Real training vs sport training / Sport vs Real

[kangdanlin]

i dont have the experience you people have, but i think it also depends very much of the dog..if the dog is naturaly bad boy...then you can start imediatly in defense with him...but if you dont know exactly what type of nerves he's got, you can try to start step by step with prey in the beginning..not taking the risk of too much stress, and ruining this way the dogs potential for later development
for a dog with natural skils is like a no brainer , to make him for protection, but with dogs that have less instinct, i think we should have a strategy to transform him into personal protection dog

nu am experianta voastra dar mai cred ca depinde foarte mult si de cainele pe care-l ai..daca ai un caine cu instincte native puternice..atunci poti incepe imediat in aparare..dar daca ai un caine despre care nu stii exact cum este, poti incerca sa-l dresezi pas cu pas incepand cu prada la inceput..fara sa-ti asumi riscul de a stresa cainele prea tare si sa-i strici potentialul de a se dezvolta mai tarziu.
un caine care are instincte de la natura, nici nu trebuie sa te gandesti prea mult ca sa-l faci de paza si protectie, dar un caine cu instincte mai slabe trebuie sa planifici si sa aplici o strategie

[bobdog]

Dux, Hello!
I enjoyed watching ya'll train. Good work and a good young dog also. I agree with you in that after a couple of times with a hidden sleeve, the dog figures it out. But what happens the first 1 or 2 times is all that I need to know.  Also the commitment the dog shows on sends far enough away that he does not necessarily know until he gets there tells me a lot also. Muzzle work makes up the difference.

[kangdanlin]

Dux, Hello!
I enjoyed watching ya'll train. Good work and a good young dog also. I agree with you in that after a couple of times with a hidden sleeve, the dog figures it out. But what happens the first 1 or 2 times is all that I need to know.  Also the commitment the dog shows on sends far enough away that he does not necessarily know until he gets there tells me a lot also. Muzzle work makes up the difference.

hello dux,
am urmarit cu placere clipurile .Lucru bun si de asemeni caine tanar bun  De acord, cainele dupa cateva repetari cu maneca ascunsa, isi da seama.Dar ceea ce se intampla primele dati este tot ce-mi treuie sa stiu. de asemeni hotararea cainelui pe trimiterile inainte destul de indepartate, distanta pe care cainele nu o constientizeaza decat cand ajunge acolo, mie imi spune multe.Lucrul cu botnita face diferenta.

[bobdog]

Yes prey drive is the strongest, especially in Mals..
Where and when does fight drive come into play ?
Can we say that a high fight drive K9 will focus on Man and naturally let go of sleeve and pursue 'helper'.
So would it be fair to say that 'fight drive' is what we're after, rather than prey drive ?


MS, I always prefer a dog that is easy to get into what I call fight drive. Dogs like this I call fight drive dogs. As apposed to what I call prey dogs. But a point I have been trying to make is this. Even in prey drive and or even with dogs that tend to work more to the prey side the focus can still be the man rather than the equipment. When I start a young dog the style of decoying used makes the decoy the object of the dogs prey. Then I try to not slip equipment, but rather submit, appear to grow weaker as the dogs reward, and yes, when the young dog is gradually lifted off strong, run off.

[bobdog]

Leo, nice work! and nice dogs as well. Between you and these guys from Romania, I have seen the nicest GSD I think I have ever seen.    Muzzle work was just great. What else can I say.

[bobdog]

Kangdanlin, You must have a lot of experience or you are a quick study, because I think you nailed it. But if you watch a great decoy working these tough young type of dogs in defense, they are throwing some prey movements in there if but seconds at a time. A great decoy is often mixing the signals as the dog needs each.

[Leo Pui]

Leo, nice work! and nice dogs as well. Between you and these guys from Romania, I have seen the nicest GSD I think I have ever seen.    Muzzle work was just great. What else can I say.

Thank you for your kind compliments Bob 

We have much more to learns and always like to "modify" the training program from other to suit our need 

The Romanian guys may come to visit us soon but not sure about the date  may be before end of this year?  
I have here a standing invitation to you and Roger, please liaise up among you-two then   

We practice NO Kennel Blind neither on Training Blind too 

[RogerW]

You just really hurt Drago's feelings. lol  That's ok, he'll make it up to you.     I agree, though, didn't I tell you these are the only GSDs for me between Leo and Dani's kennel?

People, I can't tell you how many crappy GSDs I have seen.  To see good ones and people breeding good ones is a real pleasure.

Leo, nice work! and nice dogs as well. Between you and these guys from Romania, I have seen the nicest GSD I think I have ever seen.    Muzzle work was just great. What else can I say.

[bobdog]

LOL! Roger, glad to see you have power. Funny thing is as soon as I hit send, I thought about the fact I might hurt "Dragos" feelings.
What I ment is multiple dogs and breeding programs into several generations. "Drago" know I love him! lol

[RogerW]

I know man, Leo and Dani, Dux, and Santos (and now Kangdanlin with his Greif son) and some others on the board I don't know as well all are bringing some good experience and showing some nice dogs... Ron, Bobo, Manstopper...Thara, who will kick your ass in a heartbeat if you post something in the wrong spot 

You will like spending time on this board while you're over there finding bombs.   Took Riker into town this morning, what a great friggin dog, I have always wanted one like him, too.

[zimbris]

...Thara, who will kick your ass in a heartbeat if you post something in the wrong spot 

 

[Santos]

imi place cainele din clipul 2 postat de Leo .Cainilor buni de paza nu le trebuie prea mult dresaj ca sa poata sa isi faca treaba   Trebuie lucrat la starnirea instinctului si disciplina la atac

[kangdanlin]

imi place cainele din clipul 2 postat de Leo .Cainilor buni de paza nu le trebuie prea mult dresaj ca sa poata sa isi faca treaba   Trebuie lucrat la starnirea instinctului si disciplina la atac

i like Leo's dog in the second clip.good dogs dont need too much training to be able to do their job.must work on the instinct stimulation and the atack discipline

[guest]

Thara, who will kick your ass in a heartbeat if you post something in the wrong spot 

   

[Man Stopper]

good dogs dont need too much training to be able to do their job.must work on the instinct stimulation and the atack discipline

This is what i mean by 'less is more' even if you have minimal knowledge in training dogs, you can still end up with a descent K9.
The less we do the more stronger and SERIOUS the dog becomes IMO..