Wisky Stress in Malaysia

[zimbris]

happy birthday Wisky..  heck, long live the entire "w" litter!    

[Leo Pui]

happy birthday Wisky..  heck, long live the entire "w" litter!    

[Bogdan]

This is Wisky learning the "Re-Channel" bite work exercise ...
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Nice work!
maybe too long, but still nice.

It sound like Wako is also there?!

[Leo Pui]

Nice work!
maybe too long, but still nice.

It sound like Wako is also there?!

Bogdan, Wako is outstation (on the job training) and did not come back in time to join us.

[dux]

This is Wisky learning the "Re-Channel" bite work exercise ...
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Nice work!
maybe too long, but still nice.

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apreciez faptul ca sunteti preocupati de antrenamentul cainelui.dar in opinia mea cred ca aici nu este o.k.
cainele respectiv face intr-un timp destul de scurt 10 prize pe costum.eu zic ca-i foarte mult daca luam in considerare  varsta catelului.daca urmariti cu atentie veti observa ca deja dupa a treia priza catelul isi pierde din determinare si priza este facuta cu jumatate de gura.cu un caine tanar trebuie sa lucrezi putin.in momentul in care catelul pierde din determinare(adica scade gradul de motivatie) trebuie sa te opresti.
iata cum as proceda eu.In prima etapa fac lucrul la costum doar cu o singura persoana.nu fac mai mult de doua prize .dupa ce vad ca atacul lui este ferm,violent trec la lucrul cu a doua persoana .dar raman tot pe 2 prize.una la primul infractor si a doua la celalalt.as face maxim 2 sedinte pe saptamana .cu cat faci prea multe cu atat cainele intra in rutina si nu mai este motivat.

I appreciate the work put into this dog. But in my own opinion things are not done well in this video.
In a fairly short time this dog bites the bite suit 10 times. I would say that's way too much considering the dog's age. if analyzed closely, the dog looses interest after the 3rd bite and he only uses half of his mouth. Young dogs have to undergo shorter sessions.  When the dogs starts loosing determination that's a good time to end the session.
This is how I would do things; in a first stage I would use only one agitator and would not do more than two bites. Once I see his attack is sound and aggressive, then I proceed to two agitators. But I would still go for only two bites. One bite for each agitator. Also I would go for only two sessions a week. The more frequent these sessions are the dog falls into routine and looses motivation.

[zimbris]

cred ca lucrurile depind, intr-un final, de scopurile fiecaruia... daca scopul (sau unul din ele) este ca patrupedul sa muste mai multi atacatori cred ca vrei nu vei cainele va pierde din intensitate in prize - cu exceptii in care genetica "impinge" cainele la rezultate f bune indiferent de tipul si conditiile de antrenament.

I guess things depend in the end on the individual's goals.. if the goal (or one of them) is that the dog must bite more than one agitator, several times, then he will loose intensity in bites (or looses motivation) - except for the dogs with the genetics that would bring more out of the dog regardless of the training type.

[Leo Pui]

I appreciate the work put into this dog. But in my own opinion things are not done well in this video.
In a fairly short time this dog bites the bite suit 10 times. I would say that's way too much considering the dog's age. if analyzed closely, the dog looses interest after the 3rd bite and he only uses half of his mouth. Young dogs have to undergo shorter sessions.  When the dogs starts loosing determination that's a good time to end the session.
This is how I would do things; in a first stage I would use only one agitator and would not do more than two bites. Once I see his attack is sound and aggressive, then I proceed to two agitators. But I would still go for only two bites. One bite for each agitator. Also I would go for only two sessions a week. The more frequent these sessions are the dog falls into routine and looses motivation.

Hey Dux,

I appreciated your kind comment and advice ... It is right for u to say that.  
Just some in-sight information, we do once a week on bite work exercise with our dog and limited to 03 bites per session!  
The video u have just view is basically the training of decoy work & some handling skill.  
We have limited of time to learn from Martin and we went all out and to hope that we could "receive" as much as possible  :mrgreen:

[Leo Pui]

I guess things depend in the end on the individual's goals.. if the goal (or one of them) is that the dog must bite more than one agitator, several times, then he will loose intensity in bites (or looses motivation) - except for the dogs with the genetics that would bring more out of the dog regardless of the training type.

You are right in saying that, Zimbris and I agreed with that!
Like my reply to Dux, I must first apologize to the video viewer that I should have at least high-lighting the training exercises rather than just simply post out the video  8-)

[zimbris]

Leo I'm glad you are open to comments

Leo ma bucur ca esti deschis comentariilor  

[bobo70]

Sorry for the delay...  

[Man Stopper]

My first initial reaction to the video was that it did seem too long a workout for such a young dog..
But after reading Leo's post, i can understand he has little time with Martin to do some training,which we can understand..
I would agree with Dux and his approach in regards to training a young dog of such age, but as Dani mentioned there probally is no right or wrong way about it..
At the end of the day; genetics plays a major role..! I personally IMO feel that after 14 months the dog is stronger mentally, through socialisation and training of biting(re bites) many differant objects; in very short sessions (3-4 times) a week is my method.

[Bogdan]

The dog still want to bite at the end of this exercice, only the quality of the bite was not so good.
If you see less determination maybe try to do another job.
Determination has nothing to do with phisical condition.
I have seen dogs fighting to the end of their stamina and still not surender and wisky did not surender.

Cainele inca vrea sa muste la finalul exercitiului, dar calitatea muscaturii nu mai este la fel de buna.
daca vezi mai putina determinare poate e mai indicat sa incerci alta metoda de a face lucrul.
Determinarea nu are nimic a face cu conditia fizica.
Am vazut caini luptand pana la ultimul strop de energie fara a capitula iar Wisky nu a capitulat.

[zimbris]

At the end of the day; genetics plays a major role..!

yes, strongly agree. But also it is very easy to spoil a dog's potential by applying training methods that do not really suit that individual potential.

da, sunt de acord. dar de asemenea este usor sa strici potentialul unui caine aplicand metode de antrenament care nu sunt cele mai potrivite pt potentialul respectiv.

[zimbris]

The dog still want to bite at the end of this exercice, only the quality of the bite was not so good.
If you see less determination maybe try to do another job.
Determination has nothing to do with phisical condition.
I have seen dogs fighting to the end of their stamina and still not surender and wisky did not surender.

I guess the level of determination or physical condition in this particular case could be defined in different individual ways by each one of us. Ona final note i would still say in my view a bit too much was required from the dog.

In cazul de fatza nivelul de determinare sau conditie fizica poate fi definit / inteles in mod diferit de fiecare din noi. Raman la parerea ca titusi s-a cerut cam mult de la caine.

[Santos]

atacul la 2 persoane nu trebuie facut foarte des si se face cu caini care au o foarte mare determinare deoarece se poate strica cainele mai ales la cainii tineri

two decoy attack should not be done too often and should be done with dogs that have plenty determination other wise it is easy ti spoil the dog, especially young ones