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Re: Remus z Jirkova dvora
« Reply #480 on: November 05, 2012, 01:30:57 PM »
ce misto era sa ne fi gasit cu totii undeva , sa-i fi pus putin la treaba, afara se organizeaza evenimente de genul asta.
Anul viitor vin sigur cu Manto, deci probabil ne vom strange intr-un nr marisor.

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« Reply #481 on: November 05, 2012, 01:31:03 PM »
Seamana cu tac-su, Carly, la comportament, se da inapoi de parca-si face vant. Carly, la momentul cand m-am dus la Jinopo, era cel mai "smecher" caine de-acolo. Imi pare rau ca n-am pastrat filmarea in formatul original, am sters-o din greseala.....

He behaves like his sire Carly, pulls back a bit as if to launch up. At that point in time when I visited, Carly was the sharpest dog at Jinopo. I regret deleting by mistake the original video recording..

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Re: Remus z Jirkova dvora
« Reply #482 on: November 05, 2012, 01:31:51 PM »
ce misto era sa ne fi gasit cu totii undeva , sa-i fi pus putin la treaba, afara se organizeaza evenimente de genul asta.
Pai oamenii au facut ceva frumos, au tras si un gratarel daca am inteles. Trebuia sa fiu si eu in peisaj dar... next time.\
Cred ca din tot ce vad, Lars ma incanta cel mai mult, e un munte de caine iar reactia din clipul asta e MULT mai buna decat cea din primul clip postat cu ceva luni in urma.

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Re: Remus z Jirkova dvora
« Reply #483 on: November 05, 2012, 01:32:40 PM »
 Este foarte buna  atitudinea cainelui , dar dupa atata agitare e bine sa faca si o priza. Dupa atata agitare e bine sa satisfaca si celalalt instnict, adica sa sa termina antrenamentul cu priza si obligatoriu cu reagitare, altfel numai latra si se consuma eventual prima priza o sa fie buna si atat.  :)

The dog's attitude is very good, but after this much agitation, bite would be good. After being agitated this much it's good that his other instinct is satisfied, meaning to finalize with bited and re-agitated immediately after, other wise he won't bite anymore and you end up with just one first good bite and that would be it.

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« Reply #484 on: November 05, 2012, 01:33:39 PM »
ce misto era sa ne fi gasit cu totii undeva , sa-i fi pus putin la treaba, afara se organizeaza evenimente de genul asta.
din pacate distantele mari si drumurile proaste fac aproape imposibil lucrul asta, totusi daca cineva vine la Rm Valcea ( calimanesti, caciulata, olanesti...) tarcul pentru caine il pun la dispozitie cu toata placerea.

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« Reply #485 on: November 05, 2012, 01:35:11 PM »
corectile (smuciturile) aduse cainelui nu sunt bine venite, acestea deruteaza cainele. mi ar placea sa imi explice scopul exercitiului impicit al corectiilor.
Pertinenta afirmatia/cerinta. Eu as tine cainele in ham la sesiuni de agitatie..
Totodata stiu la ce se refera tessa, l-am avut pe Remus si e o locomotiva in felul lui, e foarte puternic si cu atat mai mult as face exercitiul cu hamul pus pe el.

That's a legit statement. I would put the harness on the dog for the agitation sessions...
At the same time I know what tessa is talking about, I had Remus here with me and he is a power house of his own kind but this would perhaps make me even more to use the harness.

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« Reply #486 on: November 05, 2012, 01:45:46 PM »
consider hamul obligatoriu la genul asta de antrenament.

In my practice harness would be mandatory for this type of training.

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« Reply #487 on: November 05, 2012, 01:52:59 PM »
 Desigur poate fi legat la ham si asta e bine pentru caine dar, sunt caini care dupa ce intra in instict de paza nu tin priza cum trebuie, chiar intra in conflict cu "infractorul " , si dupa foarte putin timp latra si atit. E o zicala la secui " cainalele care latra mult nu musca " si e adevarat dupa parerea mea. Sedintele trebuie sa fie scurte in functie de caine si cainele sa ramana dupa, putin nesatisfacut in contradictie ca la sport. ;)

Of course harness can be used and that's good for the dog but, some dogs once they work in defense they don't hold the bite like they should, in fact they get into conflict with the agitator and after a very short while all they do is bark and just that. There's a saying in our area "the dog who barks a lot won't bite" and that may be true in my view. Sessions should be kept short depending on the dog too and the same dog should be a bit unsatisfied, kind of like opposite to sport-like training.

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« Reply #488 on: November 05, 2012, 01:54:52 PM »
Desigur poate fi legat la ham si asta e bine pentru caine dar, sunt caini care dupa ce intra in instict de paza nu tin priza cum trebuie, chiar intra in conflict cu "infractorul " , si dupa foarte putin timp latra si atit. E o zicala la secui " cainalele care latra mult nu musca " si e adevarat dupa parerea mea. Sedintele trebuie sa fie scurte in functie de caine si cainele sa ramana dupa, putin nesatisfacut in contradictie ca la sport. ;)

Despre asta tot vorbesc pe privat cu Reg (manstopper) care e de parere ca sedintele pt un caine antrenat pt paza reala trebuie tinute scurte.

That's what Reg and I keep talking about lately, having to keep sessions short.

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Re: Remus z Jirkova dvora
« Reply #489 on: November 05, 2012, 02:01:10 PM »
de foarte multe ori cainele invatat cu ham asociaza punerea hamului cu ceea ce va urma si devine foarte tensionat. Sedinta de ieri a avut un alt scop decat cel de a invata cainii sa muste, ce se vede sunt mici filmulete facute la sfarsit, nu aveti cum sa stiti ce am urmarit in desfasurarea sedintei dar va voi arata cum musca cainii cu zgarda pe gat si va veti convinge ca este OK

Many times, a dog associates the harness to what is about to happen and turns tense. The training session you see in the video had a different purpose other than teaching the dogs to bite, what you see is just some short exercises, you can't tell what I was after in doing these exercises but I will show you how the dogs can bite with the classic collar on, without any problems.

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« Reply #490 on: November 05, 2012, 02:05:18 PM »
Eu ma gandesc doar la faptul ca se stranguleaza daca e atzatzat in zgarda, atata tot. Balatoane pune-l pe Remus pe manson, lasa vrajeala!  :spank:
Bravo voua, ati facut treaba buna acolo, tineti-o asa!

I am just thinking he gets choked when on regular collar and agitated, just that. Get Remus to bite, let's get real!
Well done to you all, you've done a good job, keep it like that!

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Re: Remus z Jirkova dvora
« Reply #491 on: November 05, 2012, 02:08:27 PM »
 Sunt sigur ca pot sa faca si priza corecta , nu am intervenit in discutie pentru  pentru critica , apreciez oemenii care lucra cu cainii, avem de invatat unii de la altii .  :)

Of course they can bite well anyway, I didn't say what I said to criticize, I appreciate people who work the dogs, we can learn from each other.

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« Reply #492 on: November 05, 2012, 02:10:39 PM »
Sunt sigur ca pot sa faca si priza corecta , nu am intervenit in discutie pentru  pentru critica , apreciez oemenii care lucra cu cainii, avem de invatat unii de la altii .  :)
Stai linistit, sunt apreciate interventiile, doar de-asta avem forum.
Imi place Remus ca da caini strong. Ce l-as vedea si pe Lukas la o reactie mica acolo in the mix...  :lol: Inteleg ca si el "da cu pumnul".

No worries, input is appreciated, that's why we got the forum.
I like Remus as a producer, he throws big, powerful dogs and would have loved to see Lukas in the mix too, I hear he is one tough fog too!

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Re: Remus z Jirkova dvora
« Reply #493 on: November 05, 2012, 11:20:45 PM »
Despre asta tot vorbesc pe privat cu Reg (manstopper) care e de parere ca sedintele pt un caine antrenat pt paza reala trebuie tinute scurte.
Initially it makes sense to keep sessions short, especially those dogs that become overly reactive..
Even those that dont have so much reaction, can bebefit from short sharp sessions..
In stadiile initiale cred ca e intelept sa pastrezi sesiunile scurte, mai ales in cazul cainilor care reactioneaza la extrema...
Chiar si cei care nu raspund atat de intens pot beneficia de pe urma sedintelor scurte si intense..

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nu aveti cum sa stiti ce am urmarit in desfasurarea sedintei dar va voi arata cum musca cainii cu zgarda pe gat si va ve-ti convinge ca este OK
Never really seen harness being used on Shepherds, and i think Remus can work just as good with good old fashioned collar.. Maybe Tessa will control Remus better with harness and not have a workout on his forearms and
bi-ceps :grin:
Niciodata nam vazut de fapt hamul fiind folosit pe CG si cred ca Remus poate lucra foarte bine in vechea si traditionala zgarda de lucru...  dar poate Tessa il va controla mai bine pe Remus prin folosirea hamului si in felul asta nu-si va mai lucra la maxim antebratele si bicepsii :grin:

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Re: Remus z Jirkova dvora
« Reply #494 on: November 05, 2012, 11:26:24 PM »
I will translate the posts so you understand better what's being said. Did you check out Lars, Remus ' progeny?