Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR

[Johnsk9]

Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR  "Very old Blood"

[zimbris]

oh man... I get the goose bumps just thinking of Ellie's pedigree..! This is rare, awesome blood, whoever knows the name Kiebitzmoor will know exactly what I mean!
Thanks for sharing this John!

oho.. mi se face pielea de gaina numai cand ma gandesc la pedigreeul lui Ellie..! Aici e vorba de sange rar si extraordinar, cine cunoaste numele Kiebitzmoor intelege intocmai ce vreau sa zic!
Multumim John!

[zimbris]

Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR  "Very old Blood"

I like this one   

asta imi place

[Johnsk9]

Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR  "Very old Blood"

I like this one  

asta imi place

She is waiting in this photo There is another female with her
and the attack is near

[zimbris]

Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR  "Very old Blood"

I like this one   :D

[Man Stopper]

She has those markings that seem to come from Neaumans Jim, and she i would guess have " Pele Kiebitzmoor" on her maternal side..
Nice size for a female and serious looking..

Are semnalmentele care aduc aminte de Neumann's Jim si banuiesc ca are Pele Kiebitzmoor pe partea mamei..
Dimensiuni frumoase pt o femela si o privire serioasa..

[zimbris]

She definitely reminds me of the looks of the old type of GSD. When I say 'old type' I guess I mean the dogs from the 80's..

Categoric imi aduce aminte de aspectul CG-ului de tip vechi. Cand spun 'vechi' ma refer la cainii din anii '80

[zimbris]

She has those markings that seem to come from Neaumans Jim, and she i would guess have " Pele Kiebitzmoor" on her maternal side..
Nice size for a female and serious looking..

Are semnalmentele care aduc aminte de Neumann's Jim si banuiesc ca are Pele Kiebitzmoor pe partea mamei..
Dimensiuni frumoase pt o femela si o privire serioasa..

You know who she's got on maternal side - Bodo!! That really good looking Bodo.......

Stii pe cine are pe partea mamei - Bodo!!

[Johnsk9]

She has those markings that seem to come from Neaumans Jim, and she i would guess have " Pele Kiebitzmoor" on her maternal side..
Nice size for a female and serious looking..

Are semnalmentele care aduc aminte de Neumann's Jim si banuiesc ca are Pele Kiebitzmoor pe partea mamei..
Dimensiuni frumoase pt o femela si o privire serioasa..

Pele sire was  Falko von der Buschecke Ellie sire Bronco (sire) ( Rimo vom Tannenberg) is a half brother to Pele they had the same mother

Tatal lui Pele (Kiebitzmoor) a fost Falko von der Buschecke, tatal lui Ellie a fost Bronco (Rimo v Tannenberg) frate vitreg cu Pele, aceeasi mama

Now Falko & Fran vom Ostschutz  have  Pele vom Kiebitzmoor in the bloodline.In fact i have 3 dogs with Pele in the blood. Pele vom Kiebitzmoor  ZPT 6446/44 Real hard DDR Male great to still have the Blood today

[zimbris]

John, what sort of influence would you say the Kiebitzmoor dogs have had in today's GSD's..? I see a lot of names being mentioned out there, but not as much the Kiebitzmoor dogs.

John, ce influenta ai spune ca au avut cainii Kiebitzmoor in CG'ii moderni? Vad multe nume vehiculate pe net, dar mai putin cainii canisei Kiebitzmoor.

[Johnsk9]

John, what sort of influence would you say the Kiebitzmoor dogs have had in today's GSD's..? I see a lot of names being mentioned out there, but not as much the Kiebitzmoor dogs.

John, ce influenta ai spune ca au avut cainii Kiebitzmoor in CG'ii moderni? Vad multe nume vehiculate pe net, dar mai putin cainii canisei Kiebitzmoor.

If close in the gene pool of close line breeding i would say the hardness would show in some of the pups.
There are dogs today with the Kiebitzmoor but no influence.Today you would have to accumulate this
blood and start to line breed on this. And if you combine the correct genes you can see some influence
 I do not see any influence from Kiebitzmoor blood in falco or sisters not enought blood. But it does
show in Ellie& Enno



Daca e vb de consangvinizare ceva mai stransa, as spune ca influenta consta in duritate ce apare la unii catei.
Exista caini in ziua de azi cu sange Kiebitzmoor dar care nu au o influenta anume. In zilele noastre trebuie sa 'strangi' astfel de sange si sa consangvinizezi ulterior. Iar daca faci combinatiile potrivite, poti vedea influenta buna. Nu vad asa multa influenta in Falco sau surorile lui, dar vad in schimb in Ellie si Enno.

Se pot vedea lucrurile astea in zilele noastre aplicate in programele de crestere van Tiekerhook, prin consangvinizari stranse pe fero si Yoschy.

[zimbris]

Thank you John, it's good to know these things! Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're the only one, or part of the very few in the world, who have this blood..

[Johnsk9]

Thank you John, it's good to know these things! Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're the only one, or part of the very few in the world, who have this blood..

The Blood from Pele Kiebitzmoor can be found in some dogs today. It would be far back and limited some would have mixed blood
The Blood from Bronco Kiebitzmoor wound be  Very Very rare

[Man Stopper]

Would Bronco throw more size , from Don von Rolandsteich ?
Just looking at Pele Sire line, has sharp and hard dogs Irko vom Brandenburger Damm is linebred on Ex Reidstern. They both scored a '3' on the fourth digit on there Kor rating... Sg Condor vom Haus Christian has Pele as his Maternal Grandsire, that interesting just noticed that.. Am a strong believer that the Maternal Grandire has strong influence on outcome of litter...

[Man Stopper]

She has those markings that seem to come from Neaumans Jim, and she i would guess have " Pele Kiebitzmoor" on her maternal side..
Nice size for a female and serious looking..

Are semnalmentele care aduc aminte de Neumann's Jim si banuiesc ca are Pele Kiebitzmoor pe partea mamei..
Dimensiuni frumoase pt o femela si o privire serioasa..

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Speaking of Neuamans Jim, i very much like the look of Isabella von der old Lady who is 3-3 on Jim.. Superb!!