Hard dog or hard handler? (Caine dur sau handler dur?)

[shamankin6]

just wanna know your opinion about the video below:
Doresc sa stiu parerea voastra in legatura cu inregistrarea de mai jos:





Ron

[crazywind]

I am not a specialist, but the dog looks to be a little bit confused. This kind of dog looks in sport like a monkey.
About the handler... I wouldn't like to touch my dog. Anyway it's an wonderful dog .

[Dia_Boca]

... i've managed to watch just the first 49 sec. ... it made me too angry... instead of communicating with the dog, he's making him crazy...

[zimbris]

..can't watch it.. it's set to 'private'

[shamankin6]

after watching the said video, it pauses me for awhile and think. i really dont know behind or the kind of training he is into with his dog. honestly, i like the dog aggressiveness even such pressure(correction) been applied during the training he still have the heart to it. IMO, its just a matter of letting the dog understand his mistake or routine and from that he should do it in proper manner. rather keep on hitting the dog badly. 

one more thing, this guy trained with some other people in the club who has good sporting titled dog. are they somebody in the club can't give him some good and honest advice towards a proper way in correcting your dog!?

Ron

[shamankin6]

..can't watch it.. it's set to 'private'

Dan,

i can still watch the video. maybe you have some connection problem there?


Ron

[shamankin6]

... i've managed to watch just the first 49 sec. ... it made me too angry... instead of communicating with the dog, he's making him crazy...

EXACTLY!

Ron

[zimbris]

well I still can't view it but I trust your comments and am pretty sure I wouldn't like what I see.

eu tot nu pot vedea clipul dar am incredere in ceea ce spuneti voi si sunt convins ca nu mi-ar face placere sa vad continutul.

ps - mai, vad ca prin intermediul forumului putem sa ne exersam cunostintele de engleza   asta e bine, asa putem dialoga cu cat mai multi utilizatori din diferite tari si sa aflam care e "mersul" lucrurilor legate de CG in alte parti. ma bucur de asta!!

[Leo Pui]

Hello lists,

I saw this video clip a few months ago and still keep a copy on that <wink>.  The dog that u saw in the video clip is definitely a hard dog that ACCEPT hard correction that wont fail it drives.  The owner of this dog is a Police Dog Handler that has many years experience in handling this type of dogs!

This dog in this video was just merely a few sections of training (as per the owner)!  Months later, he did well not only on his job but also in the competition!

When come to the confront of bad guy that do not scare of police dog, one really need this type of dog to iron the issue and get the bad guy apprehend!

It is true that this video clip may affect someone else but to this group of peoples, they went through the hard-shit and they know what they are going into apart from well ahead in reading dog for pushing to the maximum!

I am expressing my comment, and I have no problem on this when one know the capabilities!  Both of them are hard anyway <wink>!

Peace.


Salutare,
Am vazut clipul respectiv cu ceva timp in urma si am pastrat o copie

peace

[zimbris]

Oh man.. I wish I could watch the video, you really mad me curious.
Nowadays views on training have changed, or views on animals in general, so some training videos may indeed be taken quite hard by some viewers.. anyway, I hope I will find a way to watch the video!

Off... sper sa pot vedea clipul respectiv, m-ai facut curios.
In zilele noastre perspectivele asupra dresajului canin s-au schimbat, cat si perspectivele asupra animalelor de companie in general, deci intr-adevar unnele secvente video pot 'pica' gresit pt uni privitori... in fine, sper sa vad si eu clipul!

[zimbris]

I need to see the video before I comment any further, but I agree that on the "real" field you need a dog that can do the job; sport is not 'real' action.. is sport! in sport there are rules, no rules out on the street!!

When I have my first GSD, Ben, during bitework he was kicked in the chest and shoulders.. actually quite hard, back then I did not know how things were done.. I just knew combat meant combat.. so I trained my dog in that spirit. The result - in his life of a guard dog, two individuals ended up in hospital, plus protected both my sisters a few times.
But like I said, I need to see the video before I say more..

[Leo Pui]

I need to see the video before I comment any further, but I agree that on the "real" field you need a dog that can do the job; sport is not 'real' action.. is sport! in sport there are rules, no rules out on the street!!

When I have my first GSD, Ben, during bitework he was kicked in the chest and shoulders.. actually quite hard, back then I did not know how things were done.. I just knew combat meant combat.. so I trained my dog in that spirit. The result - in his life of a guard dog, two individuals ended up in hospital, plus protected both my sisters a few times.
But like I said, I need to see the video before I say more..

Let me see if I can upload somewhere or to email u ...its a large file # 49.3mb!

[zimbris]

well.. wouldn't that man be upset by this...? He obviously set the video to "private" for a reason...

[Leo Pui]

well.. wouldn't that man be upset by this...? He obviously set the video to "private" for a reason...

Yeah ... guess I will just respect the owner's decision then although I strongly believe that he just doesnt want those who follow blindly   , thank you for your reminder!  Cheers!

[zimbris]

...while I'm giving it a thought.. it's probably not the best idea to make public some specific footage. people could missinterpret what they see, pretty easily... I am more than sure some dogs undergo real hard training methods because that is required by the nature of their work, but tsometimes it's better that these elements stay within certain circles.

...daca ma gandesc mai bine.. nu cred ca e cea mai buna idee sa faci publice anumite secvente video. Uni pot interpreta gresit ceea ce vad, destul de usor... sunt convins ca sunt caini care parcurg tehnici de dresaj f dure datorita naturii job-ului dar cred ca e mai bine ca astfel de lucruri / filmari sa ramana in anumite cercuri.