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Title: Cato
Post by: RogerW on January 20, 2011, 08:13:25 PM
This is not my dog, he belongs to the police force here and is handled by Lt. Wesley Mack. But Cato is a dog I am thinking seriously about breeding to Brogan for her first litter in a couple of months. He is a very hard dog, very hard bite. I know some about his sire, a sport dog with some real dogs behind him, and not much at all about his dam....although I think Gymor is a fairly large Czech kennel (or was?) if I am reading and interpreting information right. The Lt. did not know anything about this dog's ancestors, he just knows he is a good police dog. He found the pedigree and got it to me and I found that he is out of Gerro Leryka x Cinna z Oseckebo klastera. I found all kinds of information on the sire and only one small picture of the dam and nothing else. The dog is very, very environmentally sound in all situations, high prey drive, high defense drive. He has and will bite for real in a hurry. I have wanted a Drago x Brogan litter for a long time, but I am thinking I will do this and keep a female to evaluate. I've seen him work with pressure and talked to the decoy, he seems to be a real deal GSD. I will post more pics but I'm having trouble either with the forum or my computer.
Acesta nu e cainele meu, el apartine sectiei de politie de aici iar handlerul lui este locotenentul Wesley Mack. Dar ma gandesc serios sa o montez pe Brogan cu Cato in aprox 2 luni. Cato e un caine foarte dur cu o muscatura foarte puternica. Cunosc cate ceva despre tatal lui, un caine de sport cu ceva caini reali in spate, dar nu stiu mai nimic despre mama.. desi din cate stiu Gymor este o canisa destul de cunoscuta (sau a fost?) daca am interpretat corect informatiile primite. locotenetul nu a stiut cine stie ce despre genitorii cainelui, el doar stie ca animalul e un caine de politie bun. El a gasit pedigreeul si asa am aflat ca parintii sunt Gerro Leryka x Cinna z Oseckebo klastera. Am aflat mai multe info depre mascul dar despre femela doar o poza mica si cam atat. Cainele este foarte, foarte bun in orice situatii in orice mediu, are inst de prada intens, la fel si cel de paza. muscat si va musca pe viu fara nici o problema. Eu m-am tot gandit in ultima vreme la o monta intre Drago si Brogan dar ma gandesc serios la monta cu Cato si sa pastrez o femela pe care sa o evaluez. L-am vazut la lucru sub diferite presuini si am vb si cu atentatorul, cainele pare a fi "cg-ul adevarat". Voi mai posta poze dar deocamdata am ceva probleme, fie cu forumul fie cu calculatorul meu.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: Man Stopper on January 20, 2011, 09:24:02 PM
Sounds and looks like a dog that most guys would want to have. All the best with your plans on this breeding plan..
Suna si arata a fi cainele pe care mai toti l-ar dori.. Mult succes in privinta montei planuite..
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on January 21, 2011, 01:30:04 AM
Thank you for making time to introduce this dog to us, he looks really good and according to your description he is indeed a good dog. He has quite a bit of DDR behind..
Multumim ca ti-ai facut timp sa ne prezinti acest caine, arata f bine iar conform spuselor tale, e intr-adevar un caine bun. Are ceva DDR in spate..
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on January 21, 2011, 03:00:20 PM
Thanks guys, I hope he and Brogan will produce a nice female for me. My friend in the Czech Republic knows the dogs, especially the sire and the breeding station that the dam comes from and assures me that they are some of the best and oldest Czech lines. I will try to get some video of him soon.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: Zak on January 21, 2011, 03:25:56 PM
Thanks Roger he looks great. I must say you have an excellent way of descriping dogs and background to them. It makes one feel in the moment and as if the experience is first hand. notworthy
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on January 21, 2011, 04:10:17 PM
Oh, thanks Zak I appreciate it. I bred my first working litter of dogs when I was 12 in 1972, but my second one and many afterwards from the early 90s. I never stopped thinking about them in between those years and I think about them now all the time, day and night. I am obsessed. :grin:
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on January 21, 2011, 10:24:39 PM
Zak is right, you do know the art of words and you do describe dogs in ways that help the reader appreciate a dog most likely to its true personality. Well if you breed Brogan to Cato, sounds like you will have a 'fun' summer (..?) with some fine GS pups - good on you!
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on January 22, 2011, 05:27:10 AM
I haven't decided on it for sure about Cato, I know he is a real dog and certainly breed worthy, however, I am going to have a fun summer with pups no matter about Cato. If I breed Drago to Brogan instead as planned I am almost sure it could not go wrong, as sure as any breeder can be on a first time breeding (never 100%). The only thing I worry about is screening who gets the pups. When I get a pup from another breeder (very seldom) I know what they need to be kept informed about the pup's progress and they assuredly could not ask for a better working home, which is the only thing that helps their breeding program. In many years of breeding I find that I only get that rarely for a pup no matter what a buyer says, or someone I place a pup with says.....it's still rare and it is a treasure that I've learned to appreciate, especially in the last 16 years. I search for these type owners diligently and try to screen people I don't know and impress the need for them to keep me informed, especially in a first time breeding. But without these type people with your pups, a breeder is flailing in the dark, at least in the semi-dark, because keeping one or two pups out of your own breeding and never having good information about the other siblings doesn't teach you anything about consistency....one of the most important things, if not the most important thing in breeding. So I hope to find people like myself and other people like minded in the German Shepherd world who appreciate the same qualities in dogs, it will be vital so that I'm not only enjoying my pup I produce, but knowing that the other life I was responsible for bringing in the world is well cared for and also helping my program.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on January 22, 2011, 07:22:13 AM
let me say this, before I translate your post.. I trust your judgement when it comes to breeding, sometimes you just follow your heart, it comes down to a gut feeling. As far as breeding goes, you could breed Brogan to both these males, in the space of 2 or 3 years. As far as future homes for the pups... that's a part of the picture no one could vouch for, if I may put it like that.. Unless you're happy with keeping all the pups or give them only to close friends or relatives. It's part of the breeding picture, isn't it.. You may have a face to face chat with a future owner of one of your pups and the person could be milk n honey but as soon as they get far from you they could turn into the opposite..
You've been on the breeding field for some time now, just follow your heart on this one ;)
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on January 22, 2011, 08:51:11 AM
This policeman wants a pup out of his dog and Brogan badly and it won't hurt me to pass forward nice things people have done for me lately. Good things come from actions like that, some that can't even be foretold. I will do it and test my own female out of it well...then in a year I can take Drago to her if all is well.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on January 22, 2011, 10:33:38 AM
there you go...
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on January 22, 2011, 10:57:52 AM
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on January 22, 2011, 03:23:49 PM
Thanks Dani...yea, I remembered that Bara had a sister to Gerro and she has told me that he has many real dogs behind him, and that the dam of Cato comes from the old breeding station Gymor.
I will see, may be that he throws better pups than Drago, we will find out! lol Some day I want a female out of Greif, maybe in a year or so.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on February 25, 2011, 01:37:32 PM
CATO MEETS BROGAN :kiss: --------------------------------- Lt. Mack brought Cato over this morning and we introduced him to Brogan. She's not quite ready, but should be sometime within the next few days.
Pictures do not do this boy justice, he is just stunning in person. Big and strong, calm but alert and ready to go. This is going to be a very, very good breeding I think.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: Zak on February 25, 2011, 03:40:35 PM
very nice indeed. Can't wait to see what they produce.
He looks vert leen and muscular.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on February 25, 2011, 04:40:42 PM
he is a fine looking dog Rog! oh man, we wish you all the best with this breeding! I bet you will get some really fine looking pups out of this!!!!! :rockon:
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on February 25, 2011, 10:15:44 PM
Thanks, you guys. In my lifetime I have bred Dobermanns, APBT, American Bulldogs, Neapolitan Mastino, AB/NEO Bandogs, Dutch Shepherd/Bandogs.
This will be my first German Shepherd breeding. I think I've found my breed, finally. I'm excited.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on February 25, 2011, 10:19:04 PM
Wow.. colorful background, eh.? :)
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on February 26, 2011, 01:24:41 AM
Nah, just old! :laugh: I've also owned some others I never bred, and liked some other breeds a lot that I never bred; Boxers, Airedales, Blue Lacys, Blackmouth Cur, Catahoulas, Bouvier des Flandres, etc. I had a Rottweiler/Chow mix that was my only dog and an outstanding PP dog for 9 years when I had my own business, and he was always at my side, day and night. I think the old man that had the 5 GSDs that starred in The Littlest Hobo must have put a spell on me when I was a little kid and spent the day with him and his dogs. I've always wanted a great German Shepherd after that.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 01, 2011, 12:43:30 AM
Hey Rog, any updates on the breeding..? success...?
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on March 01, 2011, 05:35:19 AM
Not yet, we are getting together today. I knew she wasn't going to be ready when we first put them together, but I wanted Brogan to get used to Lt. Mack a bit, and the yard in which I put them, also. And wanted Brogan and Cato, for that matter, to get used to each other some since neither are experienced at breeding.....just in case it helped matters.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 01, 2011, 05:36:55 AM
well good luck on it! if all goes well, you will have some awesome looking black n tans in your yard ;)
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on March 01, 2011, 11:41:19 AM
Thanks Dani. Yes, my wife and I have decided to keep two pups from this litter if all works out as planned.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 01, 2011, 11:49:38 AM
Sounds like you're advancing / moving forward with your GSD breeding plans.. :beer:
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: guest on March 01, 2011, 11:56:19 AM
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 01, 2011, 09:04:44 PM
loads and loads of good luck!!!!!!!!!! man I tell you.. he is a fine looking dog, I like is build, don't know why but he seemed slimmer in the other pictures you posted (or maybe it was just me not seeing right). Again, best of luck!!!!
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: Leo Pui on March 01, 2011, 09:49:24 PM
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on March 02, 2011, 01:33:02 AM
He is very thick looking in person and what you can't see in the pics from my cheap camera is how muscular he is. What you also can't see is his commanding presence, he just exudes confidence. I hope today is the day. 2:30am, and I'm up again like every night...thinking about dogs. lol Crazy.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: Leo Pui on March 02, 2011, 01:35:58 AM
He is very thick looking in person and what you can't see in the pics from my cheap camera is how muscular he is. What you also can't see is his commanding presence, he just exudes confidence. I hope today is the day. 2:30am, and I'm up again like every night...thinking about dogs. lol Crazy.
you need to get your rest! sounds like both you and Leo have a problem... :lol: you need to sleep!
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: Leo Pui on March 02, 2011, 04:49:44 AM
:shocked: new emotion? Let see ... (http://forum.dog-tracker.com/yabbfiles/Smilies/ugly_tocktock.gif) (http://forum.dog-tracker.com/yabbfiles/Smilies/hapi.gif)
Meanwhile, this is for u Roger ... :dogmate: ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 02, 2011, 05:01:07 AM
:laugh:
Leo, what did the vet.. oh, sorry, I mean, doctor say you should do today..? :manga:
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: Leo Pui on March 02, 2011, 05:06:52 AM
Leo, what did the vet.. oh, sorry, I mean, doctor say you should do today..? :manga:
Doctor: "Leo, from now on ... u need to sleep early!" Leo: "hur ... Doctor, what do you mean by early?" Doctor: "Sleep early by 2230hrs." Leo: "That is wrong, doctor ... sleep early mean after mid-nite ... that's what we call "early" :devil: :lol: beer2
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 02, 2011, 05:07:17 AM
leo, let's continue this one over here http://canisa-zimbris.com/forum/index.php?topic=96.new#new (http://canisa-zimbris.com/forum/index.php?topic=96.new#new)
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: Man Stopper on March 02, 2011, 09:28:37 AM
loads and loads of good luck!!!!!!!!!! man I tell you.. he is a fine looking dog, I like is build, don't know why but he seemed slimmer in the other pictures you posted (or maybe it was just me not seeing right). Again, best of luck!!!!
Dani this time round Cato is more pumped up, there is a scent in the air which makes him swell :grin:
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 02, 2011, 09:32:57 AM
haha... well that would make sense I guess.. :grin:
I hope Roger comes back with some good news..
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: Leo Pui on March 02, 2011, 09:35:31 AM
Summer has finished here, must of drank a few dozen pints of cold crisp beer.. (Carlsberg beer) Surprised i didn't expand those stomach bones with all those spicey Kebabs..!
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 02, 2011, 10:05:23 AM
Carlsberg...? Come on, make it Australian brand.. what would that be, by the way..?
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: RogerW on March 02, 2011, 10:14:27 AM
Nope, he did not get the job done. I didn't leave them together long. For one thing, she yelps when he enters her or starts to, even though she stands fairly good for him, so I am thinking it is still a day or two early. Another thing, I want him to think he only has a little time before I get him out of there, and so even though he was more proactive today, I want him even more so in the morning. He knows now he doesn't have all day. I'm getting tired guys. lol I want this done. I don't remember the last time I made a breeding with two completely inexperienced dogs.
If there is no tie before this weekend, and I think she is still in heat I will put Drago with her, maybe. Or maybe just let it go and try again in 6 months. But hopefully, I am just rushing things a little bit. Today is the first day that Jr and Riker (who are kenneled close to Brogan) have really gone crazy, so she's probably just now really ready. I will try again in the morning.
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 02, 2011, 10:56:01 AM
ohh... well.. maybe, just maybe tomorrow will be a better day.. although, while I think about it, you still have a few hours before the sun goes down. But I guess the decision has already been made. Well keep the hope high! :)
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: Leo Pui on March 02, 2011, 11:00:46 AM
Roger, get Brogan some beer :devil:
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 02, 2011, 11:02:22 AM
.. but until then, Leo, stay alive!! :drink: :grin:
I am more than awake till now since (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Leisures_and_Sports/riding-083.gif) after the thief with my team-mates some two hours ago!
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 03, 2011, 11:19:17 AM
..what..? can you be more specific..? :think:
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: Leo Pui on March 03, 2011, 11:24:34 AM
LOL! No dog only six men :rockon: run and search across the streets ... took about 25 minutes for "mission-completed"! Dog station as it assigned outlet! ;)
Title: Re: CATO
Post by: zimbris on March 03, 2011, 12:06:46 PM