Cainele de 'real' / The 'real' dog

[guest]

Guard Dogs
A guard dog IS NOT a family or personal protection dog, it does not act the same, it does not think the same and it is not trained the same. A trained guard dog, has a different function or responsibility than a family or personal protection dog. The main responsibility of a guard dog is usually to guard a business, yard or territory, typically after hours, against any intruder or trespasser.

A guard dog possesses specific characteristics and temperament. They are highly territorial and tend to have a low pack drive. They have little or no desire to please and rather be alone even thou they often times work in pairs. They are used to patrol a specific area which they consider their territory or turf and they guard it with aggression. Some dogs used in defense or protection have a natural guard instinct which could be desired if left home and there is an intrusion so is ok to have some guard instinct just not over the top.

The main difference between a family or personal protection dog and a guard dog is that a protection dog sees everyone as a friend until the owner or handler says otherwise, a guard dog sees everyone who enters his space as an enemy, doesn�t matter if it�s a child getting a ball or a 90 yr old lady looking for her cane, they will attack. A guard dog attacks on instinct and will apprehend or immobilize and intruder without the owner present. The protection dog attacks only on command.

As previously stated, dogs that have been trained to guard will attack anyone who trespasses, they usually lack social skills and usually do not bark or make a lot of noise or warning when a possible intruder approaches, and they simply wait and attack. They are not recommended for a family or personal home setting and should definitely be kept secured away from children at all times.

Sursa.

[ben]

Imi place materialul si cand am ceva timp chiar vreau sa punctez cateva lucruri. Bravo pt material, Thara!

[prototype]

Guard Dogs
Fain materialul.

I like these parts:

True, a guard dog must attack every person who enter his territory. If not make this, he's not a guard dog.

A guard dog attacks on instinct and will apprehend or immobilize and intruder without the owner present.

This is most important for me.
If my dog - when I'll have one - don't make that, I will donate him. And I hope I can test my dog in this way...

[ben]

Da, fara sa fie de fatza stapanul. O sa fac si eu niste filmari de-astea in toamna sper.. vreau sa-i testez pe Hun si Briska (separat, se intelege).

[prototype]

Foarte bine!

[ben]

dogs that have been trained to guard will attack anyone who trespasses, they usually lack social skills and usually do not bark or make a lot of noise or warning when a possible intruder approaches, and they simply wait and attack. They are not recommended for a family or personal home setting and should definitely be kept secured away from children at all times.

Exact asa era Ben, dar ma gandesc... eu l-am socializat mult, a mers cu mine mai peste tot unde ma duceam, deci la capitolul "social skills" a mers la scoala. Dar exact asa a reusit sa bage pe cineva in spital, nu a latrat, a stat linistit cat a deschis poarta omu' si cand a dat sa paseasca in interiorul curtii s-a trezit cu Ben in stomac. De vazut l-a vazut din timp dar pt ca l-a vazut in trecut si pt ca lucra acolo la firma respectiva, el s-a gandit (pe pielea lui) ca il cunoaste cainele si n-o sa-i faca nimic. Asta l-a costat 10 zile de stat in spital si a platit firma toate cele dar greseala a fost a lui.. in fine, poveste veche.

Imi place ce spune persoana asta dar sunt curios sa stiu ce se afla la baza diferentelor dintre cele doua tipuri de caine descrise de el. Eu zic ca genetica si modul in care e educat in primul an de viata; sunt convins ca unii vor spune ca dresajul e raspunsul dar pt unul ca mine asta e "catelush cu parul cretz".

That's exactly how I described Ben, but I did socialize him, plenty of it. But that's exactly how he managed to sink his canines into a worker from the very company Ben was guarding at night. The bloke came along early in the morning and opened the gate, entering the property thinking the dog knows him because he works there (pretty dumb actually). That cost him 10 days in hospital. The company paid the hospital bills but the mistake totally belonged to the bloke.

I like what the author of this post says here and I would like to know what's the element/elements defining the differences between the two types of dogs we read about above. I for one will say it's genetics and the way the dog is brought up in the first year of life; now, some will say it's all about training but to me that is like "twinkle twinkle little star".

[ben]

..continui oarecum ideea cu socializarea.
De multe ori un caine e "rau", "agresiv" in ochii unora dar de fapt cainele pur si simplu nu a fost socializat, ci a crescut intr-un cadru limitat si... atat. Iar la noi in tzara de fapt, multi fac asta, cresc cainele "inchis, izolat, ca sa fie rau". Da, e o doza de adevar in asta, cainele va fi ceva mai rau dar doar pe proprietatea care ii "apartine". Cainele ala nu va mai fi atat de sigur de dintii lui cand e scos afara. Sau, iesi cu el in lesa si el va marai/latra/arata coltii etc la oricine se apropie de el si.. "wow, ce caine rau".
Cainele care e dur in paza (respectiv bun de "real", ca sa fiu mai aproape de titlul topicului) are genetica buna de asa ceva, punct. Avea mama lui dux un caine in curte la tara, un "caine-lup" fara acte care te papa de ziceai ca a fost pregatit de trupele speciale olandeze iar cainele nu a facut in viata lui un minut de dresaj, agitatie, etc. A murit acum cateva luni, din pacate.

...to stay on the line of socialization for a few more moments.
Many times a dog is "mean" or "hard" when in fact it is simply not or badly socialized. He grew up in a tight area and that's that. In fact, in our country many would isolate the young dog with that very purpose, that it may turn more aggressive towards people and I guess that works to some degree but you take that dog out on the street and see what happens. It will growl/show its canines etc and one would think "what a mean dog" when in fact it's simply not socialized.
The dog that is a hard guard dog (or a "real" dog, to be more relevant to the topic) has the genes for that, period. Dux's mother had a no-paper GS dog that would kill you as if it was trained by SWAT or something but never actually underwent one single session of training. The dog died a few months ago unfortunately.

[Sorin]

si pe steve l-am luat dupa mine peste tot, cred ca daca il tineam numai inchis era un caine greu de stapanit, chiar si socializat mi-a mai dat batai de cap cateodata si imi mai da si acum. 

[ben]

si pe steve l-am luat dupa mine peste tot, cred ca daca il tineam numai inchis era un caine greu de stapanit, chiar si socializat mi-a mai dat batai de cap cateodata si imi mai da si acum. 

Da stiu cum e, cu Ben trebuia sa am mai tot timpul grija, era mai tot timpul in garda, cum i se parea ca cineva vorbeste mai tare decat permite legea.. se complica treaba, care este 

[Sorin]

aseara am iesit in parc cu el mai devreme si nu i-am mai dat drumul sa alerge din cauza pisicilor, l-am tinut langa mine in lesa , iar niste prieteni de-ai mei serveau un bidon de bere la masa, si unul din ei a venit spre mine, imediat a intrat steve in garda, io dadea pe muteste , eu il simt imediat si stiu cum sa-l tin.

A venit cineva de la Bucuresti azi cu o femela de presa canario sa o monteze cu un mascul al unui prieten de-al meu si m-am apropiat mai mult de femela aia , dar baiatul cica , nu te apropia ca te ia, la vreo 10min. m-am facut spre ia , am provocat-o , nici o reactie , chiar ma uitam asa , caini fara nici o utilitate , care nu sunt buni de nimic , doar sa-i admire lumea pe strada si atat, steve il halea daca il provoca , nu as creste trompete din alea niciodata

[ben]

iar niste prieteni de-ai mei serveau un bidon de bere la masa, si unul din ei a venit spre mine, imediat a intrat steve in garda, io dadea pe muteste , eu il simt imediat si stiu cum sa-l tin.

  Steve imi aminteste mult de Ben...
Revenind la topic, ce crezi, cum stau lucrurile, in legaura cu ce zice omu' mai sus?

[ben]

ahh... o sa traduc eu cand am o fereastra de timp.

[Sorin]

ahh... o sa traduc eu cand am o fereastra de timp.

l-am citit , imi place ce se spune de cainele de protectie, sunt perfect de acord, multi nu inteleg cum trebuie sa fie si sa se comporte un caine de real,
se gasesc greu in ziua de azi caini despre care se vorbeste in materialul de mai jos, cainii aia erau odata , mai sunt si acum dar tre sa stii unde sa cauti

[Man Stopper]

A natural guard dog is only good in the right responsible hands..
Otherwise the 'Law' will slow down the reproduction of naturall born Man Stopper's..
It has here anyway...!

[ben]

A natural guard dog is only good in the right responsible hands..
Otherwise the 'Law' will slow down the reproduction of naturall born Man Stopper's..
It has here anyway...!

Oh man, I feel your "pain"...