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Offline Man Stopper

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Re: Line Breeding/ In Breeding
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2010, 09:48:14 AM »
Would like to know what the difference would be if you breed the Dam and Son together, in comparison to Sire X Daughter.. Is their more of a chance for genetic problems from one another ??

Mi-ar faca placere sa stiu ce diferente ar fi intre a monta Mama cu Fiul respectiv, Tata si Fiica.. creste oare riscul problemelor genetice, de la unul la altul??

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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2010, 10:04:22 PM »
Maybe somebody with extensive knowledge could share some opinions on that, such as John

Poate cineva cu experienta vasta poate sa impartaseasca ceva opinii, cum ar fi de ex John

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Re: Line Breeding/ In Breeding
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2010, 10:38:13 PM »
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
Would like to know what the difference would be if you breed the Dam and Son together, in comparison to Sire X Daughter.. Is their more of a chance for genetic problems from one another ??
I have some good reading about these in my homepage, click HERE!

Am niste materiale interesante despre asta pe sit'ul meu, mergeti aici: HERE
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2010, 10:49:10 PM »
our thanks Leo! ;)

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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2010, 07:01:16 AM »
It is much more likely that both parents will carry the same recessive gene if the parents are related. The risk of a serious disease or malformation in a child of such a union is about 1 in 20. However, among married first cousins, the risk increases to about 1 in 11. If the couple are first-degree relatives, the risk is 1 in 2.
These are written statistics that does not meant it is written in stone.Through the history of the German Shepherd dogs
inbreeding and line breeding has always been a part of the breed


Sansele ca ambii parinti sa poarte aceeasi genea recesiva atunci cand sunt inruditi. Riscul unei boli serioase sau a malformatiilor intr-o progenitura este de 1 din 20. Totusi, intre veri primari casatoriti, riscul se gaseste intr-un raport de 1 din 11. Daca cuplul este format din rude de gradul 1, riscul este 1 din 2.
Toate acestea sunt statistici scrise iar aceasta nu inseamna ca sunt scrise in piatra. De-alungul istoriei rasei Ciobanesc German inbreeding-ul si linebreeding-ul au facut parte din peisajul rasei.

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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2010, 09:06:53 AM »
Thanks for that Leo, have read some of the info and its something i would have to read over and over again i guess to absorb much better.. :? fellow members.
Maybe some table or examples are needed i think, something simplified.. :evil:

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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2010, 09:16:58 AM »
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
Thanks for that Leo, have read some of the info and its something i would have to read over and over again i guess to absorb much better.. :? Read again and read over again ... so, I decided to put it in real by doing so!  :? fellow members.
I dont have the 'excess" of getting close into the the grand-sire/grand-dam and therefore, "making-use" with what I have to start with!  :)  If not well its more homework i guess :evil:[/quote]LOL!  Dude, you just got it right!
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2010, 09:43:50 AM »
Well theory is important, but most importantly is to have others who share the same vision.. Which is re creating a balance of sharpness and civil drive, which some would like to see come back in the working GSD.. Any other members willing to do my homework 1ha

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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2010, 10:19:48 AM »
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
Well theory is important, but most importantly is to have others who share the same vision.. Which is re creating a balance of sharpness and civil drive, which some would like to see come back in the working GSD.. Any other members willing to do my homework :mrgreen:

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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2010, 09:25:35 AM »
Great dogs who were not inbred/linebred such as Titus z. Pohrancini straze, are considered legendary.. Wondering if we can list other well known DDR/Czech/West working dogs that have made a contribution in the working service scene..

Caini renumiti care nu au fost folositi in consangvinizari, precum Titus z PS, sunt considerati legendari... Oare mai putem enumera alti caini cunoscuti DDR'isti sau Cehi, care au avut o contributie pe scena de lucru (serviciu)

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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2010, 10:23:54 AM »
Grim Pohranicini , Norbo Ben Ju  and Dargo Ha Ja Da are some i just noticed.. So i guess it seems that i would not need to stress and do so much homework.. 8-)

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Re: Line Breeding/ In Breeding
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2010, 01:56:23 AM »
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
Great dogs who were not inbred/linebred such as Titus z. Pohrancini straze, are considered legendary.. Wondering if we can list other well known DDR/Czech/West working dogs that have made a contribution in the working service scene..

Caini renumiti care nu au fost folositi in consangvinizari, precum Titus z PS, sunt considerati legendari... Oare mai putem enumera alti caini cunoscuti DDR'isti sau Cehi, care au avut o contributie pe scena de lucru (serviciu)

Caini care nu sunt rezultatul unei cosangvinizari (n.a. stranse), cum ar fi Titus PS ........

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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2010, 09:07:37 AM »
Merci Bogdan

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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2010, 09:38:27 AM »
Did Bogdan say that there is no need to linebreed, to create dogs  like Titus ?

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Re: Line Breeding/ In Breeding
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2010, 10:59:42 AM »
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
Did Bogdan say that there is no need to linebreed, to create dogs  like Titus ?

No, i just make an ajustement to previous translation.
I'm the bigest Titus fan.

Also i don't like inbreeding, but this is only a point of view. I know that the time for inbreding in my kennel will come in some day.