Real training vs sport training / Sport vs Real

[Santos]

Nici nu se pune problema de vreo cearta ci despre opinia fiecaruia dintre noi:)
Eu am inteles ca ai cerut sfatul despre acel caine intrucat stapanul traieste intr-o zona periculoasa si daca poate sa se bazeze pe caine intr-o situatie reala. Pentru mine un caine de real inseamna un caine care il las in curte sau pe pe proprietatea pe care trebuie sa o pazeasca si nu poate intra nimeni fara acordul meu sau daca sunt pe strada si sunt atacat de un agresor, cainele sa atace fara sa ii dau eu comanda. Am spus ca stapanul sa faca testul cu botnita si sa nu agite cainele inainte in ideea ca daca ar fi real un atacator nu l-ar agita.
In final, stapanul trebuie sa fie multumit de felul cum este pazit de cainele sau.

Nor was there any question of any argument, but opinion about each of us:)
I understand that you asked for advice about that because the dog's owner is living in a dangerous area and if he can rely on the dog in a real situation. For me a real dog means a dog that I leave in the yard or a property that he has to guard and nobody can get in without my consent or if I'm on the street and I'm attacked by an aggressor, he attack without me giving him the attack command. I said that the owner make the muzzle test and not to agitate the dog before in idea that a real aggresor will not agitate him.
Finally, the owner must be satisfied by the way that his dog guards him.

[RogerW]

    I agree!  
  Sunt de acord!   

[zimbris]

hehe... a little bit of tension in here .. that's fine by me, it tells me you guys are all believing in your experience and work... or that you may misunderstand stuff at times     keep the comments coming! let's keep being "real" on this topic! 

hehe.. putina tensiune pe aici.. lasa ca e bine si asa, se vede ca aveti incredere in experienta si munca voastra.. sau ca interpretati gresit spuele altuia 
nu va opriti din postat! hai sa fim in continuare "reali" in topicul asta!   

[RogerW]

No tension from me, I defer to Santos in regards to training.    
There is always a lack when training is viewed from clips or pictures without actually seeing a dog in person, and I don't take any criticism of a clip or picture personally.   You know, unless it's my dog.  

Seriously, Santos is very respected by me.

Nici o tensiune din partea mea, eu doar am pareri diferite de cele ale lui santos in privinta dresajului.
sunt intotdeauna lipsuri cand lucrul este vizionat in clipuri video sau poze fara a vedea cainele personal, iar eu personal nu primesc critici in baza unor clipuri sau poze. Stii, doar daca e vb de cainele meu.

Acum serios, il respect pe Santos f mult.

[zimbris]

sure thing, i got that! But what i am saying is, it's better to have a bit of tension or "competition" in thoughts and arguments as long as it's all meant to be constructive, if we all agreed on anything or everything, than we would be most likely "sat" on flat ground, instead of "moving" in one direction or another (I think..   )

it's true, one can only judge in part, when analysis is done just by viewing videos.. and oh yes it's true, nobody can judge my own dog!!      

just to say, I know Santos pretty well and I know he doesn't want to "take down" arguments that are different to his own. In fact, he is probably wishing he could work alongside Bob or Leo and put some training differences to test  

e adevarat, am inteles ce spui! Dar cred ca putina tensiune sau competitie in argumente nu e neaparat o idee rea, atata timp cat are natura constructiva; daca am fi de acord in toate, inseamna ca nu mai avem ce invata si ne-am plafonat (cred..)

asa este, putem analiza doar partial, atunci cand facem asta in baza unor clipuri online si da, asa este, nimeni nu-mi poate critica cainele!!    

Sa mai adaug, il cunosc pe Santos suficient de bine incat sa stiu ca nu doreste sa "darame" argumente care sunt diferite de ale lui, de fapt, sunt sigur ca isi doreste sa lucreze cot la cot cu Bob sau Leo si sa puna la incercare diferentele de lucru

[Leo Pui]

... just to say, I know Santos pretty well and I know he doesn't want to "take down" arguments that are different to his own. In fact, he is probably wishing he could work alongside Bob or Leo and put some training differences to test 

Very good, look like u need to work harder on behalf and make this happen then, wink-wink! 

[zimbris]

yeah.. let's wait for things to come together and maybe in the long run we can put together a few days of training, good food and good laughs. I got a feeling it will take a while before that happened, but it's not impossible..

[zimbris]

ohh.. right... you were talking about the one in Malaysia.. I was thinking of one done here in Romania.. 

[Leo Pui]

ohh.. right... you were talking about the one in Malaysia.. I was thinking of one done here in Romania.. 

No problem, we can have two 

[zimbris]

No problem, we can have two 

  yeah.. I guess that's true.. 

[Leo Pui]

  yeah.. I guess that's true.. 

One in Romania, one in every country that where the member of this forum are! 
 

[zimbris]

hmm.. that actually sounds impossible 

let's see.. Romania, USA, Malaysia, Australia, the Philippines, the UK, .... did i miss one or two...?

[Leo Pui]

hmm.. that actually sounds impossible 

let's see.. Romania, USA, Malaysia, Australia, the Philippines, the UK, .... did i miss one or two...?

Why not?  Nothing is impossible for real dog keeper!   
Let say one gathering every year, it just took only six years to complete ... if two venues a year, can be done in 03 years! 
By doing this, we build net work and we can share some bloodlines too!

[zimbris]

hmm..
we will see.... 

[RogerW]

You didn't mention Texas. 

Actually Bob may very well be talked into (by me!) a vacation to Romania to check out your training and dogs.  He will have a vacation and was going to Holland to check out Dutchies, but he is starting to get interested in real deal GSDs.  So, you guys may see him after all. 

I may not be able to travel for a while, but we can sure host a nice working weekend of dogs on my kennel partner's 100 acre home place.   It's out in the woods, you can see what we have working here and eat some good Texas food.