Post by: Leo Pui on August 22, 2010, 02:23:19 AM
The 2nd day arrival - March 22, 2010
(http://www.vomdomburgerland.nl/forum/download/file.php?id=134&mode=view)
Picture taken today - August 21, 2010
Post by: shamankin6 on August 22, 2010, 07:22:32 AM
Ron
Post by: Leo Pui on August 22, 2010, 07:35:16 AM
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what a good looking dog you have there Leo! Welcome to the pack Wisky. ;)
Post by: Man Stopper on August 22, 2010, 07:43:09 AM
Post by: Leo Pui on August 22, 2010, 07:44:22 AM
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He's a pretty big boy now, turning out real nice Leo.. Looks like he's enjoying the sandy beaches out there..!So far, he is okay ... we hope to continue working on him
Post by: zimbris on August 22, 2010, 08:46:35 PM
ready for "out on duty" work already..?
Post by: DogPassion on August 22, 2010, 11:14:27 PM
Post by: Leo Pui on August 23, 2010, 01:08:44 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
looking good ;)Quote from: "DogPassion"Welcome to Windy's brother. He is gorgeous :)Will do that in due time, thank you DogPassion!
Post by: zimbris on August 23, 2010, 02:45:35 AM
Post by: Leo Pui on August 23, 2010, 04:57:46 AM
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Well then, good luck with the work, keep it real!Yeah ... we will see how he would turn out in due time!
Post by: Leo Pui on November 03, 2010, 04:07:23 AM
[youtube:39gtjap9]P9nUtP45UhA[/youtube:39gtjap9]
Post by: Bogdan on November 03, 2010, 04:27:32 AM
Post by: Leo Pui on November 03, 2010, 04:35:08 AM
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Today he is 1 year old!Ops .. didnt realized that
Post by: shamankin6 on November 03, 2010, 04:39:39 AM
Quote from: "Leo Pui"
This is Wisky learning the "Re-Channel" bite work exercise ...
[youtube:295iff91]P9nUtP45UhA[/youtube:295iff91]
nice workout Leo! is that Martin(Bara's bf)?
Ron
Post by: Leo Pui on November 03, 2010, 04:49:15 AM
Quote from: "shamankin6"
nice workout Leo! is that Martin(Bara's bf)?Yes, that's Martin ... he is teaching the decoys work with us, wink-wink!
Ron
Post by: zimbris on November 03, 2010, 05:07:58 AM
Post by: Leo Pui on November 03, 2010, 05:25:13 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
happy birthday Wisky.. heck, long live the entire "w" litter! :beer: ;)
Post by: Bogdan on November 03, 2010, 05:35:24 AM
Quote from: "Leo Pui"
This is Wisky learning the "Re-Channel" bite work exercise ...
[youtube:4zv60kxj]P9nUtP45UhA[/youtube:4zv60kxj]
Nice work!
maybe too long, but still nice.
It sound like Wako is also there?!
Post by: Leo Pui on November 03, 2010, 09:24:17 AM
Quote from: "Bogdan"
Bogdan, Wako is outstation (on the job training) and did not come back in time to join us.
Nice work!
maybe too long, but still nice.
It sound like Wako is also there?!
Post by: dux on November 03, 2010, 01:52:08 PM
Quote from: Bogdan
apreciez faptul ca sunteti preocupati de antrenamentul cainelui.dar in opinia mea cred ca aici nu este o.k.Quote from: Leo PuiThis is Wisky learning the "Re-Channel" bite work exercise ...
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Nice work!
maybe too long, but still nice.
It sound like Wako is also there?! <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" />
cainele respectiv face intr-un timp destul de scurt 10 prize pe costum.eu zic ca-i foarte mult daca luam in considerare varsta catelului.daca urmariti cu atentie veti observa ca deja dupa a treia priza catelul isi pierde din determinare si priza este facuta cu jumatate de gura.cu un caine tanar trebuie sa lucrezi putin.in momentul in care catelul pierde din determinare(adica scade gradul de motivatie) trebuie sa te opresti.
iata cum as proceda eu.In prima etapa fac lucrul la costum doar cu o singura persoana.nu fac mai mult de doua prize .dupa ce vad ca atacul lui este ferm,violent trec la lucrul cu a doua persoana .dar raman tot pe 2 prize.una la primul infractor si a doua la celalalt.as face maxim 2 sedinte pe saptamana .cu cat faci prea multe cu atat cainele intra in rutina si nu mai este motivat.
I appreciate the work put into this dog. But in my own opinion things are not done well in this video.
In a fairly short time this dog bites the bite suit 10 times. I would say that's way too much considering the dog's age. if analyzed closely, the dog looses interest after the 3rd bite and he only uses half of his mouth. Young dogs have to undergo shorter sessions. When the dogs starts loosing determination that's a good time to end the session.
This is how I would do things; in a first stage I would use only one agitator and would not do more than two bites. Once I see his attack is sound and aggressive, then I proceed to two agitators. But I would still go for only two bites. One bite for each agitator. Also I would go for only two sessions a week. The more frequent these sessions are the dog falls into routine and looses motivation.
Post by: zimbris on November 03, 2010, 02:14:32 PM
I guess things depend in the end on the individual's goals.. if the goal (or one of them) is that the dog must bite more than one agitator, several times, then he will loose intensity in bites (or looses motivation) - except for the dogs with the genetics that would bring more out of the dog regardless of the training type.
Post by: Leo Pui on November 03, 2010, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: "dux"
I appreciate the work put into this dog. But in my own opinion things are not done well in this video.Hey Dux,
In a fairly short time this dog bites the bite suit 10 times. I would say that's way too much considering the dog's age. if analyzed closely, the dog looses interest after the 3rd bite and he only uses half of his mouth. Young dogs have to undergo shorter sessions. When the dogs starts loosing determination that's a good time to end the session.
This is how I would do things; in a first stage I would use only one agitator and would not do more than two bites. Once I see his attack is sound and aggressive, then I proceed to two agitators. But I would still go for only two bites. One bite for each agitator. Also I would go for only two sessions a week. The more frequent these sessions are the dog falls into routine and looses motivation.
I appreciated your kind comment and advice ... It is right for u to say that.
Just some in-sight information, we do once a week on bite work exercise with our dog and limited to 03 bites per session!
The video u have just view is basically the training of decoy work & some handling skill.
We have limited of time to learn from Martin and we went all out and to hope that we could "receive" as much as possible :mrgreen:
Post by: Leo Pui on November 03, 2010, 05:57:50 PM
Quote from: "zimbris"
I guess things depend in the end on the individual's goals.. if the goal (or one of them) is that the dog must bite more than one agitator, several times, then he will loose intensity in bites (or looses motivation) - except for the dogs with the genetics that would bring more out of the dog regardless of the training type.You are right in saying that, Zimbris and I agreed with that!
Like my reply to Dux, I must first apologize to the video viewer that I should have at least high-lighting the training exercises rather than just simply post out the video 8-)
Post by: zimbris on November 03, 2010, 11:16:13 PM
Leo ma bucur ca esti deschis comentariilor ;)
Post by: bobo70 on November 03, 2010, 11:34:04 PM
Post by: Man Stopper on November 04, 2010, 12:54:03 AM
But after reading Leo's post, i can understand he has little time with Martin to do some training,which we can understand..
I would agree with Dux and his approach in regards to training a young dog of such age, but as Dani mentioned there probally is no right or wrong way about it..
At the end of the day; genetics plays a major role..! I personally IMO feel that after 14 months the dog is stronger mentally, through socialisation and training of biting(re bites) many differant objects; in very short sessions (3-4 times) a week is my method.
Post by: Bogdan on November 04, 2010, 01:52:04 AM
If you see less determination maybe try to do another job.
Determination has nothing to do with phisical condition.
I have seen dogs fighting to the end of their stamina and still not surender and wisky did not surender.
Cainele inca vrea sa muste la finalul exercitiului, dar calitatea muscaturii nu mai este la fel de buna.
daca vezi mai putina determinare poate e mai indicat sa incerci alta metoda de a face lucrul.
Determinarea nu are nimic a face cu conditia fizica.
Am vazut caini luptand pana la ultimul strop de energie fara a capitula iar Wisky nu a capitulat.
Post by: zimbris on November 04, 2010, 07:19:01 AM
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
At the end of the day; genetics plays a major role..!
yes, strongly agree. But also it is very easy to spoil a dog's potential by applying training methods that do not really suit that individual potential.
da, sunt de acord. dar de asemenea este usor sa strici potentialul unui caine aplicand metode de antrenament care nu sunt cele mai potrivite pt potentialul respectiv.
Post by: zimbris on November 04, 2010, 07:46:33 AM
Quote from: "Bogdan"
The dog still want to bite at the end of this exercice, only the quality of the bite was not so good.I guess the level of determination or physical condition in this particular case could be defined in different individual ways by each one of us. Ona final note i would still say in my view a bit too much was required from the dog.
If you see less determination maybe try to do another job.
Determination has nothing to do with phisical condition.
I have seen dogs fighting to the end of their stamina and still not surender and wisky did not surender.
In cazul de fatza nivelul de determinare sau conditie fizica poate fi definit / inteles in mod diferit de fiecare din noi. Raman la parerea ca titusi s-a cerut cam mult de la caine.
Post by: Santos on November 04, 2010, 08:03:37 AM
two decoy attack should not be done too often and should be done with dogs that have plenty determination other wise it is easy ti spoil the dog, especially young ones
Post by: Leo Pui on November 04, 2010, 09:51:35 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
Leo I'm glad you are open to comments ;)I read u very well, wink!
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
My first initial reaction to the video was that it did seem too long a workout for such a young dog..It is good for discussion sake, again .. to each dog, there is always the different view and the level of understanding cannot be definite in any way unless there is a fine guideline ... I am not trying to "cover" what we do, we believe we have our set of "reading" dog reaction and we are quite comfortable in-pushing the limits, on the other word, we know when to stop the pushing 8-) 8-)
But after reading Leo's post, i can understand he has little time with Martin to do some training,which we can understand..
I would agree with Dux and his approach in regards to training a young dog of such age, but as Dani mentioned there probally is no right or wrong way about it..
At the end of the day; genetics plays a major role..! I personally IMO feel that after 14 months the dog is stronger mentally, through socialisation and training of biting(re bites) many differant objects; in very short sessions (3-4 times) a week is my method.
Post by: Leo Pui on November 04, 2010, 10:01:31 AM
Quote from: "Bogdan"
The dog still want to bite at the end of this exercice, only the quality of the bite was not so good.Hey Bogdan, I do share the same agreement on your comment. Like I said early, without seeing the real dog in actual work, one is having difficulties to read the dog well!
If you see less determination maybe try to do another job.
Determination has nothing to do with phisical condition.
I have seen dogs fighting to the end of their stamina and still not surender and wisky did not surender.
Quote from: "zimbris"
Not trying to argue and to win over the debate. Let just put it this way ... u have your point, which I agreed! Now, based on individual dog in this particular video, I believe ... Wisky handle the training quite well ;) ;)Quote from: "Man Stopper"At the end of the day; genetics plays a major role..!
yes, strongly agree. But also it is very easy to spoil a dog's potential by applying training methods that do not really suit that individual potential.
Post by: zimbris on November 04, 2010, 10:11:44 AM
Point in case is, we have different views on this or that and there is probably no common line for all of us, different goals require different approaches and training types.
Thank you for you patience in going through posts and replies - especially since you are so busy these days!! :) e mult mai bine asa decat sa spunem "vai ce frumos lucreaza etc etc... tipul de postari pe care-l vedem destul de des in multe forumuri.. 1bere
Post by: Leo Pui on November 04, 2010, 10:25:01 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
Leo, I think it's good we can talk this type of things through and through and i /we deffinitelly appreciate your response to comments on the video :mrgreen:
Point in case is, we have different views on this or that and there is probably no common line for all of us, different goals require different approaches and training types.
Thank you for you patience in going through posts and replies - especially since you are so busy these days!! ;) 1grr One more training session with them before they are leaving on Nov 06, 2010 for Singapore. And they are now in thick jungle exploring the Mulu Caves
Post by: zimbris on November 04, 2010, 10:42:39 AM
Quote from: "Leo Pui"
Busy, indeed ... doesnt have enough times to cover all ... :mrgreen: That's their "Reward" for training with us <wink-wink>!wow...
Post by: Leo Pui on November 04, 2010, 10:48:09 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
Quote from: "Leo Pui"Busy, indeed ... doesnt have enough times to cover all ... :mrgreen: That's their "Reward" for training with us <wink-wink>!wow... ;) :mrgreen:
Post by: zimbris on November 04, 2010, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: "Leo Pui"
Quote from: "zimbris"Quote from: "Leo Pui"Busy, indeed ... doesnt have enough times to cover all ... :mrgreen: That's their "Reward" for training with us <wink-wink>!wow... ;) :mrgreen: :tare:
Post by: Leo Pui on November 04, 2010, 11:10:39 AM
Quote from: "zimbris"
well, again.. ;)Thank You Zimnbris
Post by: Man Stopper on November 05, 2010, 08:14:38 AM
Post by: Leo Pui on November 05, 2010, 10:43:04 AM
Quote from: "Man Stopper"
Would like to see Viner in action he's a gun...!Check here ... http://http://www.canisa-zimbris.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=207&p=6289#p6289
Post by: Leo Pui on February 28, 2011, 09:55:20 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/nightwatchk9/NightWatch%20Working%20Service%20Dogs/Wisky_Nov2010.jpg)
Wisky is currently living with my friend on co-ownership :)
Post by: zimbris on February 28, 2011, 11:45:43 AM
Post by: Leo Pui on February 28, 2011, 08:25:01 PM
hey, nice teeth set over there :lol:;)