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Title: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Johnsk9 on June 22, 2010, 02:28:42 PM

Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR  "Very old Blood"

(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/video%20pups/ellie1.jpg)

(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/video%20pups/ellie4.jpg)

(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/video%20pups/Elli.jpg)

(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/video%20pups/Ellie.jpg)

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on June 22, 2010, 02:32:12 PM

oh man... I get the goose bumps just thinking of Ellie's pedigree..! This is rare, awesome blood, whoever knows the name Kiebitzmoor will know exactly what I mean!
Thanks for sharing this John!

oho.. mi se face pielea de gaina numai cand ma gandesc la pedigreeul lui Ellie..! Aici e vorba de sange rar si extraordinar, cine cunoaste numele Kiebitzmoor intelege intocmai ce vreau sa zic!
Multumim John!

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on June 22, 2010, 02:33:18 PM

Quote from: Johnsk9

Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR  "Very old Blood"


(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff299/johnsDDR/video%20pups/Elli.jpg)

I like this one    :)

asta imi place

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Johnsk9 on June 22, 2010, 02:40:30 PM

Quote from: "zimbris"

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Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR  "Very old Blood"

I like this one  

asta imi place

She is waiting in this photo There is another female with her
and the attack is near

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on June 22, 2010, 02:59:20 PM

Quote from: "Johnsk9"

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Quote from: "Johnsk9"

Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR  "Very old Blood"

I like this one   :D

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Man Stopper on June 22, 2010, 07:55:27 PM

She has those markings that seem to come from Neaumans Jim, and she i would guess have " Pele Kiebitzmoor" on her maternal side..
Nice size for a female and serious looking..

Are semnalmentele care aduc aminte de Neumann's Jim si banuiesc ca are Pele Kiebitzmoor pe partea mamei..
Dimensiuni frumoase pt o femela si o privire serioasa..

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on June 23, 2010, 01:57:47 AM

She definitely reminds me of the looks of the old type of GSD. When I say 'old type' I guess I mean the dogs from the 80's..

Categoric imi aduce aminte de aspectul CG-ului de tip vechi. Cand spun 'vechi' ma refer la cainii din anii '80

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on June 23, 2010, 02:40:07 AM

Quote from: "Man Stopper"

She has those markings that seem to come from Neaumans Jim, and she i would guess have " Pele Kiebitzmoor" on her maternal side..
Nice size for a female and serious looking..

Are semnalmentele care aduc aminte de Neumann's Jim si banuiesc ca are Pele Kiebitzmoor pe partea mamei..
Dimensiuni frumoase pt o femela si o privire serioasa..

You know who she's got on maternal side - Bodo!! That really good looking Bodo.......

Stii pe cine are pe partea mamei - Bodo!!

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Johnsk9 on June 23, 2010, 04:33:18 AM

Quote from: "Man Stopper"

She has those markings that seem to come from Neaumans Jim, and she i would guess have " Pele Kiebitzmoor" on her maternal side..
Nice size for a female and serious looking..

Are semnalmentele care aduc aminte de Neumann's Jim si banuiesc ca are Pele Kiebitzmoor pe partea mamei..
Dimensiuni frumoase pt o femela si o privire serioasa..

Pele sire was  Falko von der Buschecke Ellie sire Bronco (sire) ( Rimo vom Tannenberg) is a half brother to Pele they had the same mother

Tatal lui Pele (Kiebitzmoor) a fost Falko von der Buschecke, tatal lui Ellie a fost Bronco (Rimo v Tannenberg) frate vitreg cu Pele, aceeasi mama

Now Falko & Fran vom Ostschutz  have  Pele vom Kiebitzmoor in the bloodline.In fact i have 3 dogs with Pele in the blood. Pele vom Kiebitzmoor  ZPT 6446/44 Real hard DDR Male great to still have the Blood today

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on June 23, 2010, 05:15:51 AM

John, what sort of influence would you say the Kiebitzmoor dogs have had in today's GSD's..? I see a lot of names being mentioned out there, but not as much the Kiebitzmoor dogs.

John, ce influenta ai spune ca au avut cainii Kiebitzmoor in CG'ii moderni? Vad multe nume vehiculate pe net, dar mai putin cainii canisei Kiebitzmoor.

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Johnsk9 on June 23, 2010, 05:53:55 AM

Quote from: "zimbris"

John, what sort of influence would you say the Kiebitzmoor dogs have had in today's GSD's..? I see a lot of names being mentioned out there, but not as much the Kiebitzmoor dogs.

John, ce influenta ai spune ca au avut cainii Kiebitzmoor in CG'ii moderni? Vad multe nume vehiculate pe net, dar mai putin cainii canisei Kiebitzmoor.

If close in the gene pool of close line breeding i would say the hardness would show in some of the pups.
There are dogs today with the Kiebitzmoor but no influence.Today you would have to accumulate this
blood and start to line breed on this. And if you combine the correct genes you can see some influence
 I do not see any influence from Kiebitzmoor blood in falco or sisters not enought blood. But it does
show in Ellie& Enno

You see this applied today in the van Tiekerhook with mulitiple line breedings on Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich
& Yoschy von der Döllenwiese


Daca e vb de consangvinizare ceva mai stransa, as spune ca influenta consta in duritate ce apare la unii catei.
Exista caini in ziua de azi cu sange Kiebitzmoor dar care nu au o influenta anume. In zilele noastre trebuie sa 'strangi' astfel de sange si sa consangvinizezi ulterior. Iar daca faci combinatiile potrivite, poti vedea influenta buna. Nu vad asa multa influenta in Falco sau surorile lui, dar vad in schimb in Ellie si Enno.

Se pot vedea lucrurile astea in zilele noastre aplicate in programele de crestere van Tiekerhook, prin consangvinizari stranse pe fero si Yoschy.

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on June 23, 2010, 06:00:12 AM

Thank you John, it's good to know these things! Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're the only one, or part of the very few in the world, who have this blood..

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Johnsk9 on June 23, 2010, 06:09:11 AM

Quote from: "zimbris"

Thank you John, it's good to know these things! Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're the only one, or part of the very few in the world, who have this blood..

The Blood from Pele Kiebitzmoor can be found in some dogs today. It would be far back and limited some would have mixed blood
The Blood from Bronco Kiebitzmoor wound be  Very Very rare

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Man Stopper on June 23, 2010, 09:01:10 AM

Would Bronco throw more size , from Don von Rolandsteich ?
Just looking at Pele Sire line, has sharp and hard dogs Irko vom Brandenburger Damm is linebred on Ex Reidstern. They both scored a '3' on the fourth digit on there Kor rating... Sg Condor vom Haus Christian has Pele as his Maternal Grandsire, that interesting just noticed that.. Am a strong believer that the Maternal Grandire has strong influence on outcome of litter...

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Man Stopper on June 23, 2010, 09:13:45 AM

Quote from: "Man Stopper"

She has those markings that seem to come from Neaumans Jim, and she i would guess have " Pele Kiebitzmoor" on her maternal side..
Nice size for a female and serious looking..

Are semnalmentele care aduc aminte de Neumann's Jim si banuiesc ca are Pele Kiebitzmoor pe partea mamei..
Dimensiuni frumoase pt o femela si o privire serioasa..

.

Speaking of Neuamans Jim, i very much like the look of Isabella von der old Lady who is 3-3 on Jim.. Superb!!

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Johnsk9 on June 23, 2010, 09:29:09 AM

Both Pele & Bronco have good sire line. There are not many offspring around to compare.I know Pele was a very large male(Grey) and he has a real tuff son here(imported) Charly Vom Dreiangel-http://http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/518769.html
Normal size. Bronco had 1 son i seen small male.My Enno was 26-27" @ 6 months old
But my opinion is the females being bred to make the size and type difference at
least in the Pele - Bronco case

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Man Stopper on June 23, 2010, 09:49:38 AM

Notice Neuaman Jim daughter SG Gill von Den Hugenotten was only used to 2 particular stud dogs, especially SG+ Dux vom Haus Kading  Was this in order to do an outcross or would you say for other reasons... In comparison when mated to Don V Haus Iris, the litter was 4-3 on Don v Rolandsteich..
 Although with both litters there is plenty of Don and Jim influence, both in colour and SIZE !!!!

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Johnsk9 on June 23, 2010, 10:27:29 AM

Quote from: "Man Stopper"

Notice Neuaman Jim daughter SG Gill von Den Hugenotten was only used to 2 particular stud dogs, especially SG+ Dux vom Haus Kading  Was this in order to do an outcross or would you say for other reasons... In comparison when mated to Don V Haus Iris, the litter was 4-3 on Don v Rolandsteich..
 Although with both litters there is plenty of Don and Jim influence, both in colour and SIZE !!!!

Dux vom Haus Kading was used because she owned him.In that time most dogs were heavy line bred. My opinion that is why you seen so many of the same type.With a out cross or to continue to out cross you would lose the type. Many german people used dogs that were in  their village or very close by.Very few breeders would go any distance to use a stud.But it that time there were many ddr dogs.as compared to today

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on June 23, 2010, 10:51:01 AM

Guys thank you for keeping this one going, all this is valuable info. Thanks!

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Man Stopper on June 24, 2010, 06:42:34 AM

Thanks should be given to those who preserve the unique DDR dog, and John is definanently one of those few individuals who can give us an insight of classic DDR dogs..! Thanks Dani for your assistance and info you have provided in a short space of time, i think you should be next to get involved in the preservation of the DDR breed..

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on June 24, 2010, 09:47:10 AM

Hey man.. just trying to do something good for the breed, nothing more, nothing else..

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on December 19, 2010, 05:50:18 AM

John, when you have a spare moment, take a picture of Ellie and share it here would you.. she looks really really good, would love to see her again, one or even two more recent pictures...

John, cand ai timp, mai posteaza ceva poze recente cu Ellie, imi place f mult cateaua asta..

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on August 28, 2011, 09:34:38 PM

Ellie, August 2011, posibil cea mai frumoasa femela CG care am vazut-o pana in prezent si, cu un temperament EXCELENT! Voi posta ceva secvente video cand ajung acasa.

Ellie, August 2011, very likely the most beautiful GS bitch I've ever seen and with an excellent temperament! I will post some videos when I get home

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ByWEoefgyOQ/Tlm6ND96DCI/AAAAAAAACQQ/OtiNVY-Bx8E/s640/DSCN0156.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-esguoV2TEf8/Tlm6PlALIMI/AAAAAAAACQY/3lDxvbFni1g/s640/DSCN0158.JPG)

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Man Stopper on August 29, 2011, 09:05:36 AM

Very different in marking's on her face, also she must be a nasty girl, by the sounds of it..
Have to check out her lines again..

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on August 29, 2011, 11:40:53 AM

oh man I love that dog to bits! She is phenomenal! She looked impressive in pictures but boy is she something in real life! I had to keep my distance from the fence as i was filming, or else she was going to jump over and have me for dinner!

imi place la nebunie cateaua asta! este fenomenala! Arata impresionant in fotografii dar e si mai si "pe viu"! A trebuit sa-mi tin distanta fatza de gard altfel sarea si ma halea, dresorul de langa mine imi tot amintea sa nu ma apropiu prea mult. 

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Man Stopper on August 29, 2011, 07:08:47 PM

I wouldn't doubt that for a second..

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on September 09, 2011, 04:09:12 PM

Ellie, August 27. Cateaua neagra de langa ea - Fran v ostschutz, sora cu Hun, o catea groasa pe oase si f buna protectoare, John o iuneste la nebunie.

Ellie, August 27th. The black bitch next to her is Fran v Ostschutz, Hun's sister, a thick female with great protection attitude, John loves her to bits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEugD8w8ewY

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on September 09, 2011, 04:34:03 PM

...ca tot am pomenit-o pe Fran

Fran vom Ostschutz (un an si 5 luni)  (17 months old)
Indigo v Dalwigerholz X Venus von der Old lady

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GBXKR57VkI

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: fabius.m on September 09, 2011, 05:33:46 PM

e frumoasa, cealalta imi place mai mult, e mai mare decat Fran?

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: Man Stopper on September 09, 2011, 05:41:02 PM

Fran has good body language and displays very good confidence at the gates..
Nice balance of territorial /aggression..

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on September 09, 2011, 05:47:57 PM

Quote from: fabius.m on September 09, 2011, 05:33:46 PM

e frumoasa, cealalta imi place mai mult, e mai mare decat Fran?

da, cu vreo 2 ani, parca...

John, how old is Ellie?

Title: Re: Ellie vom Ostschutz DDR
Post by: zimbris on September 09, 2011, 05:49:16 PM

Quote from: Man Stopper on September 09, 2011, 05:41:02 PM

Fran has good body language and displays very good confidence at the gates..
Nice balance of territorial /aggression..

They don't have that "explosion" in expressing their guarding attitude, but they definitely have that suspicion towards strangers, which many, many modern GS dogs lack, even from some well appreciated czech bloodlines, I might add..
Yes John really likes Fran, she has that "no strangers allowed" look both in her eyes and body language