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Offline Man Stopper

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Perfect match / Perechea potrivita
« on: January 21, 2010, 07:17:42 AM »
In breeding what would be considered a perfect match, do you match two similar dogs who have for example "high prey drive" or could it be linebreeding on a particular dog ? This one's for you Dani as i know you have had contact with world known breeders of the working GSD.. And also for other forum members who may also have some valid info...

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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2010, 08:43:35 AM »
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In breeding what would be considered a perfect match, do you match two similar dogs who have for example "high prey drive" or could it be linebreeding on a particular dog ? This one's for you Dani as i know you have had contact with world known breeders of the working GSD.. And also for other forum members who may also have some valid info...

Ro

Cand e vorba de crestere, in ce ar consta alegerea potrivita, doi caini cimilari care au, de exemplu, instinct de prada f dezvoltat, sau te urmaresti sa faci consangvinizare pe un anumit caine?

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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 09:06:26 AM »
Well this is the way do thinks..
I scroll the net up and down looking for progenies of the dogs I admire the most (Zorro, Held, Ingo..) and based on that I decide which dogs to go for. But also, very important in my view, is to actually SEE the dog yourself before deciding to breed the female to him; simply because a piece of paper indicating great lineage does not necesarily mean the dog is great as far as character (you can see the physique in pictures I guess). In the end, if you ask me, what you see is what you get, to some degree of course.
And needless to say I put working abilities before looks! That's for sure! If the parents are healthy, have had good progenies AND they are "hard", then I am a happy man. There is a clear tendancy to breed for sport these days and it's becoming harder and harder to find what you and I call a "real" dog.

Ro:
Deci cam asa procedez eu..
Caut net'ul in lung si-n lat in incercarea de-a gasi progeniturile cainilor mei preferati (cum sunt Zorro, Held sau Ingo) si pe baza a ceea ce gasesc iau decizii. Dar mai cred si ca este f important sa vezi cainele pe viu, pt ca "ce e in mana nu-i minciuna", pt ca un document care indica parinti / bunici super nu garanteaza intotdeauna ca animalul e intr-adevar de exceptie.
Si desigur ca pun abilitatile de lucru inaintea aspectului / frumusetii! Aste este regula de aur! Daca parintii sunt sanatosi, au avut progenituri bune si mai sunt si "duri", atunci sunt un om fericit. Exista o tendinta clara de a se promova caini de sport si devine din ce in ce mai greu sa gasesti acel timp de caine "de real".

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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2010, 09:27:18 AM »
Sure working abilities are important, but as you stated that the tendacy is focused on sport dogs. Who in my opinion have lost that GSD appeal about them, in terms of having that Noble expression and nice thick coat, similar to your dog Ben or that other Blk/TAn male on your videos, i think its Uzi or something like that.. I just am sort of turned off from the constant similar type which i see on the GSD base, and always on the look out for working dogs who actually look like GSD.. I actually noticed a young pup out of Grief ( Born to be a Killer ..... ) His got a strange kind of colour about him..!!!

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Re: PERFECT MATCH
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2010, 03:38:49 PM »
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Sure working abilities are important, but as you stated that the tendacy is focused on sport dogs. Who in my opinion have lost that GSD appeal about them, in terms of having that Noble expression and nice thick coat, similar to your dog Ben or that other Blk/TAn male on your videos, i think its Uzi or something like that.. I just am sort of turned off from the constant similar type which i see on the GSD base, and always on the look out for working dogs who actually look like GSD.. I actually noticed a young pup out of Grief ( Born to be a Killer ..... ) His got a strange kind of colour about him..!!!


Yes my friend, I too prefer that type of dog, what I would call the "classic type" of GSD. And yes,his name was Uzi  :)

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Re: PERFECT MATCH
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2011, 03:18:04 AM »
chiar cred ca ar trebui sa ma gandesc cu ce mascul o voi imperechea pe Sasha! ceva cu sange estic :)  :rockon:
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Nu te supara pe mine ca rad, am obieceiul de a spune verde-n fata lucrurile, nu obisuiesc sa ma ascund dupa deget doar ca sa menajez pe cineva. Dar in masura in care tu nu stii lucruri esentiale si normale pe care ar trebui sa le stie un proprietar de caine, cred ca este cam devreme sa te gandesti la linii de sange, unde este o treaba ceva mai complicata! Mai bine informeaza-te corespunzator asupra unor informatii importante ce tin de caini si de cresterea lor, si abia apoi gandeste-te la o monta si la linii de sange!

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Re: PERFECT MATCH
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2011, 03:43:33 AM »
"Toti traim sub acelasi cer, dar nu toti avem acelasi orizont!"

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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2011, 03:47:33 AM »
o da hai sa radem..!
invatam.....
toate la randul lor, iar la partea cu sangele estic si vestic, din cate intelesesem cei din est sunt mai zdraveni decat cei din vest ca Sasha, de aceea am spus de mascul din est!

nu cred ca ma va interesa vreodata ceva despre liniile de sange, atata timp cat eu nu sunt crescator si nici nu voi fi!
Da, haide sa radem!  ;)
Uiti ceva important! Este vorba de caini de LUCRU, deci ai uitat CARACTERUL! Din ceea ce spui tu, reiese ca te intereseaza doar fizicul!
Atunci cand reproduci un caine, indiferent ca esti crescator sau faci doar o monta, ca sa reproduci ceea ce trebuie, ar trebui sa te intereseze si liniile de sange! Dupa cum spuneam, deocamdata cred ca ar fi mai bine sa te pui pe studiat!  lips.sealed  ;)

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Re: PERFECT MATCH
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2011, 03:52:38 AM »
... nu pisicile dimn linia de show!
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nu e rau sa ai info in domeniul liniilor de sange, de fapt, ai sa fii f, f castigat.

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Re: PERFECT MATCH
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2011, 04:05:33 AM »
ar fi mai bine sa te pui pe studiat!  lips.sealed  ;)

m-am pus.. am sa citesc tot ce inseamna liniile DDR.. citesc tot topicul acela :D

care sunt celelalte linii de lucru?
"Toti traim sub acelasi cer, dar nu toti avem acelasi orizont!"

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Re: PERFECT MATCH
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2011, 04:15:26 AM »
m-am pus.. am sa citesc tot ce inseamna liniile DDR.. citesc tot topicul acela :D

care sunt celelalte linii de lucru?
uite, vezi - aici pot puncta spunand ca, e bine sa cunosti liniile de sange; de ce anume - dupa ce identifici diferentele intre liniile vestice si cele estice si, te gandesti ce anume preferi, trebuie apoi sa identifici si indivizii care au transmis ceea ce "cauti" tu, pt ca nu toti cainii DDR sau vestici au fost de top. Liniile DDR in ziua de azi sunt si-asa foarte restranse si se cam lucreaza pe acelasi sange, again and again (acolo unde se incearca folosirea DOAR a liniilor DDR).
In linii mari, cainii vestici sunt ceva mai usori (osatura mai subtire) iar asta le ofera miscare mai rapida printre altele, fiind si motivul pt care in competitiile sportive canine majoritatea cainilor competitori (in anii mai recenti) sunt de provenienta vestica. Dar conform statisticilor online si nu numai, sunt ceva probleme la capitolul echilibru si/ sau sanatate (oase). Cainii estici - din capul locului au fost selectati pt scopuri mai practice si prin urmare au fost alesi cainii grosi, care puteau retine omul care incerca sa treaca granitza. Cat despre temperament, evident s-au ales indivizii cu incredere de sine, cu "prezentza", cum spune Dux. Automat oasatura mai zdravana implica si o muscatura mai puternica.
Sasha e tanara, ai timp sa te informezi, mai citeste una alta, eu tocmai de-aia am pus timp si efort in traducerea anumitor materiale, pt oameni care vor sa cunoasca cu adevarat CG-ul.  :)

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Re: PERFECT MATCH
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2011, 04:22:39 AM »
m-ai facut curios tare (is time to read more) si prin ceea ce mi-ai scris mai sus, ai lamurit confuzia mea dintre linie de est si linie de vest!

daca montezi un caine din vest cu unul din est, produsul poate fi ceva ff bun! agilitate sau drive cum vad ca se mai spune de la vest si duritate, curaj, masivitate de la est!
"Toti traim sub acelasi cer, dar nu toti avem acelasi orizont!"

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Re: PERFECT MATCH
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2011, 04:30:55 AM »
m-ai facut curios tare (is time to read more) si prin ceea ce mi-ai scris mai sus, ai lamurit confuzia mea dintre linie de est si linie de vest!

daca montezi un caine din vest cu unul din est, produsul poate fi ceva ff bun
da, DAR si in cazul respectiv, trebuie sa cunosti liniile de sange, altfel nu faci decat sa montezi "la plesneala".  ;)  Ci faci doar o "tocana" cu tot felul de caini (gene)

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Re: PERFECT MATCH
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2011, 04:32:36 AM »
ok deci linia de est adica DDR ce sublinii are?
iar cea de vest?
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Re: PERFECT MATCH
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2011, 04:34:42 AM »
ok deci linia de est adica DDR ce sublinii are?
ce e aia?

baga tare si "perie" netul, eu o fac de cativa ani si inca nu pot spune ca "stiu".. iar tu vrei sa-ti raspund in maniera 1+1 = 2  :grin: :lol: ;)