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Offline RogerW

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Drago & Brogan from Texas
« on: June 29, 2010, 02:50:22 PM »
Hi, I'm Roger from Texas...been interested in GSDs and personal protection dogs for many years, although I also hunt and catch wild hogs with dogs.  I have one 3 year old male and one 18 month old female.  I've been through 6 other GSDs (with great peds, I was told..)that were not nearly enough dog, but so far these two have been good.

I love my GSDs, very excited about seeing dogs like Grief and Bodo and some of these others.   I will lose sleep tonight over that picture, also! lol   Over several of these pictures, as a matter of fact.   And there is a dog on John's site that I would clone. lol   A couple of them.
My interest in GSDs would mainly be the DDRs, but I am mainly wanting great dogs...I want something with very balanced drives but a dog that won't back down.  I expect it from my other dogs, and I want nothing less in a GSD.  

Salut, sunt Roger din Texas... am fost interesat in CG si alti caini de protectie de-alungul multor ani, de asemenea vanez si prind porci salbatici cu ajutorul cainilor. Am un mascul de 3 ani si o femela de 18 luni. Am mai avut alti 6 CGi (cu pedigree 'tari', asa mi s-a spus) care totusi nu s-au dovedit a fi atat de buni, dar acestia 2 pana in prezent sunt buni.
Imi iubesc CG'ii, ma bucur mult sa vad caini precum Greif si Bodo aici sau altii. Nici eu n-am putut dormi dupa ce-am vazut cainele ala  :lol:  Adica vreo 2.
Interesul meu pt rasa se duce mai mult in directia DDR, dar in principiu vreau caini buni.. vreau ceva cu nervi echilibrati si care sa nu renunte la lupta. Este asteptarea mea de la ceilalti caini ai mei si CGii nu fac exceptie.








Ped for my male, Drago
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/ped ... 37732.html

my female's (Brogan's) sire
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/ped ... 88107.html

my female's dam
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/ped ... 99843.html


Hi Roger, this area is about you and your dogs and requires an appropriate name, so please rename your topic or tell me and i'll do it.
Thara.

zimbris

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2010, 04:44:16 PM »
Hi Roger
first things first - welcome to the forum!
That's a very nice "intro" and can i say I love that thicker black dog in the picture! You got ome nice looking dogs over there!
yes Bodo was quite a "nasty" looking dog, wasn't it.... That's how I would want my GSD to look like!! John has got that blood so you may want to keep an eye on him ;)
Well I hope you will enjoy your stay here with us, as you may have noticed I try and translate quite a bit of what's going on here so I trust that will help.

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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2010, 04:54:39 PM »
I looked at the ped's, some interesting blood you got there... could you describe in a few words what they are like in terms of temperament..?
And by the way.. the male looks so thick! do you let him eat the hog??!  8-)

Now, that's a powerful head right there!


Offline RogerW

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2010, 05:48:23 PM »
Drago has been civil since he was 5 months old, when he surprised me by growling at someone at the park who wanted to approach him.    He is very protective to say the least, he only got more so.  He also has an overly active prey or play drive in my opinion.   He has no off switch unless he's in his crate.   He comes out of his crate like a racehorse coming out, but he also enters his crate the same way! LOL
I made some training mistakes with him when he was a pup, but now I have a very good trainer (a police dog trainer) who has turned into a great friend over the last several months, and even though our focus is not on GSDs, he is going to help me make him the dog I want him to be.  He does not believe in sport training, and he mostly fixes police dogs that were actually trained with sport techniques.   So anyway, Drago will bite, that's for sure.  The work is having him settle when there are people around, he considers everyone but family to be at least a potential enemy.
Honestly, the jury is still out to me on whether or not his prey drive is so immense that it might mask some nerve issues...I don't trust maniacal toy drive in a dog....but so far so good.  I have not worked him very much at all, my focus has been on my other dogs.
But I will work him in some storage units day after tomorrow with the police dogs and see how he does.

My female is a very nice girl that I got from Von Stark in Mexico City.  She will bite for real, also, has very good instincts for the work, but I am going very slowly with her.  She is a little more laid back, but has some prey drive as well.   She is also protective, but I can tell her someone is ok and she will allow them to pet her, unlike Drago.

Drago a aratat inst de aparare inca de la 5 luni, cand m-a surprins pt prima oara, maraind la cineva care a incercat sa se apropie de el. Pot cel putin sa spun ca e protectiv, iar asta s-a accentuat de-alungul timpului. De asemenea in opinia mea are un inst de prada / joaca accentuat. Nu are un 'buton de oprire' decat atunci cand sta in cosul lui. Iese din cosul respectiv cu viteza unui tren rapid, dar intra in cos cu aceeasi viteza!  :lol:
Am facut ceva greseli de dresaj cu el cand era tanar, dar acum am parte de ajutorul unui dresor experimentat (dresor caini politisti)  care in ultimul timp s-a dovedit a fi un adevarat prieten si, desi focusul nostru nu este centrat pe CG'i, el ma va ajuta sa transform cainele in ceea ce doresc. El nu crede in dresajul sportiv si de fapt el petrece mult timp "reparand" caini politisti care-au fost dresati in regim sportiv. Revenind la Drago, el va musca (real) fara nici o indoiala. Prin lucrul efectuat cu el vrem sa il determinam sa fie mai calm in prezenta strainilor, el tratand pe oricine din afara familiei, ca fiind potential dusman.
Sincer, inca se discuta in jurul meu pe tema instinctului de prada accentuat care ar putea ascunde ceva probleme de nervi.. eu nu am incredere intr-un instinct de joaca (super aportor) extrem de dezvoltat... dar pana acum toate-s bune. Nu l-am lucrat asa mult, eu concentrandu-ma pe ceilalti caini ai mei.
Dar in curand il voi lucra cot la cot cu niste caini politisti in niste spatii de depozitare sa vad cum se descurca.
Femela este foarte faina, pe care am luat-o de la Von Stark, din Mexic. Si ea va musca, are instincte f bune pt lucru, dar o iau incet cu ea. Ea e ceva mai relaxata, dar are si inst de prada bun. Si ea este protectiva, dar spre deosebire de Drago, daca ii dau de inteles ca cineva nu e dusman, il lasa sa o mangaie.

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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2010, 01:26:40 AM »
Sounds like you got yourself some fine watch dogs. Do you like the black GSDs or is it just coincindence that both your dogs are black? The female sounds to be like my Desa, she is very protective and it takes her a little while to accept new friends. She is ok, good social attitude, but turns protective if / when I'm in the picture.

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He comes out of his crate like a racehorse coming out, but he also enters his crate the same way! LOL
1ha  that indeed sounds like quite some drive! But given the hog activities, that's actually good..

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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2010, 03:13:56 AM »
hello Roger,
welcome here, i am glad to see there are so many interesting people/dogs in a romanian foum :)
i love the way your dogs look , and from what i understand they are for real
cant wait for you to post more pictures and maybe some clips
dan
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Offline RogerW

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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2010, 04:52:13 AM »
Thanks Dan!  I appreciate it!  I will see if I can get someone to take and upload a short clip, my computer won't stay on long enough at a time for me to do it.  I need a new computer soon!

Zimbris:
It was a coincidence to have two blacks, I had Drago first and the female was the best female of her litter, I didn't care what color she was.  But my next one will not be black! lol


"given the hog activities, that's actually good"

The GSDs are not my catch dogs! lol  They would not last a minute with a big, rank hog if they tried to catch one and hold it.  I have American Bulldogs for that, and I (along with my ex-partner and now my trainer has joined us)  also have the foundation almost set for all around family protection dogs that will hunt and do anything else hopefully...they are Dutch Shepherd/Bandogs;  we call them Dutch Riker dogs, whose foundation I have been working on for 15 years.  They are a mix of performance American Bulldog, Knpv line Dutch Shepherd, and performance Neapolitan Mastiff (the ABs and Neos in it are nothing like the show dog versions).   But I still went crazy about GSDs, when I found out there were still  good ones out there.

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2010, 05:05:37 AM »
Hello Roger,
 Good to have you on and seems that you have plenty of experience in the K9 scene..
Look forward to some pics and possibly some real nice footage of Drago :)
Those hunting lines you have been working on sound tough and rugged..

Offline RogerW

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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2010, 05:15:42 AM »
Thanks so much, MS, I will try to get some on Wednesday if I can get my wife to go with me to training...she's on vacation, I need to conscript her for camera duties! :)
Those hunting lines you have been working on sound tough and rugged..[/quote]

Offline kangdanlin

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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2010, 06:06:36 AM »
what type of tracking do you prefere?...how do you do it?

ce tip de urma preferi?...cum anume procedezi?
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2010, 06:47:05 AM »
Thank you for sharing the pictures and looking forward to the videos, whenever that's possible  8-)

Offline RogerW

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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2010, 07:51:28 AM »
I have never tracked with the GSDs, never done man tracking although my trainer trains it and drug dogs.  I don't have a use for it, myself, not yet anyway.

With the cur dogs we hunt with (blackmouth cur, Catahoula, etc.)...they are "hot" nose dogs for the most part.  They can wind a hog from the back of a truck sometimes...they will follow only a fairly recent track and they don't go far.   These are the bay dogs, they will trail the hog and "bay" it up so it can't run far, circling it and barking...then the catch dog is brought in to catch the hog by the ear or jaw, and then we come in and throw it to the ground and tie it up for removal.   The more hound (plott hound or other) that people use, the colder the nose and they will go out for miles on a track, but I don't like those.  
I don't have any cur dogs anymore, due to health reasons I have just about stopped hunting altogether.

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what type of tracking do you prefere?...how do you do it?

ce tip de urma preferi?...cum anume procedezi?

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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2010, 08:01:40 AM »
oh man.. take it easy on yourself then, let others take care of things.
you obviously sound like you've been out and active!

Offline RogerW

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Re: Drago & Brogan from Texas
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2010, 08:46:39 AM »
Well, in the last couple of years I've had 4 back surgeries, developed lung disease, chronic staph infections, had skin cancer surgery on my face, and now I have a hernia that I can't seem to get anyone to operate on (yet) because of the other stuff..lol....but you know what?   I just cut grass and tomorrow morning I will be working dogs! lol