Drago & Brogan from Texas

[RogerW]

Thanks guys!!   (I didn't catch what Santos said, maybe Dani can translate?)

I hope to get some video or working pics of Drago and Brogan soon, my trainer has gone to Afghanistan to work a bomb dog for a private company, and won't be back for a break until several months have gone by.  In the meantime I have a police officer we trained with in the group who is supposed to come out and I hope he does soon.

Multumesc!!
Sper sa fac niste filmari sau foto cu antrenamente efectuate cu Drago si Brogan, dresorul meu e plecat in Afghanistan sa dreseze un caine de urma pt o firma privata si nu va reveni acasa decat in cateva luni. Deocamdata mai este un ofiter de politie cu care am mai lucrat in grupul de dresaj si care ar trebui sa vina curand sa lucram.

[RogerW]

Working with the police group the other day.





waiting to work...lol







summer

[zimbris]

Thank you for sharing these pictures!!
Go on Roger, tell us a few words about Drago, tell us what he is like


Multumim pt poze!!
hai Roger, spune-ne cateva cuvinte despre Drago

[RogerW]

Well, Drago is a unique dog.  I had a pit bull female one time very much like him and my wife and I say all the time that she has been reincarnated in a big, black GSD body! lol   Extreme drives.  Extreme prey drive, extreme defensive drives, extreme civil drive, extremely dominant.   He has no off switch.   I don't know if he sleeps or does push ups in his crate at night. lol

I had it in my mind that I needed a more balanced dog, one that was more of a family protection dog instead of an all out ...soldier.   However, I re-read the old GSD axiom of "the extreme must be bred to produce the sufficient), and if I were to move him I think I will have missed an opportunity to breed something that might be rare in GSDs... in my area, anyway.    My female is SUPER protective, also, but a better family dog for HER family (in the sense that she can lay down on the floor and chill out).  But she likes no one else.   The combination should produce some very hard dogs like their parents, and maybe something quite special.

At training I talked with an officer that has a proven police dog with many live bites and arrests...a very hard imported Czech male, who was asking me if I was interested in using him to Brogan when she comes in.   I am going to watch him work but I have heard from my trainer and several others who say this dog is the real deal police dog...I think I might use him to Brogan, keep a female or two and use Drago to all of those.   And some day hope to get another male from a certain friend in Romania.  <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" />













DRAGO'S SIRE, HANK...HANK HAD 3 LIVE BITES AND WAS SUPER DOMINANT ALSO.........

[Zak]

Thanks Roger for sharing the pics with us.  He looks like a very impressive dog.
Your discription of the type of dog he is was also most enjoyable to read.
Nice weather too!
How hot is it at the moment where you are?
Its cold and miserable in the uk at the moment.

[RogerW]

Thanks Zak.

Well it's been in the high 70s when it's not freezing.  It's beautiful today but it will be raining and sleeting by tomorrow night and miserable all next week.

[kangdanlin]

i like very much how you describe your dogs , and also i am enjoying alot the pictures you posted
looks like you like the real german shepherd

[zimbris]

Roger spune despre Drago:

Pai, Drago este un caine unic. Am avut candva o femela Pitbull care era aproape identica si de multe ori eu si sotia mea spunem ca este femela respectiva reincarnata intr-un trup de CG!  

La un momentdat am considerat ca am nevoie de un caine mai echilibrat, unul care sa fie protector al familiei, nu un ... soldat complet. Totusi, am re-citit vechiul axion al CG-ilor, "extremul trebuie reprodus pt a obtine suficientul" iar daca l-as fi dat cred ca as fi ratat sansa de a reproduce ceva ce se gaseste mai rar in CGi.. cel putin in zona mea. Femela mea este de asemenea super proctectiva, dar un caine de familie mai bun, pt familia EI (in sensul ca se poate intinde pe podea si odihni). Dar nu ii plac alte persoane. Combinand pe cei doi ar trebui sa obtin niste caini duri asa cum sunt ei, poate chiar ceva special.

La antrenamente am vorbit cu un ofiter care are un caine de politie care a muscat pe viu de multe ori si cu ajutorul caruia s-au efectuat multe arestari.. un caine importat din Cehia, foarte dur, iar ofiterul m-a intrebat daca sunt interesat sa o montez pe Brogan cu el, cand va intra in calduri. Il voi mai urmari la antrenamente dar am auzit de la mai multe persoane precum si de la drssorul meu, ca acest caine este un caine polititst dovedit... cred ca o voi monta pe Brogan cu el, voi pastra o femela sau doua si apoi le voi monta cu Drago. iar in viitor sper sa mai iau un mascul de la un prieten din Romania.

[zimbris]

Roger, thank you for taking time to post all the above.
I really love "reading" your expectations as far as what a GS dog ought to be like! You are the type of individual I love to interact with, I feel blessed to have you, John, Reg and all the other guys around here...
Well you describe the dogs pretty well and I would say you got yourself a fine "team" over there, i wouldn't rush into looking in other places for new dogs, if I were you.
It would be cool if you could get some images of that Czech dog, videos yet better, just to see him in action  
Well then, we hope to get good and above good news from you and the 2 blacks you have!

Roger, multumesc pt postarea de mai sus.
Ma bucur sa-ti "citesc" asteptarile pe care le ai de la un CG! Esti tipul de om cu care mi-ar place sa interactionez, ma bucur enorm sa avem oameni ca tine, John, Reg si ceilalti aici in forum...
Faci o descriere faina a cainilor tai si as spune ca ai o "echipa" tare acolo, nu m-as grabi sa ma uit dupa caini noi in alte locuri, daca as fi in locul tau.
Ar fi o chestie tare sa postezi ceva poze sau mai bine chiar video, cu cainele Ceh de care zici, sa-l vedem si noi la lucru.
Deci, speram sa ne dai vesti de la bune in sus, despre cei doi "negri" din curtea ta!

[RogerW]

Thanks Dani, I am very, very happy to know some real deal German Shepherd people, also...you are a vanishing breed!  
See, I am only expecting them to protect under any circumstances like the dogs I have been breeding for so long.  I wouldn't keep a GSD or an American Bulldog or Bandog, Neo or Dutch Riker pup that won't do its job.   I have gone through 7 GSDs, all of them had great working pedigrees.  I have two that I believe are worth breeding.   The thing I love about German Shepherds that make them dear to me are their intelligence and their beauty and movement and instincts.  And something else I haven't put my finger on.  But they have to work at least as good if not better than my other dogs.   So I want the best if they are going to side track me so much from what I've been doing the last 16 years. lol, which was breeding my own line of dogs.   And some day when all I can do is sit on the porch and holler at people to get off my lawn, I will probably let someone younger have the big dogs and I will have myself a couple of great German Shepherds.    They are just so intelligent, and something about them really speak to me.   I have said it many times, I don't know why I got thunderstruck by great German Shepherds when I had other dogs I have so much time and effort into, but I did...so now I want the best I can get.

Here are some of my other dogs, just in case anyone is interested.  These are the ones that live with me, I am part owner of other ones related to these that are at my best friend and ex-kennel partner's house.

Neapolitan Mastiff...Mog, I imported his sire and dam and I have just placed him with a friend.  You will not see many, if any, working Neos that work as well as this dog and his sire.   I will get a female around April that is double bred on this dog's sire.   And my AB stud will go to her for a continuation of my bandogs.







AMERICAN BULLDOG female pup named Boo, one year old last month, last female of my line of Steel-trap American Bulldogs
Boo is a very, very tightly bred AB, so tight she has to go to a complete outcross....she will go to Mog, Riker, etc.







AMERICAN BULLDOG stud,  Junior







DUTCH SHEPHERD BANDOG, RIKER , 3 YRS OLD...maybe my most perfect dog

[guest]

@RogerW : I merged the two topics with Brogan and Drago with the one that already exists.

[zimbris]

Roger spune:

Multumesc Dani, sunt foarte, foarte fericit la randul meu sa cunosct niste pasionati ai CG-ului.. sunteti o rasa pe cale de disparitie!
vedeti voi, eu ma astept doar ca ei sa fie protectori buni, in orice conditii, cum au fost cainii pe care i-am crescut ani de zile. Eu nu pastrez un caine CG, sau Bulldog American, Bandog sau Dutch Riker, care nu-si face treaba. Am avut 7 CGi, toti aveau pedigree de calitate (caini de lucru). Am 2 care cred ca merita reprodusi. Ceea ce imi place f mult la CGi este frumusetea lor, inteligenta, miscarea si instinctele. Si mai e ceva care inca nu pot identifica. Dar trebuie sa fie lucreze cel putin la fel de bine ca ceilalti caini ai mei, daca nu chiar mai bine. Iar intr-o zi cand nu voi mai putea decat sa sed pe veranda si sa urlu la cei care imi calca proprietatea, probabil voi lasa niste persoane mai tinere sa aiba cainii mei mai mari iar eu voi pastra 2 CG buni. CGii sunt atat de inteligenti, iar ceva din ei imi vorbeste pur si simplu. Am mai spus de multe ori, nu stiu de ce am fost traznit asa tare de CGi buni, cand eu am tot avut caini buni de-alungul anilor in care am investit eforturi, dar asta este..  asa ca acum vreau sa am cele mai bune rezultate.


Iata cativa din ceilalti caini ai mei, in caz ca vrea cineva sa stie. acestia sunt cei care locuiesc cu mine, sunt co-proprietar al altora inruditi cu ai mei, care stau cu prietenul meu si totodata fost co-proprietar al fostei noastre canise.

(poze...)

Mastif Napolitan (parca asa spunem noi..?), Mog, am importat parintii lui si tocmai l-am plasat la un prieten. Nu veti vedea multi (daca veti vedea de fel) Mastifi N care sa lucreze asa cum lucreaza el sau tatal lui. In Aprilie voi avea o femelutza care e consangvinizata pe tatal lui Mog. Si o voi monta cu Bulldogul meu American pt a-mi continua linia de Bandogi.

[zimbris]

oh man.. that Mog looks like the real deal man stopper! I particularly like the picture below

[zimbris]

well once again, i really like knowing your expectations on dogs in general - you breed for what they do - not just for looks! These are WORKING dogs so they should be promoted primarily under working principles!  God has been good to me and my first dog was indeed a true man stopper and maybe that was for a reason, since he protected my younger sisters several times AND stood right by my side in certain circumstances. It's just that, these days i getting harder and harder to come across GSD's like that.. so with that in mind, if what you have right there is good, use what you have!

din nou, imi place sa citesc despre asteptarile pe care le ai de la caini in general - cresti in baza a ce pot face, nu doar a aspectului! Vorbim despre caini de LUCRU si prin urmare trebuie promovati pe criterii corespunzatoare! Dumnezeu a fost bun cu mine si primul CG care l-am avut a fost intr-adevar un protector dovedit si poate asta n-a fost o intamplare, el mi-a protejat surioarele mai tinere nu doar o data iar in ce ma priveste, a fost cu si langa mine in situatii mai delicate. Doar ca.. in ziua de azi e mai greu sa gasesti asemenea caini CG.. si cu asta in minte, daca ceea ce tu ai deja e bun, foloseste!

[RogerW]

That was Mog's very first agitation. lol    He is the real deal and his sire and dam were, too.  I had it in mind to try to preserve these dogs..the good ones of the breed, but there are so few good ones that it seemed impossible.   Show breeders have bred them into really crap dogs.
However, in Feb. there will be a breeding done by a friend of mine that I got started in these dogs and the pups will be double bred on my original male I got from South Africa, and he was the reason Mog was so good...his name was Dante and he was the best dog...man.   I can get a male and female of those and get back into them.  They're fun dogs for sure. lol
here was Dante...he protected my wife and would not let a man come in the door
at 4 months old!!!!  

asta a fost prima sesiune de agresivitate a lui Mog. lol E un caine cu adevarat bun, la fel ca si parintii lui. Am avut planuit sa incerc sa pastrez sangele asta.. exemplarele bune ale rasei, dar sunt atat de rare exemplarele bune ca pare imposibil. Crescatorii de show i-au transformat in caini de 2 bani.
Totusi, in Februarie un prieten va efectua o monta pe care l-am initiat in cainii astia, iar produsii vor fi consangvinizati pe masculul meu original care l-am adus din Africa de Sud, fiind dealtfel motivul pt care Mog e atat de bun..  el se numea Dante si era cel mai bun caine... omule.. As putea lua o femela si un mascul din sangele respectiv si sa revin la cainii astia. Sunt caini amuzanti, asta e sigur.  <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt="" title="Laughing" />
iata-l pe Dante.. o proteja pe sotia mea si nu lasa pe nimeni sa intre in casa
..la 4 luni de zile!!!
 


 here are a few more of Mog.

din nou Mog