Post by: Man Stopper on January 18, 2010, 09:28:04 AM
From what i have read it is the the puppy that bight on ankles and hands constantly and cannot be touched easily..
Do you guys have have any knowledge from past experiences, something i have always been interested in, and wish i could have the chance to test dozens of litters to come to some form conclusion/result.. I chose my dog because he came first when called from the other 2 males.. Although when i brought him home he kept on bighting hands and ankles for the next few months, he was really
Post by: zimbris on January 18, 2010, 09:40:36 AM
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In puppy testing what signs would one look for if they were looking for a civil PPD type dog ??
From what i have read it is the the puppy that bight on ankles and hands constantly and cannot be touched easily..
Do you guys have have any knowledge from past experiences, something i have always been interested in, and wish i could have the chance to test dozens of litters to come to some form conclusion/result.. I chose my dog because he came first when called from the other 2 males.. Although when i brought him home he kept on bighting hands and ankles for the next few months, he was really :twisted:
Post by: zimbris on January 18, 2010, 09:45:51 AM
My first GSD, Ben, was not like that whatsoever but turned out to be an outstanding PPD dog, ever since the age of 10 weeks he naturally became very suspicious of those around me. He did not show much drive (sport type) much at all in the beginning. There was some kind of a switch in his mind somewhere, I guess, because he was a rather quiet dog who turned into a beast when the 'button was pressed'.
Post by: bobo70 on January 18, 2010, 11:45:52 PM
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In puppy testing what signs would one look for if they were looking for a civil PPD type dog ??I used in choosing puppy Campbell Test. I don t know how eficient is it.
From what i have read it is the the puppy that bight on ankles and hands constantly and cannot be touched easily..
Do you guys have have any knowledge from past experiences, something i have always been interested in, and wish i could have the chance to test dozens of litters to come to some form conclusion/result.. I chose my dog because he came first when called from the other 2 males.. Although when i brought him home he kept on bighting hands and ankles for the next few months, he was really
Post by: zimbris on January 19, 2010, 12:00:16 AM
Romana:
Eu personal, cand aleg un catel, caut semne de control de sine si incredere in sine. Asa am procedat cu Ben si nu am regretat. Cand m-am dus sa-l iau de la sectia de politie din Palazu Mare (in afara Constantei), cam asa l-am testat: Ben incerca sa mearga de la un punct catre altul, iar eu mi-am pozitionat piciorul in asa fel incat sa-i pun obstacol, sa vad ce face. El ar fi putut sa se opreasca sa se joace cu pantoful meu, sau sa se opreasca si sa astepte pana iau piciorul din drumul lui, sau pur si simplu sa se intoarca inapoi de unde a plecat (sa zicem punctul 'a') - ceea ce nu ar fi insemnat neaparat frica, ci suspiciune fata de mine. In schimb Ben a continuat sa incerce sa treaca fie peste pantoful meu, fie sa-l ocoleasca, iar intr-un final incepuse sa si vocifereze. Asta pt mine a insemnat 2 lucruri - determinare si incredere.
Post by: Man Stopper on January 27, 2010, 05:59:48 AM
The reason i mention this is that most dogs i feel show some kind of weakness when it comes to thunder and gun fire for example and was just wondering if this can be overcome with some early introduction of LOUD NOISES...
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2010, 07:55:15 AM
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Was thinking what if a very young pup, say 4 - 5 days old was exposed to loud noises from fire crackers to loud machinery until the age of 7 weeks... Would this be similar to the bio sensor stimulation, in strengthening nerves etc.... Or will it psycollogically scar the dog for life...????????
The reason i mention this is that most dogs i feel show some kind of weakness when it comes to thunder and gun fire for example and was just wondering if this can be overcome with some early introduction of LOUD NOISES...
Oh man... just lost a long post in response to this, due to internet disconnection... man that's annoying!!
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2010, 08:01:23 AM
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Was thinking what if a very young pup, say 4 - 5 days old was exposed to loud noises from fire crackers to loud machinery until the age of 7 weeks... Would this be similar to the bio sensor stimulation, in strengthening nerves etc.... Or will it psycollogically scar the dog for life...????????
The reason i mention this is that most dogs i feel show some kind of weakness when it comes to thunder and gun fire for example and was just wondering if this can be overcome with some early introduction of LOUD NOISES...
ManStopper spune:
Ma gandeam, daca ai expune zgomotelor tari, de genul celor produse de artificii sau cele produse de aparaturi mecanice, un catel f tanar, de ex. in varsta de 4 sau 5 zile, pana la varsta de 7 saptamani... ar fi asta asemanator procedurii de bio-stimulare, in privinta intaririi nervilor etc... Sau un astfel de lucru va speria catelul pt restul vietii lui..??????
Motivul pt care mentionez asta, este pt ca am impresia ca majoritatea cainilor dau dovada de o anume slabiciune atunci cand, de ex, fulgera / tuna, sau cand e vb de foc de arma si ma intrebam daca oare procedand la ce am spus mai sus ar rezolva problema asta.
Post by: zimbris on February 01, 2010, 08:06:13 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 07, 2010, 11:57:29 AM
Check out this DDR footage:
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Post by: bobo70 on February 08, 2010, 02:38:50 AM
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Bobo, uite un clip DDR, uita-te pana la final.
Check out this DDR footage:
Interesanta metoda de expunere la zgomote si situatii neobisnuite pentru pui.
Pacat ca nu inteleg nimic din ce povesteste nenea ala, eram curios daca trage si ceva concluzii.
Post by: Man Stopper on February 08, 2010, 04:33:02 AM
In clipul de mai sus se pare ca acei catelusi au 'ratat' testul cu zgomote, ei fugind intr-un colt la adapost. . desi au aratat un singur catel care-a ramas si a latrat.. mai sunt si alte teste pe care le putem aplica catelusilor nostri, in privinta zgomotelor, a curajului si sa vedem care e cel mai increzator in sine.. Voi va testati cateii prin pozitionarea lor pe spate (cu labutele in sus) sa vada daca acestia vor musca, despre care semn se spune ca indica potential pt paza / protectie. De asemenea daca ii iei in brate si ei incep sa muste, se spune ca de asemenea indica potential de paza / protectie. Pe ce criterii ar alege crescatorii experimentati, un catel pt cineva care doreste un caine bun de paza si protectie, aveti experienta asta, ce anume ar trebui sa arate un astfel de catel..???
Post by: zimbris on February 09, 2010, 07:09:32 AM
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With the noise testing of these puppys it looks like that they had failed, as they seem scared and stayed in the corner.. Although they showed a single pup that barked at the end of the clip.. Is there any different test we can do to puppys, for sound,courage and or see which is most confident.. Does anyone test puppy's on there back to see if they want to bite back, which apparently means that it has potential for security. And also if you pick them up they bite which is another sign for a good protection dog... How would the major breeders, choose a young pup for someone looking for a serious protction dog, does anyone have any experience on what a young pup should show....????
This is how I would do things and Happy will prove me right or wrong, with time.
I would personally look for clear signs of dominance, self condifence and active response when being challenged in any way at all. I want to add that I would not necesarily look for drive, a good protection dog doesn't have to be very drivey in my view. That's if you want a sport dog or if you favor lively animals (and you have the time fur such).
I think the clip shows the seriousness with which puppies were selected for work / future breeding. Also... seeking shelter when under pressure, in my non-professional opinion, doesn's always indicate fear, but sometime suspicion.
Ro
Cam cum as proceda eu in selectionare cateilor buni de paza:
Personal as cauta semne clare de dominare, incredere de sine si raspuns activ cand este 'amenintat' (in cazul unui catel - cand e 'atacat' de un frate sau sora de cuib, sa spunem..) Mai dauag ca nu as cauta in mod deosebit drive, un caine bun de paza nu inaseamna automat un caine plin de drive, in opinia mea. Cei cu drive sunt pt cei doritori sa participe in competitiile canine sau cei care pur si simplu prefera un caine mai plin de viata (iar asta presupune sa ai si timpul pt un asa caine).
Cred ca in clipul postat se arata seriozitatea cu care erau selectati cateii pt munca / crestere. Dar de asemenea, daca animalultul cauta sa se adaposteasca atunci cand se simte atacat, asta nu indica intotdeauna teama ci cate-o data, suspiciune. Asta cred eu.
Post by: Man Stopper on February 09, 2010, 09:25:30 AM
Excluding John who has much more experience and possibly can have a better reading of a young pup and its potential i would say..
Post by: zimbris on February 09, 2010, 09:54:52 AM
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Thats an interesting way of looking at it, that seeking shelter may indicate suspicion.. Can you brieflly explain on what kind of challenges would one test a young pup, besides brooms, pots and pan noises which seem to be common i have found..Its a bit of a tricky one to pin point and maybe it just might be the luck of the draw, for us non professional guys
Yes John would definitely have seen many litters of pups so he would quickly be on the spot.
As far as testing the pups, I can only mention what I do I guess. I would generally go for 2 major elements, putting some kind of obstacle before the pup and see how it deals with it, what's the level of resistance and determination. I also push gently the pup as if to say 'go away' and again, notice the response. If the response is a good one (the puppy tends to "fight back" by pulling back towards me) I gradually increase (in the follwoing days) the intensity of my push. Now, of course, that's just a (silly) way I am testing pups, I guess one can come up with different creative elements of pressure to test the puppy but I believe the basis for testing a pup is the 'pack' thinking (how it relates to you and the other pups in the litter). But you know, a good dog is easy to spot, I think you can't miss the overall confidence level (along with the body language signals).
Post by: Man Stopper on February 10, 2010, 11:09:06 AM
I mean how can we benifit from a dog for todays society and general purpose in this day and age.
We just need a dog for company and protection if i am wrong...It would be different for the army or government...
Ro
Ma uitam la niste clipuri video cu testari pt catei si ma intrebam daca este sau nu important testul cu arma de foc sau petarde...!
Vreau sa spun, cum putem beneficia de un caine in societatea moderna, in scopurile generale ale zilelor erei noastre.
Avem nevoie de un caine de companie so protectie daca ma insel... poate e diferit pt armata sau institutiile guvernamentale...
Post by: zimbris on February 11, 2010, 04:47:35 AM
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Was looking at some puppy testing videos, and was wondering is it important to test for gun shy or fire cracker testing...!
I mean how can we benifit from a dog for todays society and general purpose in this day and age.
We just need a dog for company and protection if i am wrong...It would be different for the army or government...
I personally believe we do need the gun or cracker testing, whether it's to do with dogs for the society purposes or personal protection or army etc.. In either case, you want dogs with healthy, stable nerves especially if these dogs will also have progenies!
personal cred ca este nevoie de testul cu arma de foc sau petarde, fie ca e vorba de cainele de copanie, protectie, armata etc.. in oricare din cazuri, este nevoie de un caine cu nervi puternici, stabili, mai ales daca se pune in vorba si reproducerea acestor caini!
Post by: Man Stopper on February 11, 2010, 09:30:13 AM
Post by: zimbris on February 11, 2010, 10:15:06 AM
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Your right Dani we must not breed sound sensitive dogs, as it is a trait which many dogs have.. I like the video clips and there different methods in training young pups for noise tollerance.. Will apply this type of training for my next dog in the future.. Wish i was in Europe or the States to get a better chance of getting a DDR/CZECH bloodline ..
What do you have in mind, what 'blood' are you going to pursue with your next pup..?
Ce planuri ai, ce sange ai in vedere cand te gandesti la viitorul tau catel?
Post by: Man Stopper on February 12, 2010, 10:30:07 PM
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What do you have in mind, what 'blood' are you going to pursue with your next pup..?
Well here in Australia we have a mixture of west and Czech dogs, and some kind of DDR lines, but nothing of 100% DDR combo..
So will carry on with Onyx line combined with some addition of working lines from local and international lines.. And then mate Onyx with daughter ( 1-2), via artificial insamination if all goes to plan.. But am happy with Onyx and his overall character, although would like to see atouch bigger version of him, between 25 - 26 inches.. You can assist us with some Nero semen
if the fee is not to much...
Post by: zimbris on February 13, 2010, 03:17:52 AM
Post by: Man Stopper on February 13, 2010, 05:44:50 AM
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How old is Onyx now?He is 8 years of age and i know that i might just of left it a bit late.
If this is the case then i shall use Onyx's, half brother "Oscar...( they share the same sire )
"Oscar is 5 years of age and has the same level of balanced defensive aggression and has bigger size body.
Oscar is 1-2 on his sire, (Max) who is the reason these dogs have this character (natural aggresetivity )...
Post by: zimbris on February 13, 2010, 12:17:46 PM
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He is 8 years of age and i know that i might just of left it a bit late.
If this is the case then i shall use Onyx's, half brother "Oscar...( they share the same sire )
"Oscar is 5 years of age and has the same level of balanced defensive aggression and has bigger size body.
Oscar is 1-2 on his sire, (Max) who is the reason these dogs have this character (natural aggresetivity )...
What good females are there 'in the area'? Did you get to see any of Osacr's progenies?
Post by: Man Stopper on February 13, 2010, 05:11:06 PM
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What good females are there 'in the area'? Did you get to see any of Osacr's progenies?Well i have a female who's on PDB - Zonkrulahous Iris, she is a nice stable female with plenty drive,good confirmation and size,with a nice pedigree.
As for Oscar he has not been used also,so cant say he's a good producer, although both Oscar and Onyx are heavily line bred over and over on well known dogs here.. These 2 dogs (Stobar Hardt and Security Pekiah)in particular have been kept by Von Forell as stored semen for nearly 2 decades, and in a sense gave Von Forell a reputation for producing security dogs, before he introduced overseas lines.. Eg; Gento v Haus Larwin, Kuran v Teikerhook And Asa v haus Gebbets to name a few.. These international dogs gave more prey drive and sport type behaviour, but not the balls and grunt of Stobar Hardt and Security Pekiah who are closely line bred on Ex Reidstern.
So have faith that Oscar fingers crossed, Onyx can throw some naturally aggressive dogs,well 1 or 2 atleast in a litter..
Post by: zimbris on February 15, 2010, 03:58:13 AM
Nu mai stiu daca te-am intrebat.. ai mai avut catei din Onix si daca da, unde ii putem vedea si noi..? Stobar Hardt e prezent insangele multor caini buni.
manstopper il are pe Onyx:
manstopper owns Onyx:
(http://http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/gallerypictures/27821.jpg)
(http://http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt155/zimbris/Onyx/OnyxHausOnyx.jpg)
Post by: zimbris on February 15, 2010, 04:52:38 AM
(http://http://lh5.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/S3fjtoPX9PI/AAAAAAAAA1Q/5NWVYB-UqIE/ONYX%20TERMINATOR.jpg)
Post by: Man Stopper on February 15, 2010, 07:54:15 AM
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I don't know if I asked you this before.. did Onyx have any progenies before, if yes, where can we have a look at them..? Stobar Hardt seems to be present in the blood of many good dogs.
No progenies of Onyx at all, tried once in 2008 but he didnt know what to do/not interested in a sense.. Then a year later tried to get collection and this was a nightmare for the vet and nurse,he became really wild when some stranger tried to jerk him off
There was a female on heat exactly on the 11th day,but he didnt care.. Its been only until recently that i feel that i must do something about restoring his bloodline but not with any female...Yes like i said dogs like Stobar Hardt and Security Pekiah were well known in Ausralia for producing some naturally sharp dogs,and there is stored semen at
Von Forell waiting to be used apparently to the right bitch..
Regalhaus Kennels has Security Lex semen for $10,000 and Lex is a Security Pekiah Son, you can view a Lex son on You Tube (Regalhaus Jet).. Similar type dogs at Regalhaus Kennels only bigger than Onyx,but still not as sharp as Onyx IMO..
Post by: Man Stopper on February 15, 2010, 08:01:15 AM
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Ohh... look what i found
(http://http://lh5.ggpht.com/_PCPQWfe45Mk/S3fjtoPX9PI/AAAAAAAAA1Q/5NWVYB-UqIE/ONYX%20TERMINATOR.jpg)
Dani thats some creativity there,very artistic i must say.. Picture tells a thousand words,but the title adds the cream on the cake...!!!!
Thanks so much for that, just freaking me out..!!!!
Post by: zimbris on February 15, 2010, 08:18:30 AM
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Dani thats some creativity there,very artistic i must say.. Picture tells a thousand words,but the title adds the cream on the cake...!!!!Just having a little bit of fun
Thanks so much for that, just freaking me out..!!!!
Post by: zimbris on February 15, 2010, 08:23:33 AM
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Quote from: "zimbris"I don't know if I asked you this before.. did Onyx have any progenies before, if yes, where can we have a look at them..? Stobar Hardt seems to be present in the blood of many good dogs.
No progenies of Onyx at all, tried once in 2008 but he didnt know what to do/not interested in a sense.. Then a year later tried to get collection and this was a nightmare for the vet and nurse,he became really wild when some stranger tried to jerk him off
Yes like i said dogs like Stobar Hardt and Security Pekiah were well known in Ausralia for producing some naturally sharp dogs,and there is stored semen at
Von Forell waiting to be used apparently to the right bitch..
Regalhaus Kennels has Security Lex semen for $10,000 and Lex is a Security Pekiah Son, you can view a Lex son on You Tube (Regalhaus Jet).. Similar type dogs at Regalhaus Kennels only bigger than Onyx,but still not as sharp as Onyx IMO..
It's good you're taking the blood aspects seriously. I would chose sharpness before size if it were by me...
I've seen the Regalhaus footage on youtube, I liked some of what I've seen.
Post by: guest on February 15, 2010, 08:25:10 AM
He's a beautiful dog and I would like to see more pictures with him.And check out this topic,I tried to explain better how to post pics, hoping that will help : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15&start=15#p562 (http://canisa-zimbris.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15&start=15#p562)
Post by: Man Stopper on February 16, 2010, 06:31:08 PM
My brother his into the computers and must have him help me and show i guess the basics of PC use...
Your dog looks like it has non stop energy and a happy look on its face...
Post by: guest on February 17, 2010, 03:21:55 AM
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Thara thanks again for your assistance and compliments of Onyx.. Have tried to follow your instructions but have not succeeded in working it out..
Oh, I'm so sorry. :)[/quote]
Thanks, she really is full of energy. On almost 8 years she has the energy of a dog at 2 or 3 years . As for happiness I hope that is at least as happy as I am with her.
Post by: kangdanlin on May 27, 2010, 09:33:55 AM
a preety nice clip about how to chose your dog
ps clipul asta mi-a dat o ideea despre unde sa filmez un clip /this clip just gave me a ideea about where to film a future clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f1333acCv8
Post by: zimbris on May 27, 2010, 11:01:34 AM
Post by: kangdanlin on May 27, 2010, 01:57:33 PM
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...ia sa vedem :)
Post by: zimbris on May 27, 2010, 02:01:12 PM