]

Care sunt conditiile si regurile care trebuiesc  indeplinite la refuzul de hrana.

[HANS]

Nu stiu sa existe reguli in sensul asta, chiar as fi curios.
Ce spun ca faceam, era doar pentru cainii mei