Puppy test

[Man Stopper]

In puppy testing what signs would one look for if they were looking for a civil PPD type dog ??
From what i have read it is the the puppy that bight on ankles and hands constantly and cannot be touched easily..
Do you guys have have any knowledge from past experiences, something i have always been interested in, and wish i could have the chance to test dozens of litters to come to some form conclusion/result..  I chose my dog because he came first when called from the other 2 males.. Although when i brought him home he kept on bighting hands and ankles for the next few months, he was  really  

[zimbris]

In puppy testing what signs would one look for if they were looking for a civil PPD type dog ??
From what i have read it is the the puppy that bight on ankles and hands constantly and cannot be touched easily..
Do you guys have have any knowledge from past experiences, something i have always been interested in, and wish i could have the chance to test dozens of litters to come to some form conclusion/result..  I chose my dog because he came first when called from the other 2 males.. Although when i brought him home he kept on bighting hands and ankles for the next few months, he was  really  :twisted:

[zimbris]

I can't say what's the what in this given situation.. if the ankle and hand biting is a good sign for a PPD type of dog, then I should be extremely happy about a few of the puppies in Axa's recent litter, one of them most definitely being Happy De Zimbris.
My first GSD, Ben, was not like that whatsoever but turned out to be an outstanding PPD dog, ever since the age of 10 weeks he naturally became very suspicious of those around me. He did not show much drive (sport type) much at all in the beginning. There was some kind of a switch in his mind somewhere, I guess, because he was a rather quiet dog who turned into a beast when the 'button was pressed'.

[bobo70]

In puppy testing what signs would one look for if they were looking for a civil PPD type dog ??
From what i have read it is the the puppy that bight on ankles and hands constantly and cannot be touched easily..
Do you guys have have any knowledge from past experiences, something i have always been interested in, and wish i could have the chance to test dozens of litters to come to some form conclusion/result..  I chose my dog because he came first when called from the other 2 males.. Although when i brought him home he kept on bighting hands and ankles for the next few months, he was  really  

I used in choosing puppy Campbell Test. I don t know how eficient is it.

[zimbris]

I personally look for signs of self-confidence and control. I did that with Ben and it worked. The day I went to pick him up from the police unit just outside Constanta, I tested Ben like this: as he was willing to get from point 'a' to point 'b', I placed my foot in such ways as if to stop him from going to the desired point; he could either stop and play with my shoe, or maybe just stop and wait for my foot to get out of his way, or even go back to point 'a' (which is not necesarily a sign of fear, but rather suspicion towards me). But instead, Ben tried his best to either walk over my foot, around it.. as he tried that, I kept moving my foot in ways to stop him from making any progress. Regardless of what I was doing, he kept trying and trying, eventually even (almost) barking. All these things communicated to me two things - that he was determined and self-confident.

Romana:

Eu personal, cand aleg un catel, caut semne de control de sine si incredere in sine. Asa am procedat cu Ben si nu am regretat. Cand m-am dus sa-l iau de la sectia de politie din Palazu Mare (in afara Constantei), cam asa l-am testat: Ben incerca sa mearga de la un punct catre altul, iar eu mi-am pozitionat piciorul in asa fel incat sa-i pun obstacol, sa vad ce face. El ar fi putut sa se opreasca sa se joace cu pantoful meu, sau sa se opreasca si sa astepte pana iau piciorul din drumul lui, sau pur si simplu sa se intoarca inapoi de unde a plecat (sa zicem punctul 'a') - ceea ce nu ar fi insemnat neaparat frica, ci suspiciune fata de mine. In schimb Ben a continuat sa incerce sa treaca fie peste pantoful meu, fie sa-l ocoleasca, iar intr-un final incepuse sa si vocifereze. Asta pt mine a insemnat 2 lucruri - determinare si incredere.

[Man Stopper]

Was thinking what if a very young pup, say 4 - 5 days old was exposed to loud noises from fire crackers to loud machinery until the age of 7 weeks... Would this be similar to the bio sensor stimulation, in strengthening nerves etc.... Or will it psycollogically scar the dog for life...????????

The reason i mention this is that most dogs i feel show some kind of weakness when it comes to thunder and gun fire for example and was just wondering if this can be overcome with some early introduction of LOUD NOISES...

[zimbris]

Was thinking what if a very young pup, say 4 - 5 days old was exposed to loud noises from fire crackers to loud machinery until the age of 7 weeks... Would this be similar to the bio sensor stimulation, in strengthening nerves etc.... Or will it psycollogically scar the dog for life...????????

The reason i mention this is that most dogs i feel show some kind of weakness when it comes to thunder and gun fire for example and was just wondering if this can be overcome with some early introduction of LOUD NOISES...

Oh man... just lost a long post in response to this, due to internet disconnection... man that's annoying!!    

[zimbris]

Was thinking what if a very young pup, say 4 - 5 days old was exposed to loud noises from fire crackers to loud machinery until the age of 7 weeks... Would this be similar to the bio sensor stimulation, in strengthening nerves etc.... Or will it psycollogically scar the dog for life...????????

The reason i mention this is that most dogs i feel show some kind of weakness when it comes to thunder and gun fire for example and was just wondering if this can be overcome with some early introduction of LOUD NOISES...

ManStopper spune:

Ma gandeam, daca ai expune zgomotelor tari, de genul celor produse de artificii sau cele produse de aparaturi mecanice, un catel f tanar, de ex. in varsta de 4 sau 5 zile, pana la varsta de 7 saptamani... ar fi asta asemanator procedurii de bio-stimulare, in privinta intaririi nervilor etc... Sau un astfel de lucru va speria catelul pt restul vietii lui..??????

Motivul pt care mentionez asta, este pt ca am impresia ca majoritatea cainilor dau dovada de o anume slabiciune atunci cand, de ex, fulgera / tuna, sau cand e vb de foc de arma si ma intrebam daca oare procedand la ce am spus mai sus ar rezolva problema asta.

[zimbris]

Well I think a dog with good genetics will not have a problem with loud noises later on in life. Also, a specific response to, say for example, thunder or gun fire, does not necessarily reflect a state of fear. When Ben was 8 weeks old, he did not respond in any way at all to loud noises, nada whatsoever. But when he grew older, he turned more aggressive towards such noises, especially when he was indoors and he could not see the "source" of the noise. I tend to believe that was, if anything, his protective nature. Animals respond to sounds in a serious way. Also, animals use sound to intimidate other animals.

[zimbris]

Bobo, uite un clip DDR, uita-te pana la final.
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[bobo70]

Bobo, uite un clip DDR, uita-te pana la final.
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Interesanta metoda de expunere la zgomote si situatii neobisnuite pentru pui.
Pacat ca nu inteleg nimic din ce povesteste nenea ala, eram curios daca trage si ceva concluzii.

[Man Stopper]

With the noise testing of these puppys it looks like that they had failed, as they seem scared and stayed in the corner.. Although they showed a single pup that barked at the end of the clip.. Is there any different test we can do to puppys, for sound,courage and or see which is most confident.. Does anyone test puppy's on there back to see if they  want to bite back, which apparently means that it has potential for security. And also if you pick them up they bite which is another sign for a good protection dog... How would the major breeders, choose a young pup for someone looking for a serious protction dog, does anyone have any experience on what a young pup should show....????

In clipul de mai sus se pare ca acei catelusi au 'ratat' testul cu zgomote, ei fugind intr-un colt la adapost. .  desi au aratat un singur catel care-a ramas si a latrat.. mai sunt si alte teste pe care le putem aplica catelusilor nostri, in privinta zgomotelor, a curajului si sa vedem care e cel mai increzator in sine.. Voi va testati cateii prin pozitionarea lor pe spate (cu labutele in sus) sa vada daca acestia vor musca, despre care semn se spune ca indica potential pt paza / protectie. De asemenea daca ii iei in brate si ei incep sa muste, se spune ca de asemenea indica potential de paza / protectie. Pe ce criterii ar alege crescatorii experimentati, un catel pt cineva care doreste un caine bun de paza si protectie, aveti experienta asta, ce anume ar trebui sa arate un astfel de catel..???

[zimbris]

With the noise testing of these puppys it looks like that they had failed, as they seem scared and stayed in the corner.. Although they showed a single pup that barked at the end of the clip.. Is there any different test we can do to puppys, for sound,courage and or see which is most confident.. Does anyone test puppy's on there back to see if they  want to bite back, which apparently means that it has potential for security. And also if you pick them up they bite which is another sign for a good protection dog... How would the major breeders, choose a young pup for someone looking for a serious protction dog, does anyone have any experience on what a young pup should show....????

This is how I would do things and Happy will prove me right or wrong, with time.

I would personally look for clear signs of dominance, self condifence and active response when being challenged in any way at all. I want to add that I would not necesarily look for drive, a good protection dog doesn't have to be very drivey in my view. That's if you  want a sport dog or if you favor lively animals (and you have the time fur such).
I think the clip shows the seriousness with which puppies were selected for work / future breeding. Also... seeking shelter when under pressure, in my non-professional opinion, doesn's always indicate fear, but sometime suspicion.

Ro

Cam cum as proceda eu in selectionare cateilor buni de paza:
Personal as cauta semne clare de dominare, incredere de sine si raspuns activ cand este 'amenintat' (in cazul unui catel - cand e 'atacat' de un frate sau sora de cuib, sa spunem..)  Mai dauag ca nu as cauta in mod deosebit drive, un caine bun de paza nu inaseamna automat un caine plin de drive, in opinia mea. Cei cu drive sunt pt cei doritori sa participe in competitiile canine sau cei care pur si simplu prefera un caine mai plin de viata (iar asta presupune sa ai si timpul pt un asa caine).
Cred ca in clipul postat se arata seriozitatea cu care erau selectati cateii pt munca / crestere. Dar de asemenea, daca animalultul cauta sa se adaposteasca atunci cand se simte atacat, asta nu indica intotdeauna teama ci cate-o data, suspiciune. Asta cred eu.

[Man Stopper]

Thats an interesting way of looking at it, that seeking shelter may indicate suspicion.. Can you brieflly explain on what kind of challenges would one test a young pup, besides brooms, pots and pan noises which seem to be common i have found..Its a bit of a tricky one to pin point and maybe it just might be the luck of the draw, for us non professional guys Excluding John who has much more experience and possibly can have a better reading of a young pup and its potential i would say..

[zimbris]

Thats an interesting way of looking at it, that seeking shelter may indicate suspicion.. Can you brieflly explain on what kind of challenges would one test a young pup, besides brooms, pots and pan noises which seem to be common i have found..Its a bit of a tricky one to pin point and maybe it just might be the luck of the draw, for us non professional guys Excluding John who has much more experience and possibly can have a better reading of a young pup and its potential i would say..

Yes John would definitely have seen many litters of pups so he would quickly be on the spot.
As far as testing the pups, I can only mention what I do I guess. I would generally go for 2 major elements, putting some kind of  obstacle before the pup and see how it deals with it, what's the level of resistance and determination. I also push gently the pup as if to say 'go away' and again, notice the response. If the response is a good one (the puppy tends to "fight back" by pulling back towards me) I gradually increase (in the follwoing days) the intensity of my push. Now, of course, that's just a (silly) way I am testing pups, I guess one can come up with different creative elements of pressure to test the puppy but I believe the basis for testing a pup is the 'pack' thinking (how it relates to you and the other pups in the litter). But you know, a good dog is easy to spot, I think you can't miss the overall confidence level (along with the body language signals).